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    Minnesota at Arizona (12/14/2008)

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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2008 - 2:22 AM ET #1

    Away:  Minnesota [5-8 ATS]
    Home:  Arizona [8-5 ATS]

    Game Time: 4:05 PM
    Stadium: University of Phoenix Stadium

    Recent Meetings:
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    Team Leaders:

    Minnesota:
    Passing: Gus Frerotte (2157)
    Rushing: Adrian Peterson (1416)
    Receiving: Bernard Berrian (824)

    Arizona:
    Passing: Kurt Warner (4020)
    Rushing: Edgerrin James (395)
    Receiving: Larry Fitzgerald (1148)

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    Away:  Minnesota [5-8 ATS]
    Home:  Arizona [8-5 ATS]

    Game Time: 4:05 PM
    Stadium: University of Phoenix Stadium

    Recent Meetings:
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    Team Leaders:

    Minnesota:
    Passing: Gus Frerotte (2157)
    Rushing: Adrian Peterson (1416)
    Receiving: Bernard Berrian (824)

    Arizona:
    Passing: Kurt Warner (4020)
    Rushing: Edgerrin James (395)
    Receiving: Larry Fitzgerald (1148)

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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2008 - 2:53 AM ET #2

    AZ shud shred Yikes pass d. 
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2008 - 4:49 AM ET #3

    Nope Vikings Defense is not that bad, If Pat and Kevin Williams are playing, I am taking the Vikings Plus chalks. If Chicago lose on Thursday then Vikings will clinch Division Title. This game might not be so important for both teams except for seeding I guess. BOL
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    Nope Vikings Defense is not that bad, If Pat and Kevin Williams are playing, I am taking the Vikings Plus chalks. If Chicago lose on Thursday then Vikings will clinch Division Title. This game might not be so important for both teams except for seeding I guess. BOL
     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2008 - 10:00 PM ET #4

    Up to this point in Cardinals history might be most important game as will rest of them on the way out.  lots of pressure.  They need to know if they can beat this Minny team at home right now.  Unbelievably vikings qb playing good, leaning over here.   
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    Up to this point in Cardinals history might be most important game as will rest of them on the way out.  lots of pressure.  They need to know if they can beat this Minny team at home right now.  Unbelievably vikings qb playing good, leaning over here.   
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radiators:

    Up to this point in Cardinals history might be most important game as will rest of them on the way out.  lots of pressure.  They need to know if they can beat this Minny team at home right now.  Unbelievably vikings qb playing good, leaning over here.   

     

    this is the worst logic of capping a game i've ever read... the cards have sealed a home playoff game... there is no pressure in winning or losing this one game... they have no mistique... therefore... they will play within themselves and their team... and to be a professional athlete... that is something the learned when they played pee wee... if anything they will have pressure on winning away games... cuz they practically have gained no respect from the east coast teams... cuz they havent won on the east coast... including the philly game on thanksgiving... which in my belief was the pressure cooker game... a big time game to seal up the division on the road when the cards havent won on thanksgiving in their several previous tries...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radiators:

    Up to this point in Cardinals history might be most important game as will rest of them on the way out.  lots of pressure.  They need to know if they can beat this Minny team at home right now.  Unbelievably vikings qb playing good, leaning over here.   

     

    this is the worst logic of capping a game i've ever read... the cards have sealed a home playoff game... there is no pressure in winning or losing this one game... they have no mistique... therefore... they will play within themselves and their team... and to be a professional athlete... that is something the learned when they played pee wee... if anything they will have pressure on winning away games... cuz they practically have gained no respect from the east coast teams... cuz they havent won on the east coast... including the philly game on thanksgiving... which in my belief was the pressure cooker game... a big time game to seal up the division on the road when the cards havent won on thanksgiving in their several previous tries...

