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Quote Originally Posted by mpeiu81:

I'm sure Mr. Gamble cannot wait until he is Mr. 455

 

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https://www.badlefthook.com/2010/5/3/1456943/pacquiao-willing-to-accept-testing


may finally have some progress, this is great news now only problem comes when mayweather says he wants more than 50/50 split because hes a bigger draw, should be interesting but hopefully this fight will be made soon given that the biggest problem with the last negotiations now seems to be a non issue
 
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fuck just read this maybe this fight will never get made. how can arum be talking about pacquiao fighting margarito who just got off a year suspension and was fucked up by mosley, or cotto who manny already beat easily. hopefully everyone will boycott any fight either of these guys makes with anyone else because really who wants to pay to see that shit anyway. we want the mega fight make it happen already
 
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Posted: #54
If your clean then take the test 48hours before the the fight
 
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https://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=Aho94ZkQfp_zq4eAbHGmzqw5nYcB?slug=dw-pacman050410

Suck on this Pac-tards...

He's wrong plain and simply if you can't see that his stance on the testing is wrong you're lost

 
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Quote Originally Posted by gollum:

In my mind it's 90% on pacquiao how can you say that getting blood drawn 2 weeks before a fight is going to drain you and effect your skill, thats bs. the guy has tattoos for christ sake he cant be that scared of needles and floyd is more than willing to do the same testing. it doesnt seem like an unreasonable request in order to make the biggest fight boxing has seen in a long time. it all points to manny juicing to me, if not maybe hes the one ducking floyd and not the other way around. is asking that a guy who moved up 4 weight classes and is now in his 30s with more power than ever has to get some blood drawn 14 days before the fight really so unreasonable that people are saying floyd is ducking him? that is ridiculous make the fight happen. i think the extra 10 days manny wants seems to make a lot more sense as extra time to juice than it does extra time to recover from the needle. thats just my take, i pray that they make it happen though cuz it would be an amazing fight
 
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Quote Originally Posted by McNulty:


What do you mean for "nutrition?" Class...major...etc?

Some can be beat in 4-9 hours or so I've read.
 Manny want's to hide something that none of his fans want to admit...
 
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The blame goes to Fayweather.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by mohjo:

https://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=Aho94ZkQfp_zq4eAbHGmzqw5nYcB?slug=dw-pacman050410

Suck on this Pac-tards...

He's wrong plain and simply if you can't see that his stance on the testing is wrong you're lost

Mohjo you are wrong...From your article he is quoted as saying

My message to Mayweather, to the world, is simple,” Pacquiao said to Marley. “I am not the lawmaker when it comes to the rules and regulations of any boxing commission. That is not my job or my duty. Neither is it Mayweather’s unless he forms his own personal commission.

“I will comply fully with whatever drug test, blood or urine, rules are specified by the commission of the place where this fight is arranged.”

Now the above is FACT and most boxing fans agree. But Pacman wants the fight and now has agreed to a 14 day cut off. What does Floyd do? he now says the 14 days he previously agreed too are no longer enough and now he wants testing all the way to the fight.

Are you serious! You can quote all you want and make bold headlines all you want but its Floyd Mayweathers fault this fight is not happening. Until the boxing commissions of the world insist on USADA testing, Floyd is at fault.

 

 

 
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Mohjo you are wrong...From your article he is quoted as saying

My message to Mayweather, to the world, is simple,” Pacquiao said to Marley. “I am not the lawmaker when it comes to the rules and regulations of any boxing commission. That is not my job or my duty. Neither is it Mayweather’s unless he forms his own personal commission.

“I will comply fully with whatever drug test, blood or urine, rules are specified by the commission of the place where this fight is arranged.”

Now the above is FACT and most boxing fans agree. But Pacman wants the fight and now has agreed to a 14 day cut off. What does Floyd do? he now says the 14 days he previously agreed too are no longer enough and now he wants testing all the way to the fight.

Are you serious! You can quote all you want and make bold headlines all you want but its Floyd Mayweathers fault this fight is not happening. Until the boxing commissions of the world insist on USADA testing, Floyd is at fault.

 

 

some PED's are out of your system within 5-9 hrs what do you say to that? And in a sport where PED's can kill you not just beat you but kill you

you're belief is still it's not a rule by what we all agree is the cancer of the sport the commisions

When have they ever made a good decision for the sport

Never so you can keep throughing that little fact out but it means nothing especially since many including yourself have stated they're everything that's wrong w/ the sport

 

Do you not feel that the sport should be tested? And especially as you are a former boxer how would you feel if Margarito was using hand wraps and ruined your face/maybe career like he did to Miguel Cotto? Now imagine he had PED's that had the same effect would you still feel the same b'c either way they're both forms of cheating that can lead to death...

