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    Wendy's Franchisee Slashes Employee Hours To Sidestep Obamacare

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    I actually think it would benefit America as a whole of fast food combo meals cost $15. People would eat less of them and hopefully turn to fruits and vegetables as an alternative.

    I do agree that fast food work should be for students, however that is not always the case.
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    I actually think it would benefit America as a whole of fast food combo meals cost $15. People would eat less of them and hopefully turn to fruits and vegetables as an alternative.

    I do agree that fast food work should be for students, however that is not always the case.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:

    I actually think it would benefit America as a whole of fast food combo meals cost $15. People would eat less of them and hopefully turn to fruits and vegetables as an alternative.


    I do agree that fast food work should be for students, however that is not always the case.

    I agree but this is a hard thing for people to wrap their minds around.

    Do you remember the push back by most on this forum when the issue of NYC banning the ability to purchase large volumes (forget what it was) of soda in effort to fight against obesity? Everybody got mad because it is the government taking away their rights.

    But if you think about it increasing the cost of fast food meals to deter people is essentially the same thing. 


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:

    I actually think it would benefit America as a whole of fast food combo meals cost $15. People would eat less of them and hopefully turn to fruits and vegetables as an alternative.


    I do agree that fast food work should be for students, however that is not always the case.

    I agree but this is a hard thing for people to wrap their minds around.

    Do you remember the push back by most on this forum when the issue of NYC banning the ability to purchase large volumes (forget what it was) of soda in effort to fight against obesity? Everybody got mad because it is the government taking away their rights.

    But if you think about it increasing the cost of fast food meals to deter people is essentially the same thing. 


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:

    I actually think it would benefit America as a whole of fast food combo meals cost $15. People would eat less of them and hopefully turn to fruits and vegetables as an alternative.

    I do agree that fast food work should be for students, however that is not always the case.


    Except there are several people that eat at fast food places sparingly and never gain an ounce. What do you have for those people that are responsible?

    Why is it that people like me are the only crusaders for responsible people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:

    I actually think it would benefit America as a whole of fast food combo meals cost $15. People would eat less of them and hopefully turn to fruits and vegetables as an alternative.

    I do agree that fast food work should be for students, however that is not always the case.


    Except there are several people that eat at fast food places sparingly and never gain an ounce. What do you have for those people that are responsible?

    Why is it that people like me are the only crusaders for responsible people?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2013 - 12:43 PM ET #29

    Ktrain.

    I'm also pretty sure there are many, many jobs related to fast food joints that you would like to see shut down. Also, pretty sure that would shake up the job dynamic significantly.
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    Ktrain.

    I'm also pretty sure there are many, many jobs related to fast food joints that you would like to see shut down. Also, pretty sure that would shake up the job dynamic significantly.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2013 - 12:51 PM ET #30

    I see where you guys are going.

    But let's not stop there.

    If the govt is going to be in our wallets and kitchen why not have them in our bedrooms too.

    Let's raise the price of KY and deter certain sexual acts?



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    I see where you guys are going.

    But let's not stop there.

    If the govt is going to be in our wallets and kitchen why not have them in our bedrooms too.

    Let's raise the price of KY and deter certain sexual acts?



     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2013 - 1:00 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by canovsp:

    I see where you guys are going.

    But let's not stop there.

    If the govt is going to be in our wallets and kitchen why not have them in our bedrooms too.

    Let's raise the price of KY and deter certain sexual acts?




    I know. And I get your point. It is obviously a very slippery slope. I am not exactly advocating for those measures (the soda and fast food tax etc...) but I also would not necessarily be opposed to them.

    The difference is that there is a MAJOR public health concern related to obesity that is escalating to epidemic proportions. Ideal scenario is for people to police themselves but... 
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    Quote Originally Posted by canovsp:

    I see where you guys are going.

    But let's not stop there.

    If the govt is going to be in our wallets and kitchen why not have them in our bedrooms too.

    Let's raise the price of KY and deter certain sexual acts?




    I know. And I get your point. It is obviously a very slippery slope. I am not exactly advocating for those measures (the soda and fast food tax etc...) but I also would not necessarily be opposed to them.

    The difference is that there is a MAJOR public health concern related to obesity that is escalating to epidemic proportions. Ideal scenario is for people to police themselves but... 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2013 - 1:52 PM ET #32

    What good is a health plan that costs 200 per month and has a $5000 deductible anyway?


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    What good is a health plan that costs 200 per month and has a $5000 deductible anyway?


