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Julespussy

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Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 12:45 AM ET #376

Now you're talking - stick to what you do best....

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Sentinel3

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Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 1:05 AM ET #377

Quote Originally Posted by Julespussy:

Now you're talking - stick to what you do best....

Jules lets just agree to disagree. Only time can tell the story as others have suggested. I could make this claim until im blue in the face. Maybe 5 years from now it will start to sink in. Lets leave it here.

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Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 1:32 AM ET #378

Quote Originally Posted by Julespussy:

Now you're talking - stick to what you do best....

Jules why are you here? Seriously? Are you tailing plays? I don't see you offering constructive insight. Are you doing what you do best...hating?

Sentinel has been picking winners at a solid rate. If you can't see that and take advantage in some way then you're lost.

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Julespussy

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Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 1:56 AM ET #379

Do you even know what a hater is?

Have you even read my posts?

I consistently praise his hit rate but persist in picking holes in his claims that his money management strategy is flawed. As is the logic he uses to defend it.

That's my contribution. Covers is about more than posting picks; there is a lot to debate. I've explained my reasons for my views throughout. Sorry you can't see the value in debate

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Scutaro29

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Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 2:02 AM ET #380

Go on julesy!

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fsulover100

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Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 2:03 AM ET #381

This is a fun thread to read :)

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MMAwizard

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Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 7:28 AM ET #382

Quote Originally Posted by Julespussy:

Now you're talking - stick to what you do best....

You call this debate. This just seems like a rebellious teenager who's running his mouth.

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Sentinel3

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Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 12:02 PM ET #383

Quote Originally Posted by Julespussy:

Do you even know what a hater is?

Have you even read my posts?

I consistently praise his hit rate but persist in picking holes in his claims that his money management strategy is flawed. As is the logic he uses to defend it.

That's my contribution. Covers is about more than posting picks; there is a lot to debate. I've explained my reasons for my views throughout. Sorry you can't see the value in debate

There is a lot to debate. The thing about money management Jules is its depends on two things. Strikerate and THE LOSING STREAK. What defeats just about every system ever created is that unexpected losing streak the wrong side of 6. Especially if the system suffers them frequently.

It's what keeps the myth alive that any form of progression is a bad thing. Let me give my take on this attitude. Everyone who rides with this attitude has lost a lot. So much that it becomes ingrained in their mind that beating the odds, juice, books, Is IMPOSSIBLE. Thats what happens. Then someone like me arrives, and starts talking of a grail like method that not only holds above break even point. It rarely loses beyond 5 straight.

The natural reaction is one of scepticism, of course it is. Why would it be anything else? All intelligent people like to believe they know everything Thats possible in this world. That's why most scientists are atheists. If they can't see it or prove it. It simply cannot be. Time is the the great leveller. It takes us all eventually. It also CHANGES ATTITUDES. Thats why I came here. One sceptic said, if you had a system worth a hoot, you wouldn't be sharing it for free. When the exact opposite is actually the case.

When you REALLY have a system that works you can reveal it for free because you are already making plenty of coin from it. The challenge for me is to see how long it takes before people realize just how powerful this strategy sitting on this forum is.

It's one of the best if not the best. But of course only time will ingrain that in a lot of minds. Just as time has created a lot of sceptics who have experienced plenty of losing and not enough winning.

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Quote Originally Posted by Julespussy:

Do you even know what a hater is?

Have you even read my posts?

I consistently praise his hit rate but persist in picking holes in his claims that his money management strategy is flawed. As is the logic he uses to defend it.

That's my contribution. Covers is about more than posting picks; there is a lot to debate. I've explained my reasons for my views throughout. Sorry you can't see the value in debate

There is a lot to debate. The thing about money management Jules is its depends on two things. Strikerate and THE LOSING STREAK. What defeats just about every system ever created is that unexpected losing streak the wrong side of 6. Especially if the system suffers them frequently.

It's what keeps the myth alive that any form of progression is a bad thing. Let me give my take on this attitude. Everyone who rides with this attitude has lost a lot. So much that it becomes ingrained in their mind that beating the odds, juice, books, Is IMPOSSIBLE. Thats what happens. Then someone like me arrives, and starts talking of a grail like method that not only holds above break even point. It rarely loses beyond 5 straight.

The natural reaction is one of scepticism, of course it is. Why would it be anything else? All intelligent people like to believe they know everything Thats possible in this world. That's why most scientists are atheists. If they can't see it or prove it. It simply cannot be. Time is the the great leveller. It takes us all eventually. It also CHANGES ATTITUDES. Thats why I came here. One sceptic said, if you had a system worth a hoot, you wouldn't be sharing it for free. When the exact opposite is actually the case.

When you REALLY have a system that works you can reveal it for free because you are already making plenty of coin from it. The challenge for me is to see how long it takes before people realize just how powerful this strategy sitting on this forum is.

It's one of the best if not the best. But of course only time will ingrain that in a lot of minds. Just as time has created a lot of sceptics who have experienced plenty of losing and not enough winning.

