DeezyAZ81

Experts??  You trust "experts" now. Name some of these "experts". I can find experts that claim the Trump regime is radical too. I can also find numerous states in the global system that argue Trump regime and the United States are dangerous and radical. 

To answer your question, I do not support Iran's leadership or government, I simply do not care about them. I do not think the U.S. should be involved in Israel-Iran conflict or affairs to sum up my position. Just like I do not support Bibi's regime, or Putin's regime, or North Korea's regime. We should not be involved, which I thought was the MAGA position considering you cheered no new wars his entire first administration and throughout the 2024 election cycle. In fact, you stressed that getting out and staying out of the Middle East was a huge accomplishment. Now that he got involved in Iran and the region again, that position has mysteriously disappeared and MAGAS flipped flopped. You do not stand for anything. Trump actually wrote make Iran great again. He even sold out his own catch phrase. 

You are making assumptions and guesses about intent. I cannot predict or confirm anyone's intent, nor can you or any "experts". I care about actual action and history. 

You clearly have not done any reading on North Korea and the Kim dynasty or Russia. I cannot believe you actually typed that without knowing NK's history, so no need to delve into that further. You need to brush up on international politics and history, if you are going to attempt to speak on it. Have a great Sunday! 

Did you actually read the link you attached? The source sums up that Trump did nothing to broker ceasefire. It says Vance made a phone call. This link does not say one thing Trump did to mediate between the countries or negotiate a ceasefire. Does not even say Trump made a phone call. Says nothing about anything that Trump actually did. This does not support anything you claim about the situation. Explain why India states Trump was not involved and did not mediate anything. That is odd considering you claim India is "fond" of Trump. 

 I understand what Trump claims. However, India and Pakistan do not support his claims. In fact, India publicly stated what he said is untrue. I am showing you specific sources stating this. You have not shown me or named a single source that backs up what Trump stated from officials in India or Pakistan. I see Pakistan said the U.S. was involved and helped facilitate but gave no specifics and did not support his story about the trade situation publicly at all. It's almost like Trump might be lying. 

Well of course you disagree, you are a MAGA and unwavering rah rah Trump guy. No one says that Trump is the face of the mediating party except for you and Trump himself. Legit no one from India or Pakistan stated this about the ceasefire. Secondly, this ceasefire was almost immediately violated. 

Are you actually being serious??? Do you do any reading of current events?? I can post these situations separately but Ill start with Russia/Ukraine.

1. Trump stopped intelligence sharing with Ukraine in March enhancing the ability for Russia to escalate the war and attempt to gain more territory.

2. Trump froze all military aid in Ukraine as well in March also driving up the attacks on Ukraine and making violence worse. 

3. Trump meets with Putin and Saudi Crown Prince to discuss Ukraine-Russia conflict to "negotiate" an end to the war without Ukraine representation ever present. 

4. At G7 Summit Trump blocked initiatives to lower the price cap on Russian oil, which could have limited Russian revenues as sanctions to reduce the states ability to fund aggression. 

These are four things right off the bat, but there are many more. 

Why should I answer your questions when you do not answer mine? I assume you are trying to make the analogy that Iran is this fictitious radical person??? What makes Iran more radical than Trump (U.S.), Putin (Russia), Israel (Bibi), or Jong-Un (North Korea)? Who defines what being radical in the international system is? Each of these state actors can be considered radical too then because they each show aggressive behavior towards others individually and at the state level as consistent threats towards others (even killing state actors in their own countries and abroad). Yet, each is permitted to develop and possess nukes. So some states and actors can act radically and threaten others and attack others but some states simply cannot? That is the position you hold? That is laughable sir.  

Does Aljazeera work for you as a source??? Hmmm. This seems to directly contradict what you expressed about the ceasefire mediation and Modi. Again name a source that describes Trumps involvement in the ceasefire and the conditions brokered by Trump from a source or journalist without an "ax to grind" so to speak. 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/18/indias-modi-maintains-there-was-no-us-mediation-in-pakistan-ceasefire

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has made it clear to United States President Donald Trump that a ceasefire between India and Pakistan after a four-day conflict in May was achieved through talks between the two militaries and not US mediation, a top diplomat in New Delhi says.

“PM Modi told President Trump clearly that during this period, there was no talk at any stage on subjects like India-U.S. trade deal or US mediation between India and Pakistan,” Indian Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri said in a press statement on Wednesday.

So exactly what I thought. You do not have the answers. Do your own homework simply means you do not know and you are not well versed on the situation. I also asked you specifically what conditions and terms TRUMP brokered? Again, you did not answer because you do not know. Name one of these sources in which I can find what TRUMP negotiated between Pakistan and India. I will wait. A simple article name or source will suffice.  