     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2013 - 3:17 PM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:

    Ktrain.

    I'm also pretty sure there are many, many jobs related to fast food joints that you would like to see shut down. Also, pretty sure that would shake up the job dynamic significantly.

    Where you have a job loss in the fast food sector you could see a job gained in agriculture. Faster, quicker, easier isn't always the better choice...especially when it comes to food. 


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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:

    Ktrain.

    I'm also pretty sure there are many, many jobs related to fast food joints that you would like to see shut down. Also, pretty sure that would shake up the job dynamic significantly.

    Where you have a job loss in the fast food sector you could see a job gained in agriculture. Faster, quicker, easier isn't always the better choice...especially when it comes to food. 


     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2013 - 3:19 PM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:


    I agree but this is a hard thing for people to wrap their minds around.

    Do you remember the push back by most on this forum when the issue of NYC banning the ability to purchase large volumes (forget what it was) of soda in effort to fight against obesity? Everybody got mad because it is the government taking away their rights.

    But if you think about it increasing the cost of fast food meals to deter people is essentially the same thing. 



    There is definitely a fine line between educating people on what is in their best interests health wise and forcing or taking away people's choices. I'm not for forcing people to do things like give up monster soda's and fast food but if it does start affecting other people then it should be taken into consideration. If it starts affecting the health costs of everyone as a whole because heart disease and diabetes cases skyrockets then something should be done to address it. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:


    I agree but this is a hard thing for people to wrap their minds around.

    Do you remember the push back by most on this forum when the issue of NYC banning the ability to purchase large volumes (forget what it was) of soda in effort to fight against obesity? Everybody got mad because it is the government taking away their rights.

    But if you think about it increasing the cost of fast food meals to deter people is essentially the same thing. 



    There is definitely a fine line between educating people on what is in their best interests health wise and forcing or taking away people's choices. I'm not for forcing people to do things like give up monster soda's and fast food but if it does start affecting other people then it should be taken into consideration. If it starts affecting the health costs of everyone as a whole because heart disease and diabetes cases skyrockets then something should be done to address it. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:



    Except there are several people that eat at fast food places sparingly and never gain an ounce. What do you have for those people that are responsible?

    Why is it that people like me are the only crusaders for responsible people?


    Who would these responsible people be? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:



    Except there are several people that eat at fast food places sparingly and never gain an ounce. What do you have for those people that are responsible?

    Why is it that people like me are the only crusaders for responsible people?


    Who would these responsible people be? 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:


    Where you have a job loss in the fast food sector you could see a job gained in agriculture. Faster, quicker, easier isn't always the better choice...especially when it comes to food. 




    Wait a minute. Agriculture jobs are for the illegal immigrants we turn a blind eye to. You can't take those jobs away. College and high school students will not do that type of work.

    You have to think things through more thoroughly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:


    Where you have a job loss in the fast food sector you could see a job gained in agriculture. Faster, quicker, easier isn't always the better choice...especially when it comes to food. 




    Wait a minute. Agriculture jobs are for the illegal immigrants we turn a blind eye to. You can't take those jobs away. College and high school students will not do that type of work.

    You have to think things through more thoroughly.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:



    Who would these responsible people be? 


    People that don't rely on Taca Bell and Wendys for everyday nutrition. Surely you don't think everyone is obese.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:



    Who would these responsible people be? 


    People that don't rely on Taca Bell and Wendys for everyday nutrition. Surely you don't think everyone is obese.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:


    There is definitely a fine line between educating people on what is in their best interests health wise and forcing or taking away people's choices. I'm not for forcing people to do things like give up monster soda's and fast food but if it does start affecting other people then it should be taken into consideration. If it starts affecting the health costs of everyone as a whole because heart disease and diabetes cases skyrockets then something should be done to address it. 



    Once again, punish everyone for offenses committed by others.

    I hope you never get into politics my good man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:


    There is definitely a fine line between educating people on what is in their best interests health wise and forcing or taking away people's choices. I'm not for forcing people to do things like give up monster soda's and fast food but if it does start affecting other people then it should be taken into consideration. If it starts affecting the health costs of everyone as a whole because heart disease and diabetes cases skyrockets then something should be done to address it. 



    Once again, punish everyone for offenses committed by others.

    I hope you never get into politics my good man.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2013 - 4:23 PM ET #39

    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:



    People that don't rely on Taca Bell and Wendys for everyday nutrition. Surely you don't think everyone is obese.

