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Disclaimer:  I have been on Covers since 2004 and never have or had any intention of going tout.  Not good enough to go tout...bottom line fact.  

But, all that said, I can understand it for sure.  It takes a lot of time to work on the games...analysis, comparisons, stats...I'm not any good at it and it takes me easily 30 to 40 hours a week working on what I do.  Why would anyone expect to get that service...one that actually wins at a rate where you can make money...for free?

Do you expect financial advice for free?  

Do you expect insurance advice for free?

Do you expect anyone who is professional grade at what they do to work for you for free?

Granted, Covers is a free community forum, but if a guy has a talent and he starts here it's no big deal to me.  I can decide to pay or not pay.  Good for him if he is good enough to get paid for what he does.  Since I know for a fact that 90% + of you are gambling losers...er...negative cash flow long term at your "hobby", someone who can put hundreds or thousands of dollars in your pocket might be worth a small % of that in return

I guess I'm too old to understand it.  I come from a generation that didn't get everything free from the "gubermint".  

So for you guys who get their panties in a wad about some guy going tout...maybe you can enlighten me as to your thinking?  

Might be entertaining if not interesting.


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If that's what they want, so be it. You will always have new sharp shooters on this forum, the old go out and the new ones come in.
 
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Gotta agree 100%.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Leroy11:

Gotta agree 100%.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by smacksmiter:

Disclaimer:  I have been on Covers since 2004 and never have or had any intention of going tout.  Not good enough to go tout...bottom line fact.  

But, all that said, I can understand it for sure.  It takes a lot of time to work on the games...analysis, comparisons, stats...I'm not any good at it and it takes me easily 30 to 40 hours a week working on what I do.  Why would anyone expect to get that service...one that actually wins at a rate where you can make money...for free?

Do you expect financial advice for free?  

Do you expect insurance advice for free?

Do you expect anyone who is professional grade at what they do to work for you for free?

Granted, Covers is a free community forum, but if a guy has a talent and he starts here it's no big deal to me.  I can decide to pay or not pay.  Good for him if he is good enough to get paid for what he does.  Since I know for a fact that 90% + of you are gambling losers...er...negative cash flow long term at your "hobby", someone who can put hundreds or thousands of dollars in your pocket might be worth a small % of that in return

I guess I'm too old to understand it.  I come from a generation that didn't get everything free from the "gubermint".  

So for you guys who get their panties in a wad about some guy going tout...maybe you can enlighten me as to your thinking?  

Might be entertaining if not interesting.



right on point there.  I been gambling the last 15 years. My first 4 years i lost almost everything.. house.. 2 cars.. and a lot of stresses.  As i becoming very good on my 5th years .. I am starting to get my money back and extra.  For the last 3 years.. with the bad economy I coudnt find a job even with my bachelor degree.. so I decided to go Tout.. and become a professional capper. I usually spend 8 hours a day on anaylyzing. picks.. is not easy as everyone think. You're right that 8/10 people on here will lose and the other 2 going to lose too but it will take a lot longer because they are doing great.  It is a full time job to cap for people.. i have not a lot but 14 customers.. that been with me since 3 years ago.  The rest just come and go.. 
 
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at least 90% of cappers that sell picks aren't better than anyone that posts free picks....what they do is post fake photoshopped tickets to make ppl think they are rackin in money, when they aren't....then they have other accounts (that they own) that hype up their picks like "this capper is on fire", "if you want winning picks, check out ________). all frauds dude....so many on twitter dude

 
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ur a chump if you're selling picks....unless you're billy walters lol
 
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Does anyone that goes tout STAY tout...
 
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I guess I'm just indifferent about it. Have a few friends that do it and I've learned a ton from them. I can't complain the last few years as I have done well. But I just come on here to give my plays for the hell of it. No one has to follow, but it's a good way to find opinions on what others think and hopefully make others a lot of money. I have an amazing job I bust my a$$ with and I'll cap games at night or during any down time I have. Usually look at stuff for a few hours and I've got a nice record to show for it. I don't blame anyone for going tout....if that's what they are good at, so be it. I do it for fun and don't need the hassle of the extra pressure.
 
