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    Mayweather vs Pacquiao (if and why)

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    Posted: May. 12, 2012 - 2:22 PM ET #51

    you mentioed your career first and said that mine was laughable, you do not know me,  so you are the one that first got personal, if someone gets personal with me I will do the same to them, me being a fighter does not have anything to do with knowing more about this fight, but remember you are in the minority when you say pacquiao will win, so logically who do you think is right? you like manny in this one I like floyd and hopefully we will soon find out who is right,   but manny first has to get past bradley and I do not think that will happen.   In am done talking to you  jack off
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    you mentioed your career first and said that mine was laughable, you do not know me,  so you are the one that first got personal, if someone gets personal with me I will do the same to them, me being a fighter does not have anything to do with knowing more about this fight, but remember you are in the minority when you say pacquiao will win, so logically who do you think is right? you like manny in this one I like floyd and hopefully we will soon find out who is right,   but manny first has to get past bradley and I do not think that will happen.   In am done talking to you  jack off
     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2012 - 3:00 PM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by thesoulpurpose:

    you mentioed your career first and said that mine was laughable, you do not know me,  so you are the one that first got personal, if someone gets personal with me I will do the same to them, me being a fighter does not have anything to do with knowing more about this fight, but remember you are in the minority when you say pacquiao will win, so logically who do you think is right? you like manny in this one I like floyd and hopefully we will soon find out who is right,   but manny first has to get past bradley and I do not think that will happen.   In am done talking to you  jack off



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    Quote Originally Posted by thesoulpurpose:

    you mentioed your career first and said that mine was laughable, you do not know me,  so you are the one that first got personal, if someone gets personal with me I will do the same to them, me being a fighter does not have anything to do with knowing more about this fight, but remember you are in the minority when you say pacquiao will win, so logically who do you think is right? you like manny in this one I like floyd and hopefully we will soon find out who is right,   but manny first has to get past bradley and I do not think that will happen.   In am done talking to you  jack off



     
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    Posted: May. 13, 2012 - 12:51 AM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by thesoulpurpose:

    it's is not only me and every other fighter I know that think floyd will kick his ass, but it is also the majority of the writers  and oh ya and LAS VEGAS also had floyd as a 2 or 3 to 1 favorite depending on the book. I am an up and coming fighter and I spend 6 to 8 hours in the gym per day, he is not a harder worker than me
    Look at how fuckin dumb you sound.

    The writers? Pac is ranked number 1 pound for pound by boxing analysts.

    Vegas sets lines based on getting even action, not selecting a winner.

    You said you are a harder worker than the number 1 pound for pound fighter in the world. I said that was laughable not your career.

    You're just some dumb daisy fresh rookie square bettor talking shit on a computer with your head up your ass.

    Please don't hurt me behind a computer screen.

    You’re a little whiny child. Walking around butt-hurt all the time. You whiny amateur-square.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesoulpurpose:

    it's is not only me and every other fighter I know that think floyd will kick his ass, but it is also the majority of the writers  and oh ya and LAS VEGAS also had floyd as a 2 or 3 to 1 favorite depending on the book. I am an up and coming fighter and I spend 6 to 8 hours in the gym per day, he is not a harder worker than me
    Look at how fuckin dumb you sound.

    The writers? Pac is ranked number 1 pound for pound by boxing analysts.

    Vegas sets lines based on getting even action, not selecting a winner.

    You said you are a harder worker than the number 1 pound for pound fighter in the world. I said that was laughable not your career.

    You're just some dumb daisy fresh rookie square bettor talking shit on a computer with your head up your ass.

    Please don't hurt me behind a computer screen.

    You’re a little whiny child. Walking around butt-hurt all the time. You whiny amateur-square.
     
