Agree with you. But I wasnt under the impression that the USA Mens teams was that good anyway. So I was not severly surprised.
I just took the J-men over mexico. Should win if the game is not rigged for the 3rd str8 match.
How you can bet against Mexico considering the outcomes of their past two prevoius games is beyond me dude. GL! Hope she cashes! Never been a team as undeserving of a final spot as that Mexican side..
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Quote Originally Posted by Razorfins:
Agree with you. But I wasnt under the impression that the USA Mens teams was that good anyway. So I was not severly surprised.
I just took the J-men over mexico. Should win if the game is not rigged for the 3rd str8 match.
How you can bet against Mexico considering the outcomes of their past two prevoius games is beyond me dude. GL! Hope she cashes! Never been a team as undeserving of a final spot as that Mexican side..
My post was a continuation of the discussion of the US loss against Jamaica and the what the ramifications of that loss meant. It was a continuing thread where people continued to post and it was not all of a sudden bumped for me just to take a dig as my subsequent post happened minutes after my first post so get over yourself.
My dig at you was in response to the "typical American sensationalism" comment. The US had a successful world cup. The US beat Germany and Holland
on their home fields. Yes, they were friendlies but still they were wins
against top teams. To then have such a poor showing at the cup and
loose to Jamiaca in a semifinal... yes, it's a step backwards. Has
nothing to do with sensationalsim. It has to do with facts and it was a collective of games we played poorly. If the US was a futbol country Klinsman would be being shown the door right now.
Maybe being a fan of the Colombian team you are ok with mediocrity and supporting a team who puts 11 players behind the ball and never advances beyond the mid line and who shows up hoping for a penalty shoot out as they did against Argentina where their goalkeeper touched the ball I think only once the entire regulation. I would like to think Americans as a collective like to win and there is nothing wrong with thinking in termns of growth. US has never been an international futbol player and that's where our goal is to be one day. However far-fetched that may seem to you. If you were from a decent futbol nation I'd mind my manners but being Colombian and saying things like "more of the same from USA" and "typical sensationalsim" (Colombia in 94 thought they were winning the cup..lol) you bet your behind I'm going to point out the irony in your comments considering the team you root for.
Oh, and in addition to the post I made above one last thing Zamigo.. not one person in this thread made any reference about rankings. All examples people made were about past performances and results. If you don't want people to come after you than don't make unfound sweeping generalizations about their national team after a very tough loss.
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Quote Originally Posted by Rio501:
My post was a continuation of the discussion of the US loss against Jamaica and the what the ramifications of that loss meant. It was a continuing thread where people continued to post and it was not all of a sudden bumped for me just to take a dig as my subsequent post happened minutes after my first post so get over yourself.
My dig at you was in response to the "typical American sensationalism" comment. The US had a successful world cup. The US beat Germany and Holland
on their home fields. Yes, they were friendlies but still they were wins
against top teams. To then have such a poor showing at the cup and
loose to Jamiaca in a semifinal... yes, it's a step backwards. Has
nothing to do with sensationalsim. It has to do with facts and it was a collective of games we played poorly. If the US was a futbol country Klinsman would be being shown the door right now.
Maybe being a fan of the Colombian team you are ok with mediocrity and supporting a team who puts 11 players behind the ball and never advances beyond the mid line and who shows up hoping for a penalty shoot out as they did against Argentina where their goalkeeper touched the ball I think only once the entire regulation. I would like to think Americans as a collective like to win and there is nothing wrong with thinking in termns of growth. US has never been an international futbol player and that's where our goal is to be one day. However far-fetched that may seem to you. If you were from a decent futbol nation I'd mind my manners but being Colombian and saying things like "more of the same from USA" and "typical sensationalsim" (Colombia in 94 thought they were winning the cup..lol) you bet your behind I'm going to point out the irony in your comments considering the team you root for.
Oh, and in addition to the post I made above one last thing Zamigo.. not one person in this thread made any reference about rankings. All examples people made were about past performances and results. If you don't want people to come after you than don't make unfound sweeping generalizations about their national team after a very tough loss.
It is a very unique thing to America in my opinion with my experience with people from other cultures. When the German national team has a bad year, the fans are disappointed and maybe some angry. When Spain doesn't make it out of the group stage it's a big disappointment after winning the world cup. When Colombia has a bad Copa America, the fans are upset and still root for their team next time out.
In my experience it is extremely unique to America and American's to pretend (and have the media pump up in their face) that some new age has arrived where America is now one of the most respectable soccer nations in the world. The same ideology would have you believe that some travesty has occured after the team loses one game 2-1 to a good team. A pretty good not great at all USA team lost to a pretty good not great Jamaica team. Step forwards, step back, just a bunch of empty lingo.
