Seniors and low income are the hardest hit group by this GOP replacement plan. Seniors have voted for Trump more than for Hillary on top of low income Trump base from the red States.
I know. I think it's ironic. People usually need to learn lessons the hard way so I suspect this will end up having a positive effect in the long run. I don't bother listening to anyone who actually trusts Trump. That individual is a fool and doesn't have a sense of reality. Why am I not questioning the CBO? Probably because I believe their actuaries are no different than any others who crunch and analyze the numbers. How exactly do you think they came to their assessment? You think they threw darts and guessed?
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Quote Originally Posted by Europa:
Seniors and low income are the hardest hit group by this GOP replacement plan. Seniors have voted for Trump more than for Hillary on top of low income Trump base from the red States.
I know. I think it's ironic. People usually need to learn lessons the hard way so I suspect this will end up having a positive effect in the long run. I don't bother listening to anyone who actually trusts Trump. That individual is a fool and doesn't have a sense of reality. Why am I not questioning the CBO? Probably because I believe their actuaries are no different than any others who crunch and analyze the numbers. How exactly do you think they came to their assessment? You think they threw darts and guessed?
I know. I think it's ironic. People usually need to learn lessons the hard way so I suspect this will end up having a positive effect in the long run. I don't bother listening to anyone who actually trusts Trump. That individual is a fool and doesn't have a sense of reality. Why am I not questioning the CBO? Probably because I believe their actuaries are no different than any others who crunch and analyze the numbers. How exactly do you think they came to their assessment? You think they threw darts and guessed?
I have quite more than a few buddies who will lose their health insurances by this GOP new healthcare plan. It will be sad and pretty mad for my buddies toward GOP, and they are NOT the Dems nor the Republicans. The repercussion is coming, very big.
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Quote Originally Posted by sicknesscity:
I know. I think it's ironic. People usually need to learn lessons the hard way so I suspect this will end up having a positive effect in the long run. I don't bother listening to anyone who actually trusts Trump. That individual is a fool and doesn't have a sense of reality. Why am I not questioning the CBO? Probably because I believe their actuaries are no different than any others who crunch and analyze the numbers. How exactly do you think they came to their assessment? You think they threw darts and guessed?
I have quite more than a few buddies who will lose their health insurances by this GOP new healthcare plan. It will be sad and pretty mad for my buddies toward GOP, and they are NOT the Dems nor the Republicans. The repercussion is coming, very big.
The best action to take on Obamacare is to just let it implode on it's own .............anything else will be a disaster for Americans and the Republican party ............
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The best action to take on Obamacare is to just let it implode on it's own .............anything else will be a disaster for Americans and the Republican party ............
The best action to take on Obamacare is to just let it implode on it's own .............anything else will be a disaster for Americans and the Republican party ............
But that would be another lie of trumps campaign promises, you know, repeal and replace on day 1. Oh wait.......
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
The best action to take on Obamacare is to just let it implode on it's own .............anything else will be a disaster for Americans and the Republican party ............
But that would be another lie of trumps campaign promises, you know, repeal and replace on day 1. Oh wait.......
But that would be another lie of trumps campaign promises, you know, repeal and replace on day 1. Oh wait.......
||fingershake.gif' border=0> Not a lie.... one of Donald Trump’s key policy promises was that, “on day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare"....and he did ..it's the Republican Congress who hasn't delivered......Paul Ryan GOPe has been put to the test and he has failed......He needs to go...Ryan is over his head as the House Speaker............... an ineffective leader,very weak...a joke.
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Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:
But that would be another lie of trumps campaign promises, you know, repeal and replace on day 1. Oh wait.......
||fingershake.gif' border=0> Not a lie.... one of Donald Trump’s key policy promises was that, “on day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare"....and he did ..it's the Republican Congress who hasn't delivered......Paul Ryan GOPe has been put to the test and he has failed......He needs to go...Ryan is over his head as the House Speaker............... an ineffective leader,very weak...a joke.
Here is a FACT and I do not need to be an expert in saying this...
What happens when whatever this horsesh!t replacement ends up being is put in place and the cost to the insured AND the government is MORE than Obamacare was?
That WILL happen, that is a FACT...no question about it.
The issues about cost inflation and dealing with WHY healthcare costs have outpaced CPI for decades is not addressed, so no matter WHAT the new sparkled GOP plan is, the costs WILL be higher than Obamacare, it is impossible to NOT have it happen.
So what do the morons who were b!tching about Obamacare and wanting to toss it say when their sides plan is no better and costs more say and what do they do?
This party, that party, this name, that name...who cares, the issues are not being addressed that mean anything, so congrats to the GOP dummies for ditching a plan that is in place and taking the time and money to allegedly replace it...you are not making anything better because you are too stupid and focused on your lame party lines to actually do anything about the FIRE under your feet.
Same goes for some on this board, we have discussed this so many times over the years and NOBODY had a clue about making anything better, just idiotic finger pointing and party blaming...how pathetic.
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Here is a FACT and I do not need to be an expert in saying this...
What happens when whatever this horsesh!t replacement ends up being is put in place and the cost to the insured AND the government is MORE than Obamacare was?
That WILL happen, that is a FACT...no question about it.
The issues about cost inflation and dealing with WHY healthcare costs have outpaced CPI for decades is not addressed, so no matter WHAT the new sparkled GOP plan is, the costs WILL be higher than Obamacare, it is impossible to NOT have it happen.
So what do the morons who were b!tching about Obamacare and wanting to toss it say when their sides plan is no better and costs more say and what do they do?
