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Posted: #5801
go to the philippines. you only need 1k dollars a month to live good LOL
 
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Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:



Man. It really hits home when ya see Bermax's spreadsheets.

So much red in there it's like looking at a mini Bernie Madoff's net worth.

Or maybe Enron's accounting books. Take your pick.

Cg, take a good hard look at these numbers.

Did you ever see Shawshank Redemption?

Every time I open this thread I think of you being the obese guy who wouldn't be quiet in the beginning of the movie and Vegas being Byron Hadley (ya know the corrupt cop).

Man, did he do a number in that guy! Boom! Kicked him right in the face! He was dragged out by his feet!

So many parallels between your trip and that movie...fresh fish being one of them. And it's not just your tilapia fetish. Vegas sees you as the ultimate fresh fish...fresh fish....fresh fish! Everybody! Come on let's clap!

"Big Holes" being another parallel.

What is your plan here?

Andy Dufrene had a plan. Remember he smuggled out that dinner spoon to burrow into the wall?

Remember he dumped all his dirt in the yard from his pants pockets?

The poster of Rita Hayworth! 

Gosh, he even took the warden's shoes with him in the end! Mailed the accounting books to the local papers! Even had a fake name with all the Warden's dirty cash! Wallace E Unger! Whatta name!

It's only a movie but in the storytelling, that man... had a plan!

And he swam through those shi* and muck just to get to freedom.

Will you be willing to do that CG? For freedom from a 9 to 5 in Jersey?

Do you have an elaborate plan? Because right now, with your capping, you just stole a plastic fork from the mess hall for your digging.

That's not gonna work! You'd need 10 sticks of dynamite you're in so deep. 

2 "chinny chin chin" wins yesterday as I like to call them. Bad planning. Very bad planning.

What is your plan?

How will you get to the point where you can stand in the Vegas rain on the strip with your hands to the heavens laughing with your shirt off?

You'll get arrested for indecent exposure, maybe even tased and pepper sprayed (hog tied you ask? I don't know...you're the one getting arrested here!) but you'll have the money to bail yourself out at that point.

Because right now Vegas' judgement cometh, and right soon...

I like this post.  Well written.

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Quote Originally Posted by guada21:

go to the philippines. you only need 1k dollars a month to live good LOL

And he doesn't even have to stay there.

Go for a week.  Set things up.  Leave.  Jeesh.

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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

CG has wagered $53,330 so far on his "journey" (sounds like he is the Bachelor).

Every bet at -110.

If he bet exactly the same bets, but from his living room on 5d at reduced juice (assuming they would average to -105), he would have $2,424 more dollars than he has now FOR DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Right now he is down $2,650.  He would only be down 200 bucks if he simply bet at one reduced shop (5d).  Hell - he could do it tomorrow if he wanted. 

If he really wanted to make more money - he could move somewhere that he could open a pinnacle and MB account.  I know - he doesn't want to move to some f'd up country like the Bahamas, Costa Rica, England, Thailand, or Malta - but imagine if he spent the close to 2500 bucks he has already wasted in extra vig (tax) to set up residence there - and then came back to the US - and just VPN'd in to his residence in that country??  Neteller, Pinnacle, MB, Skrill - all at his fingertips?  Along with every other book the world has to offer?  Moving money around with clicks of a mouse instead of rides in the Hyundai?  Eating Mahi instead of Tilapia?  Putting exclusive ingredients in the salad like hearts of palm?  Getting every line at the REAL best line and the REAL best price?

The "picks" don't matter when you are paying too much for them.  This "journey" isn't about profitability - it is about a lifestyle (albeit temporary).  If every month you pay $2,400 dollars in extra tax - that gives you no benefit - doesn't that eat you up?


 I agree with everything you wisely stated, except that the picks actually DO matter more than ever, since he is paying too much for them.  

Moving to Canada temporarily, and opening up a Pinnacle account would have been much wiser than his relocation to Las Vegas. And even though YOU demand 1 or 2-cent juice, I would happily take the 4-cent juice that Pinnacle charged me back in the day.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

yes yes atrocious. That's why you'll be in my next thread tailing my as*. 

Maybe I'll drop that one just to break your bankroll you'll tail me so hard.

I will NEVER tail your picks, but you are quite the paradox.  You are VERY annoying and close-minded for the most part, but would actually be somewhat interesting to discuss games with, till my migraine took over from your "paralysis from over-analysis".
 
