Ukraine..What's the Next Step?

You couldn’t captain the Love Boat with your takes .

Welcome to this side of our forum Spock.

Here we have the two sides of everything...

Nate with me as this cracker puts a bit of jive to the scene...

As I lay in my bunk 

Letting this blunt slowly burn out 

In an ash tray seeing the smoke ni joke trail and dance as the thing slowly subsided...

And the lingering subsided... Like so many before... This is a place to be banned  brother many came in acting like a foolsliwky they started to drool with the whiskey jug down to last chug just went off... And left with hands high in the air....

Lost the right to sign on permanently.

Yes bro try his is that place....they went in the final stand and lost their minds like blood was dripping from their behind ... Just went a became a fool crazy out of their mind...

Detox , sabanisk, and braish comes to mind, comes to mind but when you go back into all the threads there that same picture just a black silu to w changed arms high in the air ... Left blackened but bare.

So within this hallowed hall darkness becareful watch your step it's a trap like snap and poof you were gone like that old hee haw song where or where are you Tonight why did leave me here all alone thought I found true live she met another and poof she was gone....

Be aware ..... Not to scare be be for warned.

Because I do care of you and that 15 size tennis shoe....

Help is on the way, Canada sends it's Leopard 2 tank to Ukraine. 

Canadian Leopard 2 tanks prepared for journey to Ukraine

Let us go back in the archieves and see what the media reported.

Jan, 2014;

https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-protesters-occupy-government-buildings-075337566.html

Protesters on Friday seized a government building in the Ukrainian capital while also maintaining their siege of several governors' offices in the country's west, raising the pressure on the government.

After meeting with President Viktor Yanukovych for several hours late Thursday, opposition leaders told the crowds that he had promised to ensure the release of dozens of protesters detained after clashes with police, and stop further detentions. They urged the protesters to maintain a shaky truce following violent street battles in the capital, but were booed by demonstrators eager to resume clashes with police.

In Lviv, near the Polish border, some 450 kilometers (280 miles) west of Kiev, hundreds of activists burst into the office of the regional governor, Oleh Salo, a Yanukovych appointee, shouting "Revolution!" They forced a local governor to sign a resignation letter and remained in the building, refusing to let the workers in.

Interior Minister Vitali Zakharchenko issued a statement late Thursday guaranteeing that police would not take action against the large protest camp on Independence Square, known as the Maidan. He also urged police not to react to provocations.

NOT A COUP? PEACEFUL PROTESTS??

ALL ONE HAS TO DO IS TAKE THE TIME TO RESEARCH. 

APRIL, 2014;

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict

The White House is reported to be set on a new cold war policy with the aim of turning Russia into a "pariah state".

That might be more explicable if what is going on in eastern Ukraine now were not the mirror image of what took place in Kiev a couple of months ago. Then, it was armed protesters in Maidan Square seizing government buildings and demanding a change of government and constitution. US and European leaders championed the "masked militants" and denounced the elected government for its crackdown, just as they now back the unelected government's use of force against rebels occupying police stations and town halls in cities such as Slavyansk and Donetsk.

When the Ukrainian president was replaced by a US-selected administration, in an entirely unconstitutional takeover, politicians such as William Hague brazenly misled parliament about the legality of what had taken place: the imposition of a pro-western government on Russia's most neuralgic and politically divided neighbour.

After Crimeans voted overwhelmingly to join Russia, the bulk of the western media abandoned any hint of even-handed coverage. 

AND HERE WE ARE TODAY, WITHOUT A HINT OF EVEN- HANDED COVERAGE. 

"Russia's Deputy Prime Minister Marat Khusnullin explains the efforts Russian forces are taking to rebuild the city.

Putin's regime has touted the rebuilding efforts in Mariupol as evidence of its claim to be liberating Ukrainians from fascistic leaders."

Read that "Russian Propaganda" and Deja Vu, I've seen that type of talk before.

Interesting reading here; https://gordonhahn.com/2016/03/09/the-real-snipers-massacre-ukraine-february-2014-updatedrevised-working-paper/

"It was mostly a peaceful protest." 

No evidence supports Russian claim the west staged a coup to overthrow Ukraine government in 2014.  Actually, protests resulted from treason by the worst president in Ukraine history.  Over 8 million people participated in peaceful protests for civil rights and freedom.  Their goal was never power or profit.  Violent crackdowns by authorities to disperse unarmed crowds lead to over 100 protesters killed and thousands injured.   When bloodshed became too great, president fled to Russia before an 100% impeachment vote.  Later, parliament approved full amnesty for protesters.  Kyiv institute of sociology poll found most Ukrainians regard 2014 change of government as a popular revolution for dignity.  Not an illegal coup.

The world, oh really?

John Kirby says NO CEASE FIRE!! UNAACEPTABLE!!