 
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Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:

Manny is the hottest property in boxing, PBF needs him more than Manny needs the ballerina. The Pacquaio position is and was reasonable, PBF can shut the hell up.
Mayweather has the top 3 non-heavyweight fight totals in PPV history and has killed Manny in PPV #'s
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

Mohjo you are wrong...From your article he is quoted as saying

My message to Mayweather, to the world, is simple,” Pacquiao said to Marley. “I am not the lawmaker when it comes to the rules and regulations of any boxing commission. That is not my job or my duty. Neither is it Mayweather’s unless he forms his own personal commission.

“I will comply fully with whatever drug test, blood or urine, rules are specified by the commission of the place where this fight is arranged.”

Now the above is FACT and most boxing fans agree. But Pacman wants the fight and now has agreed to a 14 day cut off. What does Floyd do? he now says the 14 days he previously agreed too are no longer enough and now he wants testing all the way to the fight.

Are you serious! You can quote all you want and make bold headlines all you want but its Floyd Mayweathers fault this fight is not happening. Until the boxing commissions of the world insist on USADA testing, Floyd is at fault.

 

 

Also mack05 why does his stance continue to change on a daily basis

He'll do 30 days no 24 days now 14 days

He's scared of needles and is asked about the tattos he's given Himself and quickly changes his tone to it'll tire me out for the fight and even if that were the case Mayweather is taking the same exact test...

5-9 hrs on some of these PED's

 
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Mohjo his stance has changed because he really wants the fight..I can see him eventually caving in completely, because there are rumours on the net that his political campaign cost him a lot of money and the easiest way to recoup this is have one 40 million fight. Pacquaio doesn't want to fight Margerhito/Cotto or Foreman. Realistically what is there to gain from these fights? He could fight all 3 back to back and make nowhere near the same money.

Getting onto your other point. Yes of course boxers should be doing what they can to clean up the sport but I can't repeat myself enough, its not Floyd Mayweathers place to set the rules and this is the problem Pacquaio has. If the commision tell him you have to give blood until the day of the fight he will do that (as stated above). What he is not willing to do is have Floyd Mayweather dictate the terms of how they fight. I mean Mohjo considering all the contversey do you really think Pacquaio would take a chance and juice for this fight? And what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Since Pacquaio bended to 14 days (and Floyd changing the rules and Flioyd senior saying the my son will never fight Pacquaio) I have noticed a massive shift on public opinion. Where before the boxing world was well and truly split 50/50 if you troll the web now and look at surveys as to who is at fault you will see now 70% agree with Pacquaio.

Now I am not a Pactard or a Flomo. I admire both fighters and think they are both extremely unique. I would love to know who the better man is for sure. People will forever be divided but IMO its Floyd's fault this fight will probably never happen..I know we will never agree

 
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Quote Originally Posted by mohjo:

Also mack05 why does his stance continue to change on a daily basis

He'll do 30 days no 24 days now 14 days

He's scared of needles and is asked about the tattos he's given Himself and quickly changes his tone to it'll tire me out for the fight and even if that were the case Mayweather is taking the same exact test...

5-9 hrs on some of these PED's


Or it can be seen the other way on how Floyd keeps lowering the # of days when Manny agrees to it.

the majority of people may have been wondering if Manny has something to hide. But that tide is changing now after Floyd has said no cut off date after Manny agrees to it.

Looks like Floyd knows he can't keep that record unbeaten much longer. That shot by Mosley in the 2nd round gave him a reality check.
 
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From Victor Conte..

Victor Conte - "I would not want to single-out Manny Pacquiao because I have no direct evidence that he has used any performance enhancing drugs. That being said, I think we need to be suspicious of everybody at the elite level. What he's doing, to go from the lower weight divisions up to many divisions higher and maintain his speed and power- is that suspicious? Yes it is. But are there people throughout Olympic or professional sports history that are just genetic freaks and have a mindset that's powerful, and I guess the question is, 'Could you do what Manny Pacquiao does?' or 'Could other fighters do what Manny Pacquiao does and be clean?', I believe with hard-tech nutrition and training and these other available methods like this intermittent hypoxic training which has some of the benefits, the same benefits you would receive from using EPO, I believe it can be done."
"I don't think Manny should be singled-out until some specific information comes forward indicating that he has used performance enhancing drugs."
"I was contacted by people associated with Floyd Mayweather when they were having the judge arbitrate how to come up with a (drug testing) program and what I recommended and I clearly understand Manny Pacquiao is not the first athlete that has had an adverse psychological response to having their blood drawn. Asafa Powell from Jamaica for many years was the world record holder for the 100-meters, the world's fastest human, in Beijing said that he was affected by having his blood drawn before the 100-meters there. Not it may only be psychological, but it's a valid explanation. Some people don't like it and it has an effect upon them,"
"I think you got to take it a step at a time. And I don't think you can just walk in and take over the sport and implement Olympic caliber testing by USADA all at the same time. I think you have to compromise, you have to look at the specifics of boxing and you have to develop a program that is tailor-made for the sport of boxing, so I suggested 5 days out because there are certain things you can do to more easily circumvent as opposed to using the 14-day or the 24-day out as a cut-off for testing. I would recommend 5 days, but if you're hungry a half loaf of bread is better than none and I think you need to compromise. And I don't think it's ever going to be perfect,"
"Manny Pacquiao has now came up and said that he is willing to do the testing all the way up to 14 days before, my opinion is, they need to make this fight. Let's get it on. That's a compromise that should be accepted by Mayweather and all parties concerned need to understand just because Manny Pacquiao agreed to do the USADA testing and do what Shane Mosley and Floyd Mayweather did doesn't necessarily mean they're clean."
"People that are determined to cheat could still use drugs and like I say, you can sign the fight today and start testing five weeks before the fight, who's to say they're not both using anabolic steroids for months? For months and months that you do a series of cycles of steroids you can still maintain that benefit and improvement in performance. We don't live in a perfect world, I think you need to compromise. I would like to see, for the benefit of all those in the world of boxing, I would like to see Floyd Mayweather agree to a 14-day drug testing that Manny Pacquiao said he would comply with and let's bring this fight."
"For whatever claims they said about Floyd being drug testing for the Mosley fight, he was tested 19 days before the fight. Let's get real here. Floyd's saying my way or the highway, well that's BS. It's got to be a compromise and there's never going 100% (accurate test) and we need to acknowledge that and I think Manny has made an effort to compromise and move to Floyd's direction and I think Manny needs to be applauded for that."