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I had a change of heart.  I don't want College Gambler to quickly go bankrupt in Las Vegas.  However, I want Vanzack to win his bet before March Madness is over.   
 
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Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:

I had a change of heart.  I don't want College Gambler to quickly go bankrupt in Las Vegas.  However, I want Vanzack to win his bet before March Madness is over.   

I wouldn't want to fade Van, that's for sure.

But CG is fading Van by his very existence in Vegas at the moment.

All unwilling of course.

But to have a bounty on my head like that against one of Vegas' wise guys??

 

Talk about pressure baby!

 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

I like this post.  Well written.

 

Thank you.

Perhaps CG's write-ups will use such a post as a model in the future instead of one sentence blurbs and lotto commercial catch phrases...

Don't remember if I posted this before but it's worth repeating...

"Ya never know" his write-up for the Knicks moneyline (yes, that was his entire write-up), is the catch phrase for the New York lotto. Their commercials air on NJ affiliates and he being from NJ, probably doesn't even realize he was indoctrinated with their message.

And that is exactly what he did with that $100 ML...play the lotto... with expected results.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

CG has wagered $53,330 so far on his "journey" (sounds like he is the Bachelor).

Every bet at -110.

If he bet exactly the same bets, but from his living room on 5d at reduced juice (assuming they would average to -105), he would have $2,424 more dollars than he has now FOR DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Right now he is down $2,650.  He would only be down 200 bucks if he simply bet at one reduced shop (5d).  Hell - he could do it tomorrow if he wanted. 

If he really wanted to make more money - he could move somewhere that he could open a pinnacle and MB account.  I know - he doesn't want to move to some f'd up country like the Bahamas, Costa Rica, England, Thailand, or Malta - but imagine if he spent the close to 2500 bucks he has already wasted in extra vig (tax) to set up residence there - and then came back to the US - and just VPN'd in to his residence in that country??  Neteller, Pinnacle, MB, Skrill - all at his fingertips?  Along with every other book the world has to offer?  Moving money around with clicks of a mouse instead of rides in the Hyundai?  Eating Mahi instead of Tilapia?  Putting exclusive ingredients in the salad like hearts of palm?  Getting every line at the REAL best line and the REAL best price?

The "picks" don't matter when you are paying too much for them.  This "journey" isn't about profitability - it is about a lifestyle (albeit temporary).  If every month you pay $2,400 dollars in extra tax - that gives you no benefit - doesn't that eat you up?


Wow, those numbers really hit ya right between the eyes.

In essence, he's paying $2,424 for MILF access and in his mind, it's well worth it.

He'll say the weather is worth it too but it's 70 degrees.... NOW.

Just wait 3 months.

That place is gonna turn into the inside of those Boston Market Chicken Cooker ovens. 

He is going to ROAST.

He may lose his mind and start basting himself up like the chickens themselves. Lay himself in the backyard with one of those big tin foil sheets under his (chinny chin) chin.

Lemon pepper college gambler anyone? You'll pass? I understand.




 
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AD/Jic, I still cannot respond to your PM's. 

Not sure why we need all this friend garbage to exchange emails...

But overall you both raise good points. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

CG has wagered $53,330 so far on his "journey" (sounds like he is the Bachelor).

Every bet at -110.

If he bet exactly the same bets, but from his living room on 5d at reduced juice (assuming they would average to -105), he would have $2,424 more dollars than he has now FOR DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Right now he is down $2,650.  He would only be down 200 bucks if he simply bet at one reduced shop (5d).  Hell - he could do it tomorrow if he wanted. 

If he really wanted to make more money - he could move somewhere that he could open a pinnacle and MB account.  I know - he doesn't want to move to some f'd up country like the Bahamas, Costa Rica, England, Thailand, or Malta - but imagine if he spent the close to 2500 bucks he has already wasted in extra vig (tax) to set up residence there - and then came back to the US - and just VPN'd in to his residence in that country??  Neteller, Pinnacle, MB, Skrill - all at his fingertips?  Along with every other book the world has to offer?  Moving money around with clicks of a mouse instead of rides in the Hyundai?  Eating Mahi instead of Tilapia?  Putting exclusive ingredients in the salad like hearts of palm?  Getting every line at the REAL best line and the REAL best price?

The "picks" don't matter when you are paying too much for them.  This "journey" isn't about profitability - it is about a lifestyle (albeit temporary).  If every month you pay $2,400 dollars in extra tax - that gives you no benefit - doesn't that eat you up?

