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replied to Car buying.............is it unrealistic...... in General Discussion Mugg- Most good salesmen will call you back, period. Even if the price that you offered would put their vehichle "in the ditch" ( no profit or even a loss ) . The bottom line is that the dealership lost this battle when they quoted you a price of $21K and then switched you over to payment options. In the car business, the first one that speaks about price is the loser. Weather it is the customer or the dealer. Sounds to me like this is a "payment" store and not a "trade difference" or "bottom line" store. If this store has more than $16K in this Xterra and is asking $21K, then the sales manager or whoever is responsible for it being on the lot doesn't know a lot about car sales. Castor has some very valid points about the car business but it sounds to me like he is at a store that has been around for awhile and has a lot of return and referral business. Some stores that are fairly new or that are not well known probably are struggling more than they expected when they got into this business. Established stores with good salespeople and good SM and GM should always have few problems selling vehichles. But back to your $16K offer, sure they may have laughed at that offer but who really knows what this ride is worth. I learned a long time ago that ANY vehichle is worth what someone will pay for it. NADA or any other book that publishes prices on cars will never be "on the money" for every ride. Too many variables to consider. I once saw one of my SM throw a NADA book on the floor after a customer said that the book says the car is worth so much and he said, "Book ! Book ! What is this car worth? See sir, books don't buy and sell cars every day like we do." In essence he was saying that the people in the car business should know what a vehicle is worth in their particular area just a tad more than some book. Most dealers use NADA books as a reference and not as a " fixed " value. And as for the payment strategy that they tried on you, it is good for the dealership. Well, at least for the finance dept. Sales could care less how a customer pays. It is like robbing from Peter to pay Paul but that is the way car dealerships are run. I always got tired of hassling with my parts dept. over prices on after market accesories. Just never made much sense to me. So, if the dealership does not call you back, then they obviously don't want your business or at least that is what they think. Because every store should want ANY business. I wouuld just guess that you could buy this Xterra for $17,500 or $18 if this store has close to $16K in it. If they did have that much in it, they would be stupid not to take this deal. One last option to you would be to go into the store late in the month (on the last Wednesday if possible ) See if you can get a look at the sales board with X's on it. Most dealers will have a box on eevrey salesman's name that is colored in fully. For instance if I set a goal for a guy to sell 20 in a month then the 20 box is shaded in. If the X's on most of the guys are no where near the shaded area, then they will (should ) be ready to negotiate moreso than before. Bottom line is, if you don't feel comfortable buying this Xterra, then don't do it. I would definitely not reccomend it and if you do end up buying it, take a good long look at ANY warranty that the manufacturer may sstill have on it on take two long looks at ANY extended service plan that they offer. Hope some of this helps. Good luck. View Post \| View Thread	THEMUGG	75	January 24, 2009 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic RIDDLE FOR YOU INTELLECTUALS in General Discussion Here is a riddle for the true intellectual. Try to come up with the answer on your own. The answer is at the end for those who are unable to think this one through : At the exact same time, there are two 35 year old men on opposite sides of the earth . One is walking a tight rope between two skyscrapers. The other is getting 'oral pleasure' from an 85 year old toothless woman. They are both thinking the exact same thing. What are they both thinking????? Don't look down. Don't look down. Don't look down. View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	7	January 22, 2009 View Post \| View Thread
replied to CFB BOWL SELECTIONS in College Football 2008-09 BOWL GAMES 3-1-1 / 75% / +4.9 UNITS SIDES - 2-0 / 100% / +5 UNITS TOTALS - 1-1-1 / 50% / -.1 UNITS * Dec. 21st - New Orleans Bowl - New Orleans, La. - Troy -4x ( 1 Unit ) - - Under 55 ( 2 Units ) - View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	4	December 21, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic CFB BOWL SELECTIONS in College Football OVERALL BOWL GAMES 71-45-1 / 61% / +65.53 UNITS SIDES - 38-19-1 / 67% / +44.1 UNITS TOTALS - 25-17 / 60% / +13.4 UNITS ML - 8-9 / 47% / +8.03 UNITS 2004-05 BOWL GAMES 18-12 / 60% / +16.8 UNITS SIDES - 10-4 / 71% / +11 UNITS TOTALS - 6-6 / 48% / +3.8 UNITS ML - 2-2 / 50% / +2 UNITS 2005-06 BOWL GAMES 21-16 / 57% / +18.45 UNITS SIDES - 12-6 / 67% / +19.7 UNITS TOTALS - 5-6 / 46% / -6.5 UNITS ML - 4-4 / 50% / +5.25 UNITS 2006-07 BOWL GAMES 19-10 / 56% / +15.78 UNITS SIDES - 9-5 / 64% / +4.2 UNITS TOTALS - 8-2 / 80% / +10.8 UNITS ML - 2-3 / 40% / +.78 UNITS 2007-08 BOWL GAMES 14-8-1 / 64% / +13.3 UNITS SIDES - 8-4-1 / 67% / +10.2 UNITS TOTALS - 6-4 / 57% / +3.1 UNITS * Dec. 20th - Eagle Bank Bowl - Washington D.C. * - Wake Forest -3 ( 2 Units ) - * Dec. 20th - New Mexico Bowl * - Colorado St. +2x ( 3 Units ) - - Under 59x ( 1 Unit ) - * Dec. 20th - St. Petersburg Bowl - St. Petersburg, Fla. * - Over 55 ( 1 Unit ) - * Dec. 20th - Las Vegas Bowl - Las Vegas, Nev. * - Under 59 ( 1 Unit ) - View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	4	December 20, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic CFB BOWL PREDICTIONS in College Football Eagle Bank Bowl Wake Forest - 26 Navy - 17 New Mexico Bowl Fresno St. - 24 Colorado St. - 28 St. Petersburg Bowl South Florida -37 Memphis - 28 Las Vegas Bowl