If you click on "MLB" under the "Sport" column a window comes up that you can scroll through. It appears he has updated with all plays now and they look accurate except for the Atlanta loss on Thursday is still not in there....
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Quote Originally Posted by Lippsman:
Thanks guys,
Keep a close eye on what he is posted as his picks on the site. If they stay off then we will pursue that further.
Can you link the address to his posted plays. I don't seem to be going to the correct place I guess
If you click on "MLB" under the "Sport" column a window comes up that you can scroll through. It appears he has updated with all plays now and they look accurate except for the Atlanta loss on Thursday is still not in there....
It always worries me when I see people come into the thread and say a system if perfect when it actually has had some losses.
All eyes are on PSIC now and I hope the correct thing is done here. I'm sure the Morrison backers will be all over him if the record is not updated correctly.
I didn't see any plays posted today
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Thanks manifesto,
It always worries me when I see people come into the thread and say a system if perfect when it actually has had some losses.
All eyes are on PSIC now and I hope the correct thing is done here. I'm sure the Morrison backers will be all over him if the record is not updated correctly.
Yes Lipps, anytime a line is -160 or more most of us usually split the bet. We almost never play the RL exclusively. It's becoming obvious to me that Manifesto is receiving wrong info somewhere. Marlon B and I will speak the truth about PSIC.
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Yes Lipps, anytime a line is -160 or more most of us usually split the bet. We almost never play the RL exclusively. It's becoming obvious to me that Manifesto is receiving wrong info somewhere. Marlon B and I will speak the truth about PSIC.
Are you guys going to get it straight here or what? You sound like a bunch of bitches crying about whether or not he has 1 loss, no losses or a 1/2 of a loss. Does he win or not, because I was real close to signing up with psic but you guys are killing me!
Come on, help me out here.
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Are you guys going to get it straight here or what? You sound like a bunch of bitches crying about whether or not he has 1 loss, no losses or a 1/2 of a loss. Does he win or not, because I was real close to signing up with psic but you guys are killing me!
OK, here's the deal. KK you are right in a sense about 5-0, but no one should know that those 2 games in the beginning of the year were system plays unless you talked to PSIC, because they were released as spot plays. So with that said you should now agree that he would be 3-0 in system plays. As I can tell you are counting the Yankee game as a push, so that would make it 3-1 (which I don't really agree with that because the Yankees won) How can you count that Yankee game run line a loss when it was only 35% of 1 unit bet? That's my question!
Manifesto, help me out, how did you get 4-1 for system plays? I'm guessing you are counting another run line wager as a win. How are we going to track PSIC with the whole run line thing? It's not going to work, mainly because I am not going to add and subtract 35% of 1 unit on every play that has big chalk. Is anyone following me here? I just think it's silly to worry about.
Bottom line, does he win?
Here's what I did. I wrote him an email and suggested that he releases the ML and gives the run line as an OPTION for his clients. I know, someone will come back and say "it's the same thing, now you will have to add or subtract 1.5 units on a -150 win or loss instead of 35% of 1 unit." Well OK, then that's what we will do!
So here's our options, he's either 4-1 like Manifesto said or he's 3-0 because there were really only 3 games played. I vote 3-0 because the 3 games won!
Lipps, Manifesto, KK, JV040 and whoever else has PSIC please respond so we can get started on the right track.
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OK, here's the deal. KK you are right in a sense about 5-0, but no one should know that those 2 games in the beginning of the year were system plays unless you talked to PSIC, because they were released as spot plays. So with that said you should now agree that he would be 3-0 in system plays. As I can tell you are counting the Yankee game as a push, so that would make it 3-1 (which I don't really agree with that because the Yankees won) How can you count that Yankee game run line a loss when it was only 35% of 1 unit bet? That's my question!
Manifesto, help me out, how did you get 4-1 for system plays? I'm guessing you are counting another run line wager as a win. How are we going to track PSIC with the whole run line thing? It's not going to work, mainly because I am not going to add and subtract 35% of 1 unit on every play that has big chalk. Is anyone following me here? I just think it's silly to worry about.
Bottom line, does he win?
Here's what I did. I wrote him an email and suggested that he releases the ML and gives the run line as an OPTION for his clients. I know, someone will come back and say "it's the same thing, now you will have to add or subtract 1.5 units on a -150 win or loss instead of 35% of 1 unit." Well OK, then that's what we will do!