So freaking stupid. Beyond belief. Zelensky has upped the penalty for desertion as many are forced to die as cannon fodder for the Biden Admin. 

In the end, if the smoke ever clears, Ukrainians will oust Zelensky and forever hate the United States. Mark these words.

@UNIMAN

 Cease firings are temporary & rarely if ever result in peace.

Who will monitor & maintain the peace during the cease fire? China? NATO? What happens when either side violates the cease fire.

What about humanitarian efforts during the period? Will they be allowed & who will provide their protection?

Cease fires require trust. How do you trust the nation that invaded your country?

In war the only person you trust is/are the person(s) next to you. You don't trust those in the towns or villages or any POW'S. You believe what you see not what your hear. Cease fires do not end the violence or change what has happened. You can't be lulled into thinking your opponent will play by the rules because there are no rules in war. 

You've said you are a history buff, so you know that desertion during war is signing your own death warrant.

When the smoke clears & it will definitely clear, it will take years for the psychological damage to heal for most. For some, there is no healing. I don't know how history will view Zelensky but I'm pretty sure Putin will be seen as the devil he is.

Factual, and well stated as usual 

Visiting China's President Xi Jinping has given Russian President Vladimir Putin a shot in the arm by saying "he was convinced Putin would have the support of the Russian people at next year's presidential election and commended his "strong leadership". These two dudes have shared similar goals, don't doubt about that. On the Xi's "12 points Ukraine peace proposals" are only full of Russian talking points.* 

*https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-64993665

How does Ron DeSantis category the Russian invasion of Ukraine as a "territorial dispute"? Doesn't it sound like the Russian propaganda or Xi's peace proposal?

@Europa

 Putin's visit to slavi ukraini the other day..... nice optics for him to travel to Ukraine in the middle of this savage war....why didn't a drone just drop a tactical munition on him while he was touring the city I wonder....

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/19/europe/putin-mariupol-visit-icc-intl-hnk/index.html

Don't forget, Xi Ping met with Zelensky while he was in town as well.... China, the world peace unifier 

This is the part where RDS starts to get called a Russian foreign agent and white supremist.....  conveniently forgetting the man's service to our Country and foreign deployment as JAG assigned during Iraq war.  Somewhere along the line though this Navy man was secretly brain washed and turned into a Chinese or Russian agent....  

Do you guys and gals know who ISN'T a member of the I.C.C.  ???  Come on, give you one good guess....  

......The UNITED STATES. 

The US has refused, since prior to the Iraq war, to sign on to be a member of the ICC tribunal.  

Is the US a member of the ICC? The US is not a state party to the Rome Statute. The US participated in the negotiations that led to the creation of the court. However, in 1998 the US was one of only seven countries - along with China, Iraq, Israel, Libya, Qatar, and Yemen - that voted against the Rome Statute.

Why you may ask does the USA not recognize ICC authority???  

Simple, because the USA is guilty of many of the actions that the ICC condems.  The USA would be guilty of war crimes, under ICC policy, during the Iraq War if this was the case..... so it is deemed not to be....  

https://www.npr.org/2022/04/16/1093212495/the-u-s-does-not-recognize-the-jurisdiction-of-the-international-criminal-court

Contrast to China's Xi who is visiting Russia and gives Putin a big boost, Japan's Prime Minister Fumio Kishida has arrived in Kyiv and stands with the Ukrainians. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2023/03/21/japanese-prime-minister-kishida-makes-surprise-visit-to-kyiv-after-putin-hosts-chinas-xi-in-moscow/?sh=2ef6a2a15162

@Europa

 "contrast to China's Xi who is visiting Russia and gives Putin a big boost"

What is this??  So China's Xi visited Zelenksky too.....does Zelensky not get a "big boost" from his visit?  

How do you completely ignore one move and not the other?  

Looks like the meeting was postponed....probably due to the US of A making a call to little Z telling him he was making a boo boo.... 

5 hr 21 min ago

From CNN’s Matthew Chance

A senior Ukrainian official told CNN Tuesday that discussions are underway with China to organize a call between the Chinese leader Xi Jinping and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to discuss Beijing’s proposal for a peace plan for Ukraine. 

If the conversation does happen, it would be the first to take place between the two leaders. But the senior Ukrainian official added that “nothing concrete has been scheduled.” 

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-03-21-23/index.html

They share some common traits in political ideology for sure, and angst against western democracies is one biggie.

Second batch of Leopard II tanks sent to Ukraine by Canadian Armed Forces

Good to see that many Canadians have posted positive comments in supporting the shipment of more Canadian Leopard II tanks to Ukraine. 

Canadians like Kelly and Fupa have supported sending their Countries tens of tanks repeatedly in this sub forum.... better to use them in War than out in their own streets against their fellow countryman farmers..... 

good to see international support against  fascist terrorism  

and recently norway announced significantly more shipments of arms to support ukraine in its defense against fascism

Exactly.