     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 1:06 AM ET #6

      Your an idiot, the Cardinals have major pressure on them.  if they lose, even though they have 1 home game, it will distroy their confidence and any momentum they need to get to any superbowl.  This is bigger than you think.  Any team in sports that has never won needs to win in this situation.  Any losing is bad.   " oh its ok we lost this week to the Vikings at home.  It doesnt matter.  we didnt need it.
    "we played to win the game"
    You think winning on thanksgiving is more important than this home game with the Vikings with 3 more weeks left in this season, your an idiot
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      Your an idiot, the Cardinals have major pressure on them.  if they lose, even though they have 1 home game, it will distroy their confidence and any momentum they need to get to any superbowl.  This is bigger than you think.  Any team in sports that has never won needs to win in this situation.  Any losing is bad.   " oh its ok we lost this week to the Vikings at home.  It doesnt matter.  we didnt need it.
    "we played to win the game"
    You think winning on thanksgiving is more important than this home game with the Vikings with 3 more weeks left in this season, your an idiot
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 1:08 AM ET #7

    you will hear them say this if they have a lead and they are about to blow it.  
    Confidence is built from winning not losing or saying oh it didnt matter

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    you will hear them say this if they have a lead and they are about to blow it.  
    Confidence is built from winning not losing or saying oh it didnt matter

     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 1:13 AM ET #8

     winning  the division the only away they would have to play is Giants or Carolina.  I think they are not even thinking about an away game against giants and carolina right now.  I think, most important to the Cardinals right now would be to win every single game from here out, starting with this one.
    Your an idiot if you think the coach is saying,its ok if we lose this one
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     winning  the division the only away they would have to play is Giants or Carolina.  I think they are not even thinking about an away game against giants and carolina right now.  I think, most important to the Cardinals right now would be to win every single game from here out, starting with this one.
    Your an idiot if you think the coach is saying,its ok if we lose this one
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 2:11 AM ET #9

    The question is can they win? Not if they want too. This game mean more for the Vikings. GO Vikings !!!!!!
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    The question is can they win? Not if they want too. This game mean more for the Vikings. GO Vikings !!!!!!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 3:06 AM ET #10

    Why even touch this game? Arizona very inconsistent, and T-Jack taking over QB for the vikings. How will he play his first full game back in after riding the pine? One thing I do not trust when it comes to capping is QB changes. Every play on offense begins with the QB and you have to have some kind of idea as to what your going to get outta them. He was sat for a reason...Look elsewhere if you really want an edge IMO....
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    Why even touch this game? Arizona very inconsistent, and T-Jack taking over QB for the vikings. How will he play his first full game back in after riding the pine? One thing I do not trust when it comes to capping is QB changes. Every play on offense begins with the QB and you have to have some kind of idea as to what your going to get outta them. He was sat for a reason...Look elsewhere if you really want an edge IMO....
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2008 - 11:31 PM ET #11

    I would take the cards in this spot, with TJ playing qb for Vikes.  
    He should turn the ball over at least twice and the recievers on Cards will be used with that big run D for Vikes.
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    I would take the cards in this spot, with TJ playing qb for Vikes.  
    He should turn the ball over at least twice and the recievers on Cards will be used with that big run D for Vikes.
     
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    Arizona -3 - Both Arizona and Minnesota have been much stronger teams at home in 2008. They both have 5-1 records at home and 3-4 records on the road. Playing in Arizona this weekend the Cardinals will have a huge edge. Arizona's only home loss came against the Giants who have dominated all season. They have won all of their home games by 5 points or more and have had wins against both the Cowboys and Buffallo (earlier in the season when these were good teams). AZ will keep the home momentum alive against Minnesota this weekend.
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    Arizona -3 - Both Arizona and Minnesota have been much stronger teams at home in 2008. They both have 5-1 records at home and 3-4 records on the road. Playing in Arizona this weekend the Cardinals will have a huge edge. Arizona's only home loss came against the Giants who have dominated all season. They have won all of their home games by 5 points or more and have had wins against both the Cowboys and Buffallo (earlier in the season when these were good teams). AZ will keep the home momentum alive against Minnesota this weekend.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2008 - 1:18 AM ET #13

