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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
@DeezyAZ81 It's funny, first you said no reputable news sources were reporting any of this. Now essentially all news sources are reporting on this. Even the likes of CNN and BBC. Now you’re going with, "...but Candace Owens and Steve Bannon, and Grok AI say it's fake." Let me guess. Candace Owens thinks it's all a Mossad conspiracy, right? I really don't give a shit one way or the other. The loss of life is tragic. The circumstances particularly heinous but i'm not a Charlie Kirk fan, and I have no real interest in this story other than talking about it with you guys. So i'm more than happy to wait and see. I just find it comical that many left leaning people have been jumping through hoops to have this kid be anything except someone resembling a liberal. And for the record, i'm not equating gay and liberal. I'm just amused by the defense being played.
This is satire right??? |
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Supposed Tyler Robinson text message, "My love, I was going to take this killing to the grave, but look under my keyboard for a note I've left detailing my plans to take Charlie Kirk out!" You right wing MAGA nuts believe anything presented to you as long as it aligns with your feelings and narratives. Hilarious that anyone believes this and MAGA Utah authorities actually presented this as possible evidence. |
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You legit can copy and paste the supposed Tyler Robinson and "roommate" text conversation into Grok AI and it reports them as likely fake based on available information and findings in the investigation that does not align with what is written. |
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by unplucked_gem: @StumpTownStu "Now you’re getting into falsified evidence then. Now we're getting into the realm of conspiracy." Like the whole part about messages related to the grandfather's rifle and the grandfather calling the dad about seeing it on the news. That'd be the most elaborate and transparent set up. But hey this administration is wildly incompetent so anything is possible. This is the thing. The messages were released to the press, from law enforcement. This is the way info from active investigations gets out. Info regarding text messages usually come from phone dumps. So eitherthe shooter, and his roommate/lover had this text exchange as a diversion, or law enforcement is literally falsifying evidence. I have always been a "most likely scenario is probably correct" type of guy. If the text exchange was a diversion, from what. It doesn't help the killers case. It makes him sound callous. So what? Are we to believe law enforcement just made it up? All this talk about reserved judgements. Waitng until the trial? When has that ever been the norm on this site? If the "groyper" narrative was true, if the hoops people were jumping through to link him to his family's conservative values actually panned out, would we be waiting until a trial to reserve judgenent? Probably not. At the end of the day, I never made any of this a liberal vs conservative thing. I simply linked him to the LGBTQ+ community. People can make whatever political equivalencies from that they choose. The text messages are so bad even Steve Bannon and Candice Owens are calling them fake. The roommate (still not convinced a lover or trans) is legitimately in a part of a discord, 4chan, alt-right community, trolling law enforcement right now. This is about to get good when this is proven to be all fake. Kash will be fired by the weekend or at least before this gets to trial. By the way when are those Epstein files getting released? ![]() |
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@StumpTownStu]Q You're addicted to the soap opera. You think it's real life. Tou think it's necessary for you to along. It’s not. I don't watch the soap opera. I haven't for quite some time. And i'm no less informed because of it.[/Quote]
Not at all. I think it is comical though. This is not even a well written piece of fiction. It's actually diabolical. Let's see what the trial looks like. Im expecting Stefano from Days of Our Lives to make an appearance. |
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
@DeezyAZ81 No where did I say the shooter was left leaning. I said he was a member of the LGBTQ+ community. Not necessarily you but all of the other right wingers in this thread and the entire American right community sure is. Robinson right after killing Charlie Kirk to his trans woman lover roommmate who radicalized him, "My dad has really been hardcore maga since the election." |
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: @DeezyAZ81 As gem said just a moment ago, as I said a day or two ago, if it quacks like a duck, and acts like a duck, it probably self-identifies as a duck. And the chickens are coming home to roost but there's but the fox is in the hen house. Definitely have to wait before anything can be said definitively but this all looks pretty cut and dry. If the texts are coming from the authorities, they probably came from a phone dump, and are real. That doesn't mean they can't be staged, so to speak. Yeah nothing is quacking to me but carry on. Have not even confirmed it's the same person. For all I know, this roomate/lover does not exist. He sure was not named today. Secondly, he went from a trans woman to just a gay dude in like 24 hours that likes to dress up as mascots. None of this shit is acting or identifying as a duck, unless he is at a furry $uckfest. Do not even know if texts came from authorities. If they are from Kash Patel, he probably wrote them himself. Secondly, no idea what the roommates gender identity/sexual orientation has to do with anything. Considering he did not even supposedly know that Robinson's father was MAGA prior to assassination day, it does not appear they knew each other very well. Not enough to be politically radicalized by him obviously, if something as simple as that wasn't known. Again zero evidence of Robinson being left leaning lib, or a Democrat. Legit nothing tying him to any left ideology. Hating Charlie Kirk is not simply left leaning, hell Nick Fuentes hated Kirk too and he is about extreme white Christian nationalist right as they come. |