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    Posted: May. 13, 2012 - 1:55 AM ET #54

    you have to be the dumbest mother fucker that I have come across yet, if gamboa is fighting a guy with a record of 25 wins and 20 losses, he will be the favorite, why? because he is perceived as the better fighter, mayweather is the favorite over manny because he is perceived as the better fighter, floyd was number one p4p until he retired, then the spot when to manny, floyd is fighting once per year of late, manny has done more lately, the ranking for p4p is about your skills and talents as well as what your have accomplished lately, not just about who is better,  vegas odds are more about who is better at that exact moment, rather than an accumlitive effect of what they have accomplished lately understand?  that is why in 2001 when mosley was looking so great he was at the top on most p4p lists, (even though we later found out he was on steriods) but he was not ever a better fighter than roy jones, it's just that roy was not able to have any mega fights as at that time the division was weak.    in reality right now nonito donaire is the best fighter in the world, as clearly floyd is not once he once was and I do not think manny is either, but they have accomplished more, it is about both accomplishment lately and skill,  if it is just based on skill how could nonito not be the best or gamboa not be rated higher for that matter as both are in their prime and dominating good competition, especially donaire who is fighting guys with a very high winning percentage, I am not saying that I am a better fighter than pacquiao, but he is a part time fighter, fighting 2 times per year, meaning he trains about 16 weeks out of the year, so how can he possibly be a harder worker than me who trains 52 weeks out of the year?  I am at the gym every day from 2 until 10, except saturdays which is my day off and only 2 hours on sunday? I am a harder worker if your being logical, but obviously you are not, and vegas puts the guy who is better at that moment as the favorite, you are the one crying about me getting personal, when it was you who started it, I am not whining just letting you know that you are a fool, that does not really know what the hell that they are talking about, I would stay and have this battle of whits with you but it is clear that you are unarmed,  oh one more thing, you mentioned a rookie bettor, I have been winning  at over 68 percent in college football since 2004, and over 75 in totals so shut the fuck up and please stop throwing rocks at the throne, you washed up has been.
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    you have to be the dumbest mother fucker that I have come across yet, if gamboa is fighting a guy with a record of 25 wins and 20 losses, he will be the favorite, why? because he is perceived as the better fighter, mayweather is the favorite over manny because he is perceived as the better fighter, floyd was number one p4p until he retired, then the spot when to manny, floyd is fighting once per year of late, manny has done more lately, the ranking for p4p is about your skills and talents as well as what your have accomplished lately, not just about who is better,  vegas odds are more about who is better at that exact moment, rather than an accumlitive effect of what they have accomplished lately understand?  that is why in 2001 when mosley was looking so great he was at the top on most p4p lists, (even though we later found out he was on steriods) but he was not ever a better fighter than roy jones, it's just that roy was not able to have any mega fights as at that time the division was weak.    in reality right now nonito donaire is the best fighter in the world, as clearly floyd is not once he once was and I do not think manny is either, but they have accomplished more, it is about both accomplishment lately and skill,  if it is just based on skill how could nonito not be the best or gamboa not be rated higher for that matter as both are in their prime and dominating good competition, especially donaire who is fighting guys with a very high winning percentage, I am not saying that I am a better fighter than pacquiao, but he is a part time fighter, fighting 2 times per year, meaning he trains about 16 weeks out of the year, so how can he possibly be a harder worker than me who trains 52 weeks out of the year?  I am at the gym every day from 2 until 10, except saturdays which is my day off and only 2 hours on sunday? I am a harder worker if your being logical, but obviously you are not, and vegas puts the guy who is better at that moment as the favorite, you are the one crying about me getting personal, when it was you who started it, I am not whining just letting you know that you are a fool, that does not really know what the hell that they are talking about, I would stay and have this battle of whits with you but it is clear that you are unarmed,  oh one more thing, you mentioned a rookie bettor, I have been winning  at over 68 percent in college football since 2004, and over 75 in totals so shut the fuck up and please stop throwing rocks at the throne, you washed up has been.
     
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    Posted: May. 13, 2012 - 2:05 AM ET #55

    one day when you are old and broke you will be able to tell your grand kids, that you got schooled by the soul purpose on a website called covers, like they say everybody gets their 15 min of fame, I guess this will be yours, box, but hey it's a learning experience, it can only make you better. 
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    one day when you are old and broke you will be able to tell your grand kids, that you got schooled by the soul purpose on a website called covers, like they say everybody gets their 15 min of fame, I guess this will be yours, box, but hey it's a learning experience, it can only make you better. 
     
