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In 2011 unofficial plays went 23-0. Minnesota failed to finish (3gms) -13.95 units. Net was +9.05 units
 
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Hey cisco, Ive seen you around these parts but never really looked into your systems.  You've obviously been using the .470 system a while and you are most comfortable with that system as you stated. I think I'm going to use that system as well this year.  From reading your spreadsheet I see you use it from day one of the MLB season.  IDK if anyone will start a post with it but if they dont I will track it and will probably get it going. Just don't want to step on any toes if anyone starts your system here.  Good luck buddy.  Thanks for the info, stay healthy and would like to see a post by you now and then.  You're a covers legend IMO. 
 
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bettor 2 win- We talked a bit last year about my dog chase.

Here's this years spreadsheet. You might want to do a c&p to your own excel sheet and upload to google docs daily. I know it's much easier for me that way.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkIdkXC0UBUbdDZ6TVB2aGhWRjJWWW1aeDVjME5sdGc

I'm sending you  a friend request in case you need me for anything.

Good luck this year. It's all about beating the man.

 

 
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Thanks cisco. My spreadsheet work is already done.  Thanks to you.  I'm sure I will pm you a few times this year. 

You are right, it's about beating the man.  I care less about paying for systems and having others paying for mine. I'm hoping over the next few years of my life I can find a couple more different ways to find even better systems.  I'm 41 now and would love to pass these things on as you have. 

Goodluck because I know you'll be winning and playing your systems even if you don't post. 

B2W. 

 
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Thanks cisco. My spreadsheet work is already done.  Thanks to you.  I'm sure I will pm you a few times this year. 

You are right, it's about beating the man.  I care less about paying for systems and having others paying for mine. I'm hoping over the next few years of my life I can find a couple more different ways to find even better systems.  I'm 41 now and would love to pass these things on as you have. 

Goodluck because I know you'll be winning and playing your systems even if you don't post. 

B2W. 

 
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Thanks cisco. My spreadsheet work is already done.  Thanks to you.  I'm sure I will pm you a few times this year. 

You are right, it's about beating the man.  I care less about paying for systems and having others paying for mine. I'm hoping over the next few years of my life I can find a couple more different ways to find even better systems.  I'm 41 now and would love to pass these things on as you have. 

Goodluck because I know you'll be winning and playing your systems even if you don't post. 

B2W. 

 
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I am still not clear on the Dog Chase. Are we wagering on ALL dogs or are we on some favorites at times?

My other question/concern is bankroll management when chasing on these systems. In order for your 'to win' amount to be worthwhile, one could potentially be wagering several hundred, possible a few thousand dollars everyday. What is your typical season starting bankroll? What is your typical 'to win' amount?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Ddubb_Steady:

I am still not clear on the Dog Chase. Are we wagering on ALL dogs or are we on some favorites at times?

My other question/concern is bankroll management when chasing on these systems. In order for your 'to win' amount to be worthwhile, one could potentially be wagering several hundred, possible a few thousand dollars everyday. What is your typical season starting bankroll? What is your typical 'to win' amount?


I always bet to win 2%.
 
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The_Man: How many of these MLB chase systems do you play? If you had a $3000 bankroll, you would be wagering on each initial wager to win $60. If that line cost you 80 to win 60, then you will need to lay enough on the next wager in that chase to win your 80 back plus 2% of your bankroll which at this point is an indeterminable number unless we assume that this was your only play on that day. In which case your new bankroll total would be $2,920. So 2% of that number would be $58.40. So on the 2nd play of the chase, you would have to wager enough to win $138.40. Assuming a line of only -140, you would have to wager about $190. If you lose that play, you will now be $270 in the hole which is almost 10% of your original $3000 bankroll. Keep in mind, this is just for one play. Imagine your possible losses if you are trying to play 3 chase systems at once. Unless you are wagering to win a very small amount, for example $10, I foresee many people getting in a position where they do not have the funds to chase each of these plays far enough to win back their lost funds.