So here's our options, he's either 4-1 like Manifesto said or he's 3-0 because there were really only 3 games played. I vote 3-0 because the 3 games won!
Lipps, Manifesto, KK, JV040 and whoever else has PSIC please respond so we can get started on the right track.
Some confusion over this?! I think it depends what money management style you use to determine a win or loss:
See I am using Labouchere, and continuing my NBA lines with MLB so I also count yankees as a loss, because that day I had 2 system bets - with yankees and Tampa correct? ( the email said to play run line only with yankees, not split it) - it was only Tampa only we were splitting...
So overall that day we split with Tampa Game and lost with yankees so 0-1 on the day isn't it?
If you flat bet ML only you would of been 2-0 on the day, as both games won by 1 run only
I think this is right?!?
Cheers
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Some confusion over this?! I think it depends what money management style you use to determine a win or loss:
See I am using Labouchere, and continuing my NBA lines with MLB so I also count yankees as a loss, because that day I had 2 system bets - with yankees and Tampa correct? ( the email said to play run line only with yankees, not split it) - it was only Tampa only we were splitting...
So overall that day we split with Tampa Game and lost with yankees so 0-1 on the day isn't it?
If you flat bet ML only you would of been 2-0 on the day, as both games won by 1 run only
MarlonB I apoligize for adding another cook to the kitchen. I will not hijack your thread anymore and let you do your thing. I see your point on the 3-0 and agree with you.
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MarlonB I apoligize for adding another cook to the kitchen. I will not hijack your thread anymore and let you do your thing. I see your point on the 3-0 and agree with you.
You could say anything over -160 or so is played at a -1 line.
Marlon B,
The way he is splitting his wagers on the big juice games is actually a -1 wager. Not a -1.5 wager. So in fact the one run wins would be a push. Because if the fave did win by two or more runs that would be a plus payback on the -1.5 wager.
If you use the Labouchere system then it would not be as much of a problem with the bigger juice games. Although anytime you lay -150 or more on a game you are playing with fire.
UKlad,
Did he actually say play the -1.5 line? If he did that changes everything. Also maybe he wasn't clear on the runline thing. Did he mean play the -1.5 line or make a -1 line?
I really don't know what the problem is. If the guy is giving out the same plays to everyone I wonder why there is so much conficting reporting on the plays. It's probably best to just post his plays. It's up to each person to make a -1 line to get the juice down to something reasonable.
Now did he make a play on Atlanta or not?
Also, is all of his plays on myhandicapper, he is telling his clients about? Or will he make some plays that he doesn't post on myhandicapper. Because if he actually does then it's no need to post them, because you can just log on and see what he played. thanks?
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You could say anything over -160 or so is played at a -1 line.
Marlon B,
The way he is splitting his wagers on the big juice games is actually a -1 wager. Not a -1.5 wager. So in fact the one run wins would be a push. Because if the fave did win by two or more runs that would be a plus payback on the -1.5 wager.
If you use the Labouchere system then it would not be as much of a problem with the bigger juice games. Although anytime you lay -150 or more on a game you are playing with fire.
UKlad,
Did he actually say play the -1.5 line? If he did that changes everything. Also maybe he wasn't clear on the runline thing. Did he mean play the -1.5 line or make a -1 line?
I really don't know what the problem is. If the guy is giving out the same plays to everyone I wonder why there is so much conficting reporting on the plays. It's probably best to just post his plays. It's up to each person to make a -1 line to get the juice down to something reasonable.
Now did he make a play on Atlanta or not?
Also, is all of his plays on myhandicapper, he is telling his clients about? Or will he make some plays that he doesn't post on myhandicapper. Because if he actually does then it's no need to post them, because you can just log on and see what he played. thanks?
You could say anything over -160 or so is played at a -1 line.
Marlon B,
The way he is splitting his wagers on the big juice games is actually a -1 wager. Not a -1.5 wager. So in fact the one run wins would be a push. Because if the fave did win by two or more runs that would be a plus payback on the -1.5 wager.
If you use the Labouchere system then it would not be as much of a problem with the bigger juice games. Although anytime you lay -150 or more on a game you are playing with fire.