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Couple of house keeping notes. There was a lot talked around here about how Republicans are go gullible, they'll believe anything. And when the conservative here are wrong, they never admit it. And @uniman was personally called out for some reason, even though he is one of the more rational, and more center posters on this site. And @Deezy made a good point about, paraphrasing, not trusting something until there is actually something there to trust. Named sources, concrete info, etc. I even had to check myself, as I had got carried away based on a picture that wasn't even of the shooter. So now it's time to circle back around and swt the record straight. EVERYTHING WAS PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY AS IT WAS PREVIOUSLY REPORTED. Tyler Robinson IS a member of the LGBTQ+ community. He was in a relationship with his "roommate", a gay male, who, at least to some, seems to be in the early stages of transitioning. This did seem to factor into his motive based on reports of their correspondence. Now to be fair, his exact words were, "he's tired of the hate." So it doesn't have to necessarily be LGBTQ hate he was referring to. That is just the most logical conclusion. At least we can put to bed this narrative that he was actually just so ultra right wing, like Nick Fuentes right, that he decided to kill Charlie Kirk for not being right enough. This is what you gathered from today??? Not me. I guess that is your interpretation. I know I did not see or hear the AG name a trans woman named Lance Triggs as the lover or roommate today. If you can refer to the quote, I would like to see it. Again, no evidence at all of that this lover-partner relationship exists besides an AG quoting a text exchange, which does not even appear to be real to me. First off, 22 year olds do not speak like that in a chain. Secondly, Tyler Robinson just happened to put in a text message after he killed Kirk that day that "since trump got into office [my dad] has been pretty diehard maga." ![]() Pretty sure we have not had a trial either so not sure how you gathered anything as proof. The AG even said everything is alleged including the text messages. No mention of either roommate being trans or gay in the text exchange either. Nothing said from Robinson about pursuing Kirk because he was tired of his hate for LGBTQ+, gays, or trans anywhere in this exchange. Seems to be a reach to me. Whole story does not add up. Robinson's own mother is the only one all of the sudden who she noticed a change toward the left and pro LGBTQ+ and trans over the last year or so. Seems pretty convenient and has not been backed by anyone else including friends, family, neighbors, classmates. After what I read and heard today, I am even more confident that it is all BS and some very poorly written fiction. Trial should be interesting. I know this only makes me more suspicious. Let's wait until the trial and what is proven in court before we start gloating in here. ![]() |
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@StumpTownStu Kids definitely share pictures and memes all over discord today, especially in gaming communities. Not saying it proves or disproves anything. That is my point is that we do not actually have any verified information, pics, interviews, testimony from anyone that can be confirmed by anyone with a name. The stories are starting from interviews with unnamed, supposed family members and unnamed law enforcement officials supposedly. I agree that wait and see that is why this story about a trans-roomie lover that no one can verify seems pretty absurd and unbelievable. It also seems irrelevant to the crime and Robinson's motivation since there is zero manifesto indicating an ideology or purpose and he is not speaking to authorities. |
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@StumpTownStu I've been with for 17 years and there aren't videos of us online. And few pictures. That is a few more pictures than can be found with Robinson and the trans woman lover named Lance Twiggs together who apparently live together too. It's not just that, none of their friends in their discord and gaming communities that know both them has confirmed they are partners either. Even if you and yours do not have an extensive online footprint together, I am quite certain that many of your friends could confirm you are together. |
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[Quote: Originally Posted by UNIMAN]@DeezyAZ81 Why don't you stop attacking me and attack the subject Why the "fixation" of sexual preference? I'll let NEWSWEEK answer that simple question; https://www.newsweek.com/tyler-robinson-roommate-transgender-2129832 Tyler Robinson, the man accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk, lived with a romantic partner who is transgender and cooperating with authorities, Utah Governor Spencer Cox has said. You might want to read the title of the Article you attached here as well. It straight up says ALLEGED trans partner. Meaning no one can even verify this not authorities, not the governor, not Fox News. Don't you find it pretty odd that there are no pictures of Robinson with this ALLEGED partner anywhere online? No videos together, no one saw them at a local Chili's together, nothing? No named sources. Just unnamed this, unnamed that. Never any known witnesses, friends nothing. Yes, totally believable though I guess. |