Arizona -26 BYU - 24 New Orleans Bowl Troy - 23 Southern Mississippi - 14 Poinsettia Bowl TCU - 26 Boise St. - 25 Hawaii Bowl Hawaii - 41 Notre Dame - 31 Motor City Bowl C. Michigan - 37 FAU - 27 Meineke Car Care Bowl North Carolina - 24 West Virginia - 20 Champ Sports Bowl Florida St. - 17 Wisconsin - 21 Emerald Bowl California - 27 Miami (FL) - 28 Independence Bowl Louisiana Tech -24 N. Illinois - 20 Papajohns.com Bowl Rutgers - 27 N. Carolina St. - 26 Alamo Bowl Missouri - 44 Northwestern - 35 Humanitarian Bowl Nevada - 20 Maryland - 35 Texas Bowl Rice - 35 W. Michigan - 26 Holiday Bowl Oklahoma St. - 44 Oregon - 38 Armed Forces Bowl Houston - 31 Air Force - 33 Sun Bowl Oregon - 33 Pittsburgh - 34 Music City Bowl Boston College - 24 Vanderbilt - 27 Insight Bowl Minnesota - 21 Kansas - 30 Chick-fil-A Bowl LSU - 37 Georgia Tech - 45 Outback Bowl Iowa - 21 South Carolina - 14 Capital One Bowl Michigan St. - 20 Georgia - 35 Gator Bowl Clemson - 30 Nebraska - 27 Rose Bowl Penn St. - 17 USC - 38 Orange Bowl Virginia Tech - 17 Cincinnati - 20 Cotton Bowl Mississippi - 24 Texas Tech - 43 Liberty Bowl E. Carolina - 23 Kentucky - 20 Sugar Bowl Utah - 17 Alabama - 27 International Bowl Buffalo - 20 UConn - 17 Fiesta Bowl Ohio St. - 20 Texas - 27 GMAC Bowl Ball St. - 31 Tulsa - 30 BCS Chapionship Florida- 33 Oklahoma - 40 View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	1	December 11, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic COVERS TOP 10 & TOP 3 HEISMAN RESULTS ( WEEK 14 ) in College Football TOP 10 Rnk .. *Tm ............ W-L* ...... ( 1st ) .... Pts ..... Prvs** 1. Alabama .......... 12-0 ....... ( 9 ) ..... 148 ......... 1 2. Oklahoma ........ 11-1 ....... ( 2 ) ..... 139 ......... 4 3. Texas .............. 11-1 ....... ( 1 ) ..... 136 ......... 3 4. Florida ............ 11-1 ....... ( 5 ) ..... 135 ......... 2 5. USC ................. 10-1 ................... 107 ......... 5 6. Penn St. .......... 11-1 .................... 69 .......... 7 7. Texas Tech ...... 11-1 .................... 68 .......... 6 8. Utah ................ 12-0..................... 60 .......... 8 9. Boise St. ......... 12-0 .................... 35 .......... 10 10. Ohio St. ........ 10-2 .................... 15 ......... NR Others Receiving Votes: TCU 9, Oklahoma St. 6, Ball St. 3, Georgia 2, Oregon 2, Mississippi 1 Dropped OUT: #9 Oklahoma St. * HEISMAN * 1. QB- Sam Bradford, Oklahoma Sooners - (10) 123 2. QB- Colt McCoy, Texas Longhorns - (4) 78 3. QB- Tim Tebow, Florida Gators - (1) 50 View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	2	December 02, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
replied to RANK THE TOP 10 & TOP 3 HEISMAN ( WEEK 14 ) in College Football 1. Alabama 2. Texas 3. Oklahoma 4. Florida 5. USC 6. Texas Tech 7. Boise St. 8. Utah 9. Penn St. 10. Oklahoma St. View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	31	November 30, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic RANK THE TOP 10 & TOP 3 HEISMAN ( WEEK 14 ) in College Football These polls are open to any Covers member and will be taken every week ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please rank the Top 10 and only the Top 10. Points will be awarded as such- 1st-10, 2nd-9, 3rd-8, etc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do not put your favorite team in the poll if they are 0-11. Any such votes will be tossed out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No offense to any one that may want to list "other" teams outside of the Top 10 , but please do not do this or your ballot may be null and void. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please rank only the top 3 in the Heisman. Any votes that do not have or have more than the top 3 will be tossed. Pts for Heisman will be 1st-10 , 2nd-5 and 3rd-3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *POLLS WILL CLOSE AT 5:00 PM CST MONDAY, DEC 1st !!!* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please put the ranking numbers next to the teams. It is easier to tabulate. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks to all that participate and feel free to post comments. Hardly any one posts comments in the "Results" thread so I figured, what the hell- clutter this thread up all you like. I will just wade through it during tabulation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ LAST WEEK's RESULTS TOP 10 Rnk .. *Tm ............ W-L* ...... ( 1st ) .... Pts ..... Prvs** 1. Alabama .......... 11-0 ...... ( 11 ) .... 168 ......... 2 2. Florida ............. 10-1 ....... ( 7 ) .... 165 .......... 3 3. Texas .............. 10-1 .................... 151 ......... 4 4. Oklahoma ........ 10-1 ....... ( 1 ) ..... 145 ......... 5 5. USC .................. 9-1 .................... 118 ......... 6 6. Texas Tech ...... 10-1 ..................... 85 .......... 1 7. Penn St. ........... 11-1 .................... 74 .......... 7 8. Utah ................ 12-0..................... 48 .......... 8 9. Oklahoma St. ..... 9-2 ..................... 38 ........ 10 10. Boise St. ........ 11-0 .................... 25 .......... 9 Others Receiving Votes: Missouri 11, Oregon St. 11, Ohio St. 8, TCU 8 Dropped OUT: # * HEISMAN * 1. QB- Tim Tebow, Florida Gators - (6) 81 2. QB- Sam Bradford, Oklahoma Sooners - (5) 74 3. QB- Colt McCoy, Texas Longhorns - (2) 54 4. WR- Julio Jones, Alabama Crimson Tide - (1) 10 5. WR- Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech Red Raiders - 9 6. QB- Graham Harrel, Texas Tech Red Raiders - 6 T7. WR- Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State Cowboys - 5 T7. RB- Shon Greene, Iowa Hawkeyes - 5 T7. RB- Percy Harvin, Florida Gators - 5 10. WR- Jeremy Maclin, Missouri Tigers - 3 View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	31	November 30, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic COVERS TOP 10 & TOP 3 HEISMAN RESULTS ( WEEK 13 ) in College Football TOP 10 Rnk .. *Tm ............ W-L* ..... ( 1st ) .... Pts ..... Prvs** 1. Alabama .......... 11-0 ...... ( 11 ) .... 168 ........ 2 2. Florida ............. 10-1 ....... ( 7 ) .... 