The good thing about the Super Bowl games is the stats and trends for the games, but the bad thing about it is there are too many to look at.
The stats and trends that I have looked at put the Colts slightly favored in this matchup but not by 6.5 - 7.5 points. IMO Manning is a very good QB but the problem is that the Bears DB's have very good hands. The Colts might have to throw a screw ball into the Bears defensive plans. While the Bears are preparing hard for a pass happy Colts offense the Colts should prepare to run it down the Bears throat. Addai & Rhodes is that enough running game for this Bears defense? I don't feel that it would be enough and this game should be kept close.
Looked at the O/U stats in Super Bowls and the average totals comes out to 45.7 points. Bears & Colts both have been playing solid defense and may keep this low scoring.
Bears & under
I would love to be on the thread with you guys while the game is playing, but as usual we are hosting the Super Bowl party at the house so have fun and drink responsibly to all of you drinkers out there.
Aloha and good luck to all
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The good thing about the Super Bowl games is the stats and trends for the games, but the bad thing about it is there are too many to look at.
The stats and trends that I have looked at put the Colts slightly favored in this matchup but not by 6.5 - 7.5 points. IMO Manning is a very good QB but the problem is that the Bears DB's have very good hands. The Colts might have to throw a screw ball into the Bears defensive plans. While the Bears are preparing hard for a pass happy Colts offense the Colts should prepare to run it down the Bears throat. Addai & Rhodes is that enough running game for this Bears defense? I don't feel that it would be enough and this game should be kept close.
Looked at the O/U stats in Super Bowls and the average totals comes out to 45.7 points. Bears & Colts both have been playing solid defense and may keep this low scoring.
Bears & under
I would love to be on the thread with you guys while the game is playing, but as usual we are hosting the Super Bowl party at the house so have fun and drink responsibly to all of you drinkers out there.
Along with the Bears and the UNDER, the props I like are: Longest TD under 44; Manning over 274 Yards; Longest punt under 55.5 yards. This is what is all about guys. I'm starting to lose my mind.
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Along with the Bears and the UNDER, the props I like are: Longest TD under 44; Manning over 274 Yards; Longest punt under 55.5 yards. This is what is all about guys. I'm starting to lose my mind.
almost time to go on methadone to ease the shakes.
JT i watch military hx, sci fi , movies etc. i just cant watch the med shows no matter how good they are im never drawn to them now but loved mash as a kid(ironic huh)
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almost time to go on methadone to ease the shakes.
JT i watch military hx, sci fi , movies etc. i just cant watch the med shows no matter how good they are im never drawn to them now but loved mash as a kid(ironic huh)
The weather forecast for Miami shows thunderstorms in the morning with "few showers" during the day. Need to keep an eye on the weather as it may affect the game.
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The weather forecast for Miami shows thunderstorms in the morning with "few showers" during the day. Need to keep an eye on the weather as it may affect the game.
COLTS BY 13 THE QB SAYS IT ALL THESE 2 QB'S ARE THE ONES IN CONTROL OF THE GAME MANNING WAY TO SMART FOR THE CUBS D
i concur. one of the greatest to play the game with soooooo many weapons. peyton wants it. bears defense is great and i generally lean towards the better defense, but the colts d have come alive and it's just there time. Colts by two touchdowns. Plus, watch grossman call a timeout with none left
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Quote Originally Posted by The Goat:
COLTS BY 13 THE QB SAYS IT ALL THESE 2 QB'S ARE THE ONES IN CONTROL OF THE GAME MANNING WAY TO SMART FOR THE CUBS D
i concur. one of the greatest to play the game with soooooo many weapons. peyton wants it. bears defense is great and i generally lean towards the better defense, but the colts d have come alive and it's just there time. Colts by two touchdowns. Plus, watch grossman call a timeout with none left
I think smokey is on bears and the over...for the record.
So it looks like we have 16-13 in favor of the Colts-7 and 16-13 in favor of the under. I am surprised to see the majority on the under.
P.S. I think it's ok that you say hell on this forum Scorp!!!!!!
Just for the record you're both right I was leaning twards the over but hadn't put a wager on it.
I have since indeed taken both the Bears and the over. It is official I am on the Bears+7 , Over 48 and a handful of ridiculus low risk high reward proposition bets that I have a better chance og getting hit by lightning then winning. But hey it's the Superbowl right.
by the way....Have to admit the Smokey the Bear thing made me chuckle
Good Luck Guys
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Quote Originally Posted by jthollywood:
Scorp,
I think smokey is on bears and the over...for the record.
