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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @DeezyAZ81 I answered them. No I am not making that analogy. Many others that are experts have told you what that regime is. My question is why do you support it? When you know who they are, what they support, and what they have done to their own people? I am not sure why you do not understand that they have clearly demonstrated their intent to be far worse than any dictator, including NK and RU. Aw far as who determines it, the world at large and the world experts that actually understand and study it. For example, MI-5’s biggest caseload today is not far-Right extremism; it is Islamic extremism. There are plenty of bad dictators and even countries. But it is far from laughable to think they are as serious a regional or world threat as other countries are. There are a lot of people that consider this a very serious matter. Experts?? To answer your question, I do not support Iran's leadership or government, I simply do not care about them. I do not think the U.S. should be involved in Israel-Iran conflict or affairs to sum up my position. Just like I do not support Bibi's regime, or Putin's regime, or North Korea's regime. We should not be involved, which I thought was the MAGA position considering you cheered no new wars his entire first administration and throughout the 2024 election cycle. In fact, you stressed that getting out and staying out of the Middle East was a huge accomplishment. Now that he got involved in Iran and the region again, that position has mysteriously disappeared and MAGAS flipped flopped. You do not stand for anything. Trump actually wrote make Iran great again. You clearly have not done any reading on North Korea and the Kim dynasty or Russia. I cannot believe you actually typed that without knowing NK's history, so no need to delve into that further. You need to brush up on international politics and history, if you are going to attempt to speak on it. Have a great Sunday! |
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@DeezyAZ81 https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/how-india-pakistan-pulled-back-brink-with-us-brokered-ceasefire-2025-05-13/ This is one from before yours. So, there is credit given. Does it really matter if the countries want to change the narrative now or take full credit on their own? If the USA announced it and all three countries officials at the time were saying it, does it really matter if they want to shift it now? I just do not think so, nor care. The bottom line is still it happen d on Trump’s watch after he and his administration reached out to both countries. Did you actually read the link you attached? The source sums up that Trump did nothing to broker ceasefire. It says Vance made a phone call. |
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I understand what Trump claims. However, India and Pakistan do not support his claims. In fact, India publicly stated what he said is untrue. I am showing you specific sources stating this. You have not shown me or named a single source that backs up what Trump stated from officials in India or Pakistan. I see Pakistan said the U.S. was involved and helped facilitate but gave no specifics and did not support his story about the trade situation publicly at all. It's almost like Trump might be lying. |
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@DeezyAZ81 Okay. I just disagree. I think if you are the face of the mediating party — then you earn some credit. But I just do not read a good reason for not giving it from you. It just seems because it was Trump. Do you give credit to the USA for helping or the administration at least? Well of course you disagree, you are a MAGA and unwavering rah rah Trump guy. No one says that Trump is the face of the mediating party except for you and Trump himself. Legit no one from India or Pakistan stated this about the ceasefire. Secondly, this ceasefire was almost immediately violated. |
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@DeezyAZ81 What did he do to make the Russia/Ukraine situation worse? How did he make the Israel/Gaza situation worse? What did he do to get blame on either of those? He has actually tried to talk to all parties involved and even met with some of them. I am sure he has called some as well. I do not see a line that you can draw that easily to say he worsened it at all. No sir, you would have to really do better at making a case for that. Are you actually being serious??? Do you do any reading of current events?? I can post these situations separately but Ill start with Russia/Ukraine. 1. Trump stopped intelligence sharing with Ukraine in March enhancing the ability for Russia to escalate the war and attempt to gain more territory. 2. Trump froze all military aid in Ukraine as well in March also driving up the attacks on Ukraine and making violence worse. 3. Trump meets with Putin and Saudi Crown Prince to discuss Ukraine-Russia conflict to "negotiate" an end to the war without Ukraine representation ever present. 4. At G7 Summit Trump blocked initiatives to lower the price cap on Russian oil, which could have limited Russian revenues as sanctions to reduce the states ability to fund aggression. These are four things right off the bat, but there are many more. |