UKlad,
Did he actually say play the -1.5 line? If he did that changes everything. Also maybe he wasn't clear on the runline thing. Did he mean play the -1.5 line or make a -1 line?
I really don't know what the problem is. If the guy is giving out the same plays to everyone I wonder why there is so much conficting reporting on the plays. It's probably best to just post his plays. It's up to each person to make a -1 line to get the juice down to something reasonable.
Now did he make a play on Atlanta or not?
Also, is all of his plays on myhandicapper, he is telling his clients about? Or will he make some plays that he doesn't post on myhandicapper. Because if he actually does then it's no need to post them, because you can just log on and see what he played. thanks?
Lol , He never stated to play just -1.5, but more his recommendation, he said we were more than welcome to opt for just the moneyline but either way it was a play for the day and they won.
- However I considered it a loss, because as I say I am using my current Labcouhere lines, he did say at these prices you can not effectively use Labouchere which is why we went for just the yankees -1.5 runline if using Labouchere, otherwise we will not recover our losses at the odds of a 1.40 fave for example... this is how it differs to what money management you are using..
If you played the ML then you wouldnt of been using Labouchere method I think..
Using my Labouchere I bet just runline with Yankees as recommended, he has posted it as a loss anyway on that handicapper site based on it being played RL only??.... u can see it says Loss and above the split for both the Tampa Rays ML and RL for that day...
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Quote Originally Posted by Lippsman:
You could say anything over -160 or so is played at a -1 line.
Marlon B,
The way he is splitting his wagers on the big juice games is actually a -1 wager. Not a -1.5 wager. So in fact the one run wins would be a push. Because if the fave did win by two or more runs that would be a plus payback on the -1.5 wager.
If you use the Labouchere system then it would not be as much of a problem with the bigger juice games. Although anytime you lay -150 or more on a game you are playing with fire.
UKlad,
Did he actually say play the -1.5 line? If he did that changes everything. Also maybe he wasn't clear on the runline thing. Did he mean play the -1.5 line or make a -1 line?
I really don't know what the problem is. If the guy is giving out the same plays to everyone I wonder why there is so much conficting reporting on the plays. It's probably best to just post his plays. It's up to each person to make a -1 line to get the juice down to something reasonable.
Now did he make a play on Atlanta or not?
Also, is all of his plays on myhandicapper, he is telling his clients about? Or will he make some plays that he doesn't post on myhandicapper. Because if he actually does then it's no need to post them, because you can just log on and see what he played. thanks?
Lol , He never stated to play just -1.5, but more his recommendation, he said we were more than welcome to opt for just the moneyline but either way it was a play for the day and they won.
- However I considered it a loss, because as I say I am using my current Labcouhere lines, he did say at these prices you can not effectively use Labouchere which is why we went for just the yankees -1.5 runline if using Labouchere, otherwise we will not recover our losses at the odds of a 1.40 fave for example... this is how it differs to what money management you are using..
If you played the ML then you wouldnt of been using Labouchere method I think..
Using my Labouchere I bet just runline with Yankees as recommended, he has posted it as a loss anyway on that handicapper site based on it being played RL only??.... u can see it says Loss and above the split for both the Tampa Rays ML and RL for that day...
UPDATE, to answer all your inquiries, you may contact pcis direct, I am sure he'll be more than happy to explain all your questions, and quote his prices. His private phone number is, no posting of phone numbers or websites...
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UPDATE, to answer all your inquiries, you may contact pcis direct, I am sure he'll be more than happy to explain all your questions, and quote his prices. His private phone number is, no posting of phone numbers or websites...
1. Bet to win 1 unit on Tampa Bay Rays-175 (Because of the moneyline being -175 you have the option to split your bet using 65% on the moneyline and 35% on the Runline -1.5 +119 thus reducing your overall lay and maximizing your dollars at work.
2. Bet to win 1 unit on NY Yankees -1.5 +100 ( you may choose to play the moneyline at -220)
Yankees won by one run so it was a loser plain and simple...
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Regarding last Friday, direct from the source:
*Todays Plays / 10% Money Management*
1. Bet to win 1 unit on Tampa Bay Rays-175 (Because of the moneyline being -175 you have the option to split your bet using 65% on the moneyline and 35% on the Runline -1.5 +119 thus reducing your overall lay and maximizing your dollars at work.