    ~36% of US adults are obese
    ~ 66% of US adults are overweight and / or obese 

    more of an issue than people think

    and these numbers are projected to go way up in the coming years / decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:



    People that don't rely on Taca Bell and Wendys for everyday nutrition. Surely you don't think everyone is obese.

    ~36% of US adults are obese
    ~ 66% of US adults are overweight and / or obese 

    more of an issue than people think

    and these numbers are projected to go way up in the coming years / decades.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2013 - 4:24 PM ET #40

    Since Obamacare must  fit into flawed healthcare system, the private sector can still leave many Americans uninsured.  Employers cannot be expected to be as reliable as governments in providing universal coverage of citizens as in other countries.

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    Since Obamacare must  fit into flawed healthcare system, the private sector can still leave many Americans uninsured.  Employers cannot be expected to be as reliable as governments in providing universal coverage of citizens as in other countries.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:



    People that don't rely on Taca Bell and Wendys for everyday nutrition. Surely you don't think everyone is obese.

    I think people would be surprised when they find out what goes into their daily diets, aside from fast food. Even general processed food from a grocery store is destroying our health as a society. 

    As Mattbrot pointed out in a previous post, obesity is becoming an epidemic in our country. I'm starting to fall into that category as well so I am guilty of this too. 
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    People that don't rely on Taca Bell and Wendys for everyday nutrition. Surely you don't think everyone is obese.

    I think people would be surprised when they find out what goes into their daily diets, aside from fast food. Even general processed food from a grocery store is destroying our health as a society. 

    As Mattbrot pointed out in a previous post, obesity is becoming an epidemic in our country. I'm starting to fall into that category as well so I am guilty of this too. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:



    Wait a minute. Agriculture jobs are for the illegal immigrants we turn a blind eye to. You can't take those jobs away. College and high school students will not do that type of work.

    You have to think things through more thoroughly.

    I think that people are becoming more aware of the need for sustainable agriculture and the need for organic, polycultural farming. Hopefully the rate at which people learn about their food and what it does to them increases. With people like Michael Pollan, Jaime Oliver, and Joel Salatin promoting this type of eating/living hopefully more farms will sprout up and provide more nutritious food. Eating local would benefit the local economies as well, in turn, creating more jobs (ideally). This could lead to lower health care costs because people won't need to see doctors and rely on prescription drugs as frequently due to preventable diseases. 

    Every job eliminated in fast food could result in a job in agriculture, small, nutritious friendly restaurants, and education into polycultural agriculture. 

    Or we can save money on our combo meals and pay for it later with doctors visits or prescription meds. 

    I feel like we have gotten of track from the OP though. I'll let you take it from here. 

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    Wait a minute. Agriculture jobs are for the illegal immigrants we turn a blind eye to. You can't take those jobs away. College and high school students will not do that type of work.

    You have to think things through more thoroughly.

    I think that people are becoming more aware of the need for sustainable agriculture and the need for organic, polycultural farming. Hopefully the rate at which people learn about their food and what it does to them increases. With people like Michael Pollan, Jaime Oliver, and Joel Salatin promoting this type of eating/living hopefully more farms will sprout up and provide more nutritious food. Eating local would benefit the local economies as well, in turn, creating more jobs (ideally). This could lead to lower health care costs because people won't need to see doctors and rely on prescription drugs as frequently due to preventable diseases. 

    Every job eliminated in fast food could result in a job in agriculture, small, nutritious friendly restaurants, and education into polycultural agriculture. 

    Or we can save money on our combo meals and pay for it later with doctors visits or prescription meds. 

    I feel like we have gotten of track from the OP though. I'll let you take it from here. 

     
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    Once again, punish everyone for offenses committed by others.

    I hope you never get into politics my good man.

    This is what you took away from that statement? I just I don't want to force things on people or take away things but when it starts to infringe on other members of society something should be done. 

    I don't think seat belts should be mandatory and I think the speed limits should be raised as well. I understand why those laws are in place though. 


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    Once again, punish everyone for offenses committed by others.

    I hope you never get into politics my good man.

    This is what you took away from that statement? I just I don't want to force things on people or take away things but when it starts to infringe on other members of society something should be done. 

    I don't think seat belts should be mandatory and I think the speed limits should be raised as well. I understand why those laws are in place though. 


     
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    Instead of the conversation being about how unaffordable Obamacare is to small business owners to make a profit, the conversation turned into we have an obese nation that shouldn't eat at fast food restaurants........   Fascinating !!!