    I'd definitely take the Cards / Over if Tarvaris is QB!!!! He's probably the worst QB in the league!!! He's even worse than JaMarcus Russell on the stinkin' Raiders!!! Look what happened last week when Frerotte went down - and against the box-Cats no less!! When he plays he looks like a lost little puppy running aimlessly on a busy highway - sad & scary. The over is 47.5? I think the Cards might get that by themselves - don't forget - they're still playing for the bye week.....


    I'll even make this bold prediction - the Vikes have the Cards, Falcons, & Giants remaining while the Bears (who won tonite, and now get an extra 3 days rest) have the Packers & Texans? Bears win the division, and the Vikes get a nice long vacation.....
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    I'd definitely take the Cards / Over if Tarvaris is QB!!!! He's probably the worst QB in the league!!! He's even worse than JaMarcus Russell on the stinkin' Raiders!!! Look what happened last week when Frerotte went down - and against the box-Cats no less!! When he plays he looks like a lost little puppy running aimlessly on a busy highway - sad & scary. The over is 47.5? I think the Cards might get that by themselves - don't forget - they're still playing for the bye week.....


    I'll even make this bold prediction - the Vikes have the Cards, Falcons, & Giants remaining while the Bears (who won tonite, and now get an extra 3 days rest) have the Packers & Texans? Bears win the division, and the Vikes get a nice long vacation.....
     
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    The over may be the best play here.
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2008 - 11:32 AM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by mleavers2000:

    Arizona -3 - Both Arizona and Minnesota have been much stronger teams at home in 2008. They both have 5-1 records at home and 3-4 records on the road. Playing in Arizona this weekend the Cardinals will have a huge edge. Arizona's only home loss came against the Giants who have dominated all season. They have won all of their home games by 5 points or more and have had wins against both the Cowboys and Buffallo (earlier in the season when these were good teams). AZ will keep the home momentum alive against Minnesota this weekend.

    Cards also spanked the Dolphins by 3 TDs early in the season, which now should be counted as a very good win.  AZ -3

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    Quote Originally Posted by mleavers2000:

    Arizona -3 - Both Arizona and Minnesota have been much stronger teams at home in 2008. They both have 5-1 records at home and 3-4 records on the road. Playing in Arizona this weekend the Cardinals will have a huge edge. Arizona's only home loss came against the Giants who have dominated all season. They have won all of their home games by 5 points or more and have had wins against both the Cowboys and Buffallo (earlier in the season when these were good teams). AZ will keep the home momentum alive against Minnesota this weekend.

    Cards also spanked the Dolphins by 3 TDs early in the season, which now should be counted as a very good win.  AZ -3

     
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    Posted: Dec. 12, 2008 - 12:27 PM ET #16

    Phancard, Bears won now Vikes need this bad but I don't think they get it.  Back-up qb is not that good, poor decision-maker in passing game.  Besides their schedule is brutal, I don't think playoffs are possible now.  Remember the year they finished the season in AZ needing a win for the playoffs and lost on a 4th down play?  That was with Daunte Culpepper and a much better team than this.  GL!!!
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    Phancard, Bears won now Vikes need this bad but I don't think they get it.  Back-up qb is not that good, poor decision-maker in passing game.  Besides their schedule is brutal, I don't think playoffs are possible now.  Remember the year they finished the season in AZ needing a win for the playoffs and lost on a 4th down play?  That was with Daunte Culpepper and a much better team than this.  GL!!!
     