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Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:
@DeezyAZ81 Why don't you stop attacking me and attack the subject Why the "fixation" of sexual preference? I'll let NEWSWEEK answer that simple question; https://www.newsweek.com/tyler-robinson-roommate-transgender-2129832 Tyler Robinson, the man accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk, lived with a romantic partner who is transgender and cooperating with authorities, Utah Governor Spencer Cox has said. WHY IT MATTERS Robinson's political views have been at the center of debate since the 22-year-old's arrest on Friday, two days after the fatal shooting of Kirk. The conservative founder of Turning Point USA was killed as he spoke at Utah Valley University on September 10. The killing is the latest in a string of attacks that have targeted members of both major parties. It is about motive. What drove this pinhead to kill a man who just talks?? Was it the people who call Kirk extremist? Was it those labeling him a racist for his believing the Civils Rights Act has been misused? Or maybe those who say the word Facist in every sentence. Was it politicans who scream Nazi? Or those who demand we take to the streets to save democracy? Or maybe those who idolize murders who shoot a CEO in the back and create go-fund-me's as support? I say; ALL OF THE ABOVE. Good thing for everyone that what you say matters very little in terms of establishing motive or the set of facts. Interesting that Kash Patel, the incompetent FBI Director leading the investigation revealed certain findings today like a short letter about Robinson conveying a desire to take Kirk out and taking the opportunity today but nothing mentioned about this fictitious trans lover roommate that Fox News, the New York Post, Newsweek, and Utah Gov ran with with zero evidence or facts. I wonder why that is. It's almost like its irrelevant and likely BS. |
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Quote Originally Posted by unplucked_gem:
@DeezyAZ81 "This has to satire right? Uniman or any other far right covers member in this forum like yourself has never been wrong about anything" Those are your words. These are my words (in this thread) "I turned out to be wrong" Semantics, sure. Clear as day literally, absolutely I was implying that your right wing mentality and biases sound the same. 1) not how it read 2) not how I identify, register, or vote So, a perception that you created (and are entitled to). Not sure why you replied since you claim you are not Uniman and not a member of the far right. I do agree that you turned out to be wrong as you state. |
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Quote Originally Posted by unplucked_gem:
Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by unplucked_gem: #338 Also so me anything on this site I've said about any Lance outside Mr. Armstrong. I asked you first. Once you provide your links and threads, I will honor your request. I may have assumed you and Uniman are one in the same. If I made that mistake, apologies. OK fair, see #319 of this thread. Your turn. Also the second part of your post is slanderous especially as covers logs IPs I was specifically asking where Uniman ever made the statement that he was wrong about anything political. However, I did mention any other poster on the far right, which you obviously identify yourself as, which is apparent in your reference to post #319 about you being wrong about Justin Fields. Again not political so not really on topic. I was not meaning it to slander you by saying you were the same person. I was implying that your right wing mentality and biases sound the same. I had you and Uniman and the Lance Triggs discussion intertwined. A lot of information coming out today from the authorities and still know mention or statement of Lance Triggs or any trans partner, which again does not matter. |
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
@DeezyAZ81 Just did some digging. The picture I saw has been identified as a different dude altogether. That's why it hasn't been circulated. Yeah that figures. There is so much misinformation out there, it makes it very difficult to decipher without some deep dives without the authorities actually releasing any concrete information, images, or details. There was even a rumor that the shooter was someone Kirk had debated at a college campus out there in a video, which also had to be debunked (Dude looked nothing like Robinson other than dark hair). Something released by authorities today that the only written words in a recovered note from Robinson said something like Opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, I must take the opportunity. Paraphrasing, cannot remember exact quote. There is no leftist manifesto or anything revealed yet from the actual shooter. Clearly, he is a sociopath regardless or political leanings (if any) or ideology to actually act on this. Apparently, he will not talk to any authorities, so it is possible that we never truly know the motivation, other than he obviously carried hateful feelings toward Kirk. |
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Quote Originally Posted by unplucked_gem:
#338 Also so me anything on this site I've said about any Lance outside Mr. Armstrong. I asked you first. Once you provide your links and threads, I will honor your request. I may have assumed you and Uniman are one in the same. If I made that mistake, apologies. |