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    Posted: May. 13, 2012 - 2:11 AM ET #56

    oh and you are wrong again, man you must get sick of this, but have you looked at THE RING MAGAZINE P4P RATINGS LATELY? as they have floyd and manny tied for the top spot right now.   check mate
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    oh and you are wrong again, man you must get sick of this, but have you looked at THE RING MAGAZINE P4P RATINGS LATELY? as they have floyd and manny tied for the top spot right now.   check mate
     
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    Posted: May. 13, 2012 - 2:15 AM ET #57

    Quote Originally Posted by thesoulpurpose:

    you have to be the dumbest mother fucker that I have come across yet, if gamboa is fighting a guy with a record of 25 wins and 20 losses, he will be the favorite, why? because he is perceived as the better fighter, mayweather is the favorite over manny because he is perceived as the better fighter, floyd was number one p4p until he retired, then the spot when to manny, floyd is fighting once per year of late, manny has done more lately, the ranking for p4p is about your skills and talents as well as what your have accomplished lately, not just about who is better,  vegas odds are more about who is better at that exact moment, rather than an accumlitive effect of what they have accomplished lately understand?  that is why in 2001 when mosley was looking so great he was at the top on most p4p lists, (even though we later found out he was on steriods) but he was not ever a better fighter than roy jones, it's just that roy was not able to have any mega fights as at that time the division was weak.    in reality right now nonito donaire is the best fighter in the world, as clearly floyd is not once he once was and I do not think manny is either, but they have accomplished more, it is about both accomplishment lately and skill,  if it is just based on skill how could nonito not be the best or gamboa not be rated higher for that matter as both are in their prime and dominating good competition, especially donaire who is fighting guys with a very high winning percentage, I am not saying that I am a better fighter than pacquiao, but he is a part time fighter, fighting 2 times per year, meaning he trains about 16 weeks out of the year, so how can he possibly be a harder worker than me who trains 52 weeks out of the year?  I am at the gym every day from 2 until 10, except saturdays which is my day off and only 2 hours on sunday? I am a harder worker if your being logical, but obviously you are not, and vegas puts the guy who is better at that moment as the favorite, you are the one crying about me getting personal, when it was you who started it, I am not whining just letting you know that you are a fool, that does not really know what the hell that they are talking about, I would stay and have this battle of whits with you but it is clear that you are unarmed,  oh one more thing, you mentioned a rookie bettor, I have been winning  at over 68 percent in college football since 2004, and over 75 in totals so shut the fuck up and please stop throwing rocks at the throne, you washed up has been.




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    Quote Originally Posted by thesoulpurpose:

    you have to be the dumbest mother fucker that I have come across yet, if gamboa is fighting a guy with a record of 25 wins and 20 losses, he will be the favorite, why? because he is perceived as the better fighter, mayweather is the favorite over manny because he is perceived as the better fighter, floyd was number one p4p until he retired, then the spot when to manny, floyd is fighting once per year of late, manny has done more lately, the ranking for p4p is about your skills and talents as well as what your have accomplished lately, not just about who is better,  vegas odds are more about who is better at that exact moment, rather than an accumlitive effect of what they have accomplished lately understand?  that is why in 2001 when mosley was looking so great he was at the top on most p4p lists, (even though we later found out he was on steriods) but he was not ever a better fighter than roy jones, it's just that roy was not able to have any mega fights as at that time the division was weak.    in reality right now nonito donaire is the best fighter in the world, as clearly floyd is not once he once was and I do not think manny is either, but they have accomplished more, it is about both accomplishment lately and skill,  if it is just based on skill how could nonito not be the best or gamboa not be rated higher for that matter as both are in their prime and dominating good competition, especially donaire who is fighting guys with a very high winning percentage, I am not saying that I am a better fighter than pacquiao, but he is a part time fighter, fighting 2 times per year, meaning he trains about 16 weeks out of the year, so how can he possibly be a harder worker than me who trains 52 weeks out of the year?  I am at the gym every day from 2 until 10, except saturdays which is my day off and only 2 hours on sunday? I am a harder worker if your being logical, but obviously you are not, and vegas puts the guy who is better at that moment as the favorite, you are the one crying about me getting personal, when it was you who started it, I am not whining just letting you know that you are a fool, that does not really know what the hell that they are talking about, I would stay and have this battle of whits with you but it is clear that you are unarmed,  oh one more thing, you mentioned a rookie bettor, I have been winning  at over 68 percent in college football since 2004, and over 75 in totals so shut the fuck up and please stop throwing rocks at the throne, you washed up has been.