2. Bet to win 1 unit on NY Yankees -1.5 +100 ( you may choose to play the moneyline at -220)
Yankees won by one run so it was a loser plain and simple...
UPDATE, to answer all your inquiries, you may contact pcis direct, I am sure he'll be more than happy to explain all your questions, and quote his prices. His private phone number is, no posting of phone numbers or websites...
UPDATE
MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!
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Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:
UPDATE, to answer all your inquiries, you may contact pcis direct, I am sure he'll be more than happy to explain all your questions, and quote his prices. His private phone number is, no posting of phone numbers or websites...
1. Bet to win 1 unit on Tampa Bay Rays-175 (Because of the moneyline being -175 you have the option to split your bet using 65% on the moneyline and 35% on the Runline -1.5 +119 thus reducing your overall lay and maximizing your dollars at work.
2. Bet to win 1 unit on NY Yankees -1.5 +100 ( you may choose to play the moneyline at -220)
Yankees won by one run so it was a loser plain and simple...
I stand corrected Manifesto, you are right, from looking at the email there was a system loss on the Yankee game. I must have read line 1 only and just bet the ML on both.
So, did we decide on the system record? The way he wrote the email it seems like it has to be 2-1!
Let me know so we can move on.
p.s. GETMERESULTS,
I know no one likes this guy sports_Network, but just leave him alone, let him post if he wants.
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Quote Originally Posted by manifesto:
Regarding last Friday, direct from the source:
*Todays Plays / 10% Money Management*
1. Bet to win 1 unit on Tampa Bay Rays-175 (Because of the moneyline being -175 you have the option to split your bet using 65% on the moneyline and 35% on the Runline -1.5 +119 thus reducing your overall lay and maximizing your dollars at work.
2. Bet to win 1 unit on NY Yankees -1.5 +100 ( you may choose to play the moneyline at -220)
Yankees won by one run so it was a loser plain and simple...
I stand corrected Manifesto, you are right, from looking at the email there was a system loss on the Yankee game. I must have read line 1 only and just bet the ML on both.
So, did we decide on the system record? The way he wrote the email it seems like it has to be 2-1!
Let me know so we can move on.
p.s. GETMERESULTS,
I know no one likes this guy sports_Network, but just leave him alone, let him post if he wants.
GetMeResults, this is my business, this is what I do, your BIG letters are un-impressive, I suggest you read my earlier post in this thread, exposing it for what it really is, I won't elaborate.
Don't underestimate Lippsman, he doesnt take kindly to people who openly insult his intelligence.He has more patience than I do.
your only embarissing yourself without knowing it. i hope you can take this note in a positive form of understanding, because this thread is about to come to a very quick ending.....best regards...
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GetMeResults, this is my business, this is what I do, your BIG letters are un-impressive, I suggest you read my earlier post in this thread, exposing it for what it really is, I won't elaborate.
Don't underestimate Lippsman, he doesnt take kindly to people who openly insult his intelligence.He has more patience than I do.
your only embarissing yourself without knowing it. i hope you can take this note in a positive form of understanding, because this thread is about to come to a very quick ending.....best regards...
MarlonB, "I know no one likes this guy" "let him post if he want's to" thank you for your permission to voice my commentary in an open forum. As far as anyone liking this guy, that is of no concern to me, because the e-mails, and friend request I receive on a daily basis will differ with your statement.
Youve been talking for over a week about pcis, and produced nothing, I mean nothing.. the only thing i see, youve pushed into a corner, and have no retreat, I have access to way more information than you can understand right now. believe one thing, Covers.com will never allow anyone to penetrate Systems and Strategies, for purposes of procurement. the freebies are finished..start your own blog, then you won't have to deal with controvercy, and please don't take a screen name personal, this is business; nothing more. if their is anything I can do in your behalf, please feel free PM ...i truly hope this thread turns out to be a positive factor, I am just calling it the way my experience see's it...
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MarlonB, "I know no one likes this guy" "let him post if he want's to" thank you for your permission to voice my commentary in an open forum. As far as anyone liking this guy, that is of no concern to me, because the e-mails, and friend request I receive on a daily basis will differ with your statement.