So it looks like we have 16-13 in favor of the Colts-7 and 16-13 in favor of the under. I am surprised to see the majority on the under.
P.S. I think it's ok that you say hell on this forum Scorp!!!!!!
Just for the record you're both right I was leaning twards the over but hadn't put a wager on it.
I have since indeed taken both the Bears and the over. It is official I am on the Bears+7 , Over 48 and a handful of ridiculus low risk high reward proposition bets that I have a better chance og getting hit by lightning then winning. But hey it's the Superbowl right.
by the way....Have to admit the Smokey the Bear thing made me chuckle
hey smokey, i just was given a big humidor and probably about 2000 bucks worth of cohibas , i rarely smoke but i suppose i could learn. one of my very wealthy friends just dropped it on my doorstep for his health.
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hey smokey, i just was given a big humidor and probably about 2000 bucks worth of cohibas , i rarely smoke but i suppose i could learn. one of my very wealthy friends just dropped it on my doorstep for his health.
hey smokey, i just was given a big humidor and probably about 2000 bucks worth of cohibas , i rarely smoke but i suppose i could learn. one of my very wealthy friends just dropped it on my doorstep for his health.
Whats up Doc. You are a very fortunate man. Thats quite a friend you have there. I enjoy Cohiba's especiallly ones from Havana. Obviously Macanudos are my smoke of choice. Nothin like a good stogie to bring clarity while tryin to pick winners. looks like you found yourself a new habit.
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Quote Originally Posted by drJ:
hey smokey, i just was given a big humidor and probably about 2000 bucks worth of cohibas , i rarely smoke but i suppose i could learn. one of my very wealthy friends just dropped it on my doorstep for his health.
Whats up Doc. You are a very fortunate man. Thats quite a friend you have there. I enjoy Cohiba's especiallly ones from Havana. Obviously Macanudos are my smoke of choice. Nothin like a good stogie to bring clarity while tryin to pick winners. looks like you found yourself a new habit.
Easy grego, Hester can help you and he can hurt you. He does have 11 fumbles this year on special teams....he did not lose all them fumbles but he is known for putting the ball on the turf. The weather is not supposed to be that great either.....Buyer beware!!!!!!
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Easy grego, Hester can help you and he can hurt you. He does have 11 fumbles this year on special teams....he did not lose all them fumbles but he is known for putting the ball on the turf. The weather is not supposed to be that great either.....Buyer beware!!!!!!
I found it and copied this - not sure if ANY figures are correct. The results have not been updated but the system part of this post is what I want to share.
Super Bowl System ( old record was 32-3-2 ATS)
Here is a system that some have used for the last few years. It did lose last year with Oakland. The Oakland loss was the only loss in the last 19 Super Bowls and is 32-3-2 ATS. Hank Stram had a system that was somewhat like this but this one has been changed to add numbers that can be researched.
Use Regular season stats only. Only 1 team should get points from each category. Stats can be found at different websites. Obviously, New England will get 10 points for winning a Super Bowl in the last 3 years and get another 8 since Carolina has not been in a Super Bowl. (It looks as if the Pats will be a big favorite in this system)
Points 10 If team has won the Super Bowl in last 3 years 8 if an opponent is going to their first Super Bowl 8 to the team that allows fewer defensive rushes 7 give to team with most offensive rushes 7 award the team with best overall record (straight up) 5 to the team with the lowest def. rush average per carry 4 give 4 pts. to the team with the better ATS record 4 to the team that has the superior NET penalty yards 4 to the team with the best NET kick-punt TD returns 3.5 team with the best yds per pass attempt 3.5 to the team that gave up the fewest points 3.5 allowed the fewest rushing TD's 3 award 3 points to the team with the most sacks 2.5 team with the fewest offensive pass attempts 2 team with the best NET punts (total) on the season 1.5 add to the team with the best avg. per off. rush 1 add 1 to the team with the best completion percent
System results: BEARS plus the points!!
Here are the system results for the last 19 (outdated) Super Bowls showing the point totals, spread, difference and actual score.