Damn Van that makes way too much sense for this kid!  He wants the stardom the recognition not the money he wants the fame!
Funny thing really is the pro's that are not touts or tout wanna be's avoid fame and public exposure they do not strive for it.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

CG has wagered $53,330 so far on his "journey" (sounds like he is the Bachelor).

Every bet at -110.

If he bet exactly the same bets, but from his living room on 5d at reduced juice (assuming they would average to -105), he would have $2,424 more dollars than he has now FOR DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Right now he is down $2,650.  He would only be down 200 bucks if he simply bet at one reduced shop (5d).  Hell - he could do it tomorrow if he wanted. 

If he really wanted to make more money - he could move somewhere that he could open a pinnacle and MB account.  I know - he doesn't want to move to some f'd up country like the Bahamas, Costa Rica, England, Thailand, or Malta - but imagine if he spent the close to 2500 bucks he has already wasted in extra vig (tax) to set up residence there - and then came back to the US - and just VPN'd in to his residence in that country??  Neteller, Pinnacle, MB, Skrill - all at his fingertips?  Along with every other book the world has to offer?  Moving money around with clicks of a mouse instead of rides in the Hyundai?  Eating Mahi instead of Tilapia?  Putting exclusive ingredients in the salad like hearts of palm?  Getting every line at the REAL best line and the REAL best price?

The "picks" don't matter when you are paying too much for them.  This "journey" isn't about profitability - it is about a lifestyle (albeit temporary).  If every month you pay $2,400 dollars in extra tax - that gives you no benefit - doesn't that eat you up?


Im at work so didnt run any numbers but wouldnt it be less than that figure since you only really lose the juice on winning bets?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

CG has wagered $53,330 so far on his "journey" (sounds like he is the Bachelor).

Every bet at -110.

If he bet exactly the same bets, but from his living room on 5d at reduced juice (assuming they would average to -105), he would have $2,424 more dollars than he has now FOR DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Right now he is down $2,650.  He would only be down 200 bucks if he simply bet at one reduced shop (5d).  Hell - he could do it tomorrow if he wanted. 

If he really wanted to make more money - he could move somewhere that he could open a pinnacle and MB account.  I know - he doesn't want to move to some f'd up country like the Bahamas, Costa Rica, England, Thailand, or Malta - but imagine if he spent the close to 2500 bucks he has already wasted in extra vig (tax) to set up residence there - and then came back to the US - and just VPN'd in to his residence in that country??  Neteller, Pinnacle, MB, Skrill - all at his fingertips?  Along with every other book the world has to offer?  Moving money around with clicks of a mouse instead of rides in the Hyundai?  Eating Mahi instead of Tilapia?  Putting exclusive ingredients in the salad like hearts of palm?  Getting every line at the REAL best line and the REAL best price?

The "picks" don't matter when you are paying too much for them.  This "journey" isn't about profitability - it is about a lifestyle (albeit temporary).  If every month you pay $2,400 dollars in extra tax - that gives you no benefit - doesn't that eat you up?


Or he can just move to Canada, but the big cities are very expensive though. You've stated his best option, keep his job and wager on 5DIMES. STAY AT HOME AND WAGER ON REDUCED VIG.
 
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Posted: #5814
CG - love what you are doing and the vids. Good luck in next while and get yourself to football season.   No more 5k bets on random monday night NBA games though i know hindsight is 50/50 but you know  basketball has too many variables to go 10+  units on a game (1-2 player 'hot' night can hurt ya so easy and randomly)
 
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Quote Originally Posted by chisy22:


Im at work so didnt run any numbers but wouldnt it be less than that figure since you only really lose the juice on winning bets?

Yes - good catch.  Too eager to make the point.  And too lazy to go back and come up with the number.

But to correct it - it would be roughly half.

Still unforgivable in my world, but not as bad as I originally stated.

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Big day today fellas. Up early ready to hit some games shortly
 
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Quote Originally Posted by chisy22:


Im at work so didnt run any numbers but wouldnt it be less than that figure since you only really lose the juice on winning bets?

Well - I will go back and correct that once again...

On winning bets, he is not winning as much as he should.

So on a 1,100 bet, he is currently winning 1,000 - but he should be winning 1,047.

On losing bets, he is losing more than he should.  On a 1,100 bet, he should only be losing 1,050.