 
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Quote Originally Posted by Ddubb_Steady:

The_Man: How many of these MLB chase systems do you play? If you had a $3000 bankroll, you would be wagering on each initial wager to win $60. If that line cost you 80 to win 60, then you will need to lay enough on the next wager in that chase to win your 80 back plus 2% of your bankroll which at this point is an indeterminable number unless we assume that this was your only play on that day. In which case your new bankroll total would be $2,920. So 2% of that number would be $58.40. So on the 2nd play of the chase, you would have to wager enough to win $138.40. Assuming a line of only -140, you would have to wager about $190. If you lose that play, you will now be $270 in the hole which is almost 10% of your original $3000 bankroll. Keep in mind, this is just for one play. Imagine your possible losses if you are trying to play 3 chase systems at once. Unless you are wagering to win a very small amount, for example $10, I foresee many people getting in a position where they do not have the funds to chase each of these plays far enough to win back their lost funds.


Chases are risky Ddubb. Bankroll management is not black and white, never has been.  But when you chase, you HAVE to be dilligent.  Chases can get expensive so you gotta believe and fully understand the system you are doing.

 
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I agree B2W. That's why I would like for someone, like you or Cisco, to advise me and all of us, as to some more specific details on the following:

1. Initial bankroll size
2. Typical 'To win' amount
3. Number of chase systems you actually participate in at one time

The number of units a system wins is meaningless on paper. If you need a $10K bankroll to make $50 per chase, that is probably not a practical system for most players. 

I've said this before, I want to believe. I want to be successful like the rest of you. But I need more details. I don't want to start any of these chase systems and then be a position where I don't have the funds to chase far enough to win the play. I'm just asking you guys/gals that have actually gone through a season of chasing to give me some details on the bankroll size and wager 'to win' amounts. 

Help me, help all of us that have not gone through a season of chasing.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Ddubb_Steady:

I agree B2W. That's why I would like for someone, like you or Cisco, to advise me and all of us, as to some more specific details on the following:

1. Initial bankroll size
2. Typical 'To win' amount
3. Number of chase systems you actually participate in at one time

The number of units a system wins is meaningless on paper. If you need a $10K bankroll to make $50 per chase, that is probably not a practical system for most players. 

I've said this before, I want to believe. I want to be successful like the rest of you. But I need more details. I don't want to start any of these chase systems and then be a position where I don't have the funds to chase far enough to win the play. I'm just asking you guys/gals that have actually gone through a season of chasing to give me some details on the bankroll size and wager 'to win' amounts. 

Help me, help all of us that have not gone through a season of chasing.

Well, it doesnt matter what your initial BR is, really doesn't.  So, to answer your questions here I go....

1.Initial BR size. Does NOT matter.  At least $100. We will say we are starting with 1K though.

2. Typical amount to win: NORMALLY between 2%-6% of your BR. If you start a chase to win 3% (or $30) you place your bet on an "A" game. If that loses you then place your "B" bet to cover your loss AND to still win your $30 (even though your BR is now lower). If you still lose that bet, God forbid, then your "C" bet covers both losses and you play to win $30 STILL. I don't do it that way though. My "C" bet is the same as my "A" bet (just to win$30) BECAUSE "A" and "B" bets hit with such a high percentage they, the A & B bets, will absorb the losses during the season. Sometimes I do play a full cover "C" bet though.  I make an Executive decision on those plays. 

3.Number of chase systems play at one time? Normally one or two. I pick and choose  the systems I'm going to play. You have to divide your money up between systems though. I don't mix money with different systems. 

So, at least $100 a system.  Hope this helps.

B2W

 
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also...I think its helpful to go back to last year and look at all of the series and juice. I found all of the plays summarized at the end of last season by B2W which I printed out...so when I have some time I'm going to look at average juice, etc. and that way I can tell what my base unit should be...comfortably.
 
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my bad...my post above was specifically talking about playing B2Ws RPI system, and not Cisco's systems. Sorry for confusion.
 