[Quote: Originally Posted by Raiders22]@DeezyAZ81  If it ‘starts’ on your watch — BUT you did not start it; does it matter.   HOWEVER, if you stop it, or at least put a pause to it, do you not think that should earn you some credit.[/Quote

No I do not think you should earn some credit because MAGA Republicans claimed that no new wars in the International system started under Trump (verifiably false), which meant he was the peacetime president. Whether the United States actually started the wars or not was not a part of the claim or justification for voting for this fraud again. You did not hold those same standards for Biden, so I do not want to hear that nonsense now. I also argue that Bibi Netty (Israel) got much more violent and emboldened when Trump got in office. Hence why he waited to strike Iran and raise his level of destruction in Gaza once was TACO Trump was in office again. 

So no, you should not earn some credit for momentarily pausing wars that started when you were president. If so, you better be blaming him for Ukraine-Russian war getting worse by the day, as well as Israel-Palestine violence at Gaza being worse than when he entered office by far. You cannot take credit for wars being paused, and then avoid blame for wars ongoing in the global system. Nice try though. 

I see that you refuse to answer questions. Why is India claiming that no trade deals were discussed and Trump is stating that is what kicked off the ceasefire? Why would India lie about that? I will ask the question again what did Trump specifically do to broker a ceasefire agreement between India and Pakistan? What are the terms of the ceasefire agreement that Trump negotiated? You do not seem to know how to answer these questions or any details surrounding a ceasefire that your boy supposedly brokered.  This tells me all I need to know. 

For example:

The Indian government on Tuesday disputed U.S. President Donald Trump’s claim that the U.S.-mediated ceasefire between India and Pakistan came about in part because he had offered possible trade concessions.

Addressing a weekly news conference, Randhir Jaiswal, the spokesman for India’s foreign ministry, said top leaders in New Delhi and Washington were in touch last week following the Indian military’s intense standoff with Pakistan, but that there was no conversation on trade.

“The issue of trade didn’t come up in any of these discussions,” Jaiswal said, referring to the conversations held between U.S. Vice President JD Vance and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, as well as between U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio and his Indian counterpart, S. Jaishankar.
The escalating hostilities between the nuclear-armed rivals threatened regional peace, leading to calls by world leaders to cool down tempers.

Trump said he not only helped mediate the ceasefire, but also offered mediation over the simmering dispute in Kashmir, a Himalayan region that both India and Pakistan claim in entirety but administer in parts. The two nations have fought two wars over Kashmir, which has long been described as the regional nuclear flashpoint.

New Delhi also declined Trump’s offer for mediation on Tuesday.

“We have a longstanding national position that any issues related to the federally controlled union territory of Jammu and Kashmir must be addressed by India and Pakistan bilaterally. There has been no change to the stated policy,” Jaiswal said.

Someone isn't being honest about this situation. What did Trump specifically do to broker a ceasefire between these adversaries again? By the way, this war started during his administration as well. Not sure how you get credit for ending the war which you were not involved with but not the blame for the war starting on your watch?? 

So what did India say?? India does not agree with Pakistan. So why exactly should I take what Pakistan says to heart but not India??? Hmmm. I do not care what Pakistan recommended. His latest formal nomination for a Nobel Peace Prize (which was a joke to begin with), was rescinded after he launched air strikes on Iran. He will not be getting one. I know tough break for you Trumpers.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/india-disputes-trumps-claim-that-u-s-trade-incentives-led-to-ceasefire-with-pakistan

Ill go ahead and believe India considering Trump's track record of failing to ignite peace or stop wars (Ukraine-Russia, Iran-Israel, Gaza, Turkish-Kurdish war, the list goes on). You go ahead and fall for Pakistan's version of events though. 

Trump never cared about Iran possessing nuclear materials or nuclear weapons. If he did, he would not have withdrawn from the Iranian nuclear agreement during his first administration (which was essential for monitoring the program and limiting enrichment capabilities). You are getting played and are simply gullible. This is about cozying up to Netty and looking to expand Trump's own financial interests. Secondly, the U.S. nor Israel possess any right in terms of telling countries if they can or cannot possess nuclear weapons. Why should Israel have nuclear weapons, or North Korea, or China, but Iran cannot? There is no real justification for it. You should read Kenneth Waltz "Why Iran Should get the Bomb" (2012). It may broaden your thought process, although I doubt it. 