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I personally have a dislike towards anyone who goes tout.  Sure, america is all about capitalizing off of opportunities, but, morally speaking?  

Going tout is wrong.  All you're doing is taking advantage of a learning curve, that most touts?  Have not surpassed themselves.  In other words?  Most touts, if not ALL, are not doing any better than any random capper can do randomly picking games long term!

I bet on sports professionally for a living and I make a fortune.  In no point of my career have I ever even considered selling my picks for measly subscription prices!  And I never will.  

Honestly, if you can truly win long term?  You can make MUCH more money by either partnering up with someone who has the capital to bet your plays and splitting the profits, or betting yourself.

Anyone selling their picks for subscription fees?  In my experience of being in this business for over 15 years?  Is someone who is not even sure themselves how well their picks will win.  They're only hitting slightly over 50% and KNOW, the only way to truly make consistent money for themselves?, is to sell their picks for a set fee weekly, monthly, or yearly.    And when they lose?  They offer sneaky little things like "free weeks" or "free months"...which will in NO way, make up for whatever amount of money one of their subscribers may have possibly lost on their picks.

No disrespect to anyone who's gotta do what they gotta do, but, in my opinion?  Touts LOVE to boast about how well they win, how good their runs are...but, you HARDLY hear about their losing streaks and long runs of losing!...touts are deceptive and you're better off capping your OWN games and betting your OWN money.
 
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And I'm talking LONG term...not some random covers guy who won for a few seasons or a few months and started going tout, because a few seasons doesn't mean ANYTHING in sports betting.  

If you aren't winning for YEARS?  Your picks are NO better than any random covers poster.
 
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Selling your picks is ok if you are a proven winner... That means you gotta prove yourself for a whole year that you can consistently win..Then it might be worth paying for your picks. Im sure many people here keep creating new accounts and posting their picks hoping to go on a hot run. And after a month, they start posting their twitter account info, email address, some shittty looking cheap website that they created etc..  We all know these people exist and the ones who are desperate for money,  the ones who think they about to make alot of money by not doing much work, uneducated (mostly guys in early 20's) fall for it and find out the hard way they been scammed when the touts hot run ends and they start picking below or near 50% mark.   I just want everyone to be careful and not fall for everything that looks too good to be true.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by davtyan:

Selling your picks is ok if you are a proven winner... That means you gotta prove yourself for a whole year that you can consistently win..Then it might be worth paying for your picks. Im sure many people here keep creating new accounts and posting their picks hoping to go on a hot run. And after a month, they start posting their twitter account info, email address, some shittty looking cheap website that they created etc..  We all know these people exist and the ones who are desperate for money,  the ones who think they about to make alot of money by not doing much work, uneducated (mostly guys in early 20's) fall for it and find out the hard way they been scammed when the touts hot run ends and they start picking below or near 50% mark.   I just want everyone to be careful and not fall for everything that looks too good to be true.

 

Selling your picks is never ok.  Especially not if you've only been a proven winner for ONE year.  What's stopping you from going under next year?  NOTHING.  It can and WILL happen.

Anyone person with basic knowledge of sports can get LUCKY and hit over 50% at the end of a year.  Does that mean it's ok for them to start selling their picks now?  Capitalizing off of the ignorant who don't understand the odds and how any random person can win just as often as those supposed "experts" and "touts" win?  

-_-

This is why people consistently keep getting scammed by touts.  95% if not ALL touts are nothing but well organized con men who know the best way to separate the ignorant from their hard earned money on a consistent basis year after year, because trust me when I say this...their picks are not keeping any one ahead YEAR and YEAR...and IF they are?  They are not doing ANYTHING better than what someone can do on their own.