So my original number of 2,400 is pretty damn close.

So scratch my post 5860.  It is as bad as I originally thought.

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Posted: #5818
Right on Van, wasnt trying to call you out just wanted to make sure I wasnt mixed up for my future wagering  Good advice this thread for us amateurs and thanks.


 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

CG has wagered $53,330 so far on his "journey" (sounds like he is the Bachelor).

Every bet at -110.

If he bet exactly the same bets, but from his living room on 5d at reduced juice (assuming they would average to -105), he would have $2,424 more dollars than he has now FOR DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Right now he is down $2,650.  He would only be down 200 bucks if he simply bet at one reduced shop (5d).  Hell - he could do it tomorrow if he wanted. 

If he really wanted to make more money - he could move somewhere that he could open a pinnacle and MB account.  I know - he doesn't want to move to some f'd up country like the Bahamas, Costa Rica, England, Thailand, or Malta - but imagine if he spent the close to 2500 bucks he has already wasted in extra vig (tax) to set up residence there - and then came back to the US - and just VPN'd in to his residence in that country??  Neteller, Pinnacle, MB, Skrill - all at his fingertips?  Along with every other book the world has to offer?  Moving money around with clicks of a mouse instead of rides in the Hyundai?  Eating Mahi instead of Tilapia?  Putting exclusive ingredients in the salad like hearts of palm?  Getting every line at the REAL best line and the REAL best price?

The "picks" don't matter when you are paying too much for them.  This "journey" isn't about profitability - it is about a lifestyle (albeit temporary).  If every month you pay $2,400 dollars in extra tax - that gives you no benefit - doesn't that eat you up?


To each his own Van, but $2,424 is a small price to pay for myself for cash in hand and not having to skirt the law. 
 
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Ahhh good point and touche .
 
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Like I have been saying I give him credit for doing what he is doing but his reasons for his picks are garbage. Rookie like
 
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Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:


It is quite the paradox for a gambler, when discussing flat betting versus bigger wagers at times.  I think if College Gambler was on fire, like he was when he started this trek, and not coming off a 6 or 7 game losing streak, pressing to 2 or 3 K on the next game would have been totally understandable.  

If he won that bigger wager, maybe keep pressing the 2 or 3K, but if he loses, definitely pull back to his standard 500 or 1K play.  

The window of winning streaks at any form of gambling is small, and you sometimes have to maximize your good run, but this was not the time to do it in my opinion.  The bump in bet size was 10 times his normal bet, which was too high, even if he was winning.  



I've been noticing that it seems that losing plays always seem to be too large, and winning plays never seem to be large enough.  Any remedies out there?
 
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Unless you have good friends in a foreign country or you visit regulary anyways, it would be a huge PITA to set this up.

1)  To establish residency, you'd have to rent an apartment, get a bank account and probably get a drivers license and pay utilities

2)  Setting up the VPN would require a computer and an internet connection, which is not bad, but what do you do if it stops working?

3)  Having done all this, if you win big and the book decides to investigate, they could easily refuse to pay you because you violated their terms of service with a phony residence.  

4)  If you decide not to bet for a month for whatever reason, you still have to pay rent on your foreign residence.  So you are paying juice even when you aren't betting.


 
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Quote Originally Posted by mbialowas:


To each his own Van, but $2,424 is a small price to pay for myself for cash in hand and not having to skirt the law. 

A MONTH!

That's 28k a year.  He used to make that much at his job, and now he is giving it away?

Betting at pinnacle is not cash in hand, but it is damn close.  And there is no law you are skirting.  None whatsoever.

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Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:

Unless you have good friends in a foreign country or you visit regulary anyways, it would be a huge PITA to set this up.

1)  To establish residency, you'd have to rent an apartment, get a bank account and probably get a drivers license and pay utilities

2)  Setting up the VPN would require a computer and an internet connection, which is not bad, but what do you do if it stops working?

3)  Having done all this, if you win big and the book decides to investigate, they could easily refuse to pay you because you violated their terms of service with a phony residence.  

4)  If you decide not to bet for a month for whatever reason, you still have to pay rent on your foreign residence.  So you are paying juice even when you aren't betting.


It is easy.  And relatively inexpensive.  And there are organizations you can google that will do this for you.  All legal.  And can be done in a weekend.

Let me just say that your assumptions in 1-4 above are all wrong.  Every one of them.

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