You are giving credit for ending wars that started under Trump's watch???  Wow what a breakdown! India and Pakistan also both stated Trump and trade had nothing to do with their ceasefire (This war also started under Trump). 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/india-disputes-trumps-claim-that-u-s-trade-incentives-led-to-ceasefire-with-pakistan

Russia and Ukraine war is worse than it has ever been. Trump was supposed to end this war after he was elected, actually before he ever entered into office remember (one phone call). After that initial broken promise, he was also supposed to make it end over 2 weeks ago after he "let" the two countries fight in the sandbox in the park for a little. Of course never happened. Israel and Gaza getting worse by the day too. 

Sorry your boy is not getting a Nobel Peace Prize, which is why his nomination was rescinded last week. Like your boy Pete Kegsbreath said in Qatar "We are in the business of war fighting". Hardly, a statement or mission for global peace, rather an advocation for more wars. 

By the way any confirmation from anyone in the intelligence community that Iran possesses nuclear weapons? I mean DNI Gabbard continuously explained Iran was nowhere near developing nuke weapon capabilities. Any confirmed location of Iran's nuclear stockpile yet?   Why is it essential Iran does not have nuclear weapons? They cannot protect their own country and interests like the rest of the world? 

I say give it time, it has been less than 24 hours. I also say missiles were being launched three hours after the fake ceasefire supposedly began, which is why Trump was on white house lawn cursing at media and claiming both states were violating the "agreement" and dont know what the "f&ck they are doing". What are the details of this ceasefire agreement? What concessions are being made by each side? Source? When did it start and when does it end? Any word on stopping Israel's continued violence and killing in Gaza? 

You claim Obama "funded" Iran's nuclear facilities with $160 billion in cash. Please provide a source reflecting this. Without a source, this sounds like a story you were convinced to believe. 

Bingo. Israel does not follow through on ceasefires. It is comical that Trumpers were supporting Trump's announcement as some type of victory and sign of peace. Even when both of the countries did not even officially agree or confirm any details of a supposed ceasefire. 

Yeah Trump is losing the few marbles he has left on untruth social because neither country is abiding by the fake ceasefire. Big shocker. The art of No Deal. The fact people celebrated this announcement reflects how clueless MIGA truly is on Middle Eastern affairs. Israel has a long proven track record of violating and ignoring ceasefires. Perhaps you should look into the Gaza situation. By the way Trump's Nobel peace price nomination was withdrawn this morning. 

Here is a more updated poll from Quinnipiac published June 12th, which shows 54% Trump's Disapproval rating on immigration, 56% Disapproval on the Economy and 38% overall approval rating. Uh ohhh. Since I know you like polls all of the sudden. 

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-approval-rating-polls-issues-2084497

Elon leak those Epstein files. Also tell us more about your involvement in the election please.. Magas are extremely quiet today. 

@Raiders22

@Raiders22

 Here are some viewer links at local Safeway here in Phoenix from last week. You can zoom in on image too and look at bottom of yellow tag (Prices good through June 24) to see the prices are current. Right on par with information on dozen large grade eggs from your source Trading Economics and Bureau of Labor Statistics. Do you have any pictures or receipts of dozen eggs at local grocery chains in your city showing those wholesale prices for eggs you are paying at the store? You are right statistics do not lie, you just have ensure you are using the relevant data. 

https://ibb.co/BHCLVCgW

https://ibb.co/Lz3BCpD5

@Raiders22

 You might want to look at your own "independent source" on egg prices further.  Large Grade A dozen eggs (which is what customers generally buy) the latest report is $5.12 per dozen. (April 2025). May report not out yet. This is the exact same number reported by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics for the same time period. 

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/eggs-grade-a-large-per-doz-in-us-city-average-fed-data.html

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/APU0000708111 (U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics) 

You might want to scroll down on your own link you provided as well. At the very bottom of the chart see the text " The egg prices refer to the national FOB average prices of white large eggs in wholesale markets, calculated based on the cost of 30-dozen cases of caged shell eggs."

This is the wholesale price of eggs paid by the retailer (Grocery Store or Costco) by the truckload. This is NOT the price we as American consumers pay at the grocery store. The report links I attached are actually what we pay. So your chart has no relevance to what we are paying as consumers at the grocery store. Nice effort though. You tried the good old Trump tactic of using wholesale prices, which customers do not pay, unless you own the grocery store.  
I would attach pictures of egg prices at local Safeway here from last week but this site does not allow it. All dozen eggs were actually higher than the national average for April, so right on par with the data. Lastly, American Presidents do not do anything to control egg prices. Legitimately, nothing.