I'm not trying to just be straight negative....I know, business is business, people have to make a living...but I've been in this business for so many years.  I really hate to see people throw away money to pay for picks and then, lose money on the picks they paid for?

It really isn't right.


 
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Quote Originally Posted by smacksmiter:

 
I guess I'm too old to understand it.  I come from a generation that didn't get everything free from the "gubermint".  


Maybe not, but you do come from a self righteous generation that likes to complain and go on long winded rants, all while patting yourself on the back.

I guess I'm too young to understand it. I come from a generation that doesn't really care if people on a forum get their panties in a bunch. Let 'em. Ignore 'em.
 
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Here's the unfortunate news for those of you that can't do math.....


TOUTS ARE NOT PROFITABLE OVER THE LONG TERM.....this is difficult enough just to beat books long term....

No better in HISTORY has gone better than 70%.... So get your ideas of perfection out of your mind..... 

The stress, loss of time watching games instead of living your life aren't worth it...... 


GO CREATE SOMETHING IN THE WORLD.... And if you can't do that then go HELP SOMEONE LESS FORTUNATE ..... 



Guys if you want to do this here and there with money you can afford to lose then great..... But just be careful gentlemen.... 


I wish you all best of luck and I'll be on here casually to support all you and post a couple here and there.....

 
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I been betting for 15 years.. every week.. and i do fine .. the last 3 years is my full time job.. i am winning 1700-2500 a months ..i set a goal.. and those money help me pay my mortgage.. for the last 3 years.. i have a bachelor degree in engineering.. but with the economy i coudnt find a decent job.. i been touting for 3 years.. and is base on tips.. i dont charge people.. they win.. they tips me.. i am not going to brag and say i am 80% 90% winner.. i am more like 75%. .. and every week i win consitently.. 

you want to fix your car. you have to pay
you want other people to do your taxes.. you pay a fee
you want people to installed anything you pay a fee..
is the service..

 
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So, lets do some math then eh?

Lets say the average joe bets $100 per game (1 unit) and bets 3 games per day.  May or may not be something you would do, but just for the sake of this example lets adopt those figures.

So, he wagers 3 units a day and does this for 250 bets during the college basketball season. He wins 53% of his wagers to about break even on the year.  

Now lets say he pays a fee of $1000 for the next CBB season to someone that has a documented track record of 58% a year for several years.  He makes the same 250 wagers that year and he plays those plays only and his adviser goes exactly 57.5% on the year.

He would be up 26.9 units for the year or $2,690.00 minus his $1,000 subscription fee for a positive $1,690.00.

No research.  No time expended.  No hassle.  Just bet the plays.

Maybe he spent 20 or 30 hours a week before on all the researching and analysis.  That 4.5% improvement put winnings in his pocket and time back in his life.  Might be a smart choice for some.

Just sayin...

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What is your point? Show me a tout that has winning record for many seasons.

Most touts are losing cappers or else they'd bet their own money and avoid being slimy.

Tout business is profitable since there are idiots that are willing to pay for picks.

Bottom line, if you pay for your picks, you will end up losing more than betting your own games.
 
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I can't believe some of the general consensus here is to pay for picks. -_-

Cmon now.  Really?   Any real consistent winner does not NEED to sell his picks.  Any real consistent winner spends too much of his time capping his own games and enjoying his/her life from all the money he is earning from sports betting to worry about advertising, or providing picks for a service.

I know this.  I am a professional sports bettor and I make a very very good living and would never waste one moment trying to sell my picks.  Nor do I have any interest or need in doing so!

When a person goes tout, that means there are doubts and holes that need to be filled.  And those doubts and holes can only be filled with consistent money that comes in from subscription fees.  Touts are DECEPTIVE.  Point blank.  Capitalizing off of the ignorance of the mathematically challenged (the majority of the sports betting world).  A 57% year does not guarantee in any way possible a repeat 57% year.  It, in all mathematical purposes can very easily lead to a following 45% year.  Investing is all about risk vs. reward.  When you pay for picks you are multiplying your risk.  You are not only risking your money on the picks, you are also risking your money on the "idea" that the picks you will get will put your "risked" capital ahead enough to profit on your "risked" capital and enough to reimburse you for the subscription price you paid.    This is NOT worth the risk.  You are better off taking ONE risk, which is doing your OWN research and improving in your OWN ability to comprehend random and the math involved in sports betting and risking your money on your OWN plays.  That is enough RISK in itself. 