19 SF 57.5 (-3.5) over Miami 12 42 WIN 38-16 20 Chi 45.5 (-10) over NE 6 29.5 WIN 46-10 21 NYG 54.5 (-9.5) over Den 13 32 WIN 39-20 22 Wash 43.5 (+3) over Den 12 34.5 WIN 42-10 23 Cin 28 (+7) over SF 27 8 WIN 16-20 24 SF 40.5 (-12.5) over Den 20 8.5 WIN 55-10 25 NYG 33.5 (+7) over Buff 24 16.5 WIN 20-19 26 Wash 53 (-7) over Buff 6.5 39.5 WIN 37-24 27 Dal 35.5 (-6.5) over Buff 21 8 WIN 52-17 28 Dal 36 (-10) over Buff 19 7 WIN 30-13 29 SF 53 (-18) over SD 14.5 20.5 WIN 49-26 30 Pitt 29.5 (+13.5) over Dal 40 3 WIN 17-27 31 GB 50.5 (-14) over NE 9 27.5 PUSH 35-21 32 Den 35.5 (+11.5) over GB 34 13 WIN 31-24 33 Den 37.5 (-7) over Atl 26 4.5 WIN 34-19 34 STL 51 (-7) over Tn 9.5 34.5 Push 23-16 35 Bal 38 (-3) over NYG 29.5 5.5 WIN 34-7 36 NE 28.5 (+14) over STL 41 1.5 WIN 20-17 37 Oak 37 (-4) over TB 20.5 16.5 Loss 21-48
Sorry for not updating to current record standing..If someone would like to update this info that would be ok by me.
GL all,
RIPPER
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I found it and copied this - not sure if ANY figures are correct. The results have not been updated but the system part of this post is what I want to share.
Super Bowl System ( old record was 32-3-2 ATS)
Here is a system that some have used for the last few years. It did lose last year with Oakland. The Oakland loss was the only loss in the last 19 Super Bowls and is 32-3-2 ATS. Hank Stram had a system that was somewhat like this but this one has been changed to add numbers that can be researched.
Use Regular season stats only. Only 1 team should get points from each category. Stats can be found at different websites. Obviously, New England will get 10 points for winning a Super Bowl in the last 3 years and get another 8 since Carolina has not been in a Super Bowl. (It looks as if the Pats will be a big favorite in this system)
Points 10 If team has won the Super Bowl in last 3 years 8 if an opponent is going to their first Super Bowl 8 to the team that allows fewer defensive rushes 7 give to team with most offensive rushes 7 award the team with best overall record (straight up) 5 to the team with the lowest def. rush average per carry 4 give 4 pts. to the team with the better ATS record 4 to the team that has the superior NET penalty yards 4 to the team with the best NET kick-punt TD returns 3.5 team with the best yds per pass attempt 3.5 to the team that gave up the fewest points 3.5 allowed the fewest rushing TD's 3 award 3 points to the team with the most sacks 2.5 team with the fewest offensive pass attempts 2 team with the best NET punts (total) on the season 1.5 add to the team with the best avg. per off. rush 1 add 1 to the team with the best completion percent
System results: BEARS plus the points!!
Here are the system results for the last 19 (outdated) Super Bowls showing the point totals, spread, difference and actual score.
19 SF 57.5 (-3.5) over Miami 12 42 WIN 38-16 20 Chi 45.5 (-10) over NE 6 29.5 WIN 46-10 21 NYG 54.5 (-9.5) over Den 13 32 WIN 39-20 22 Wash 43.5 (+3) over Den 12 34.5 WIN 42-10 23 Cin 28 (+7) over SF 27 8 WIN 16-20 24 SF 40.5 (-12.5) over Den 20 8.5 WIN 55-10 25 NYG 33.5 (+7) over Buff 24 16.5 WIN 20-19 26 Wash 53 (-7) over Buff 6.5 39.5 WIN 37-24 27 Dal 35.5 (-6.5) over Buff 21 8 WIN 52-17 28 Dal 36 (-10) over Buff 19 7 WIN 30-13 29 SF 53 (-18) over SD 14.5 20.5 WIN 49-26 30 Pitt 29.5 (+13.5) over Dal 40 3 WIN 17-27 31 GB 50.5 (-14) over NE 9 27.5 PUSH 35-21 32 Den 35.5 (+11.5) over GB 34 13 WIN 31-24 33 Den 37.5 (-7) over Atl 26 4.5 WIN 34-19 34 STL 51 (-7) over Tn 9.5 34.5 Push 23-16 35 Bal 38 (-3) over NYG 29.5 5.5 WIN 34-7 36 NE 28.5 (+14) over STL 41 1.5 WIN 20-17 37 Oak 37 (-4) over TB 20.5 16.5 Loss 21-48
Sorry for not updating to current record standing..If someone would like to update this info that would be ok by me.
