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I think the loser in the debate tonight is a lot easier to identify. Although he has fooled the pundits before, I think tonight was the beginning of the end for Donald Trump as a frontrunner. I think he did poorly. I don't know if they have any ability to get elected, but I think Rubio, Cruz and Huckabee turned in strong performances, followed closely by Carson. I'd be curious what others think.
 
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We saw the debate.. basically the same way ...
 
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Don't be surprised if Megyn Kelly turns out to be the biggest loser in the debate ..I hear she's getting just hammered on Facebook the co-host of the debate .

Turns out she's another Candy Crowley with a better face..
 
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 They are all losers. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by VanDutch:

 They are all losers. 


Why do you say that ?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by VanDutch:

 They are all losers. 


But in the end we are the losers
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

Don't be surprised if Megyn Kelly turns out to be the biggest loser in the debate ..I hear she's getting just hammered on Facebook the co-host of the debate .

Turns out she's another Candy Crowley with a better face..


Slim--I think the reason Megyn Kelly is getting hammered is that there was no balance to her questioning. She'd make a criticizing speech and  throw a difficult challenge to one candidate and then throw softballs at someone else. If I had to guess, her motivation was her self-aggrandizing ambition. Crowley, on the other hand, was just an obvious Obama plant doing her part to ensure the president's re-election.

I also strongly disagree with the characterization of all of us and the candidates as losers. One can be a hater of Republican approaches, but I think there was a considerable amount of thoughtful, substantive answers and spirited debate. What is more uniquely American than having the guts to take a stand publicly on the issues of the day ? I enjoyed the discourse much more than I thought I would.

 
 
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All we saw was basically  same old, same old.  A bunch  professional politicians that the country has become tired of.   Just because a person is a smooth talker doesn't mean they would make a good president.  (See used car salesmen).  We've been down this road before.
 
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Not one of them could win an intelligent debate with Hillary. She would eat them up. 

Carson should stay in the Hospital

Huck should stay in the pulpit.

Donald should stay in bankruptcy court.

C Krispy should stay in the toll booth

Jeb is not the brightest Bush
 
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1129ken,both Megyn and Wallace's questions and follow-up questions sounded like they were going after Trump on a personal level..

If, the moderators were fair and balanced they wouldn't have started out with the hands question ..(which was meant to single out Trump and put him on the spot) Trumps toughest opponents last night weren’t the candidates but the Fox moderators..

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Not one of them could win an intelligent debate with Hillary. She would eat them up. 


So far the dumbest post in this thread.  The words intelligent and Hillary should never be used in the same sentence.  Scandal and Hillary are a much better fit.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:

Not one of them could win an intelligent debate with Hillary. She would eat them up. 


So far the dumbest post in this thread.  The words intelligent and Hillary should never be used in the same sentence.  Scandal and Hillary are a much better fit.

You have a lot to learn kiddo
 
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Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

Not one of them could win an intelligent debate with Hillary. She would eat them up. 
 

Well- time will tell-

She will get her chance to answer questions as well-

Thus far her answers to tough questions have come in the form of legal documents and via spokespersons-

I really hope Joe Biden runs- the Obama/Clinton war may turn out to be more entertaining than the GOP varsity tryouts...

 

 
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I have always liked Joe Biden-

Not because I necessarily agree with all of his views, but he has always struck me as a good man- far from a polished politician (despite decades of experience), but one of the good guys....

 
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One could say,, that Joe Biden's plan to partitioning Iraq into 3 regions back in 2006 looks like a smarter and smarter plan today,, than what his boss has done to Iraq..
 
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Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

Not one of them could win an intelligent debate with Hillary. She would eat them up. 

Carson should stay in the Hospital

Huck should stay in the pulpit.

Donald should stay in bankruptcy court.

C Krispy should stay in the toll booth

Jeb is not the brightest Bush


You can be dismissive of all Republicans if that is what floats your boat, but I think you're mistaken to suggest that Hillary would have her way with some of these candidates. Remember, she got trounced in the primaries by a novice with the weakest resume in the history of presidential politics.Some of these Republican candidates performed quite well last night. Even if you favor Hillary, you can't possibly think she is an imposing force as a candidate. I said it here months ago and I'll say it again: I believe she is not going to be her party's nominee. Time will tell.
 
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If we were looking for the champion of a high school debate team this would be relevant. We're looking for a leader that can get things done.

Hillary isn't even going to get the chance to debate any of these people. 5 of them will make a better POTUS than she will. She'll be lucky to stay out of jail by the time of a heads-up debate. Remember she couldn't beat a community organizer with no experience.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by bejabbers:

All we saw was basically  same old, same old.  A bunch  professional politicians that the country has become tired of.   Just because a person is a smooth talker doesn't mean they would make a good president.  (See used car salesmen).  We've been down this road before.


We saw the debate basically the same way.

Beyond the trump drama circus, it seas the same used car salesmen trying to sell the same thing.