     
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    Posted: May. 13, 2012 - 7:51 AM ET #58

    Quote Originally Posted by thesoulpurpose:

    you have to be the dumbest mother fucker that I have come across yet, if gamboa is fighting a guy with a record of 25 wins and 20 losses, he will be the favorite, why? because he is perceived as the better fighter, mayweather is the favorite over manny because he is perceived as the better fighter, floyd was number one p4p until he retired, then the spot when to manny, floyd is fighting once per year of late, manny has done more lately, the ranking for p4p is about your skills and talents as well as what your have accomplished lately, not just about who is better,  vegas odds are more about who is better at that exact moment, rather than an accumlitive effect of what they have accomplished lately understand?  that is why in 2001 when mosley was looking so great he was at the top on most p4p lists, (even though we later found out he was on steriods) but he was not ever a better fighter than roy jones, it's just that roy was not able to have any mega fights as at that time the division was weak.    in reality right now nonito donaire is the best fighter in the world, as clearly floyd is not once he once was and I do not think manny is either, but they have accomplished more, it is about both accomplishment lately and skill,  if it is just based on skill how could nonito not be the best or gamboa not be rated higher for that matter as both are in their prime and dominating good competition, especially donaire who is fighting guys with a very high winning percentage, I am not saying that I am a better fighter than pacquiao, but he is a part time fighter, fighting 2 times per year, meaning he trains about 16 weeks out of the year, so how can he possibly be a harder worker than me who trains 52 weeks out of the year?  I am at the gym every day from 2 until 10, except saturdays which is my day off and only 2 hours on sunday? I am a harder worker if your being logical, but obviously you are not, and vegas puts the guy who is better at that moment as the favorite, you are the one crying about me getting personal, when it was you who started it, I am not whining just letting you know that you are a fool, that does not really know what the hell that they are talking about, I would stay and have this battle of whits with you but it is clear that you are unarmed,  oh one more thing, you mentioned a rookie bettor, I have been winning  at over 68 percent in college football since 2004, and over 75 in totals so shut the fuck up and please stop throwing rocks at the throne, you washed up has been.
    Bert sugar believes Floyd would win but he thinks it would be Floyd’s toughest fight of his career because he also thinks Pacquiao is the greatest southpaw of all time also. Lee Wylie thinks Pacquiao's high volume and aggressive nature does not bode well for a defensive minded keep duckin may. On average, Floyd probably throws around 400 punches a fight. Manny Pacquiao throws around the 800 mark. That’s a 2 to 1 ratio. Damning numbers in a fight that could be the subject of judgement in the end.

    Manny Pacquiao, in the eyes of many, is the best offensive fighter in boxing. Pacquiao's best weapon is his ability to feint, then, using superb footwork, change the direction of his attack at the last second, then explode in with his combinations. His "in and out" style of boxing is the reason Pacquiao opponents all share the same notion, that Pacquiao throws his punches from such strange angles.

    The truth is, Pacquiao only ever throws straight punches, but it's because of the feints that freeze his opponents, and his footwork, that enables him to snake around his opponent's guard which allows him to land the combinations that they don't see coming. Floyd Mayweather has fought southpaws before, but Pacquiao is very different. Pacquiao is unconventional with his movement.

    Pacquiao likes to drift to his left which can be very confusing for an orthodox fighter, as the power left hand is now coming at a very central angle. If we look at Mayweather's defensive shell and imagine he is fighting an orthodox fighter, his right hand is protecting his chin and parrying his opponents' jab. Floyd's left shoulder is also protecting his chin and deflecting right hand power shots coming from the outside.

    Pacquiao's southpaw stance and unconventional movement appears to trump Mayweather's defense. Moving inside Mayweather's guard, Pacquiao's left hand would now be traveling INSIDE of Floyd's left shoulder, instead of AROUND.