Here is something I have to share that may be usefull to the undecided..
INDIANAPOLIS(7) 49 vs CHICAGO....
after throwing away money on SB's 30,31 and 32 by counting on the "big guns" just destroying the obviously inferior opponent it was time to figure out why the obviously inferior opponent kept taking the money. i just had to go back and believe the age old saying that defense wins championships, and dam sure usually gets the money. i applied the "david vs goliath" mentality with the "defense wins championships" theory and did the homework to come up with the reason for this improbable yet repetitive outcome.
as we all know vegas never loses and superbowls rarely come out like we thought, it's the biggest money exchange of the year even over christmas. vegas sets the odds by perception subconciously swaying the general public as to who they want the public to take, the bigger the #, the easier the blowout....supposedly.
after breaking down every superbowl going back to the 1st one it became painfully obvious that in fact the better defensive team does in fact show up on super sunday and do what they have done all year long. a couple good playoff games means nothing, it's what you've done over the course of the year consistently that makes the difference.
the keys to winning the superbowl have always been based on 3 things.. 1) being able to run 2) stopping the run 3) turnovers
any superbowl not decided by these things is an abboration and i defy anyone to point one out.
SB 41 indy averages 114.5 rushing yrds per game chi averages 123.8 rushing yrds per game
indy allows an ave of 157.3 rushing yrds per game chi allows an ave of 98.8 rushing yrds per game
indy averages -1.3 turnovers per game chi averages +2.1 turnovers per game
hence the systems i developed are based on how teams have done defensively all year over the long haul. winning streaks and losing streaks come and go, but defensive consistency is just that, and takes a back seat to nothing.
onto the systems...
!) THE SHUTDOWN SYSTEM.
take the team who has allowed thier opponents to score 3pts or less the most times during the regular season. if that # is equal...take the team who has allowed thier opponents to score 3pts or less more times in the playoffs. if that # is equal...take the points.
this system has gone.... 11-4-2 ats in the last 17 SB'S 15-6-2 ats in the last 23 SB'S 24-13-3 ats in all SB'S
an interesting subset to this system is that if one of the SB participants has a 2 or more game advantage that team has gone 10-1 su and 9-2 ats the last 11 times it has happened, averaging a final score of 35-19 with a total of 54 points.
SB 16 SF-1.........(+2 EDGE) WON 26-21 SB 19 SF-3.........(+2 EDGE) WON 38-16 SB 20 CHI-10......(+2 EDGE) WON 46-10 SB 22 DEN-3.5....(+2 EDGE) LOST 10-42 SB 26 WASH-7....(+3 EDGE) WON 37-24 SB 27 DAL-6.5.....(+2 EDGE) WON 52-17 SB 28 DAL-10.5...(+2 EDGE) WON 30-13 SB 32 DEN+11.5...(+4 EDGE) WON 31-24 SB 35 BAL-3........(+4 EDGE) WON 34-7 SB 37 TB+3.5......(+2 EDGE) WON 48-21 SB 38 NE-7.........(+3 EDGE) WON 32-29
now should there be a 2 or more game advantage for one team and the ave point total of the game reach the 54 point average chances are one of the teams will score 30pts or more, if this is the case.....
the SB 30pt breakdown....
all SB teams scoring 30pts or more are 18-1-2 ats SB favs scoring 30pts or more are 14-1-2 ats SB favs scoring less than 30pts are 6-16-1 ats (1-10-1 ats last 12)
if a SB team scores 30pts or more those bowls ave 55pts per game.
2) THE DEF-CON SYSTEM (defensive consistency)
take the team with the greater amount of regular season games in which they held thier opponents to less than 10 points. if the # is equal...take the points.
this is the queen mother of superbowl systems that has consistantly produced the ats winner....
8-1-2 ats in last 11 superbowls 11-3-2 ats in last 16 superbowls 18-5-2 ats in last 25 superbowls
GL,
RIPPER
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Here is something I have to share that may be usefull to the undecided..