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    Chill out Radiators. It really isn't that big of a deal for the Cardinals. I'm sure their primary concern is keeping everyone healthy. They already clinched the division and a home playoff game. A first round bye isn't happening. This game means a lot more to the Vikings, especially after the Bears won. Now they have to keep pace. Obviously the Cardinals don't want to lose but they're not going to be hurting as much as the Vikings if they don't win. With all that said I'm taking the OVER. Vikings rush defense is very good, but the pass defense is in the bottom half of the league. This plays right into the Cardinals strengths. They should spread the field out with Fitsy, Boldin and Breaston and attack the Vikes D through the air. The Cardinals defense should see a steady dose of AP throughout the game. I'd expect at least 25-30 rush attempts. TJ is back behind center and I don't think they're going to want to put too much on his plate right now. Liking the OVER here
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    Chill out Radiators. It really isn't that big of a deal for the Cardinals. I'm sure their primary concern is keeping everyone healthy. They already clinched the division and a home playoff game. A first round bye isn't happening. This game means a lot more to the Vikings, especially after the Bears won. Now they have to keep pace. Obviously the Cardinals don't want to lose but they're not going to be hurting as much as the Vikings if they don't win. With all that said I'm taking the OVER. Vikings rush defense is very good, but the pass defense is in the bottom half of the league. This plays right into the Cardinals strengths. They should spread the field out with Fitsy, Boldin and Breaston and attack the Vikes D through the air. The Cardinals defense should see a steady dose of AP throughout the game. I'd expect at least 25-30 rush attempts. TJ is back behind center and I don't think they're going to want to put too much on his plate right now. Liking the OVER here
     
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    I think the over is a solid play here. The Cards will most likely pull out to a lead with that high octane offense, which will force the Vikes to  speed up they're mainly run based offense and even IF the Cards go to Lienhart, they will still run the passing offense to get him reps.BOL to all
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    I think the over is a solid play here. The Cards will most likely pull out to a lead with that high octane offense, which will force the Vikes to  speed up they're mainly run based offense and even IF the Cards go to Lienhart, they will still run the passing offense to get him reps.BOL to all
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boludojones:

    I'd definitely take the Cards / Over if Tarvaris is QB!!!! He's probably the worst QB in the league!!! He's even worse than JaMarcus Russell on the stinkin' Raiders!!! Look what happened last week when Frerotte went down - and against the box-Cats no less!! When he plays he looks like a lost little puppy running aimlessly on a busy highway - sad & scary. The over is 47.5? I think the Cards might get that by themselves - don't forget - they're still playing for the bye week.....


    I'll even make this bold prediction - the Vikes have the Cards, Falcons, & Giants remaining while the Bears (who won tonite, and now get an extra 3 days rest) have the Packers & Texans? Bears win the division, and the Vikes get a nice long vacation.....

    You mean when he entered in the second half last week and went 8/10 for 105 yards and the go-ahead touchdown?

    Yeah. . .he was simply awful.

    At some point, you DO watch the games, yes?
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    I'd definitely take the Cards / Over if Tarvaris is QB!!!! He's probably the worst QB in the league!!! He's even worse than JaMarcus Russell on the stinkin' Raiders!!! Look what happened last week when Frerotte went down - and against the box-Cats no less!! When he plays he looks like a lost little puppy running aimlessly on a busy highway - sad & scary. The over is 47.5? I think the Cards might get that by themselves - don't forget - they're still playing for the bye week.....


    I'll even make this bold prediction - the Vikes have the Cards, Falcons, & Giants remaining while the Bears (who won tonite, and now get an extra 3 days rest) have the Packers & Texans? Bears win the division, and the Vikes get a nice long vacation.....

    You mean when he entered in the second half last week and went 8/10 for 105 yards and the go-ahead touchdown?

    Yeah. . .he was simply awful.

    At some point, you DO watch the games, yes?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DailyNorseman:


    You mean when he entered in the second half last week and went 8/10 for 105 yards and the go-ahead touchdown?

    Yeah. . .he was simply awful.

    At some point, you DO watch the games, yes?



