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    Viktor Bout for Brittney Griner

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    MrWhatsItToYa
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2022 - 12:28 PM ET #51

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    As for Grinier. Last July she protested the national anthem.   Her statement a year ago. “I’m going to protest regardless. I’m not going to be out there for the national anthem,” she said. “If the league continues to want to play it, that’s fine. It will be all season long, I’ll not be out there. I feel like more are going to probably do the same thing. I can only speak for myself.” Now facing 9 years in the gulag system which is a life sentence. She cherishes the Fourth of July. Her dad fought in the Vietnam War… B.G. loves that and so she cherishes this holiday, and she uses it as a day to honor his service and freedom, so I know that it’s killing her that she wasn’t able to do her annual fireworks show and put chairs on the lawn for all of us to sit down and really give him the respect due,” she added. Gulag system is an institution of forced labor camps .  Survival of a term of more than 10 years is less than 1% chance for an american. So you all condoning a death by forced labor sentence for less than a gram of hemp oil......
    Ya but nature it don't matter if I condone it or not,that's irrelevant also.I don't,and Griner don't,and Biden don't,make the laws in other countries,we don't get to decide what other countries laws should be.There's probably a sh*tload of American's still in American prisons for marijuana offenses.And who knows how many Americans are in jail around the globe for the same kind of crimes.How does someone specify that Griner should go free,while every other person in prisons around the world for the same offences,has to do their time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    As for Grinier. Last July she protested the national anthem.   Her statement a year ago. “I’m going to protest regardless. I’m not going to be out there for the national anthem,” she said. “If the league continues to want to play it, that’s fine. It will be all season long, I’ll not be out there. I feel like more are going to probably do the same thing. I can only speak for myself.” Now facing 9 years in the gulag system which is a life sentence. She cherishes the Fourth of July. Her dad fought in the Vietnam War… B.G. loves that and so she cherishes this holiday, and she uses it as a day to honor his service and freedom, so I know that it’s killing her that she wasn’t able to do her annual fireworks show and put chairs on the lawn for all of us to sit down and really give him the respect due,” she added. Gulag system is an institution of forced labor camps .  Survival of a term of more than 10 years is less than 1% chance for an american. So you all condoning a death by forced labor sentence for less than a gram of hemp oil......
    Ya but nature it don't matter if I condone it or not,that's irrelevant also.I don't,and Griner don't,and Biden don't,make the laws in other countries,we don't get to decide what other countries laws should be.There's probably a sh*tload of American's still in American prisons for marijuana offenses.And who knows how many Americans are in jail around the globe for the same kind of crimes.How does someone specify that Griner should go free,while every other person in prisons around the world for the same offences,has to do their time.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2022 - 12:39 PM ET #52

    Mr whatsittoyou .. she plays basketball  over there for some years now.  She knew what she was doing.  A person has to respect the countries laws that they are in.  American law is not global.

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    Mr whatsittoyou .. she plays basketball  over there for some years now.  She knew what she was doing.  A person has to respect the countries laws that they are in.  American law is not global.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2022 - 12:57 PM ET #53

    Ok so if they keep the Anna and we get back the Marine.....

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    Ok so if they keep the Anna and we get back the Marine.....

     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2022 - 12:59 PM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    Mr whatsittoyou .. she plays basketball  over there for some years now.  She knew what she was doing.  A person has to respect the countries laws that they are in.  American law is not global.
    Even that don't really matter as far as her having played there for years.If it was her 1st time there,or even if she just went there for a quick vacation.Like you said,you have to obey other countries laws.And even American laws,I'm not positive but there might be some states that still don't allow a person to even have marijuana for medical reasons.A lot of the problem is some people don't feel they have to follow laws,I'd be willing to bet she will worry about laws from now on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    Mr whatsittoyou .. she plays basketball  over there for some years now.  She knew what she was doing.  A person has to respect the countries laws that they are in.  American law is not global.
    Even that don't really matter as far as her having played there for years.If it was her 1st time there,or even if she just went there for a quick vacation.Like you said,you have to obey other countries laws.And even American laws,I'm not positive but there might be some states that still don't allow a person to even have marijuana for medical reasons.A lot of the problem is some people don't feel they have to follow laws,I'd be willing to bet she will worry about laws from now on.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2022 - 3:03 PM ET #55

    Agree completely with you

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    Agree completely with you

     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2022 - 8:14 PM ET #56

    Ok.

     

    Anything less than 6 grams of cannabis can result in a fine or “corrective labor.”

    and not subject to incarceration.

    That's Russian law but because she an american she gets 9 years...?

    This is how it is usually handked.

    The police presented him with a choice — pay a bribe or face being charged under the notorious Article 228 for drug-related crimes.

    “They told me they would charge me with possession of 7 grams of marijuana and open a criminal case against me, even though I had much less on me. It would have been the end of my university career and possibly my future,” he said.