INDIANAPOLIS(7) 49 vs CHICAGO....
after throwing away money on SB's 30,31 and 32 by counting on the "big guns" just destroying the obviously inferior opponent it was time to figure out why the obviously inferior opponent kept taking the money. i just had to go back and believe the age old saying that defense wins championships, and dam sure usually gets the money. i applied the "david vs goliath" mentality with the "defense wins championships" theory and did the homework to come up with the reason for this improbable yet repetitive outcome.
as we all know vegas never loses and superbowls rarely come out like we thought, it's the biggest money exchange of the year even over christmas. vegas sets the odds by perception subconciously swaying the general public as to who they want the public to take, the bigger the #, the easier the blowout....supposedly.
after breaking down every superbowl going back to the 1st one it became painfully obvious that in fact the better defensive team does in fact show up on super sunday and do what they have done all year long. a couple good playoff games means nothing, it's what you've done over the course of the year consistently that makes the difference.
the keys to winning the superbowl have always been based on 3 things.. 1) being able to run 2) stopping the run 3) turnovers
any superbowl not decided by these things is an abboration and i defy anyone to point one out.
SB 41 indy averages 114.5 rushing yrds per game chi averages 123.8 rushing yrds per game
indy allows an ave of 157.3 rushing yrds per game chi allows an ave of 98.8 rushing yrds per game
indy averages -1.3 turnovers per game chi averages +2.1 turnovers per game
hence the systems i developed are based on how teams have done defensively all year over the long haul. winning streaks and losing streaks come and go, but defensive consistency is just that, and takes a back seat to nothing.
onto the systems...
!) THE SHUTDOWN SYSTEM.
take the team who has allowed thier opponents to score 3pts or less the most times during the regular season. if that # is equal...take the team who has allowed thier opponents to score 3pts or less more times in the playoffs. if that # is equal...take the points.
this system has gone.... 11-4-2 ats in the last 17 SB'S 15-6-2 ats in the last 23 SB'S 24-13-3 ats in all SB'S
an interesting subset to this system is that if one of the SB participants has a 2 or more game advantage that team has gone 10-1 su and 9-2 ats the last 11 times it has happened, averaging a final score of 35-19 with a total of 54 points.
SB 16 SF-1.........(+2 EDGE) WON 26-21 SB 19 SF-3.........(+2 EDGE) WON 38-16 SB 20 CHI-10......(+2 EDGE) WON 46-10 SB 22 DEN-3.5....(+2 EDGE) LOST 10-42 SB 26 WASH-7....(+3 EDGE) WON 37-24 SB 27 DAL-6.5.....(+2 EDGE) WON 52-17 SB 28 DAL-10.5...(+2 EDGE) WON 30-13 SB 32 DEN+11.5...(+4 EDGE) WON 31-24 SB 35 BAL-3........(+4 EDGE) WON 34-7 SB 37 TB+3.5......(+2 EDGE) WON 48-21 SB 38 NE-7.........(+3 EDGE) WON 32-29
now should there be a 2 or more game advantage for one team and the ave point total of the game reach the 54 point average chances are one of the teams will score 30pts or more, if this is the case.....
the SB 30pt breakdown....
all SB teams scoring 30pts or more are 18-1-2 ats SB favs scoring 30pts or more are 14-1-2 ats SB favs scoring less than 30pts are 6-16-1 ats (1-10-1 ats last 12)
if a SB team scores 30pts or more those bowls ave 55pts per game.
2) THE DEF-CON SYSTEM (defensive consistency)
take the team with the greater amount of regular season games in which they held thier opponents to less than 10 points. if the # is equal...take the points.
this is the queen mother of superbowl systems that has consistantly produced the ats winner....
8-1-2 ats in last 11 superbowls 11-3-2 ats in last 16 superbowls 18-5-2 ats in last 25 superbowls
playmaker, phancard, Hunted466, 3rd&Long, settleup, Dr. J, JGambler and Grego
from high-roller hollywood
T.D.,
I know you are now upset with me because of my above post and my actions.....I am sorry I have been on good behavior lately...
Not upset at all, my man...you are aces with me regardless...I couldn't undersdtand the post either but I have an excuse (all of us coaching-types are as dumb as a box of rocks!!)..speak your mind, hollywood...like I said on the phone, I love your posts because I can either tell you how brilliant you are or tell you how you have absolutely no clue about what you are talking about!