    No - I'm talking about how up until midway through the 4th quarter the Lions were winning the game. Detroit is close to or dead last in every feasible statistical category. With "All Day" in as my RB, I think I could have had those stats off the bench against the box-Cats.

    Hmmm, it seems strange to me that the closest the Lions have come to winning any games this year have been the 2 they played against the Vikes. If the Lions weren't so absolutely F'n horrible, the Vikes could be 6-7 right now, not 8-5.

    The Cards are a super high powered offense with at least a "better than average" defense - and now - all they have to do is focus on shutting down "All Day". So knowing this, how many points do you think they can rack up off of Tarvaris' continual "3-and-outs" this Sunday? 40? 50? 60? Who knows? The fact that the line is only 3 points is an early Christmas present for me!

    And no wiseguy, I didn't watch the game. I was flipping back and forth between the Giants / Eagles and the Bears / Jaguars games, since I stayed home that day & these were the 2 that were offered on Fox & CBS. But I watched all of the highlights & post game stuff and the NFL network, and the internet sites like everybody else in here (that's how I saw Jared Allen take that cheap shot to his knee, and now he's "doubtful" for this week's game - WOW!!! How could I have seen that if I didn't "watch the game"!!!!!).

    Also, in seeing that your location is Mississippi, I'm thinking that you didn't watch the game either - unless you have the NFL package - which if you do, I'm sure you were probably watching the Saints / Falcons, since that was the best game going on during that time period.....

    So, stick that on your Barbecue & grill it!!!!!!!!!



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    You mean when he entered in the second half last week and went 8/10 for 105 yards and the go-ahead touchdown?

    Yeah. . .he was simply awful.

    At some point, you DO watch the games, yes?



    No - I'm talking about how up until midway through the 4th quarter the Lions were winning the game. Detroit is close to or dead last in every feasible statistical category. With "All Day" in as my RB, I think I could have had those stats off the bench against the box-Cats.

    Hmmm, it seems strange to me that the closest the Lions have come to winning any games this year have been the 2 they played against the Vikes. If the Lions weren't so absolutely F'n horrible, the Vikes could be 6-7 right now, not 8-5.

    The Cards are a super high powered offense with at least a "better than average" defense - and now - all they have to do is focus on shutting down "All Day". So knowing this, how many points do you think they can rack up off of Tarvaris' continual "3-and-outs" this Sunday? 40? 50? 60? Who knows? The fact that the line is only 3 points is an early Christmas present for me!

    And no wiseguy, I didn't watch the game. I was flipping back and forth between the Giants / Eagles and the Bears / Jaguars games, since I stayed home that day & these were the 2 that were offered on Fox & CBS. But I watched all of the highlights & post game stuff and the NFL network, and the internet sites like everybody else in here (that's how I saw Jared Allen take that cheap shot to his knee, and now he's "doubtful" for this week's game - WOW!!! How could I have seen that if I didn't "watch the game"!!!!!).

    Also, in seeing that your location is Mississippi, I'm thinking that you didn't watch the game either - unless you have the NFL package - which if you do, I'm sure you were probably watching the Saints / Falcons, since that was the best game going on during that time period.....

    So, stick that on your Barbecue & grill it!!!!!!!!!



     
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    This is obviously, a tough one, but I like the Cards in this game.

    They've been too good at home this season and you guys have all pointed out the weakness in the Vikes secondary.

    Even if the Vikings can get A.P. to go off, I like the Cards to outscore them. 

    The Cards can stack the box and force Tavaris to beat them, or make some mistakes, and I'm sure that's going to be their strategy.  Especially with that rookie cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie picking off 3 passes in the last 4 games.  I'm looking for that to happen again in this game.

    Sometimes I like to go ahead and buy the 1/2 point in games like this because it doesn't cost you much and it might matter in this one. 

    Cards by 3 (buy the 1/2)
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    This is obviously, a tough one, but I like the Cards in this game.