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@DeezyAZ81 But if you want to move to other topics, I would have a couple of questions for you about something you just posted. I understand why you think Iran and any other country that chooses should have nuclear weapons. But you certainly do not apply that on the individual level. You would not be okay with a radical person having a gun to protect their home. Not when this person has threatened folks and shown aggressive behavior in the past. He has threatened folks at work and even threatened to kill his wife. In fact, he has a restraining order and has been arrested a couple of times for aggressive behavior and assault. So, why do you not apply this on an international level? To a country that is run by a few very radical individuals that have demonstrated this type of behavior and threatening aggression? Can you consolidate these two things? Because I am sure you can understand why a lot of people would disagree with you on your political side. Including Clinton, Obama, and Biden, etc. Why should I answer your questions when you do not answer mine? I assume you are trying to make the analogy that Iran is this fictitious radical person??? What makes Iran more radical than Trump (U.S.), Putin (Russia), Israel (Bibi), or Jong-Un (North Korea)? Who defines what being radical in the international system is? Each of these state actors can be considered radical too then because they each show aggressive behavior towards others individually and at the state level as consistent threats towards others (even killing state actors in their own countries and abroad). Yet, each is permitted to develop and possess nukes. So some states and actors can act radically and threaten others and attack others but some states simply cannot? That is the position you hold? That is laughable sir. |
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@DeezyAZ81 I think most folks know where Modi stands. He has expressed his gratitude towards Trump quite a few times. As have a few of their leaders. But the more key thing is to look at what the actual folks are saying about it and not really some journalists with an ax to grind, so to speak. Does Aljazeera work for you as a source??? Hmmm. This seems to directly contradict what you expressed about the ceasefire mediation and Modi. Again name a source that describes Trumps involvement in the ceasefire and the conditions brokered by Trump from a source or journalist without an "ax to grind" so to speak. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/18/indias-modi-maintains-there-was-no-us-mediation-in-pakistan-ceasefire Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has made it clear to United States President Donald Trump that a ceasefire between India and Pakistan after a four-day conflict in May was achieved through talks between the two militaries and not US mediation, a top diplomat in New Delhi says. “PM Modi told President Trump clearly that during this period, there was no talk at any stage on subjects like India-U.S. trade deal or US mediation between India and Pakistan,” Indian Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri said in a press statement on Wednesday. |
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
I @DeezyAZ81 I answered the ones that pertained to what the quote was about. To these, every country will have their different agendas and attempts to save face or keep their grievances open on a back burner. I could k certainly speculate on those. But that is a bit adrift of the quote. The ceasefire your boy brokered was all in the news and you can read about it. All the homework is not my duty. What exact details would you want to know that would convince you one way or the other. The bottom line is still the same. Ceasefires were done and the USA played a part in it and they are led by your boy. So, any minute details you want to know for some obscure reason you can read on many sources. I am sure there were plenty there in the USA to read. If you cannot find what you want to know I can find you some offshore ones for sure. But none of it matters to the fact that it was done. But I will answer in question you like on the quote. But if you want to veer off topic just admit to the original one being correct and we can diverge from there. So exactly what I thought. You do not have the answers. Do your own homework simply means you do not know and you are not well versed on the situation. I also asked you specifically what conditions and terms TRUMP brokered? Again, you did not answer because you do not know. Name one of these sources in which I can find what TRUMP negotiated between Pakistan and India. I will wait. A simple article name or source will suffice. |
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[Quote: Originally Posted by Raiders22]@DeezyAZ81 If it ‘starts’ on your watch — BUT you did not start it; does it matter. HOWEVER, if you stop it, or at least put a pause to it, do you not think that should earn you some credit.[/Quote No I do not think you should earn some credit because MAGA Republicans claimed that no new wars in the International system started under Trump (verifiably false), which meant he was the peacetime president. Whether the United States actually started the wars or not was not a part of the claim or justification for voting for this fraud again. You did not hold those same standards for Biden, so I do not want to hear that nonsense now. I also argue that Bibi Netty (Israel) got much more violent and emboldened when Trump got in office. Hence why he waited to strike Iran and raise his level of destruction in Gaza once was TACO Trump was in office again. So no, you should not earn some credit for momentarily pausing wars that started when you were president. If so, you better be blaming him for Ukraine-Russian war getting worse by the day, as well as Israel-Palestine violence at Gaza being worse than when he entered office by far. You cannot take credit for wars being paused, and then avoid blame for wars ongoing in the global system. |
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@DeezyAZ81 I think most folks know where Modi stands. He has expressed his gratitude towards Trump quite a few times. As have a few of their leaders. But the more key thing is to look at what the actual folks are saying about it and not really some journalists with an ax to grind, so to speak. I see that you refuse to answer questions. Why is India claiming that no trade deals were discussed and Trump is stating that is what kicked off the ceasefire? Why would India lie about that? I will ask the question again what did Trump specifically do to broker a ceasefire agreement between India and Pakistan? What are the terms of the ceasefire agreement that Trump negotiated? You do not seem to know how to answer these questions or any details surrounding a ceasefire that your boy supposedly brokered. This tells me all I need to know. |