Dr J... I got dibs on them cee-gars if you don't want 'em...ol' scorp loves a nice cohiba (or maduro) with his Crown on the rocks...I'll give ya a buzz and you can lay some action for me...looks like it's the Bears/Under...voting is over tomorrow I guess...and you are such a stand-up guy I know you will take care of business for me...I am driving to out west this summer and hope you will drive down to Vegas to hang with me for a day (sorry I invited hollywood but, hey, I'm hard-up for friendship!)
All kidding aside, I really like the guys in here and YOU ALL have valuable info and insights...I get a kick out of reading your posts and the banter back and forth....you are all Super Bowl Champs in my book!
Good luck men....go make that cheese!!!
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Your daily update, Ladies and Germs!
10 for the Bears/Under
DaDonk, hollywood, Tauntstreet, Colonel Jim, Tex101, Gators1511, KrashRules, ManMan LV (likes ML), big daddy and gym rat
6 for the Bears/Over
Buckner, JWishbone, Irisheyes, IronOaks, here2contribute (likes ML) and Smokey
playmaker, phancard, Hunted466, 3rd&Long, settleup, Dr. J, JGambler and Grego
from high-roller hollywood
T.D.,
I know you are now upset with me because of my above post and my actions.....I am sorry I have been on good behavior lately...
Not upset at all, my man...you are aces with me regardless...I couldn't undersdtand the post either but I have an excuse (all of us coaching-types are as dumb as a box of rocks!!)..speak your mind, hollywood...like I said on the phone, I love your posts because I can either tell you how brilliant you are or tell you how you have absolutely no clue about what you are talking about!
Dr J... I got dibs on them cee-gars if you don't want 'em...ol' scorp loves a nice cohiba (or maduro) with his Crown on the rocks...I'll give ya a buzz and you can lay some action for me...looks like it's the Bears/Under...voting is over tomorrow I guess...and you are such a stand-up guy I know you will take care of business for me...I am driving to out west this summer and hope you will drive down to Vegas to hang with me for a day (sorry I invited hollywood but, hey, I'm hard-up for friendship!)
All kidding aside, I really like the guys in here and YOU ALL have valuable info and insights...I get a kick out of reading your posts and the banter back and forth....you are all Super Bowl Champs in my book!
Both teams will need to establish the run to be successful. Ball control is the name of the game. Both teams knowing this will try to control the ball winning the TOP battle.... Unless of course the game gets out of hand, forcing the losing team to abandon their game plan for the sake of catching up.
I think this will be a close game with long drives.. My instints tell me Colts win but don't cover.. I'm taking the points and the under play.
RIPPER
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Quote Originally Posted by Coloneljim:
SO RIPPER MY BEARS AND UNDER PICK LOOKS GOOD HUH?
I ALSO TOOK HEADS
BEARS WIN THE TOSS ELECT TO RECEIVE
Both teams will need to establish the run to be successful. Ball control is the name of the game. Both teams knowing this will try to control the ball winning the TOP battle.... Unless of course the game gets out of hand, forcing the losing team to abandon their game plan for the sake of catching up.
I think this will be a close game with long drives.. My instints tell me Colts win but don't cover.. I'm taking the points and the under play.
I have to fly you from PA. ........Damn it, that's going to be expensive. We will definetly go play the ponies(that is of course if 17+ points are scored in the first quarter).Forget about Hollywood Park that place is a dump. Santa Anita though is a great track. Even better is Del Mar when they run down there. That track, the city, the beach and the girls........WOW!!!!! Anyways, that under is looking really tasty I think the weather could benefit us under backers.....yeah!!!!!
P.S. I have to watch Grey's Anatomy again tonight...the woman is over tonight....damn it!!!!!
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Colonel,
I have to fly you from PA. ........Damn it, that's going to be expensive. We will definetly go play the ponies(that is of course if 17+ points are scored in the first quarter).Forget about Hollywood Park that place is a dump. Santa Anita though is a great track. Even better is Del Mar when they run down there. That track, the city, the beach and the girls........WOW!!!!! Anyways, that under is looking really tasty I think the weather could benefit us under backers.....yeah!!!!!
P.S. I have to watch Grey's Anatomy again tonight...the woman is over tonight....damn it!!!!!
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