    Possession of up to 6 grams of the drug is an administrative offense, while anything over that is a criminal offense. Denis paid the 70,000 ruble ($1,088) bribe.

    Source https://www.themoscowtimes.com

    I am sure she has done some soul searching and wishes to be american afterall....

     

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    Ok.

     

    Anything less than 6 grams of cannabis can result in a fine or “corrective labor.”

    and not subject to incarceration.

    That's Russian law but because she an american she gets 9 years...?

    This is how it is usually handked.

    The police presented him with a choice — pay a bribe or face being charged under the notorious Article 228 for drug-related crimes.

    “They told me they would charge me with possession of 7 grams of marijuana and open a criminal case against me, even though I had much less on me. It would have been the end of my university career and possibly my future,” he said.

    Possession of up to 6 grams of the drug is an administrative offense, while anything over that is a criminal offense. Denis paid the 70,000 ruble ($1,088) bribe.

    Source https://www.themoscowtimes.com

    I am sure she has done some soul searching and wishes to be american afterall....

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2022 - 9:15 PM ET #57

    So we get a marine who was convicted of espionage who has done three years and ok throw in the basketball player too.. We take her.. 

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    So we get a marine who was convicted of espionage who has done three years and ok throw in the basketball player too.. We take her.. 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2022 - 6:02 AM ET #58

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Do you guys think Joe Biden is doing a good job negotiating here?

    I call on Russia to release her immediately so she can be with her wife, loved ones, friends, and teammates,” Biden said, adding that he would continue to work to bring home Griner and Paul Whelan, an American imprisoned in Russia on an espionage conviction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Do you guys think Joe Biden is doing a good job negotiating here?

    I call on Russia to release her immediately so she can be with her wife, loved ones, friends, and teammates,” Biden said, adding that he would continue to work to bring home Griner and Paul Whelan, an American imprisoned in Russia on an espionage conviction.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2022 - 5:04 PM ET #59

    She is happy now.  This is the place where she always wanted to live.  Good for her, her dream is now a reality.  

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    She is happy now.  This is the place where she always wanted to live.  Good for her, her dream is now a reality.  

     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2022 - 6:47 PM ET #60

    So there are like 60 other citizens of the United States being detained, what makes Griner more important than them? Because Democrats believe in a justice system for them and one for others. Same hypocrisy regarding guns and literally everything they stand for. There was a story where the guy is being held in, I think it was Iran, for doing nothing but speaking out against the government leaders. He'll be in prison for 20 years then a 20 year ban from coming to the country, if he lives through his incarceration. Why is Griner more important than him? confused

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    So there are like 60 other citizens of the United States being detained, what makes Griner more important than them? Because Democrats believe in a justice system for them and one for others. Same hypocrisy regarding guns and literally everything they stand for. There was a story where the guy is being held in, I think it was Iran, for doing nothing but speaking out against the government leaders. He'll be in prison for 20 years then a 20 year ban from coming to the country, if he lives through his incarceration. Why is Griner more important than him? confused

     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2022 - 6:59 PM ET #61

    Then negotiate for their release. 

    If it comes to it take our citizens back.

    Kill anyone in the way. 

    Then deny everything ....

    So how many did the traitor free....

    0. Lets see if Biden can make it happen for 2.

    Bill r

    Clinton.retired was able to remove two from north Korea....

    Republicans run their mouths and do nothing but be little Karen's in the balcony.

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    Then negotiate for their release. 

    If it comes to it take our citizens back.

    Kill anyone in the way. 

    Then deny everything ....

    So how many did the traitor free....

    0. Lets see if Biden can make it happen for 2.

    Bill r

    Clinton.retired was able to remove two from north Korea....

    Republicans run their mouths and do nothing but be little Karen's in the balcony.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2022 - 7:58 PM ET #62

    Do you ever have any idea what you’re talking about or do you just talk? 

    How many jailed Americans overseas did Trump get released? 

    an_popcorn

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    Do you ever have any idea what you’re talking about or do you just talk? 

    How many jailed Americans overseas did Trump get released? 

    an_popcorn

     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2022 - 8:12 PM ET #63

    ??? 

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    ??? 

     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2022 - 9:05 PM ET #64

    Paul Whelan was captured in 2018.

    So where was your traitor pal on that?

    Was he golfing or making kissy faces with Kim Un 

    Or was he applauding Putin and what a wonderful job he was doing????

    Because the Marine has done 1300 days confined in Russia...

    Oh yeah dumphr  hero's don't get caught....

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    Paul Whelan was captured in 2018.

    So where was your traitor pal on that?

    Was he golfing or making kissy faces with Kim Un 

    Or was he applauding Putin and what a wonderful job he was doing????

    Because the Marine has done 1300 days confined in Russia...

    Oh yeah dumphr  hero's don't get caught....

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