    Compubox favours Pacquiao, not Mayweather. Look at the fighters who Floyd has been thought to have ducked. Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito, Margarito was actually considered a threat at one time and now Pacquiao. The commonality between those fighters and Pacquiao? Volume.

    The betting public sides with Floyd, which is why the line is set with Floyd as the chalk favorite. The betting public's perception can be as important as the actual comparison of the two teams or people. Oddsmakers don't try to predict the outcome of the game when setting lines.

    If a team or person is favored, that doesn't mean that the oddsmaker necessarily thinks it will win. The Oddsmaker's goal when setting the line is to keep an equal number of bets on both sides. Oddsmakers try to keep the action even on both sides.

    A bookie's worst fear is being "sided." This happens when many bets come in on one side. If that side turns out to be the winning side, the bookie will lose a lot of money. Ideally, half the bettors lose, and their money goes to pay off the other half, who won, with the bookie taking the vig.

    A sharp/wiseguy would know this shit already, you whiny pigeon amateur-square.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thesoulpurpose:

    you have to be the dumbest mother fucker that I have come across yet, if gamboa is fighting a guy with a record of 25 wins and 20 losses, he will be the favorite, why? because he is perceived as the better fighter, mayweather is the favorite over manny because he is perceived as the better fighter, floyd was number one p4p until he retired, then the spot when to manny, floyd is fighting once per year of late, manny has done more lately, the ranking for p4p is about your skills and talents as well as what your have accomplished lately, not just about who is better,  vegas odds are more about who is better at that exact moment, rather than an accumlitive effect of what they have accomplished lately understand?  that is why in 2001 when mosley was looking so great he was at the top on most p4p lists, (even though we later found out he was on steriods) but he was not ever a better fighter than roy jones, it's just that roy was not able to have any mega fights as at that time the division was weak.    in reality right now nonito donaire is the best fighter in the world, as clearly floyd is not once he once was and I do not think manny is either, but they have accomplished more, it is about both accomplishment lately and skill,  if it is just based on skill how could nonito not be the best or gamboa not be rated higher for that matter as both are in their prime and dominating good competition, especially donaire who is fighting guys with a very high winning percentage, I am not saying that I am a better fighter than pacquiao, but he is a part time fighter, fighting 2 times per year, meaning he trains about 16 weeks out of the year, so how can he possibly be a harder worker than me who trains 52 weeks out of the year?  I am at the gym every day from 2 until 10, except saturdays which is my day off and only 2 hours on sunday? I am a harder worker if your being logical, but obviously you are not, and vegas puts the guy who is better at that moment as the favorite, you are the one crying about me getting personal, when it was you who started it, I am not whining just letting you know that you are a fool, that does not really know what the hell that they are talking about, I would stay and have this battle of whits with you but it is clear that you are unarmed,  oh one more thing, you mentioned a rookie bettor, I have been winning  at over 68 percent in college football since 2004, and over 75 in totals so shut the fuck up and please stop throwing rocks at the throne, you washed up has been.
    Bert sugar believes Floyd would win but he thinks it would be Floyd’s toughest fight of his career because he also thinks Pacquiao is the greatest southpaw of all time also. Lee Wylie thinks Pacquiao's high volume and aggressive nature does not bode well for a defensive minded keep duckin may. On average, Floyd probably throws around 400 punches a fight. Manny Pacquiao throws around the 800 mark. That’s a 2 to 1 ratio. Damning numbers in a fight that could be the subject of judgement in the end.

    Manny Pacquiao, in the eyes of many, is the best offensive fighter in boxing. Pacquiao's best weapon is his ability to feint, then, using superb footwork, change the direction of his attack at the last second, then explode in with his combinations. His "in and out" style of boxing is the reason Pacquiao opponents all share the same notion, that Pacquiao throws his punches from such strange angles.

    The truth is, Pacquiao only ever throws straight punches, but it's because of the feints that freeze his opponents, and his footwork, that enables him to snake around his opponent's guard which allows him to land the combinations that they don't see coming. Floyd Mayweather has fought southpaws before, but Pacquiao is very different. Pacquiao is unconventional with his movement.