     

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    Instead of the conversation being about how unaffordable Obamacare is to small business owners to make a profit, the conversation turned into we have an obese nation that shouldn't eat at fast food restaurants........   Fascinating !!!

     

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    Obamacare is not why healthcare is too expensive or why it has outpaced general inflation for a VERY long time.


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    Obamacare is not why healthcare is too expensive or why it has outpaced general inflation for a VERY long time.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrontRowCenter:

    Instead of the conversation being about how unaffordable Obamacare is to small business owners to make a profit, the conversation turned into we have an obese nation that shouldn't eat at fast food restaurants........   Fascinating !!!

     

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    not the first or last time that a thread on covers will take a turn. But believe it or not the two issues are related even if just on a peripheral level.  
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    Instead of the conversation being about how unaffordable Obamacare is to small business owners to make a profit, the conversation turned into we have an obese nation that shouldn't eat at fast food restaurants........   Fascinating !!!

     

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    not the first or last time that a thread on covers will take a turn. But believe it or not the two issues are related even if just on a peripheral level.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrontRowCenter:

    Instead of the conversation being about how unaffordable Obamacare is to small business owners to make a profit, the conversation turned into we have an obese nation that shouldn't eat at fast food restaurants........   Fascinating !!!

    The penalty on businesses for not paying insurance under Obamacare may actually be less than what businesses have been paying for employee insurance the last few years. Insurance prices are ridiculous, partly because of all the uninsured fat people who eat at places like Wendy's, have heart attacks and then don't pay their freaking emergency room bills.

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    Instead of the conversation being about how unaffordable Obamacare is to small business owners to make a profit, the conversation turned into we have an obese nation that shouldn't eat at fast food restaurants........   Fascinating !!!

    The penalty on businesses for not paying insurance under Obamacare may actually be less than what businesses have been paying for employee insurance the last few years. Insurance prices are ridiculous, partly because of all the uninsured fat people who eat at places like Wendy's, have heart attacks and then don't pay their freaking emergency room bills.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by UberDog:

    The penalty on businesses for not paying insurance under Obamacare may actually be less than what businesses have been paying for employee insurance the last few years. Insurance prices are ridiculous, partly because of all the uninsured fat people who eat at places like Wendy's, have heart attacks and then don't pay their freaking emergency room bills.


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    The penalty on businesses for not paying insurance under Obamacare may actually be less than what businesses have been paying for employee insurance the last few years. Insurance prices are ridiculous, partly because of all the uninsured fat people who eat at places like Wendy's, have heart attacks and then don't pay their freaking emergency room bills.


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    I think alot of you guys don't have a good grasp on the relationship between health insurance and Health care true costs.

    If 80% of Americans didn't have health insurance would prices be lower or higher in general?

    I promise you that it will not lower health care costs to have more people being insured.

    I can also promise you that the goobemint will constantly have to search for more ways to tax us to pay for this free healthcare for all.

    Like I said earlier...you can't get any bang for your buck with insurance plans when you have to pay $3,000 per year for a policy with a $5000 deductible. The only way for it to be worthwhile is if you have a bad illness or accident. Most people don't have those problems.

    The only real way to make ground on health care costs are to severely limit lawsuits on Doctors and give them extensive, but limited, tax breaks to treat uninsured patients.

     

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    I think alot of you guys don't have a good grasp on the relationship between health insurance and Health care true costs.

    If 80% of Americans didn't have health insurance would prices be lower or higher in general?

    I promise you that it will not lower health care costs to have more people being insured.

    I can also promise you that the goobemint will constantly have to search for more ways to tax us to pay for this free healthcare for all.

    Like I said earlier...you can't get any bang for your buck with insurance plans when you have to pay $3,000 per year for a policy with a $5000 deductible. The only way for it to be worthwhile is if you have a bad illness or accident. Most people don't have those problems.

    The only real way to make ground on health care costs are to severely limit lawsuits on Doctors and give them extensive, but limited, tax breaks to treat uninsured patients.

     

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by UberDog:

    The penalty on businesses for not paying insurance under Obamacare may actually be less than what businesses have been paying for employee insurance the last few years. Insurance prices are ridiculous, partly because of all the uninsured fat people who eat at places like Wendy's, have heart attacks and then don't pay their freaking emergency room bills.


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    The penalty on businesses for not paying insurance under Obamacare may actually be less than what businesses have been paying for employee insurance the last few years. Insurance prices are ridiculous, partly because of all the uninsured fat people who eat at places like Wendy's, have heart attacks and then don't pay their freaking emergency room bills.


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