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You're being respectful so I don't want to be a jerk about it, but I find you logic in response to mine to be chalk full of holes. For the sake of discussion, here's my responses:
Come on man. I like shanahan as a coach, but skins aren't anywhere close to being as good as the 49ers or pats and those two teams are two of few that buck the stat I alluded to. I'll look it up for you in a minute, but trust me, teams pre bye week have been awful on the whole.
Panthers are a desparate, hungry team. they want VERY badly to win and will have just as much effort as any. I'm well aware of morris and their rush D, but this is just one of few advantages the skins have. and the line already did move, it opened at 4 and went down to 3 to try to rope in more skins money.
The bears have allowed 100 points this year in 7 games (best in NFL). 22% of that came to the panthers last week. Skins have allowed 227 in 8 games. That's an average of 28 per game. If carolina is just average, the skins will have to score 31 to win. That's a hell of a lot to demand of your offense on a weekly basis.
Good luck on all your other plays, i respect you for writing up your thoughts and respecfully sharing them, but I really think you're looking at this game from some bad angles. Then again, as great as I've done this year, as it goes with any successful handicapper, there's a 57% chance I'm right.
Quote Originally Posted by Sammy_Ace:
I FULLY maintain my comment. That was probably the panther's best game of the year; just because they couldn't hold on against a superbowl contending squad does not mean they didn't play extremely well compared to their earlier performance; I'm assuming I don't need to tell you that the bears defense is elite. (1st against pass and 4th against run per Football Outsiders). Cam and steve smith put up their best games of the year yardage wise, cam's 1st over 300 yards since week 1, smiths 1st over 100 since week 2. They also got 119 yards on the ground, for 433 yards total offense. I'm not looking it up, but i guarantee you, not many teams have moved the ball that well against the bears this year.
Bears "handing them the game" is synonomous with the panthers creating a solid 3 turnovers, pretty good defensive effort. and sure the panthers didn't do great in the red zone, Again, this is the best defense in football, they held aaron rodgers to 16 (pack only got 23 because of a fake FG turned TD). You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think the skins defense is capable of replicating a fraction of that success. They got 314 through the air against the number 1 pass defense, I don't think it's unfair to think they can at least replicate that against the 20th best pass D.
Jets getting rocked was because they are not a good team, they just played way over their head against the pats, the fins were off a bye and much better, and the jets fell victim to the whole teams going into a bye week situation. completely incomparable situations, especially considering those were both divisional games and this is not.
Any "negative momentum" has been factored into the spread by vegas. They know that people would rather bet the upstart skins than the struggling panthers. They wouldn't be offering discounts on fading the panthers at this point. line moved from 4 to 3 with public money clearly on black jesus and crew.
Great commentary wangichu, but I respectfully disagree with you. In fact, you just made me like the skins a little more.
First, the Panthers did NOT look like "they got it together" last week.
I FULLY maintain my comment. That was probably the panther's best game of the year; just because they couldn't hold on against a superbowl contending squad does not mean they didn't play extremely well compared to their earlier performance; I'm assuming I don't need to tell you that the bears defense is elite. (1st against pass and 4th against run per Football Outsiders). Cam and steve smith put up their best games of the year yardage wise, cam's 1st over 300 yards since week 1, smiths 1st over 100 since week 2. They also got 119 yards on the ground, for 433 yards total offense. I'm not looking it up, but i guarantee you, not many teams have moved the ball that well against the bears this year.
Quote Originally Posted by Sammy_Ace:
Second, the Bears practically handed them this game, turning the ball over 3 times (a pick and 2 fumbles). Good teams capitalize on turnovers. The Panthers went 1-4 in the red zone!!
Second, the Bears practically handed them this game, turning the ball over 3 times (a pick and 2 fumbles). Good teams capitalize on turnovers. The Panthers went 1-4 in the red zone!!
Bears "handing them the game" is synonomous with the panthers creating a solid 3 turnovers, pretty good defensive effort. and sure the panthers didn't do great in the red zone, Again, this is the best defense in football, they held aaron rodgers to 16 (pack only got 23 because of a fake FG turned TD). You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think the skins defense is capable of replicating a fraction of that success. They got 314 through the air against the number 1 pass defense, I don't think it's unfair to think they can at least replicate that against the 20th best pass D.
Quote Originally Posted by Sammy_Ace:
Third, the way the Panthers lost that game was extremely deflating. I actually think that negative momentum will carry over into this week. Sort of the same way the Jets lost a close one at New England as a big dog, and then got absolutely rocked at home by Miami last week.
Jets getting rocked was because they are not a good team, they just played way over their head against the pats, the fins were off a bye and much better, and the jets fell victim to the whole teams going into a bye week situation. completely incomparable situations, especially considering those were both divisional games and this is not.
Any "negative momentum" has been factored into the spread by vegas. They know that people would rather bet the upstart skins than the struggling panthers. They wouldn't be offering discounts on fading the panthers at this point. line moved from 4 to 3 with public money clearly on black jesus and crew.
Quote Originally Posted by Sammy_Ace:
And my final point is I didn't realize the Skins were going into the bye week. That makes me even more confident that they will fear the wrath of Mike Shanahan if they lose 3 straight going into the bye. I love taking teams with respected/disciplinarian coaches going into the bye week and after the bye week. Prime examples of those types of coaches include Schiano, Bellichik, and Jim Harbaugh. The Patriots just destroyed the Rams going into their bye & 49ers played freaking awesome against Zona going into their bye. I think the Shanahans are a solid, no-nonsense coaching staff and definitely fall into that category.
Come on man. I like shanahan as a coach, but skins aren't anywhere close to being as good as the 49ers or pats and those two teams are two of few that buck the stat I alluded to. I'll look it up for you in a minute, but trust me, teams pre bye week have been awful on the whole.
Quote Originally Posted by Sammy_Ace:
Look for Shanahan to avenge last years loss to the Panthers with his new and revamped offense led RGIII and Alfred Morris. The leagues number 2 rush offense versus the 20th rush defense in the league....And they're only laying 3?? Take it now before the line moves.
SKINS!!!
Panthers are a desparate, hungry team. they want VERY badly to win and will have just as much effort as any. I'm well aware of morris and their rush D, but this is just one of few advantages the skins have. and the line already did move, it opened at 4 and went down to 3 to try to rope in more skins money.
The bears have allowed 100 points this year in 7 games (best in NFL). 22% of that came to the panthers last week. Skins have allowed 227 in 8 games. That's an average of 28 per game. If carolina is just average, the skins will have to score 31 to win. That's a hell of a lot to demand of your offense on a weekly basis.
Good luck on all your other plays, i respect you for writing up your thoughts and respecfully sharing them, but I really think you're looking at this game from some bad angles. Then again, as great as I've done this year, as it goes with any successful handicapper, there's a 57% chance I'm right.
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