165 ......... 3 3. Texas ............... 10-1 ................... 151 ......... 4 4. Oklahoma ........ 10-1 ....... ( 1 ) .... 145 ......... 5 5. USC .................. 9-1 .................... 118 ......... 6 6. Texas Tech ...... 10-1 .................... 85 ......... 1 7. Penn St. ........... 11-1 ................... 74 .......... 7 8. Utah ................. 12-0.................... 48 .......... 8 9. Oklahoma St. .... 9-2 .................... 38 ........ 10 10. Boise St. ........ 11-0 ................... 25 .......... 9 Others Receiving Votes: Missouri 11, Oregon St. 11, Ohio St. 8, TCU 8 Dropped OUT: # * HEISMAN * 1. QB- Tim Tebow, Florida Gators - (6) 81 2. QB- Sam Bradford, Oklahoma Sooners - (5) 74 3. QB- Colt McCoy, Texas Longhorns - (2) 54 4. WR- Julio Jones, Alabama Crimson Tide - (1) 10 5. WR- Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech Red Raiders - 9 6. QB- Graham Harrel, Texas Tech Red Raiders - 6 T7. WR- Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State Cowboys - 5 T7. RB- Shon Greene, Iowa Hawkeyes - 5 T7. RB- Percy Harvin, Florida Gators - 5 10. WR- Jeremy Maclin, Missouri Tigers - 3 View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	1	November 25, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
replied to RANK THE TOP 10 & TOP 3 HEISMAN ( WEEK 13 ) in College Football 1. Alabama 2. Texas 3. Oklahoma 4. Florida 5. USC 6. Texas Tech 7. Boise St. 8. Utah 9. Penn St. 10. Oklahoma St. View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	24	November 23, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic RANK THE TOP 10 & TOP 3 HEISMAN ( WEEK 13 ) in College Football These polls are open to any Covers member and will be taken every week ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please rank the Top 10 and only the Top 10. Points will be awarded as such- 1st-10, 2nd-9, 3rd-8, etc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do not put your favorite team in the poll if they are 0-11. Any such votes will be tossed out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No offense to any one that may want to list "other" teams outside of the Top 10 , but please do not do this or your ballot may be null and void. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please rank only the top 3 in the Heisman. Any votes that do not have or have more than the top 3 will be tossed. Pts for Heisman will be 1st-10 , 2nd-5 and 3rd-3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *POLLS WILL CLOSE AT 5:00 PM CST MONDAY, NOV 24th !!!* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please put the ranking numbers next to the teams. It is easier to tabulate. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks to all that participate and feel free to post comments. Hardly any one posts comments in the "Results" thread so I figured, what the hell- clutter this thread up all you like. I will just wade through it during tabulation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ LAST WEEK's RESULTS TOP 10 Rnk .. *Tm ............ W-L* ...... ( 1st ) .... Pts .... Prvs** 1. Texas Tech ...... 10-0 ....... ( 7 ) ..... 182 ......... 1 2. Alabama .......... 11-0 ....... ( 5 ) .... 164 ......... 2 3. Florida .............. 9-1 ........ ( 7 ) .... 152 ......... 3 4. Texas .............. 10-1 .................... 135 ......... 4 5. Oklahoma .......... 9-1..................... 117 ......... 5 6. USC ................... 9-1 .................... 105 ......... 6 7. Penn St. ........... 10-1 ..................... 54 ......... 9 8. Utah ................ 11-0...................... 45 ......... 8 9. Boise St. .......... 10-0 ..................... 33 ......... 7 10. Oklahoma St. ... 9-2 ..................... 29 ........ 10 Others Receiving Votes: Missouri 19, Ohio St. 13, Oregon St. 4, Ball St. 1, Georgia 1 Dropped OUT: # * HEISMAN * 1. QB- Graham Harrel, Texas Tech Red Raiders - (8) 106 2. QB- Colt McCoy, Texas Longhorns - (4) 57 3. WR- Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech Red Raiders - (3) 50 4. QB- Tim Tebow, Florida Gators - 32 5. QB- Sam Bradford, Oklahoma Sooners - (1) 28 6. WR- Julio Jones, Alabama Crimson Tide - (1) 10 7. RB- Percy Harvin, Florida Gators - 8 T8. WR- Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State Cowboys - 5 T8. RB- Shon Greene, Iowa Hawkeyes - 5 View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	24	November 23, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic COVERS TOP 10 & TOP 3 HEISMAN RESULTS ( WEEK 12 ) in College Football TOP 10 Rnk .. *Tm ........... W-L* ..... ( 1st ) .... Pts ..... Prvs** 1. Texas Tech ...... 10-0 ....... ( 7 ) ..... 182 ........ 1 2. Alabama .......... 11-0 ....... ( 5 ) ..... 164 ........ 2 3. Florida .............. 9-1 ........ ( 7 ) ..... 152 ........ 3 4. Texas ............... 10-1 .................... 135 ........ 4 5. Oklahoma ......... 9-1...................... 117 ........ 5 6. USC ................... 9-1 .................... 105 ......... 6 7. Penn St. ............ 10-1 .................... 54 ......... 9 8. Utah .................. 11-0..................... 45 ......... 8 9. Boise St. ........... 10-0 .................... 33 ......... 7 10. Oklahoma St. ... 9-2 .................... 29 ........ 10 Others Receiving Votes: Missouri 19, Ohio St. 13, Oregon St. 4, Ball St. 1, Georgia 1 * HEISMAN * 1. QB- Graham Harrel, Texas Tech Red Raiders - (8) 106 2. QB- Colt McCoy, Texas Longhorns - (4) 57 3. WR- Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech Red Raiders - (3) 50 4. QB- Tim Tebow, Florida Gators - 32 5. QB- Sam Bradford, Oklahoma Sooners - (1) 28 6. WR- Julio Jones, Alabama Crimson Tide - (1) 10 7. RB- Percy Harvin, Florida Gators - 8 T8. WR- Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State Cowboys - 5 T8. RB- Shon Greene, Iowa Hawkeyes - 5 View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	3	November 17, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic RANK THE TOP 10 & TOP 3 HEISMAN ( WEEK 12 ) in College Football These polls are open to any Covers member and will be taken every week ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please rank the Top 10 and only the Top 10. Points will be awarded as such- 1st-10, 2nd-9, 3rd-8, etc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do not put your favorite team in the poll if they are 0-10. Any such votes will be tossed out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No offense to any one that may want to list "other" teams outside of the Top 10 , but please do not do this or your ballot may be null and void. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please rank only the top 3 in the Heisman. Any votes that do not have or have more than the top 3 will be tossed. Pts for Heisman will be 1st-10 , 2nd-5 and 3rd-3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *POLLS WILL CLOSE AT 5:00 PM CST MONDAY, NOV 17th !!!* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please put the ranking numbers next to the teams. It is easier to tabulate. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks to all that participate and feel free to post comments. Hardly any one posts comments in the "Results" thread so I figured, what the hell- clutter this thread up all you like. I will just wade through it during tabulation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ LAST WEEK's RESULTS TOP 10 Rnk .. *Tm ........... W-L* ....... ( 1st ) .... Pts .... Prvs** 1. Texas Tech ..... 10-0 ........ ( 11 ) ..... 271 ........ 2 2. Alabama ......... 10-0 ........ ( 8 ) ...... 262 ........ 1 3. Florida ............. 8-1 ........ ( 11 ) ..... 242 ........ 3 4. Texas ............... 9-1 ...................... 199 ........ 5 5. Oklahoma ......... 9-1....................... 191 ........ 7 6. USC .................. 8-1 ...................... 169 ........ 6 7. Boise St. ........... 9-0 ....................... 72 ........ 9 8. Utah ................ 10-0....................... 66 ....... 10 9. Penn St. ............ 9-1 ....................... 61 ........ 4 10. Oklahoma St. ... 8-2 ...................... 46 ......... 8 Others Receiving Votes: Georgia 26, Ball St. 15, Missouri 13, Ohio St. 10 Dropped OUT: # * HEISMAN * 1. QB- Graham Harrel, Texas Tech Red Raiders - (11) 144 2. QB- Tim Tebow, Florida Gators - (5) 81 3. QB- Colt McCoy, Texas Longhorns - (1) 47 4. QB- Sam Bradford, Oklahoma Sooners - (1) 39 5. WR- Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech Red Raiders - (1) 36 6. WR- Julio Jones, Alabama Crimson Tide - (1) 10 7. RB- Percy Harvin, Florida Gators - 3 View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	21	November 16, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Most overrated team in the country? in College Football I realize that Florida may be the best team in the country right now, but I also wonder how the entire nation just discounts the home loss to Miss. Should a team that lost at home to a 5-4 team be ranked higher than a team (Texas) that lost to the #2 ranked team in the country on the road? Or higher than a team (Oklahoma) that lost to a top 5 team on a neutral site? View Post \| View Thread	kuddish	186	November 16, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic COVERS TOP 10 & TOP 3 HEISMAN RESULTS ( WEEK 11 ) in College Football Thanks to all that participated. TOP 10 Rnk .. *Tm ........... W-L* ...... ( 1st ) .... Pts ..... Prvs** 1. Texas Tech ...... 10-0 ....... ( 11 ) ..... 271 ........ 2 2. Alabama .......... 10-0 ........ ( 8 ) ...... 262 ........ 1 3. Florida .............. 8-1 ........ ( 11 ) ..... 242 ........ 3 4. Texas ................ 9-1 ...................... 199 ........ 5 5. Oklahoma ......... 9-1........................ 191 ....... 7 6. USC ................... 8-1 ...................... 169 ........ 6 7. Boise St. ............ 9-0 ....................... 72 ........ 9 8. Utah ................. 10-0........................ 66 ....... 10 9. Penn St. ............. 9-1 ....................... 61 ........ 4 10. Oklahoma St. ... 8-2 ....................... 46 ........ 8 Others Receiving Votes: Georgia 26, Ball St. 15, Missouri 13, Ohio St. 10 * HEISMAN * 1. QB- Graham Harrel, Texas Tech Red Raiders - (11) 144 2. QB- Tim Tebow, Florida Gators - (5) 81 3. QB- Colt McCoy, Texas Longhorns - (1) 47 4. QB- Sam Bradford, Oklahoma Sooners - (1) 39 5. WR- Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech Red Raiders - (1) 36 6. WR- Julio Jones, Alabama Crimson Tide - (1) 10 7. RB- Percy Harvin, Florida Gators - 3 View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	1	November 13, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
replied to what happens in the big 12 if...... in College Football That may be just a Big 10+1 thing, Apple. I am sure that every conference, that does not have a title game, has their own way of deciding View Post \| View Thread	royalsfan123	6	November 09, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
replied to CAN ANY TEAM STOP THIS OFFENSE ? in College Football I agree Matt. I did not ask that question because I already know the answer. View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	4	November 09, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
replied to National Champion in College Football New Dark Day- it will be the highest rated team (BCS rankings) that gets to play in the Big XII title game if OU, Tech and Texas end up in a 3-way tie View Post \| View Thread	Jersey973	77	November 09, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
replied to CAN ANY TEAM STOP THIS OFFENSE ? in College Football astounding, even View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	4	November 09, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic CAN ANY TEAM STOP THIS OFFENSE ? in College Football No, I am not talking about Texas Tech. But instead, it is the Oklahoma Sooners that I refer to. If you look at the numbers, they are a tad misleading. OU avg 45 ppg but if you pro-rate this over just the first three quarters the avg jumps to 63 ppg and even more if this is pro-rated over the first half the avg is an asounding 71 ppg. View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	4	November 09, 2008 View Post \| View Thread