Please stop the nonsense gentleman.  If you cannot find a way to win on your own?  Forget sports betting and move on to something else.  But, please, for the love of god, do NOT pay for a service!  Ever.  
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Stryc9Nine:

What is your point? Show me a tout that has winning record for many seasons.

Most touts are losing cappers or else they'd bet their own money and avoid being slimy.

Tout business is profitable since there are idiots that are willing to pay for picks.

Bottom line, if you pay for your picks, you will end up losing more than betting your own games.

Thank you!!
 
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Quote Originally Posted by itsonnow1:

I personally have a dislike towards anyone who goes tout.  Sure, america is all about capitalizing off of opportunities, but, morally speaking?  

Going tout is wrong.  All you're doing is taking advantage of a learning curve, that most touts?  Have not surpassed themselves.  In other words?  Most touts, if not ALL, are not doing any better than any random capper can do randomly picking games long term!

I bet on sports professionally for a living and I make a fortune.  In no point of my career have I ever even considered selling my picks for measly subscription prices!  And I never will.  

Honestly, if you can truly win long term?  You can make MUCH more money by either partnering up with someone who has the capital to bet your plays and splitting the profits, or betting yourself.

Anyone selling their picks for subscription fees?  In my experience of being in this business for over 15 years?  Is someone who is not even sure themselves how well their picks will win.  They're only hitting slightly over 50% and KNOW, the only way to truly make consistent money for themselves?, is to sell their picks for a set fee weekly, monthly, or yearly.    And when they lose?  They offer sneaky little things like "free weeks" or "free months"...which will in NO way, make up for whatever amount of money one of their subscribers may have possibly lost on their picks.

No disrespect to anyone who's gotta do what they gotta do, but, in my opinion?  Touts LOVE to boast about how well they win, how good their runs are...but, you HARDLY hear about their losing streaks and long runs of losing!...touts are deceptive and you're better off capping your OWN games and betting your OWN money.

Contrary to your statement that you have "no disrespect to anyone who's gotta do what they gotta do"...I think you are disrespecting anyone who does not have the talent or resources that you apparently have.  You have been making a living for 15 years and have become wealthy by sports gambling......

I'm sure you keep good records and you have already told us how important it is that someone be good over a long period of time. What is your win/loss percentage over the last 15 years?

You are 1 in 1 million.  You are not the typical guy who is here on Covers.  There are some interesting questions that could be asked about that, but whatever...very few people are you, if you are what and who you say you are.

If you are making a fortune and you would never sell your picks, I congratulate you for coming to Covers to help everyone else here make some money without tout help.

Really looking forward to your selections for tomorrow.

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Quote Originally Posted by smacksmiter:


Contrary to your statement that you have "no disrespect to anyone who's gotta do what they gotta do"...I think you are disrespecting anyone who does not have the talent or resources that you apparently have.  You have been making a living for 15 years and have become wealthy by sports gambling......

I'm sure you keep good records and you have already told us how important it is that someone be good over a long period of time. What is your win/loss percentage over the last 15 years?

You are 1 in 1 million.  You are not the typical guy who is here on Covers.  There are some interesting questions that could be asked about that, but whatever...very few people are you, if you are what and who you say you are.

If you are making a fortune and you would never sell your picks, I congratulate you for coming to Covers to help everyone else here make some money without tout help.

Really looking forward to your selections for tomorrow.



very unlikely a pro would be on here posting, but what that "pro" says about touts aka frauds is 100% true......see all that stuff on social media n sports forums
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