Sentinel3

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Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 12:39 PM ET #384

BANKROLL 1047.36 units

CALI CHALLENGER

Pick number 094-V.Estrella VS G.Lama

V.Estrella to win @1.44-- Stake 10 units

WIN/LOSS SUMMARY 67--26

STRIKERATE 72.04%

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Sentinel3

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Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 5:11 PM ET #385

BANKROLL 1051.76 units

CALI CHALLENGER

Pick number 095-M.Arevalo VS G.Andreozzi

G.Andreozzi to win @1.40--Stake 10 units

WIN/LOSS SUMMARY 68--26

STRIKERATE 72.33%

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Julespussy

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Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 10:02 PM ET #386

Good day everyone!

So why does the streak stop at 5 or 6? You don't know, it just seems to, right?
You can't claim a revolutionary approach to money management because at its core you don't know quite why it works.
It is your strike rate relative to the odds that keeps you in the black. Flat betting would do the same as SIMPLE maths would show.

Good luck with your picks!

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gtmoney76

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Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 10:53 PM ET #387

Sentinel3,

Let me pose you a question, what in your handicapping makes you believe that your losing streak will not last over 5 or 6 matches? I believe I know the answer but would like to hear your thoughts on this. Keep in mind I am not taking into account your money management system. At the end of the day we all have to pick winners or we lose money.

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Sentinel3

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Posted: Oct. 2, 2014 - 12:17 AM ET #388

BANKROLL 1055.76 units

WTA DOUBLES BEIJING CHINA

Pick number 096-Hingis/Pennetta V Mladenovic/Pavlyuchenkova

Hingis/Pennetta to win @1.44--Stake 10 units

WIN/LOSS SUMMARY 69--26

STRIKERATE 72.63%

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Sentinel3

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Posted: Oct. 2, 2014 - 12:33 AM ET #389

Quote Originally Posted by Julespussy:

Good day everyone!

So why does the streak stop at 5 or 6? You don't know, it just seems to, right?
You can't claim a revolutionary approach to money management because at its core you don't know quite why it works.
It is your strike rate relative to the odds that keeps you in the black. Flat betting would do the same as SIMPLE maths would show.

Good luck with your picks!

Jules the thing is this, even IF a losing streak were ever to make it to 8 I cannot lose because I have an insurance bet as a parlay player. I don't flat bet anyway. I'm only presenting the strategy on here in that format for proofing purposes.

I'm a parlay player in ROLLING fashion. And being so picking 8 dogs or more would be a dream come true for me. Every time I start a new betting run. I place a unit on the dog. If I were to ever have a losing streak of 8 at average odds of 2.5 that would translate into around 1,500 times my stake.

It's simply a win win situation Jules.

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Sentinel3

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Posted: Oct. 2, 2014 - 12:51 AM ET #390

Quote Originally Posted by gtmoney76:

Sentinel3,

Let me pose you a question, what in your handicapping makes you believe that your losing streak will not last over 5 or 6 matches? I believe I know the answer but would like to hear your thoughts on this. Keep in mind I am not taking into account your money management system. At the end of the day we all have to pick winners or we lose money.

There are SEVERAL factors random is one factor GT. Plus staying away from the top players most of the time who are notorious for choking at the wrong time from the QTR finals onwards. Especially male French players not naming any names lol!

Not playing too many picks in one day is also a factor. You get days when dogs seem to win everything. If you're only on two or three picks in that day you are less likely to be hit bad.

Then there's the bet selection itself. knowing a bit about what your player is LIKELY to do if he/she maintains the form they've shown in recent times.

All the above give me a chance to hit at above break even point to level stakes. And avoid losing streaks beyond 5 or 6. I'm so used to not even losing beyond 4 in a row. That even when I lose two in a row I get upset. That's how strong can consistent this strategy is. A downturn for me is losing 3 or 4 in a row once in a while.

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gtmoney76

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Posted: Oct. 2, 2014 - 1:17 AM ET #391

The stratagy you propose is basically betting only the cream and limiting number of plays. Not a bad idea to slowly build a roll. I usually have a pretty high strike rate on favorites but I prefer taking a few more chances on dogs especially in WTA, usually a decent strike rate if you know a number of these players. I was going to say before you are usually picking from the Challenger circuit where it is hard to lose more then a few is you are betting that all the time. You basically have ATP players playing in the minors and most books will miss the mark on pricing so you get big discounts. Players that can serve at this level can really clean up for you. Guys like Brand, Berrer, Moodie, Wessels, etc have made a pile of cash for me through the years on these type level.....also helps they play challengers 12months out of the year as oppose to ATP. Best of luck going forward.

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Posted: Oct. 2, 2014 - 1:19 AM ET #392

Quote Originally Posted by Sentinel3:

Quote Originally Posted by Julespussy:

Good day everyone!So why does the streak stop at 5 or 6? You don't know, it just seems to, right?You can't claim a revolutionary approach to money management because at its core you don't know quite why it works.It is your strike rate relative to the odds that keeps you in the black. Flat betting would do the same as SIMPLE maths would show.Good luck with your picks!