    Pacquiao likes to drift to his left which can be very confusing for an orthodox fighter, as the power left hand is now coming at a very central angle. If we look at Mayweather's defensive shell and imagine he is fighting an orthodox fighter, his right hand is protecting his chin and parrying his opponents' jab. Floyd's left shoulder is also protecting his chin and deflecting right hand power shots coming from the outside.

    Pacquiao's southpaw stance and unconventional movement appears to trump Mayweather's defense. Moving inside Mayweather's guard, Pacquiao's left hand would now be traveling INSIDE of Floyd's left shoulder, instead of AROUND.

    Compubox favours Pacquiao, not Mayweather. Look at the fighters who Floyd has been thought to have ducked. Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito, Margarito was actually considered a threat at one time and now Pacquiao. The commonality between those fighters and Pacquiao? Volume.

    The betting public sides with Floyd, which is why the line is set with Floyd as the chalk favorite. The betting public's perception can be as important as the actual comparison of the two teams or people. Oddsmakers don't try to predict the outcome of the game when setting lines.

    If a team or person is favored, that doesn't mean that the oddsmaker necessarily thinks it will win. The Oddsmaker's goal when setting the line is to keep an equal number of bets on both sides. Oddsmakers try to keep the action even on both sides.

    A bookie's worst fear is being "sided." This happens when many bets come in on one side. If that side turns out to be the winning side, the bookie will lose a lot of money. Ideally, half the bettors lose, and their money goes to pay off the other half, who won, with the bookie taking the vig.

    A sharp/wiseguy would know this shit already, you whiny pigeon amateur-square.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thesoulpurpose:

    oh and you are wrong again, man you must get sick of this, but have you looked at THE RING MAGAZINE P4P RATINGS LATELY? as they have floyd and manny tied for the top spot right now.   check mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by thesoulpurpose:

    oh and you are wrong again, man you must get sick of this, but have you looked at THE RING MAGAZINE P4P RATINGS LATELY? as they have floyd and manny tied for the top spot right now.   check mate

     U big nothing....

     
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    Soulpurpose claiming Manny only trains for 16 weeks a year. Manny has his own compound in the Philippines with his own army. He has his own gym and training facility in his compound. Manny is very dedicated to his boxing career along with his political and philanthropical career.

    I could guarantee Manny trains even when not having a fight scheduled because he wants to be the best and remain the best. He has an internal drive that FLOYD does not have. Floyd is all about the flashiness and money. I am not saying Floyd does not train hard but Floyd comes from America and fights for himself and his pockets. Manny comes from a country that struggles and he fights for pride and his entire country of people who view him as a god and live through his fights.

    Manny will never give up even if getting embarrassed in the ring. I can't say the same about Floyd as I believe he is more concerned with his paycheck then his pride.

    Also can everyone quit the misconception that Floyd is the larger draw. Floyd is by far the largest draw in the western hemisphere but Manny is the larger draw worldwide. It really isn't even close. All of Asia will back Manny over Floyd and a lot of Europe will too.
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    Soulpurpose claiming Manny only trains for 16 weeks a year. Manny has his own compound in the Philippines with his own army. He has his own gym and training facility in his compound. Manny is very dedicated to his boxing career along with his political and philanthropical career.

    I could guarantee Manny trains even when not having a fight scheduled because he wants to be the best and remain the best. He has an internal drive that FLOYD does not have. Floyd is all about the flashiness and money. I am not saying Floyd does not train hard but Floyd comes from America and fights for himself and his pockets. Manny comes from a country that struggles and he fights for pride and his entire country of people who view him as a god and live through his fights.

    Manny will never give up even if getting embarrassed in the ring. I can't say the same about Floyd as I believe he is more concerned with his paycheck then his pride.

    Also can everyone quit the misconception that Floyd is the larger draw. Floyd is by far the largest draw in the western hemisphere but Manny is the larger draw worldwide. It really isn't even close. All of Asia will back Manny over Floyd and a lot of Europe will too.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:



    If a team or person is favored, that doesn't mean that the oddsmaker necessarily thinks it will win. The Oddsmaker's goal when setting the line is to keep an equal number of bets on both sides. Oddsmakers try to keep the action even on both sides.