 
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Quote Originally Posted by marnypoly:


Or it can be seen the other way on how Floyd keeps lowering the # of days when Manny agrees to it.

the majority of people may have been wondering if Manny has something to hide. But that tide is changing now after Floyd has said no cut off date after Manny agrees to it.

Looks like Floyd knows he can't keep that record unbeaten much longer. That shot by Mosley in the 2nd round gave him a reality check.
yeah super reality check after he dominated the next 10 rounds
 
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Quote Originally Posted by mohjo:

yeah super reality check after he dominated the next 10 rounds

Mosely was gassed. Manny won't let up. Good lord you're a moron.

And what's your excuse for Floyd now? Manny agreed to 14. Now Floyd wants zero cut off. What changed his mind all of a sudden?

Like I said. It's exposing what we knew from the day these baseless accusations were made. Floyd is afraid.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by marnypoly:


Mosely was gassed. Manny won't let up. Good lord you're a moron.

And what's your excuse for Floyd now? Manny agreed to 14. Now Floyd wants zero cut off. What changed his mind all of a sudden?

Like I said. It's exposing what we knew from the day these baseless accusations were made. Floyd is afraid.
You're the moron who can't even make a valid point you flip flop like a pancake...

My stance isn't to defend Floyd he can't be defended most of the time I'm saying that PED testing should be the norm in this sport as well as MMA...

If you have a problem w/ that I can't help you all I can say is that it should be the norm...

I'm not Mayweather PR manager and could give a fuck less about the guy he'll be broke 10 yrs after his career is over b'c he's an idiot and will blow his cash

Floyd will fight him and beat him and till then I'm sure you'll just say he's afraid...

I love how you know Manny won't get tired

 
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Quote Originally Posted by marnypoly:


Mosely was gassed. Manny won't let up. Good lord you're a moron.

And what's your excuse for Floyd now? Manny agreed to 14. Now Floyd wants zero cut off. What changed his mind all of a sudden?

Like I said. It's exposing what we knew from the day these baseless accusations were made. Floyd is afraid.
Think of a fun wager between both of us one for the fight being made and the other for who will win the fight...

Like being banned from Covers or something less that's how confident I am that the fight will go the way I said it will

 
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I don't know who is the moron anymore.

Actually I do, whoever thinks that giving blood can be even comparable to having a tatoo is a moron.

I am sure who think this also think that banging a hot woman with a condom is the same of jerking off with your left hand and a condom on.
I mean, they both involve a condom, they must be the same thing.


 
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Quote Originally Posted by TennisCapper:

I don't know who is the moron anymore.

Actually I do, whoever thinks that giving blood can be even comparable to having a tatoo is a moron.

I am sure who think this also think that banging a hot woman with a condom is the same of jerking off with your left hand and a condom on.
I mean, they both involve a condom, they must be the same thing.


 WTF are you talking about all I read there is blah blah blah

Nobody here thinks giving blood is comparable to having a tattoo...

 

 
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Floyd doesnt want to fight, it is obvious!
 
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Quote Originally Posted by mohjo:

Mayweather has the top 3 non-heavyweight fight totals in PPV history and has killed Manny in PPV #'s

 
Interesting but not surprising that these numbers show otherwise.
 
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Interesting but not surprising that these numbers show otherwise.
Couldn't bring up the link but my above statement is incorrect but he has had better #'s than Manny
 
 
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So guess who said he's retiring now.




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