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@DeezyAZ81 Both India and Pakistan did NOT state that. You simply have to give credit to whomever is brokering the peace deal(s). For example: Pakistan has formally recommended US President Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize, citing his “decisive diplomatic intervention” following a spike in violence between India and Pakistan earlier this year. The government praised Trump for leveraging his “pivotal leadership” in May, when several days of cross-border strikes marked the worst regional fighting between the two nuclear-armed nations since 1971, killing dozens and stoking fears of a wider war. I am not sure what to tell someone that does not realize the difference between allowing Iran to have nuclear weapons versus a more peaceful country. Absolutely they can protect their own country (but not necessarily their own interests). But think about how very, very few countries have nuclear weapons just to protect their own countries. There is a vast chasm between allowing Switzerland to have nuclear weapons versus allowing Iran to have them. So, no they did not ‘possess’ nuclear weapons — yet. And that has been the point every time their facilities and scientists and leaders get attacked — for them NOT to possess them. This is not the first time nor likely the last time this has happened. For example: The Indian government on Tuesday disputed U.S. President Donald Trump’s claim that the U.S.-mediated ceasefire between India and Pakistan came about in part because he had offered possible trade concessions. Addressing a weekly news conference, Randhir Jaiswal, the spokesman for India’s foreign ministry, said top leaders in New Delhi and Washington were in touch last week following the Indian military’s intense standoff with Pakistan, but that there was no conversation on trade. “The issue of trade didn’t come up in any of these discussions,” Jaiswal said, referring to the conversations held between U.S. Vice President JD Vance and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, as well as between U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio and his Indian counterpart, S. Jaishankar. Trump said he not only helped mediate the ceasefire, but also offered mediation over the simmering dispute in Kashmir, a Himalayan region that both India and Pakistan claim in entirety but administer in parts. The two nations have fought two wars over Kashmir, which has long been described as the regional nuclear flashpoint. New Delhi also declined Trump’s offer for mediation on Tuesday. “We have a longstanding national position that any issues related to the federally controlled union territory of Jammu and Kashmir must be addressed by India and Pakistan bilaterally. There has been no change to the stated policy,” Jaiswal said.
Someone isn't being honest about this situation. What did Trump specifically do to broker a ceasefire between these adversaries again? By the way, this war started during his administration as well. Not sure how you get credit for ending the war which you were not involved with but not the blame for the war starting on your watch?? |
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@DeezyAZ81 Both India and Pakistan did NOT state that. You simply have to give credit to whomever is brokering the peace deal(s). For example: Pakistan has formally recommended US President Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize, citing his “decisive diplomatic intervention” following a spike in violence between India and Pakistan earlier this year. The government praised Trump for leveraging his “pivotal leadership” in May, when several days of cross-border strikes marked the worst regional fighting between the two nuclear-armed nations since 1971, killing dozens and stoking fears of a wider war. I am not sure what to tell someone that does not realize the difference between allowing Iran to have nuclear weapons versus a more peaceful country. Absolutely they can protect their own country (but not necessarily their own interests). But think about how very, very few countries have nuclear weapons just to protect their own countries. There is a vast chasm between allowing Switzerland to have nuclear weapons versus allowing Iran to have them. So, no they did not ‘possess’ nuclear weapons — yet. And that has been the point every time their facilities and scientists and leaders get attacked — for them NOT to possess them. This is not the first time nor likely the last time this has happened. So what did India say?? India does not agree with Pakistan. So why exactly should I take what Pakistan says to heart but not India??? Hmmm. I do not care what Pakistan recommended. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/india-disputes-trumps-claim-that-u-s-trade-incentives-led-to-ceasefire-with-pakistan Ill go ahead and believe India considering Trump's track record of failing to ignite peace or stop wars (Ukraine-Russia, Iran-Israel, Gaza, Turkish-Kurdish war, the list goes on). You go ahead and fall for Pakistan's version of events though.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
Some good thoughts about Trump and the USA’s help in ending some of the conflicts: President Trump has now brokered an end to yet another war. One that does not always get the headlines. So, we know that President Trump ended a potential nuclear war between India and Pakistan. We know that President Trump ended the Israeli/Iran war that was just going in a terrible direction and now looks headed towards regime change. And with no nuclear weapons for Iran — very important. Now President Trump has ended the Rwandan Congo war. One that goes back years, if not decades. And it is a USA-led ceasefire. Blessed are the peacemakers. President Trump now has his eyes on Israel/Gaza and Russia/Ukraine. Could you imagine if he ends five wars in one year. Joe Biden was starting new wars, not to mention we had a wide-open southern border and a terrible economy. President Trump is ending three wars in a short period of time. Blessed are the peacemakers. Should he get the Noble Peace Prize — I think so.