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replied to Car buying.............is it unrealistic...... in General Discussion Mugg- Most good salesmen will call you back, period. Even if the price that you offered would put their vehichle "in the ditch" ( no profit or even a loss ) . The bottom line is that the dealership lost this battle when they quoted you a price of $21K and then switched you over to payment options. In the car business, the first one that speaks about price is the loser. Weather it is the customer or the dealer. Sounds to me like this is a "payment" store and not a "trade difference" or "bottom line" store. If this store has more than $16K in this Xterra and is asking $21K, then the sales manager or whoever is responsible for it being on the lot doesn't know a lot about car sales. Castor has some very valid points about the car business but it sounds to me like he is at a store that has been around for awhile and has a lot of return and referral business. Some stores that are fairly new or that are not well known probably are struggling more than they expected when they got into this business. Established stores with good salespeople and good SM and GM should always have few problems selling vehichles. But back to your $16K offer, sure they may have laughed at that offer but who really knows what this ride is worth. I learned a long time ago that ANY vehichle is worth what someone will pay for it. NADA or any other book that publishes prices on cars will never be "on the money" for every ride. Too many variables to consider. I once saw one of my SM throw a NADA book on the floor after a customer said that the book says the car is worth so much and he said, "Book ! Book ! What is this car worth? See sir, books don't buy and sell cars every day like we do." In essence he was saying that the people in the car business should know what a vehicle is worth in their particular area just a tad more than some book. Most dealers use NADA books as a reference and not as a " fixed " value. And as for the payment strategy that they tried on you, it is good for the dealership. Well, at least for the finance dept. Sales could care less how a customer pays. It is like robbing from Peter to pay Paul but that is the way car dealerships are run. I always got tired of hassling with my parts dept. over prices on after market accesories. Just never made much sense to me. So, if the dealership does not call you back, then they obviously don't want your business or at least that is what they think. Because every store should want ANY business. I wouuld just guess that you could buy this Xterra for $17,500 or $18 if this store has close to $16K in it. If they did have that much in it, they would be stupid not to take this deal. One last option to you would be to go into the store late in the month (on the last Wednesday if possible ) See if you can get a look at the sales board with X's on it. Most dealers will have a box on eevrey salesman's name that is colored in fully. For instance if I set a goal for a guy to sell 20 in a month then the 20 box is shaded in. If the X's on most of the guys are no where near the shaded area, then they will (should ) be ready to negotiate moreso than before. Bottom line is, if you don't feel comfortable buying this Xterra, then don't do it. I would definitely not reccomend it and if you do end up buying it, take a good long look at ANY warranty that the manufacturer may sstill have on it on take two long looks at ANY extended service plan that they offer. Hope some of this helps. Good luck. View Post \| View Thread	THEMUGG	75	January 24, 2009 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic RIDDLE FOR YOU INTELLECTUALS in General Discussion Here is a riddle for the true intellectual. Try to come up with the answer on your own. The answer is at the end for those who are unable to think this one through : At the exact same time, there are two 35 year old men on opposite sides of the earth . One is walking a tight rope between two skyscrapers. The other is getting 'oral pleasure' from an 85 year old toothless woman. They are both thinking the exact same thing. What are they both thinking????? Don't look down. Don't look down. Don't look down. View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	7	January 22, 2009 View Post \| View Thread
replied to CFB BOWL SELECTIONS in College Football 2008-09 BOWL GAMES 3-1-1 / 75% / +4.9 UNITS SIDES - 2-0 / 100% / +5 UNITS TOTALS - 1-1-1 / 50% / -.1 UNITS * Dec. 21st - New Orleans Bowl - New Orleans, La. - Troy -4x ( 1 Unit ) - - Under 55 ( 2 Units ) - View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	4	December 21, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic CFB BOWL SELECTIONS in College Football OVERALL BOWL GAMES 71-45-1 / 61% / +65.53 UNITS SIDES - 38-19-1 / 67% / +44.1 UNITS TOTALS - 25-17 / 60% / +13.4 UNITS ML - 8-9 / 47% / +8.03 UNITS 2004-05 BOWL GAMES 18-12 / 60% / +16.8 UNITS SIDES - 10-4 / 71% / +11 UNITS TOTALS - 6-6 / 48% / +3.8 UNITS ML - 2-2 / 50% / +2 UNITS 2005-06 BOWL GAMES 21-16 / 57% / +18.45 UNITS SIDES - 12-6 / 67% / +19.7 UNITS TOTALS - 5-6 / 46% / -6.5 UNITS ML - 4-4 / 50% / +5.25 UNITS 2006-07 BOWL GAMES 19-10 / 56% / +15.78 UNITS SIDES - 9-5 / 64% / +4.2 UNITS TOTALS - 8-2 / 80% / +10.8 UNITS ML - 2-3 / 40% / +.78 UNITS 2007-08 BOWL GAMES 14-8-1 / 64% / +13.3 UNITS SIDES - 8-4-1 / 67% / +10.2 UNITS TOTALS - 6-4 / 57% / +3.1 UNITS * Dec. 20th - Eagle Bank Bowl - Washington D.C. * - Wake Forest -3 ( 2 Units ) - * Dec. 20th - New Mexico Bowl * - Colorado St. +2x ( 3 Units ) - - Under 59x ( 1 Unit ) - * Dec. 20th - St. Petersburg Bowl - St. Petersburg, Fla. * - Over 55 ( 1 Unit ) - * Dec. 20th - Las Vegas Bowl - Las Vegas, Nev. * - Under 59 ( 1 Unit ) - View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	4	December 20, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic CFB BOWL PREDICTIONS in College Football Eagle Bank Bowl Wake Forest - 26 Navy - 17 New Mexico Bowl Fresno St. - 24 Colorado St. - 28 St. Petersburg Bowl South Florida -37 Memphis - 28 Las Vegas Bowl Arizona -26 BYU - 24 New Orleans Bowl Troy - 23 Southern Mississippi - 14 Poinsettia Bowl TCU - 26 Boise St. - 25 Hawaii Bowl Hawaii - 41 Notre Dame - 31 Motor City Bowl C. Michigan - 37 FAU - 27 Meineke Car Care Bowl North Carolina - 24 West Virginia - 20 Champ Sports Bowl Florida St. - 17 Wisconsin - 21 Emerald Bowl California - 27 Miami (FL) - 28 Independence Bowl Louisiana Tech -24 N. Illinois - 20 Papajohns.com Bowl Rutgers - 27 N. Carolina St. - 26 Alamo Bowl Missouri - 44 Northwestern - 35 Humanitarian Bowl Nevada - 20 Maryland - 35 Texas Bowl Rice - 35 W. Michigan - 26 Holiday Bowl Oklahoma St. - 44 Oregon - 38 Armed Forces Bowl Houston - 31 Air Force - 33 Sun Bowl Oregon - 33 Pittsburgh - 34 Music City Bowl Boston College - 24 Vanderbilt - 27 Insight Bowl Minnesota - 21 Kansas - 30 Chick-fil-A Bowl LSU - 37 Georgia Tech - 45 Outback Bowl Iowa - 21 South Carolina - 14 Capital One Bowl Michigan St. - 20 Georgia - 35 Gator Bowl Clemson - 30 Nebraska - 27 Rose Bowl Penn St. - 17 USC - 38 Orange Bowl Virginia Tech - 17 Cincinnati - 20 Cotton Bowl Mississippi - 24 Texas Tech - 43 Liberty Bowl E. Carolina - 23 Kentucky - 20 Sugar Bowl Utah - 17 Alabama - 27 International Bowl Buffalo - 20 UConn - 17 Fiesta Bowl Ohio St. - 20 Texas - 27 GMAC Bowl Ball St. - 31 Tulsa - 30 BCS Chapionship Florida- 33 Oklahoma - 40 View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	1	December 11, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic COVERS TOP 10 & TOP 3 HEISMAN RESULTS ( WEEK 14 ) in College Football TOP 10 Rnk .. *Tm ............ W-L* ...... ( 1st ) .... Pts ..... Prvs** 1. Alabama .......... 12-0 ....... ( 9 ) ..... 148 ......... 1 2. Oklahoma ........ 11-1 ....... ( 2 ) ..... 139 ......... 4 3. Texas .............. 11-1 ....... ( 1 ) ..... 136 ......... 3 4. Florida ............ 11-1 ....... ( 5 ) ..... 135 ......... 2 5. USC ................. 10-1 ................... 107 ......... 5 6. Penn St. .......... 11-1 .................... 69 .......... 7 7. Texas Tech ...... 11-1 .................... 68 .......... 6 8. Utah ................ 12-0..................... 60 .......... 8 9. Boise St. ......... 12-0 .................... 35 .......... 10 10. Ohio St. ........ 10-2 .................... 15 ......... NR Others Receiving Votes: TCU 9, Oklahoma St. 6, Ball St. 3, Georgia 2, Oregon 2, Mississippi 1 Dropped OUT: #9 Oklahoma St. * HEISMAN * 1. QB- Sam Bradford, Oklahoma Sooners - (10) 123 2. QB- Colt McCoy, Texas Longhorns - (4) 78 3. QB- Tim Tebow, Florida Gators - (1) 50 View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	2	December 02, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
replied to RANK THE TOP 10 & TOP 3 HEISMAN ( WEEK 14 ) in College Football 1. Alabama 2. Texas 3. Oklahoma 4. Florida 5. USC 6. Texas Tech 7. Boise St. 8. Utah 9. Penn St. 10. Oklahoma St. View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	31	November 30, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic RANK THE TOP 10 & TOP 3 HEISMAN ( WEEK 14 ) in College Football These polls are open to any Covers member and will be taken every week ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please rank the Top 10 and only the Top 10. Points will be awarded as such- 1st-10, 2nd-9, 3rd-8, etc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do not put your favorite team in the poll if they are 0-11. Any such votes will be tossed out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No offense to any one that may want to list "other" teams outside of the Top 10 , but please do not do this or your ballot may be null and void. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please rank only the top 3 in the Heisman. Any votes that do not have or have more than the top 3 will be tossed. Pts for Heisman will be 1st-10 , 2nd-5 and 3rd-3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *POLLS WILL CLOSE AT 5:00 PM CST MONDAY, DEC 1st !!!* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please put the ranking numbers next to the teams. It is easier to tabulate. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks to all that participate and feel free to post comments. Hardly any one posts comments in the "Results" thread so I figured, what the hell- clutter this thread up all you like. I will just wade through it during tabulation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ LAST WEEK's RESULTS TOP 10 Rnk .. *Tm ............ W-L* ...... ( 1st ) .... Pts ..... Prvs** 1. Alabama .......... 11-0 ...... ( 11 ) .... 168 ......... 2 2. Florida ............. 10-1 ....... ( 7 ) .... 165 .......... 3 3. Texas .............. 10-1 .................... 151 ......... 4 4. Oklahoma ........ 10-1 ....... ( 1 ) ..... 145 ......... 5 5. USC .................. 9-1 .................... 118 ......... 6 6. Texas Tech ...... 10-1 ..................... 85 .......... 1 7. Penn St. ........... 11-1 .................... 74 .......... 7 8. Utah ................ 12-0..................... 48 .......... 8 9. Oklahoma St. ..... 9-2 ..................... 38 ........ 10 10. Boise St. ........ 11-0 .................... 25 .......... 9 Others Receiving Votes: Missouri 11, Oregon St. 11, Ohio St. 8, TCU 8 Dropped OUT: # * HEISMAN * 1. QB- Tim Tebow, Florida Gators - (6) 81 2. QB- Sam Bradford, Oklahoma Sooners - (5) 74 3. QB- Colt McCoy, Texas Longhorns - (2) 54 4. WR- Julio Jones, Alabama Crimson Tide - (1) 10 5. WR- Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech Red Raiders - 9 6. QB- Graham Harrel, Texas Tech Red Raiders - 6 T7. WR- Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State Cowboys - 5 T7. RB- Shon Greene, Iowa Hawkeyes - 5 T7. RB- Percy Harvin, Florida Gators - 5 10. WR- Jeremy Maclin, Missouri Tigers - 3 View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	31	November 30, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic COVERS TOP 10 & TOP 3 HEISMAN RESULTS ( WEEK 13 ) in College Football TOP 10 Rnk .. *Tm ............ W-L* ..... ( 1st ) .... Pts ..... Prvs** 1. Alabama .......... 11-0 ...... ( 11 ) .... 168 ........ 2 2. Florida ............. 10-1 ....... ( 7 ) .... 165 ......... 