The problem is tho that there is a base that will continue to buy what these used car salesmen are selling regardless of the buy a lemon.

You see them on here, the real sad ones that basically blindly agree with whatever the used car special is and then try to sell it to others thinking they are fooling people. But in reality the used car salesman routine is so obvious to so many that they end up looking like the only people that are buying what these used car salesmen are selling.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

1129ken,both Megyn and Wallace's questions and follow-up questions sounded like they were going after Trump on a personal level..

If, the moderators were fair and balanced they wouldn't have started out with the hands question ..(which was meant to single out Trump and put him on the spot) Trumps toughest opponents last night weren’t the candidates but the Fox moderators..

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Slim--It will be interesting to see if Trump can become stronger or whether the moderator attacks of last night take the wind out of his sails. It sure seemed as though the Fox crowd wanted to do as much damage as they could to his candidacy. You could make a strong case for their wanting to get him out of the way so the Republican field could narrow without his imposing presence. Whether any of that is true or not, they went after him and, in my opinion, he didn't handle it well. I'm very curious to see whether the
new polls reflect that.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

If we were looking for the champion of a high school debate team this would be relevant. We're looking for a leader that can get things done.

Hillary isn't even going to get the chance to debate any of these people. 5 of them will make a better POTUS than she will. She'll be lucky to stay out of jail by the time of a heads-up debate. Remember she couldn't beat a community organizer with no experience.

for what it is worth, neither could the GOP nominee. Twice.

So maybe this is nt the best gauge 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by 1129ken:



Slim--It will be interesting to see if Trump can become stronger or whether the moderator attacks of last night take the wind out of his sails. It sure seemed as though the Fox crowd wanted to do as much damage as they could to his candidacy. You could make a strong case for their wanting to get him out of the way so the Republican field could narrow without his imposing presence. Whether any of that is true or not, they went after him and, in my opinion, he didn't handle it well. I'm very curious to see whether the
new polls reflect that.

I actually agree that he was singled out in a harsher way relative than the others. And I also think that there may be some behind the scenes strategy for this from Fox (or maybe even other big GOP wigs involved???).

But fair or not, when you act like him and act like a high school bully. And make harsh and childish comments in the media about anybody and everybody than you open yourself up for this type of treatment. 

I understand it is not supposed to be like that but it is how it is in basically all walks of life.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

One could say,, that Joe Biden's plan to partitioning Iraq into 3 regions back in 2006 looks like a smarter and smarter plan today,, than what his boss has done to Iraq..
And what would have been your plan,with hind sight? Cause i know you did not believe Joe, no one did. I remember him touting it on the Sunday talk shows.I dont think he should run though, he should retire and enjoy life
 
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matt--I don't disagree with anything you've said. I actually saw it as a missed opportunity for Trump. Let's face it---most serious observers of the political scene can distinguish a fastball from a grooved softball. You earn respect when you hit the fastball out of the park .Anyone can answer a question about your favorite charity. I think a good candidate wants the hard questions. It gives them an opportunity to shine. Sooner or later, you will have to answer the hard questions. Did Fox stack the deck against Trump ? Yes. However, as a self-described business genius and casino mogul, he missed an opportunity to demonstrate an ability to play a bad hand.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

And what would have been your plan,with hind sight? Cause i know you did not believe Joe, no one did. I remember him touting it on the Sunday talk shows.I dont think he should run though, he should retire and enjoy life

I said  "one could say " I'm not saying that I would say ....

You are right though ,I didn't agree with Biden's plan at the time and still don't...the reason is because after WWI..the British and the French drew up borders in the area already without regard for the wishes of the people living there..The political mess that Brits and French created, in the Middle-East ,in the aftermath of WWI remains today.

To dissect it further would make matters worse..The people in the area should be the one's deciding the division of their borders ...when people are forced to divide,, by an outside force they never accept the division   e.i. North /South Korea  ..East/West Germany.. the division of Palestine ..etc.

On the second point .. I believe Joe Biden should and will run for President. He's the core Democrats back up QB ,,and because the 1st string QB is headed to the bench for trying to use a deflated resume of accomplishments..He's their next best hope..

 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

I said  "one could say " I'm not saying that I would say ....

You are right though ,I didn't agree with Biden's plan at the time and still don't...the reason is because after WWI..the British and the French drew up borders in the area already without regard for the wishes of the people living there..The political mess that Brits and French created, in the Middle-East ,in the aftermath of WWI remains today.

To dissect it further would make matters worse..The people in the area should be the one's deciding the division of their borders ...when people are forced to divide,, by an outside force they never accept the division   e.i. North /South Korea  ..East/West Germany.. the division of Palestine ..etc.

On the second point .. I believe Joe Biden should and will run for President. He's the core Democrats back up QB ,,and because the 1st string QB is headed to the bench for trying to use a deflated resume of accomplishments..He's their next best hope..

  but disagree bout Hillary,she lost to B.O. for a few reasons and one being that he was someone different ( to an extent ) .This time around she will be facing the same ole.
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