Russia and Ukraine war is worse than it has ever been. Trump was supposed to end this war after he was elected, actually before he ever entered into office remember (one phone call). After that initial broken promise, he was also supposed to make it end over 2 weeks ago after he "let" the two countries fight in the sandbox in the park for a little. Of course never happened. Israel and Gaza getting worse by the day too. |
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Quote Originally Posted by HayHay2:
@DeezyAZ81 Regardless they have no Nucs, thats the #1 issue but back to your post, no shots have been fired since your comments, now what say you? Only people crying right now is Obama for funding their Nuclear facilities in the tune of 160 Billion in cash. The deposit was delivered in the middle of the night on sod crates since the banks refused to ACH it. Add another 50 Billion plus by Empty Suit. Not good decisions by either but Obama was the King of Terrorism thats a given. Hell, we had 16 terror attacks on U.S. soil ALONE from San Bernardino to Orlando over to Boston. The country lived in fear from Isis his JV team to Allahu Akbar chants across the country ! God Bless America ! I say give it time, it has been less than 24 hours. I also say missiles were being launched three hours after the fake ceasefire supposedly began, which is why Trump was on white house lawn cursing at media and claiming both states were violating the "agreement" and dont know what the "f&ck they are doing". What are the details of this ceasefire agreement? What concessions are being made by each side? Source? When did it start and when does it end? Any word on stopping Israel's continued violence and killing in Gaza? You claim Obama "funded" Iran's nuclear facilities with $160 billion in cash. Please provide a source reflecting this. Without a source, this sounds like a story you were convinced to believe. |
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
Orders is a cute word since Netty could care less what Trump thinks or wants, he is using Trump for weapons and cash and support they need and funny how within an hour of the ORDER there were more sightings of explosions. It is disgusting that Trump enabled Israel this way, what a horrible decision. Bingo. Israel does not follow through on ceasefires. It is comical that Trumpers were supporting Trump's announcement as some type of victory and sign of peace. Even when both of the countries did not even officially agree or confirm any details of a supposed ceasefire. |
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Yeah Trump is losing the few marbles he has left on untruth social because neither country is abiding by the fake ceasefire. Big shocker. The art of No Deal. The fact people celebrated this announcement reflects how clueless MIGA truly is on Middle Eastern affairs. Israel has a long proven track record of violating and ignoring ceasefires. Perhaps you should look into the Gaza situation. By the way Trump's Nobel peace price nomination was withdrawn this morning. |
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Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:
Quote Originally Posted by JEG53: @UNIMAN Must be right wing numbers, the left media has 64% disapprove, has to be a problem here somewhere with this shit. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/06/09/trump-approval-immigration-polling-ice-la-protests/84113509007/ https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/cnn-s-harry-enten-trump-s-approval-rating-on-immigration-has-surged-like-a-rocket/ar-AA1GnPuu Guess you better boycott and label CBS as rightwing now. Here is a more updated poll from Quinnipiac published June 12th, which shows 54% Trump's Disapproval rating on immigration, 56% Disapproval on the Economy and 38% overall approval rating. Uh ohhh. Since I know you like polls all of the sudden. |
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MAGA hero Elon Musk publicly bashes trump and calls for another trump impeachment!
in Politics Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets:
Well Elon Musk has drops one heck of a bomb she’ll in accusing Donald Trump of hiding the Epstein files ! I’ll bet Elon has them ! In the coming day this should for the nation’s sake implode so that MAGA world sees the emperor where no cloth! Trump is a fraud to the 1st degree and Elon losing 34 billion dollars today on Tesla stock is not going to hold back ! Ugly Ugly Ugly Elon leak those Epstein files. Also tell us more about your involvement in the election please.. Magas are extremely quiet today. |
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Trump Campaigned on lowering prices and he's giving us what he promised.. ..
in Penalty Box @Raiders22
@Raiders22 Here are some viewer links at local Safeway here in Phoenix from last week. You can zoom in on image too and look at bottom of yellow tag (Prices good through June 24) to see the prices are current. Right on par with information on dozen large grade eggs from your source Trading Economics and Bureau of Labor Statistics. Do you have any pictures or receipts of dozen eggs at local grocery chains in your city showing those wholesale prices for eggs you are paying at the store? You are right statistics do not lie, you just have ensure you are using the relevant data. https://ibb.co/Lz3BCpD5 |
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Trump Campaigned on lowering prices and he's giving us what he promised.. ..
in Penalty Box @Raiders22 You might want to look at your own "independent source" on egg prices further. Large Grade A dozen eggs (which is what customers generally buy) the latest report is $5.12 per dozen. (April 2025). May report not out yet. This is the exact same number reported by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics for the same time period. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/eggs-grade-a-large-per-doz-in-us-city-average-fed-data.html https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/APU0000708111 (U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics) You might want to scroll down on your own link you provided as well. At the very bottom of the chart see the text " The egg prices refer to the national FOB average prices of white large eggs in wholesale markets, calculated based on the cost of 30-dozen cases of caged shell eggs." |
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