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: @DeezyAZ81 Definitely not sure they are lovers. My whole basis of all of this was one picture I saw posted in a subreddit on Friday. What jumped out at me was the presence of a trans flag in edition to the traditional pride flag. Many recognize a pride flag. A lot less would recognize a trans flag but I do. Since he in no way looks trans, I assumed someone in his sphere of influence must be. Then I started to see reports of a lover in the early stages of transition. Here is the rub, no pun intended. Unless someone identifies themselves, someone in the early stages on transition, a gender fluid person, or just a twink, can all look exactly the same. And this is Utah we're talking about. It could very well be that an effeminate gay man, to the people of that community, looks like what they would assume a trans person would be. Who knows but i'm of the believe that if it quacks like a duck, if it acts like a duck, if it "identifies"... If the reports were that there was a roommate, that they were both 22, that there was some form of romantic relationship, this Lance person was his roommate, is 22, ands look to be somewhere one the homosexual spectrum. He's not some big butch bear. He's not just a regular looking kid like Tyler. I don't know how anyone can look at the pictures being circulated and say there's no way this Lance character could be considered as someone in the early stages of transitioning. Not to mention, given how unfamiliar that community is with that stuff. Not only that community but older generations in general. I'm from the Bay. If I saw that kid, I wouldn't immediately think trans. I would think it's just an effeminate gay dude. If my dad saw him, he would probably think he was trying to be a chick. I am assuming we have seen very different pictures. I have not seen a single picture of Tyler or Lance Triggs with a trans or pride flag. Are you sure that is a real photo? That is not one I have seen anywhere and I have been digging. Genuinely curious. Ive seen Tyler's pics from his childhood and teenage years with this family with long rifles and at restaurants with this father wearing blue lives matter t-shirts. Only pics Ive seen of Triggs were him in a sweatshirt and pants, in a hat with gaming headset on, and with him dressed in a furry onesie. I have members in my family that are young gamers (and straight with GFs) that dress in hats, sweatshirts, and sweatpants similar to the pics Ive seen (They are not furries though haha). To me just looks like an antisocial nerd, but does not scream gay or trans, maybe a virgin? That is my perspective of course. I think we all have our biases when we see an image or someone that aligns with our views of possibly being gay but I don't get that from Triggs. I guess we will see. I am guessing from retractions that are coming out, even from Fox that this angle is bullshit to distract an audience. ![]() |
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Quote Originally Posted by unplucked_gem:
@DeezyAZ81 #330. We'll see. History on covers shows if he's wrong he'll say "your right, my bad" and when you're wrong it'll be quiet. But that talk in and of itself is noise cause above all else, shouldn't have been shot by anyone. Please link any thread or post # in the politics forum in which Uniman has said this about anything. I'll wait. This is pure comedy. |
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Quote Originally Posted by unplucked_gem:
@DeezyAZ81 #330. We'll see. History on covers shows if he's wrong he'll say "your right, my bad" and when you're wrong it'll be quiet. But that talk in and of itself is noise cause above all else, shouldn't have been shot by anyone. This has to satire right? Uniman or any other far right covers member in this forum like yourself has never been wrong about anything. Like the 2020 election being rigged, January 6th, Matty Venmo Gaetz, I could go on and on of course. But I realize you must be joking. |
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[Quote: Originally Posted by StumpTownStu]Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: @DeezyAZ81 Have you seen pictures of this Lance character? After you mentioned him, I googled him. Very twinkish. He looks like someone in the early stages of transitioning. I think Lance and the "trans lover" are one and the same. Doesn't matter to me, as I don't have a dog in this race but it will be interesting to see what details come out. Yes he is nerdy, furry, gamer who has been actively trolling law enforcement on social media and discord all weekend. He is legitimately messing with the right and probably looking for a lawsuit. Fox again is already walking back his name (last night) because maybe someone told their outlet, they are being duped intentionally. That is why the network is now saying unnamed after throwing his name out there on Saturday and claiming he is boyfriend instead. Again, I am unsure of how a roommate or lover (regardless of orientation) would have any more influence than a family the shooter grew up with his entire life. You don't know how a lover has more influence over a young man than a lover? Are you serious? This can't be a serious statement.[/Quote> You sure he is lover? How long have they been together? Yes. I am dead serious. You realize family members (specifically parents) are the most influential political socialization agents of a young person. This is proven. You think Tyler's upbringing of 20 years with his Republican, conservative family, which put guns in his hands at 10 years old was thrown out with 1 semester of college or a very recent relationship, which no one can substantiate? Clearly, his recent unsupported relationship did not seem to shift his opinion or upbringing regarding gun use. |
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