Jules the thing is this, even IF a losing streak were ever to make it to 8 I cannot lose because I have an insurance bet as a parlay player. I don't flat bet anyway. I'm only presenting the strategy on here in that format for proofing purposes.I'm a parlay player in ROLLING fashion. And being so picking 8 dogs or more would be a dream come true for me. Every time I start a new betting run. I place a unit on the dog. If I were to ever have a losing streak of 8 at average odds of 2.5 that would translate into around 1,500 times my stake.It's simply a win win situation Jules.

So you start each new streak by betting eg 5 units on the winner and 1 on the dog.

So you bet on both sides. I can see why it's called revolutionary. See you in the winners circle. As Andrew Wiles said, I think I'll stop here....

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Sentinel3

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Posted: Oct. 2, 2014 - 1:30 AM ET #393

Quote Originally Posted by gtmoney76:

The stratagy you propose is basically betting only the cream and limiting number of plays. Not a bad idea to slowly build a roll. I usually have a pretty high strike rate on favorites but I prefer taking a few more chances on dogs especially in WTA, usually a decent strike rate if you know a number of these players. I was going to say before you are usually picking from the Challenger circuit where it is hard to lose more then a few is you are betting that all the time. You basically have ATP players playing in the minors and most books will miss the mark on pricing so you get big discounts. Players that can serve at this level can really clean up for you. Guys like Brand, Berrer, Moodie, Wessels, etc have made a pile of cash for me through the years on these type level.....also helps they play challengers 12months out of the year as oppose to ATP. Best of luck going forward.

Thats right GT I look for consistency above a players placing in the world rankings. Top players also have little value because too many peolple with sheep mentality are on them. Theres little point betting on Djokovic for example when you will be lucky to win 1/10th of your stake.

In the lower level tour there are players who do very well on a consistent basis in the early rounds of a tournament and also come in at worthwhile odds of 1.4 or higher. Thats where I come in.

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Sentinel3

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Posted: Oct. 2, 2014 - 7:26 AM ET #394

BANKROLL 1045.56 units

MONS CHALLENGER

Pick number 097-T.Bellucci VS M.Ilhan

T.Bellucci to win @1.44--Stake 10 units

WIN/LOSS SUMMARY 69--27

STRIKERATE 71.85%

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Sentinel3

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Posted: Oct. 2, 2014 - 2:04 PM ET #395

BANKROLL 1035.76 units

SACRAMENTO CHALLENGER

Pick number 098-J.Milliman VS D.Kutrovsky

J.Millman to win @1.40--STAKE 10 units

WIN/LOSS SUMMARY 69--28

STRIKERATE 71.10%

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Sentinel3

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Posted: Oct. 2, 2014 - 2:08 PM ET #396

BANKROLL 1035.76

CALI CHALLENGER

Pick number 099-V.Estrella VS N.Jarry

V.Estrella to win @1.57--STAKE 10 units

WIN/LOSS SUMMARY 69--28

STRIKERATE 71.10%

I have a situation where I've got two matches I like close together so I am playing them both...

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kianinyvr

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Posted: Oct. 2, 2014 - 2:35 PM ET #397

Sentinel, are you putting a lot of research into your picks as well, or are you basically picking players in the zone, while avoiding big names and matches past qfs and semis?

Also, can you outline your money management system. I'm kinda lost on that.

Cheers mate

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Posted: Oct. 2, 2014 - 3:16 PM ET #398

Quote Originally Posted by kianinyvr:

Sentinel, are you putting a lot of research into your picks as well, or are you basically picking players in the zone, while avoiding big names and matches past qfs and semis?

Also, can you outline your money management system. I'm kinda lost on that.

Cheers mate

HI Kianinyvr, it varies. There are certain players I have researched and know how well they perform on a certain surface. And how well they're presently playing. I don't always pass up qtr finals or even finals. I've had several wins and losses in the last 8. But what I do is see how players perform in the earlier rounds in most tournaments.

The most consistent ones become my short list for picks. The zone is simply a PRICING RANGE. I adhere to as I generally see a good Hit rate in it. Plus it's purpose is to allow two wins to cover one loss. It has purpose.

MONEY MANAGEMENT is the area most hotly debated since I hit this forum. I have very flexible thinking about it because of certain strengths the zone has.

For example most people are scared of any type of progression it's a no, no by most so-called handicapping experts. The problem is these same experts don't really have strong systems to start with. None of them could tell you for example that losing more than 5 times in a row is very rare.

With the Zone it is just that VERY RARE. So whereas most people would be terrified of using a martingale to chase losses. It would hold up pretty solidly with the zone. But then again so would level stakes. It just takes longer to grind out a profit.

I actually don't straight bet my picks anyhow. I parlay them in pairs and trebles. It's the most lucrative way to bet the method. I also have an insurance bet for up to four consecutive losses. So I basically never lose any money parlay betting. If the favourites aren't making me coin the dogs are. That's the way you do it.

Straight betting is a long grind. And I'm only presenting the method in that form on here for classic proofing. As all the purists want to know is can it turn a profit above break even point to level stakes.