    They've been too good at home this season and you guys have all pointed out the weakness in the Vikes secondary.

    Even if the Vikings can get A.P. to go off, I like the Cards to outscore them. 

    The Cards can stack the box and force Tavaris to beat them, or make some mistakes, and I'm sure that's going to be their strategy.  Especially with that rookie cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie picking off 3 passes in the last 4 games.  I'm looking for that to happen again in this game.

    Sometimes I like to go ahead and buy the 1/2 point in games like this because it doesn't cost you much and it might matter in this one. 

    Cards by 3 (buy the 1/2)
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boludojones:




    No - I'm talking about how up until midway through the 4th quarter the Lions were winning the game. Detroit is close to or dead last in every feasible statistical category. With "All Day" in as my RB, I think I could have had those stats off the bench against the box-Cats.

    Hmmm, it seems strange to me that the closest the Lions have come to winning any games this year have been the 2 they played against the Vikes. If the Lions weren't so absolutely F'n horrible, the Vikes could be 6-7 right now, not 8-5.

    The Cards are a super high powered offense with at least a "better than average" defense - and now - all they have to do is focus on shutting down "All Day". So knowing this, how many points do you think they can rack up off of Tarvaris' continual "3-and-outs" this Sunday? 40? 50? 60? Who knows? The fact that the line is only 3 points is an early Christmas present for me!

    And no wiseguy, I didn't watch the game. I was flipping back and forth between the Giants / Eagles and the Bears / Jaguars games, since I stayed home that day & these were the 2 that were offered on Fox & CBS. But I watched all of the highlights & post game stuff and the NFL network, and the internet sites like everybody else in here (that's how I saw Jared Allen take that cheap shot to his knee, and now he's "doubtful" for this week's game - WOW!!! How could I have seen that if I didn't "watch the game"!!!!!).

    Also, in seeing that your location is Mississippi, I'm thinking that you didn't watch the game either - unless you have the NFL package - which if you do, I'm sure you were probably watching the Saints / Falcons, since that was the best game going on during that time period.....

    So, stick that on your Barbecue & grill it!!!!!!!!!




    Yep, even people in Mississippi can get the NFL package!  We put it next to that there fancy new-fangled indoor plumbin' that all them kids is talkin' about!  *hock, spit*

    Stereotype much?

    So, basically, you're running your mouth about something you don't know anything about.  Awesome.  Honestly, it doesn't matter if the Vikings "only" beat the Lions by 2 points or 4 points or whatever.  You know what the best part of "winning ugly" is?  The fact that you still win, that's what!  This isn't the BCS. . .there's no need to impress anybody.

    The fact of the matter is that you told everyone about how awful Jackson was after Frerotte went down last Sunday, and you were completely, totally, and thoroughly incorrect.  It's okay. . .everybody's completely wrong sometimes.  It's even okay to admit it!

    And, since you're obviously unaware of this, Arizona's Defensive Passer Rating is among the worst in the National Football League.  They've also given up more TD passes than any team in the NFL.  Another thing that you're apparently unaware of is that pretty much every defense that the Vikings have faced this season has "just had to focus on stopping Adrian Peterson."  (Since Gus Frerotte has been our QB to this point and everything.)  As you obviously haven't noticed, very few teams have actually done this. . .and there's no reason to think that Arizona's defense is capable of it.

    Could Arizona win tomorrow?  Sure, they could.  Are they going to win by the kind of idiotic margin that you're predicting?  Not likely.
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    No - I'm talking about how up until midway through the 4th quarter the Lions were winning the game. Detroit is close to or dead last in every feasible statistical category. With "All Day" in as my RB, I think I could have had those stats off the bench against the box-Cats.

    Hmmm, it seems strange to me that the closest the Lions have come to winning any games this year have been the 2 they played against the Vikes. If the Lions weren't so absolutely F'n horrible, the Vikes could be 6-7 right now, not 8-5.