Why this has become a personal attack against Colombia I'm not sure. Colombia went further than the US in the world cup (the alleged step forward for USA, mind you they made it equally far the world cup prior) and they went out of Copa America drawing Argentina (the team who drew Germany in the World Cup final). You can say whatever you want about Colombia but its who I root for and will continue to root for while times are good and times are bad. I don't claim they are an elite soccer nation and I don't need them to be for me to support them.
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I'm American...not Colombian
It is a very unique thing to America in my opinion with my experience with people from other cultures. When the German national team has a bad year, the fans are disappointed and maybe some angry. When Spain doesn't make it out of the group stage it's a big disappointment after winning the world cup. When Colombia has a bad Copa America, the fans are upset and still root for their team next time out.
In my experience it is extremely unique to America and American's to pretend (and have the media pump up in their face) that some new age has arrived where America is now one of the most respectable soccer nations in the world. The same ideology would have you believe that some travesty has occured after the team loses one game 2-1 to a good team. A pretty good not great at all USA team lost to a pretty good not great Jamaica team. Step forwards, step back, just a bunch of empty lingo.
Why this has become a personal attack against Colombia I'm not sure. Colombia went further than the US in the world cup (the alleged step forward for USA, mind you they made it equally far the world cup prior) and they went out of Copa America drawing Argentina (the team who drew Germany in the World Cup final). You can say whatever you want about Colombia but its who I root for and will continue to root for while times are good and times are bad. I don't claim they are an elite soccer nation and I don't need them to be for me to support them.
Stop acting like a soccer god because you are finally doing good in a tourney. It is absolutely a step back losing to a team that's ranked what, 70+? So yes, an upset is what you would call a set back.
This was the comment before mine
I made an objective observation about my own national team
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Quote Originally Posted by JonnyTwoTime:
Stop acting like a soccer god because you are finally doing good in a tourney. It is absolutely a step back losing to a team that's ranked what, 70+? So yes, an upset is what you would call a set back.
This was the comment before mine
I made an objective observation about my own national team
The way you talk about the Colombia game against Argentina must suggest that you didn't watch the USA v. Belgium game. Sometimes a team is outmatched and need to devise a tactical approach to try to get an outcome. I had no problem with what the USA did against Belgium either, they were outmatched in pretty much every position
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The way you talk about the Colombia game against Argentina must suggest that you didn't watch the USA v. Belgium game. Sometimes a team is outmatched and need to devise a tactical approach to try to get an outcome. I had no problem with what the USA did against Belgium either, they were outmatched in pretty much every position
The way you talk about the Colombia game against Argentina must suggest that you didn't watch the USA v. Belgium game. Sometimes a team is outmatched and need to devise a tactical approach to try to get an outcome. I had no problem with what the USA did against Belgium either, they were outmatched in pretty much every position
I completley disagree 100%. What Colombia did against Argentina is the anti-futbol. I'm not even talking about playing counter attack catanacho style of futbol that Italians are known for. I'm talking about a tactical decision to sit 11 players behind the ball and never, I mean never mount an advance.. and just hope for a shoot out. I'd rather play to win the game and loose 1-0 to Argentina,
fighting and advancing like Jamaica did... as opposed to playing not to loose and never advance the ball.. like Colombia did.
And yes, of course I watched the Belgium game. And of course I think we were way too timid in our strategy considering the offensive onslaught we showed down once 2-0 in extra time, having Belgium completley on their heels. If I remember correctly we still had shots on goal during regular time. And if Wondolowski taps that ball in we're not even having this discussion.
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Quote Originally Posted by zamigo6:
The way you talk about the Colombia game against Argentina must suggest that you didn't watch the USA v. Belgium game. Sometimes a team is outmatched and need to devise a tactical approach to try to get an outcome. I had no problem with what the USA did against Belgium either, they were outmatched in pretty much every position
I completley disagree 100%. What Colombia did against Argentina is the anti-futbol. I'm not even talking about playing counter attack catanacho style of futbol that Italians are known for. I'm talking about a tactical decision to sit 11 players behind the ball and never, I mean never mount an advance.. and just hope for a shoot out. I'd rather play to win the game and loose 1-0 to Argentina,
fighting and advancing like Jamaica did... as opposed to playing not to loose and never advance the ball.. like Colombia did.
And yes, of course I watched the Belgium game. And of course I think we were way too timid in our strategy considering the offensive onslaught we showed down once 2-0 in extra time, having Belgium completley on their heels. If I remember correctly we still had shots on goal during regular time. And if Wondolowski taps that ball in we're not even having this discussion.
It is a very unique thing to America in my opinion with my experience with people from other cultures. When the German national team has a bad year, the fans are disappointed and maybe some angry. When Spain doesn't make it out of the group stage it's a big disappointment after winning the world cup. When Colombia has a bad Copa America, the fans are upset and still root for their team next time out.