This party, that party, this name, that name...who cares, the issues are not being addressed that mean anything, so congrats to the GOP dummies for ditching a plan that is in place and taking the time and money to allegedly replace it...you are not making anything better because you are too stupid and focused on your lame party lines to actually do anything about the FIRE under your feet.
Same goes for some on this board, we have discussed this so many times over the years and NOBODY had a clue about making anything better, just idiotic finger pointing and party blaming...how pathetic.
The mistake the Republicans are making is.. we shouldn't replace Obamacare ..it was too expensive to begin with and a the GOP replacement will cost even more in the long run...
Obama's/Democrats massive health care bill changed the insurance industry, but did nothing in the way of healthcare ...let states provide healthcare services to people who can’t afford them.
Health care plans need to be patient-centered, family centered, doctored-centered plan not insurance centered..
Notice the Democrats rarely bring up the number of uninsured anymore. That’s because it’s gone up since Obamacare. A change in insurance laws (Obamacare ) had no direct relation to actual services...and you couldn't keep your plan or your doctor either..
One thing for sure Obamacare just needs to be repealed and people that say it's not a party thing ..need to remember that Obamacare received not one vote from the opposing party.
Obamacare is a disaster....a total disaster..we don't need insurance monopolies. Government should get out of the insurance business .. leave it to the open market, that will encourage competition that will lower prices and give Americans a better products.
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The mistake the Republicans are making is.. we shouldn't replace Obamacare ..it was too expensive to begin with and a the GOP replacement will cost even more in the long run...
Obama's/Democrats massive health care bill changed the insurance industry, but did nothing in the way of healthcare ...let states provide healthcare services to people who can’t afford them.
Health care plans need to be patient-centered, family centered, doctored-centered plan not insurance centered..
Notice the Democrats rarely bring up the number of uninsured anymore. That’s because it’s gone up since Obamacare. A change in insurance laws (Obamacare ) had no direct relation to actual services...and you couldn't keep your plan or your doctor either..
One thing for sure Obamacare just needs to be repealed and people that say it's not a party thing ..need to remember that Obamacare received not one vote from the opposing party.
Obamacare is a disaster....a total disaster..we don't need insurance monopolies. Government should get out of the insurance business .. leave it to the open market, that will encourage competition that will lower prices and give Americans a better products.
Then we have Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL) solution "deport all illegal aliens"...as he has complained that the proposed Republican Obamacare ( Rinocare ) replacement would be the largest Republican welfare bill in history.
The best way to make healthcare more affordable for Americans is to
raise wages. And the best way to raise wages is to deport undocumented
workers...
“And one of the best things to help increase wages for working Americans
is to deport the illegal aliens that have flooded the marketplace,” he
noted. “Suppressing wages for all Americans and, in addition to that,
those illegal aliens have taken job opportunities from American
citizens.”
If you “deport illegal aliens,” you decrease the labor supply, forcing
employers to pay more for workers. And, thus, average Americans will be
able to better afford healthcare coverage.
Sounds like a plan...............
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Then we have Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL) solution "deport all illegal aliens"...as he has complained that the proposed Republican Obamacare ( Rinocare ) replacement would be the largest Republican welfare bill in history.
The best way to make healthcare more affordable for Americans is to
raise wages. And the best way to raise wages is to deport undocumented
workers...
“And one of the best things to help increase wages for working Americans
is to deport the illegal aliens that have flooded the marketplace,” he
noted. “Suppressing wages for all Americans and, in addition to that,
those illegal aliens have taken job opportunities from American
citizens.”
If you “deport illegal aliens,” you decrease the labor supply, forcing
employers to pay more for workers. And, thus, average Americans will be
able to better afford healthcare coverage.
First, what is the cost of deporting all these people you want out? How much time does this take and what impact will these really nasty activities have on the country as a whole?
Down here we put up with that louse Arpaio for a long long time, he got away with civil liberty abuses for decades because people were complacent about his methods and didnt realize the damage and costs he incurred in this similar behavior, plus it did nothing to help the situation. Some calculations came up that the cost of Arpaio's abuses ran over 100 million to the taxpayer, all because of the power he had and the abuses he did under the guise of deportation.
Second is say all the horrible illegals are out, what happens to the inflation created by these actions? The costs of the services illegals perform will go up in a large way and many people will not do the work even close to the wages the employers will want, so there will be a shortage of workers and thus more inflation because the supply will reduce.
All this garbage about removing illegals to solve all the ills of our country is not addressing the problem. It is merely cost shifting, so we spend billions deporting and inflation/costs go up in the multi millions and we still have not addressed the larger issue...so stupid people get nothing accomplished and divide the country in the process.
Sounds like a SOLID plan..
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That is a dumb plan for a few reasons..
First, what is the cost of deporting all these people you want out? How much time does this take and what impact will these really nasty activities have on the country as a whole?
Down here we put up with that louse Arpaio for a long long time, he got away with civil liberty abuses for decades because people were complacent about his methods and didnt realize the damage and costs he incurred in this similar behavior, plus it did nothing to help the situation. Some calculations came up that the cost of Arpaio's abuses ran over 100 million to the taxpayer, all because of the power he had and the abuses he did under the guise of deportation.
Second is say all the horrible illegals are out, what happens to the inflation created by these actions? The costs of the services illegals perform will go up in a large way and many people will not do the work even close to the wages the employers will want, so there will be a shortage of workers and thus more inflation because the supply will reduce.
All this garbage about removing illegals to solve all the ills of our country is not addressing the problem. It is merely cost shifting, so we spend billions deporting and inflation/costs go up in the multi millions and we still have not addressed the larger issue...so stupid people get nothing accomplished and divide the country in the process.
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