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If one were to start with a $1K bankroll, they will not be able to wager to win a worthwhile amount. My guess would be $10 per chase. So if the system ends up being +99 units, you end up with $990 for the 5 months. That's not much profit over that period of time. 

And as far as a $100 bankroll... that person will not survive any chase system. They just will not have enough funds to chase the chase to fruition. That is unless they know a bookie that will take wagers to win $1.00, in which case they would end of with $99 worth of winnings based on the aforementioned +99 unit season.

With all that said, these systems (and the RPI) all sound interesting. I plan to give them some attention this season.

Good luck to all no matter your angle or strategy. 
 
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I've just stated the other day in the 5 run thread. Take one or two chases and see them through. Then repeat the process.

Some people get confused when I post my 4-game chase. I want to explain it the best I can.
You need to lose four games before my chase is considered a loss.




Chasing:

To win back gambling losses with more gambling.

If you lose game 1 you play again betting what you lost plus another unit the same size as your original bet multiplied by the odds.



example:

4 game chase to win $100 and odds of -110

g1 -110 to win 100 and lose

gm2 110 +100 x 1.1=231 and lose

gm3 110+231+100 x 1.1=485.10 and lose

gm 4 110+231+485.10 +100 =926.10 x 1.1= 1018.71

If you win you get all of your money back plus $100 and the chase is finished.

If you lose, you lost $1734.81 and the chase is finished.


You can lower your risk. It will not always get you $100.

Betting risk bet on the first game.

Bet RL-1

Bet RL -1.5

Use the Labourchere betting method.
Labouchere Betting System, Free Picks, Strategies | Guide to Baseball Betting

 
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How much to bet?

Decide how much you're willing to risk.

Say your bankroll is $1000 and you are willing to risk $250.

Divide 250 by 35. That's a high end chase loss. 35 units.

Your first bet is $7.14

 

 
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and don't forget this.

 

                       The Tailers Creed




1. I won't complain on your losing days and I won't question your picks.

2. I will decide how much to bet on your picks knowing that it is possible at any time to have a lousy day.

3. I promise not to bet my whole bankroll in one day then complain about you losing all my money.

4. If I'm one of these losers, I'll not beat my spouse senseless when I lose.

 

 
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The dog system is broken up into four groups.

Home Dog win

Home Dog lose

Road Dog win

Road Dog lose

 

When a streak in any of these groups hit 3 we will have a play. But first we need the streak to stop. It could run 8-10 games or so.

When the streak stops we begin.

Wait two more ganes. Total of three.

Now we are betting on whatever the streak was, Win or lose.

Example. The streak goes LLLLLLLL and stops. We wait two games and then bet that the team will lose. If the streak is WWWWWWL we will bet that team to win.

The drawback is the time it takes ti finish a chase. Could take 5-6 weeks with teams traveling and then you'll need the team to be a fav or dog depending on your chase.

I suggest you play the 5 run system. It's faster and you'll have all the action you can handle. The safest chase is the un.470. but you'll only get 75-100 plays a season.

So that's it. Maybe just follow and play on paper for a week or tow and sere how you make out. Always track your bets. I use Excel and know where I stand at all times. You can dowmload Open Office for free if you don't have Excel. Works just as well.

 

 
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Sorry for the typos. The Viagra is starting to kick in.
 
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I agree Cisco which is why im doing under .470 5 run and home fav. Less plays but should work well.
 
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Ddubb, you think betting is a get ruch quick scheme. GL
 
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Ddubb, you irritate me. You lose because you refuse to realize the MAN has the upper hand.
 
 
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B2W? Dude what's up? What did I say that irritates you?

I am asking questions in order to have some clarity. Baseball is not my strength by any means. I would like to have a profitable situation for the summer. 

And your assertion that I lose is based on what? I am not here to defend my strategies or boast about my earnings. But this year so far I have taken 4 $1000 payouts from my books. (I use 2.) I have made 2 deposits since August of 2011: $800 and $500. I currently have a total bankroll of over $5K. So if you call that losing, you must be a whole lot better than me. I wish you the best but dude, don't be so easily offended by simple questions. 
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