In my experience it is extremely unique to America and American's to pretend (and have the media pump up in their face) that some new age has arrived where America is now one of the most respectable soccer nations in the world. The same ideology would have you believe that some travesty has occured after the team loses one game 2-1 to a good team. A pretty good not great at all USA team lost to a pretty good not great Jamaica team. Step forwards, step back, just a bunch of empty lingo.
Why this has become a personal attack against Colombia I'm not sure. Colombia went further than the US in the world cup (the alleged step forward for USA, mind you they made it equally far the world cup prior) and they went out of Copa America drawing Argentina (the team who drew Germany in the World Cup final). You can say whatever you want about Colombia but its who I root for and will continue to root for while times are good and times are bad. I don't claim they are an elite soccer nation and I don't need them to be for me to support them.
American fans will still root for their national team no matter what so have no clue what you're saying in your first paragraph.
Regarding your 2nd point - any US futbol fan knows we are not a powerhouse. If you say media outlets suggest otherwise (which may or may not be the case), it doesn't mean shitt. The media does not represent American soccer nor does it represent futbol from any other country. The beating heart of American futbol will and always will be its fans. Same applies to different countries. Just because you heard some morons in the media say we are an international powerhouse does not make it true and shame on you for using that as the basis of your nonesense generalizations about our team...
And you can bringing up the 2014 World Cup. How about every single world
cup before that?? 4 other world cups.. all 1st round exits. Very
impressive. Get off your so-called pedastoole. And this past one.. Colombia played in a cupcake group with home field advantage while the US played in the group of death.. so obviously not a fair comparison. Regarding the Copa America. Colombia played aweful throughout that tournament.
I'm Argentinian-American. Die hard fan of national teams from both sides. And I'm not really in the mood to allow some so called American, especially from such a shitty futbol country... perennial underachiever who have never amounted to anything on the global scale... take shots at my team with sweeping unfounded generalizations. Maybe on another day I wouldn't give a shitt. But not today, nor yesterday..
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Quote Originally Posted by zamigo6:
I'm American...not Colombian
It is a very unique thing to America in my opinion with my experience with people from other cultures. When the German national team has a bad year, the fans are disappointed and maybe some angry. When Spain doesn't make it out of the group stage it's a big disappointment after winning the world cup. When Colombia has a bad Copa America, the fans are upset and still root for their team next time out.
In my experience it is extremely unique to America and American's to pretend (and have the media pump up in their face) that some new age has arrived where America is now one of the most respectable soccer nations in the world. The same ideology would have you believe that some travesty has occured after the team loses one game 2-1 to a good team. A pretty good not great at all USA team lost to a pretty good not great Jamaica team. Step forwards, step back, just a bunch of empty lingo.
Why this has become a personal attack against Colombia I'm not sure. Colombia went further than the US in the world cup (the alleged step forward for USA, mind you they made it equally far the world cup prior) and they went out of Copa America drawing Argentina (the team who drew Germany in the World Cup final). You can say whatever you want about Colombia but its who I root for and will continue to root for while times are good and times are bad. I don't claim they are an elite soccer nation and I don't need them to be for me to support them.
American fans will still root for their national team no matter what so have no clue what you're saying in your first paragraph.
Regarding your 2nd point - any US futbol fan knows we are not a powerhouse. If you say media outlets suggest otherwise (which may or may not be the case), it doesn't mean shitt. The media does not represent American soccer nor does it represent futbol from any other country. The beating heart of American futbol will and always will be its fans. Same applies to different countries. Just because you heard some morons in the media say we are an international powerhouse does not make it true and shame on you for using that as the basis of your nonesense generalizations about our team...
And you can bringing up the 2014 World Cup. How about every single world
cup before that?? 4 other world cups.. all 1st round exits. Very
impressive. Get off your so-called pedastoole. And this past one.. Colombia played in a cupcake group with home field advantage while the US played in the group of death.. so obviously not a fair comparison. Regarding the Copa America. Colombia played aweful throughout that tournament.
I'm Argentinian-American. Die hard fan of national teams from both sides. And I'm not really in the mood to allow some so called American, especially from such a shitty futbol country... perennial underachiever who have never amounted to anything on the global scale... take shots at my team with sweeping unfounded generalizations. Maybe on another day I wouldn't give a shitt. But not today, nor yesterday..
Back on point... big setback for the US. The should have won this tournament. If they want to be taken seriously on the world stage, they need to beat Jamaica in the Gold Cup. Period. End of discussion.
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Back on point... big setback for the US. The should have won this tournament. If they want to be taken seriously on the world stage, they need to beat Jamaica in the Gold Cup. Period. End of discussion.
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