    The Cards are a super high powered offense with at least a "better than average" defense - and now - all they have to do is focus on shutting down "All Day". So knowing this, how many points do you think they can rack up off of Tarvaris' continual "3-and-outs" this Sunday? 40? 50? 60? Who knows? The fact that the line is only 3 points is an early Christmas present for me!

    And no wiseguy, I didn't watch the game. I was flipping back and forth between the Giants / Eagles and the Bears / Jaguars games, since I stayed home that day & these were the 2 that were offered on Fox & CBS. But I watched all of the highlights & post game stuff and the NFL network, and the internet sites like everybody else in here (that's how I saw Jared Allen take that cheap shot to his knee, and now he's "doubtful" for this week's game - WOW!!! How could I have seen that if I didn't "watch the game"!!!!!).

    Also, in seeing that your location is Mississippi, I'm thinking that you didn't watch the game either - unless you have the NFL package - which if you do, I'm sure you were probably watching the Saints / Falcons, since that was the best game going on during that time period.....

    So, stick that on your Barbecue & grill it!!!!!!!!!




    Yep, even people in Mississippi can get the NFL package!  We put it next to that there fancy new-fangled indoor plumbin' that all them kids is talkin' about!  *hock, spit*

    Stereotype much?

    So, basically, you're running your mouth about something you don't know anything about.  Awesome.  Honestly, it doesn't matter if the Vikings "only" beat the Lions by 2 points or 4 points or whatever.  You know what the best part of "winning ugly" is?  The fact that you still win, that's what!  This isn't the BCS. . .there's no need to impress anybody.

    The fact of the matter is that you told everyone about how awful Jackson was after Frerotte went down last Sunday, and you were completely, totally, and thoroughly incorrect.  It's okay. . .everybody's completely wrong sometimes.  It's even okay to admit it!

    And, since you're obviously unaware of this, Arizona's Defensive Passer Rating is among the worst in the National Football League.  They've also given up more TD passes than any team in the NFL.  Another thing that you're apparently unaware of is that pretty much every defense that the Vikings have faced this season has "just had to focus on stopping Adrian Peterson."  (Since Gus Frerotte has been our QB to this point and everything.)  As you obviously haven't noticed, very few teams have actually done this. . .and there's no reason to think that Arizona's defense is capable of it.

    Could Arizona win tomorrow?  Sure, they could.  Are they going to win by the kind of idiotic margin that you're predicting?  Not likely.
     
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    With all of this talk of minnesotas offense being so bad with T.J. and them going primarily rush, throw in a decent defense there is not a strong play on the total IMO...27-20 Cards?  Still do not see any value in this game, but good luck...
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    With all of this talk of minnesotas offense being so bad with T.J. and them going primarily rush, throw in a decent defense there is not a strong play on the total IMO...27-20 Cards?  Still do not see any value in this game, but good luck...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowWarrior:

    Phancard, Bears won now Vikes need this bad but I don't think they get it.  Back-up qb is not that good, poor decision-maker in passing game.  Besides their schedule is brutal, I don't think playoffs are possible now.  Remember the year they finished the season in AZ needing a win for the playoffs and lost on a 4th down play?  That was with Daunte Culpepper and a much better team than this.  GL!!!

     

    I remember that play, it was devasting for us Vikings fan

    I hope this year is not a repeat of last year also..

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    Phancard, Bears won now Vikes need this bad but I don't think they get it.  Back-up qb is not that good, poor decision-maker in passing game.  Besides their schedule is brutal, I don't think playoffs are possible now.  Remember the year they finished the season in AZ needing a win for the playoffs and lost on a 4th down play?  That was with Daunte Culpepper and a much better team than this.  GL!!!

     

    I remember that play, it was devasting for us Vikings fan

    I hope this year is not a repeat of last year also..

     
     
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    By the time the Vikings play the Giants, I just hope that the Giants have already wrapped up home field advantage through out.
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