Youve been talking for over a week about pcis, and produced nothing, I mean nothing.. the only thing i see, youve pushed into a corner, and have no retreat, I have access to way more information than you can understand right now. believe one thing, Covers.com will never allow anyone to penetrate Systems and Strategies, for purposes of procurement. the freebies are finished..start your own blog, then you won't have to deal with controvercy, and please don't take a screen name personal, this is business; nothing more. if their is anything I can do in your behalf, please feel free PM ...i truly hope this thread turns out to be a positive factor, I am just calling it the way my experience see's it...
Lippsman, based on the information brought forward by "manifesto" I published pcis telephone number, and his created web-site. knowing it would be excluded within the hour. My purpose was to inform anyone interested, that they could simply pic up the phone and call him direct,(as I did) when you have the time, or the interest, go to the sight that manifesto suggest, and everything will become very clear as to what's going on here. you called it correct last week, "nothing but pimping" i call it procuring. take care................what happened to the Sharks? are they in coma?
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Lippsman, based on the information brought forward by "manifesto" I published pcis telephone number, and his created web-site. knowing it would be excluded within the hour. My purpose was to inform anyone interested, that they could simply pic up the phone and call him direct,(as I did) when you have the time, or the interest, go to the sight that manifesto suggest, and everything will become very clear as to what's going on here. you called it correct last week, "nothing but pimping" i call it procuring. take care................what happened to the Sharks? are they in coma?
GetMeResults, this is my business, this is what I do, your BIG letters are un-impressive, I suggest you read my earlier post in this thread, exposing it for what it really is, I won't elaborate.
Don't underestimate Lippsman, he doesnt take kindly to people who openly insult his intelligence.He has more patience than I do.
your only embarissing yourself without knowing it. i hope you can take this note in a positive form of understanding, because this thread is about to come to a very quick ending.....best regards...
YOU CAN TAKE YOUR PSYCHOLOGY AND WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH IT!
NOW GO AWAY SON!
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Quote Originally Posted by sports_Network:
GetMeResults, this is my business, this is what I do, your BIG letters are un-impressive, I suggest you read my earlier post in this thread, exposing it for what it really is, I won't elaborate.
Don't underestimate Lippsman, he doesnt take kindly to people who openly insult his intelligence.He has more patience than I do.
your only embarissing yourself without knowing it. i hope you can take this note in a positive form of understanding, because this thread is about to come to a very quick ending.....best regards...
YOU CAN TAKE YOUR PSYCHOLOGY AND WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH IT!
Carefull little fella, they have a place for disruptive behaviour, your getting carried away, hey! I am sorry I spilled your Kool-Aid; this is
Systems and Stategies, not a chat room for little boys trying to be men.. i am sure your familiar with IP traces, so once again, be carefull, no need for all this drama your trying to cause; no need to pull the plug on you at this point, the only psychology here is those BIG letters, their a give away..now go outside, and take some deep breaths, and don't let this get to ya! have a good day
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Carefull little fella, they have a place for disruptive behaviour, your getting carried away, hey! I am sorry I spilled your Kool-Aid; this is
Systems and Stategies, not a chat room for little boys trying to be men.. i am sure your familiar with IP traces, so once again, be carefull, no need for all this drama your trying to cause; no need to pull the plug on you at this point, the only psychology here is those BIG letters, their a give away..now go outside, and take some deep breaths, and don't let this get to ya! have a good day
C'mon guys.. don't spoil the thread.. It's a lovely sunny day so just chill!
Sports_network, I mean no offense intended at all but I got to confess, I don't really know what the angle is here ? what is it your suggesting be the main issue with this thread? I thought we were just discussing a certain service and the system results, so far we have done exactly that havn't we? There has been no plays since the ones said. Let me know how I can try help out any more.. again no offense, or direct dig, just unclear as to why it's all getting out of hand!
All the best :)
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C'mon guys.. don't spoil the thread.. It's a lovely sunny day so just chill!
Sports_network, I mean no offense intended at all but I got to confess, I don't really know what the angle is here ? what is it your suggesting be the main issue with this thread? I thought we were just discussing a certain service and the system results, so far we have done exactly that havn't we? There has been no plays since the ones said. Let me know how I can try help out any more.. again no offense, or direct dig, just unclear as to why it's all getting out of hand!
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