3 3. Texas ............... 10-1 ................... 151 ......... 4 4. Oklahoma ........ 10-1 ....... ( 1 ) .... 145 ......... 5 5. USC .................. 9-1 .................... 118 ......... 6 6. Texas Tech ...... 10-1 .................... 85 ......... 1 7. Penn St. ........... 11-1 ................... 74 .......... 7 8. Utah ................. 12-0.................... 48 .......... 8 9. Oklahoma St. .... 9-2 .................... 38 ........ 10 10. Boise St. ........ 11-0 ................... 25 .......... 9 Others Receiving Votes: Missouri 11, Oregon St. 11, Ohio St. 8, TCU 8 Dropped OUT: # * HEISMAN * 1. QB- Tim Tebow, Florida Gators - (6) 81 2. QB- Sam Bradford, Oklahoma Sooners - (5) 74 3. QB- Colt McCoy, Texas Longhorns - (2) 54 4. WR- Julio Jones, Alabama Crimson Tide - (1) 10 5. WR- Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech Red Raiders - 9 6. QB- Graham Harrel, Texas Tech Red Raiders - 6 T7. WR- Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State Cowboys - 5 T7. RB- Shon Greene, Iowa Hawkeyes - 5 T7. RB- Percy Harvin, Florida Gators - 5 10. WR- Jeremy Maclin, Missouri Tigers - 3 View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	1	November 25, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
replied to RANK THE TOP 10 & TOP 3 HEISMAN ( WEEK 13 ) in College Football 1. Alabama 2. Texas 3. Oklahoma 4. Florida 5. USC 6. Texas Tech 7. Boise St. 8. Utah 9. Penn St. 10. Oklahoma St. View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	24	November 23, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic RANK THE TOP 10 & TOP 3 HEISMAN ( WEEK 13 ) in College Football These polls are open to any Covers member and will be taken every week ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please rank the Top 10 and only the Top 10. Points will be awarded as such- 1st-10, 2nd-9, 3rd-8, etc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do not put your favorite team in the poll if they are 0-11. Any such votes will be tossed out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No offense to any one that may want to list "other" teams outside of the Top 10 , but please do not do this or your ballot may be null and void. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please rank only the top 3 in the Heisman. Any votes that do not have or have more than the top 3 will be tossed. Pts for Heisman will be 1st-10 , 2nd-5 and 3rd-3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *POLLS WILL CLOSE AT 5:00 PM CST MONDAY, NOV 24th !!!* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please put the ranking numbers next to the teams. It is easier to tabulate. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks to all that participate and feel free to post comments. Hardly any one posts comments in the "Results" thread so I figured, what the hell- clutter this thread up all you like. I will just wade through it during tabulation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ LAST WEEK's RESULTS TOP 10 Rnk .. *Tm ............ W-L* ...... ( 1st ) .... Pts .... Prvs** 1. Texas Tech ...... 10-0 ....... ( 7 ) ..... 182 ......... 1 2. Alabama .......... 11-0 ....... ( 5 ) .... 164 ......... 2 3. Florida .............. 9-1 ........ ( 7 ) .... 152 ......... 3 4. Texas .............. 10-1 .................... 135 ......... 4 5. Oklahoma .......... 9-1..................... 117 ......... 5 6. USC ................... 9-1 .................... 105 ......... 6 7. Penn St. ........... 10-1 ..................... 54 ......... 9 8. Utah ................ 11-0...................... 45 ......... 8 9. Boise St. .......... 10-0 ..................... 33 ......... 7 10. Oklahoma St. ... 9-2 ..................... 29 ........ 10 Others Receiving Votes: Missouri 19, Ohio St. 13, Oregon St. 4, Ball St. 1, Georgia 1 Dropped OUT: # * HEISMAN * 1. QB- Graham Harrel, Texas Tech Red Raiders - (8) 106 2. QB- Colt McCoy, Texas Longhorns - (4) 57 3. WR- Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech Red Raiders - (3) 50 4. QB- Tim Tebow, Florida Gators - 32 5. QB- Sam Bradford, Oklahoma Sooners - (1) 28 6. WR- Julio Jones, Alabama Crimson Tide - (1) 10 7. RB- Percy Harvin, Florida Gators - 8 T8. WR- Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State Cowboys - 5 T8. RB- Shon Greene, Iowa Hawkeyes - 5 View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	24	November 23, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic COVERS TOP 10 & TOP 3 HEISMAN RESULTS ( WEEK 12 ) in College Football TOP 10 Rnk .. *Tm ........... W-L* ..... ( 1st ) .... Pts ..... Prvs** 1. Texas Tech ...... 10-0 ....... ( 7 ) ..... 182 ........ 1 2. Alabama .......... 11-0 ....... ( 5 ) ..... 164 ........ 2 3. Florida .............. 9-1 ........ ( 7 ) ..... 152 ........ 3 4. Texas ............... 10-1 .................... 135 ........ 4 5. Oklahoma ......... 9-1...................... 117 ........ 5 6. USC ................... 9-1 .................... 105 ......... 6 7. Penn St. ............ 10-1 .................... 54 ......... 9 8. Utah .................. 11-0..................... 45 ......... 8 9. Boise St. ........... 10-0 .................... 33 ......... 7 10. Oklahoma St. ... 9-2 .................... 29 ........ 10 Others Receiving Votes: Missouri 19, Ohio St. 13, Oregon St. 4, Ball St. 1, Georgia 1 * HEISMAN * 1. QB- Graham Harrel, Texas Tech Red Raiders - (8) 106 2. QB- Colt McCoy, Texas Longhorns - (4) 57 3. WR- Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech Red Raiders - (3) 50 4. QB- Tim Tebow, Florida Gators - 32 5. QB- Sam Bradford, Oklahoma Sooners - (1) 28 6. WR- Julio Jones, Alabama Crimson Tide - (1) 10 7. RB- Percy Harvin, Florida Gators - 8 T8. WR- Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State Cowboys - 5 T8. RB- Shon Greene, Iowa Hawkeyes - 5 View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	3	November 17, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic RANK THE TOP 10 & TOP 3 HEISMAN ( WEEK 12 ) in College Football These polls are open to any Covers member and will be taken every week ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please rank the Top 10 and only the Top 10. Points will be awarded as such- 1st-10, 2nd-9, 3rd-8, etc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do not put your favorite team in the poll if they are 0-10. Any such votes will be tossed out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No offense to any one that may want to list "other" teams outside of the Top 10 , but please do not do this or your ballot may be null and void. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please rank only the top 3 in the Heisman. Any votes that do not have or have more than the top 3 will be tossed. Pts for Heisman will be 1st-10 , 2nd-5 and 3rd-3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *POLLS WILL CLOSE AT 5:00 PM CST MONDAY, NOV 17th !!!* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please put the ranking numbers next to the teams. It is easier to tabulate. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks to all that participate and feel free to post comments. Hardly any one posts comments in the "Results" thread so I figured, what the hell- clutter this thread up all you like. I will just wade through it during tabulation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ LAST WEEK's RESULTS TOP 10 Rnk .. *Tm ........... W-L* ....... ( 1st ) .... Pts .... Prvs** 1. Texas Tech ..... 10-0 ........ ( 11 ) ..... 271 ........ 2 2. Alabama ......... 10-0 ........ ( 8 ) ...... 262 ........ 1 3. Florida ............. 8-1 ........ ( 11 ) ..... 242 ........ 3 4. Texas ............... 9-1 ...................... 199 ........ 5 5. Oklahoma ......... 9-1....................... 191 ........ 7 6. USC .................. 8-1 ...................... 169 ........ 6 7. Boise St. ........... 9-0 ....................... 72 ........ 9 8. Utah ................ 10-0....................... 66 ....... 10 9. Penn St. ............ 9-1 ....................... 61 ........ 4 10. Oklahoma St. ... 8-2 ...................... 46 ......... 8 Others Receiving Votes: Georgia 26, Ball St. 15, Missouri 13, Ohio St. 10 Dropped OUT: # * HEISMAN * 1. QB- Graham Harrel, Texas Tech Red Raiders - (11) 144 2. QB- Tim Tebow, Florida Gators - (5) 81 3. QB- Colt McCoy, Texas Longhorns - (1) 47 4. QB- Sam Bradford, Oklahoma Sooners - (1) 39 5. WR- Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech Red Raiders - (1) 36 6. WR- Julio Jones, Alabama Crimson Tide - (1) 10 7. RB- Percy Harvin, Florida Gators - 3 View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	21	November 16, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
replied to Most overrated team in the country? in College Football I realize that Florida may be the best team in the country right now, but I also wonder how the entire nation just discounts the home loss to Miss. Should a team that lost at home to a 5-4 team be ranked higher than a team (Texas) that lost to the #2 ranked team in the country on the road? Or higher than a team (Oklahoma) that lost to a top 5 team on a neutral site? View Post \| View Thread	kuddish	186	November 16, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic COVERS TOP 10 & TOP 3 HEISMAN RESULTS ( WEEK 11 ) in College Football Thanks to all that participated. TOP 10 Rnk .. *Tm ........... W-L* ...... ( 1st ) .... Pts ..... Prvs** 1. Texas Tech ...... 10-0 ....... ( 11 ) ..... 271 ........ 2 2. Alabama .......... 10-0 ........ ( 8 ) ...... 262 ........ 1 3. Florida .............. 8-1 ........ ( 11 ) ..... 242 ........ 3 4. Texas ................ 9-1 ...................... 199 ........ 5 5. Oklahoma ......... 9-1........................ 191 ....... 7 6. USC ................... 8-1 ...................... 169 ........ 6 7. Boise St. ............ 9-0 ....................... 72 ........ 9 8. Utah ................. 10-0........................ 66 ....... 10 9. Penn St. ............. 9-1 ....................... 61 ........ 4 10. Oklahoma St. ... 8-2 ....................... 46 ........ 8 Others Receiving Votes: Georgia 26, Ball St. 15, Missouri 13, Ohio St. 10 * HEISMAN * 1. QB- Graham Harrel, Texas Tech Red Raiders - (11) 144 2. QB- Tim Tebow, Florida Gators - (5) 81 3. QB- Colt McCoy, Texas Longhorns - (1) 47 4. QB- Sam Bradford, Oklahoma Sooners - (1) 39 5. WR- Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech Red Raiders - (1) 36 6. WR- Julio Jones, Alabama Crimson Tide - (1) 10 7. RB- Percy Harvin, Florida Gators - 3 View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	1	November 13, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
replied to what happens in the big 12 if...... in College Football That may be just a Big 10+1 thing, Apple. I am sure that every conference, that does not have a title game, has their own way of deciding View Post \| View Thread	royalsfan123	6	November 09, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
replied to CAN ANY TEAM STOP THIS OFFENSE ? in College Football I agree Matt. I did not ask that question because I already know the answer. View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	4	November 09, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
replied to National Champion in College Football New Dark Day- it will be the highest rated team (BCS rankings) that gets to play in the Big XII title game if OU, Tech and Texas end up in a 3-way tie View Post \| View Thread	Jersey973	77	November 09, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
replied to CAN ANY TEAM STOP THIS OFFENSE ? in College Football astounding, even View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	4	November 09, 2008 View Post \| View Thread
created a topic CAN ANY TEAM STOP THIS OFFENSE ? in College Football No, I am not talking about Texas Tech. But instead, it is the Oklahoma Sooners that I refer to. If you look at the numbers, they are a tad misleading. OU avg 45 ppg but if you pro-rate this over just the first three quarters the avg jumps to 63 ppg and even more if this is pro-rated over the first half the avg is an asounding 71 ppg. View Post \| View Thread	Dickson Cider	4	November 09, 2008 View Post \| View Thread

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