    A bookie's worst fear is being "sided." This happens when many bets come in on one side. If that side turns out to be the winning side, the bookie will lose a lot of money. Ideally, half the bettors lose, and their money goes to pay off the other half, who won, with the bookie taking the vig.
     

    (I put worst case in order and the type... there is more in each one but I'll keep them basic)
    1. Odds Middle (When the bettors makes a certain amount no matter what as long as it's not a draw (tie, push, etc...)
    2. Spread Middle (When odds and lines move and you can't lose money, but the game must end on a certain number; more often you lose just 1 vig on 2 wagers is the most common.)

    then you can get into FAV -3 Dog +4.5, so FAV by 3 you win a side, but you had a middle chance as well at FAV by 4. the odds part would mean that one fighter you would push on, and the other fighter a win without losing any money. Then sometimes you pay just one side of the vig.

    this can get long, but people should know this stuff if they do it to profit and especially for a living. Below is information not well known intricately by even astute bettors.

    ***
    [The first statement is accurate assuming the results from NFL seasons from 1989-1990 to 1997-1998 are indicative of future results, whereas the second the second statement is fact after a long time and very large survey.]
    Mathematically, it's better to buy off of the key number than on to it (thus getting a win instead of a push). However, psychologically, most bettors buy a half point on to the key number to get a push and avoid the loss.
    ***
    Some of these factors are anywhere from a half percent better and upwards. If you bet one game a year, it's nearly irrelevant. When you bet full time and many games, all these small factors added up make a HUGE difference.
    Related to boxing: As I tell people that the environment (each opponent is an environment, but I consider each one a separate component {or separate environment}, and then I use the conditions of the fights such as the weight limit, ring size, what rules for each state and governing body, and like Mayweather-Cotto I said the 10oz gloves (Mayweather used Grant, Cotto used Ever-Last) would make a difference and much different fight then if they were 8oz (Mayweather with Reyes, Cotto with whatever as he didn't claim what if it were 8oz gloves).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:



    If a team or person is favored, that doesn't mean that the oddsmaker necessarily thinks it will win. The Oddsmaker's goal when setting the line is to keep an equal number of bets on both sides. Oddsmakers try to keep the action even on both sides.

    A bookie's worst fear is being "sided." This happens when many bets come in on one side. If that side turns out to be the winning side, the bookie will lose a lot of money. Ideally, half the bettors lose, and their money goes to pay off the other half, who won, with the bookie taking the vig.
     

    (I put worst case in order and the type... there is more in each one but I'll keep them basic)
    1. Odds Middle (When the bettors makes a certain amount no matter what as long as it's not a draw (tie, push, etc...)
    2. Spread Middle (When odds and lines move and you can't lose money, but the game must end on a certain number; more often you lose just 1 vig on 2 wagers is the most common.)

    then you can get into FAV -3 Dog +4.5, so FAV by 3 you win a side, but you had a middle chance as well at FAV by 4. the odds part would mean that one fighter you would push on, and the other fighter a win without losing any money. Then sometimes you pay just one side of the vig.

    this can get long, but people should know this stuff if they do it to profit and especially for a living. Below is information not well known intricately by even astute bettors.

    ***
    [The first statement is accurate assuming the results from NFL seasons from 1989-1990 to 1997-1998 are indicative of future results, whereas the second the second statement is fact after a long time and very large survey.]
    Mathematically, it's better to buy off of the key number than on to it (thus getting a win instead of a push). However, psychologically, most bettors buy a half point on to the key number to get a push and avoid the loss.
    ***
    Some of these factors are anywhere from a half percent better and upwards. If you bet one game a year, it's nearly irrelevant. When you bet full time and many games, all these small factors added up make a HUGE difference.
    Related to boxing: As I tell people that the environment (each opponent is an environment, but I consider each one a separate component {or separate environment}, and then I use the conditions of the fights such as the weight limit, ring size, what rules for each state and governing body, and like Mayweather-Cotto I said the 10oz gloves (Mayweather used Grant, Cotto used Ever-Last) would make a difference and much different fight then if they were 8oz (Mayweather with Reyes, Cotto with whatever as he didn't claim what if it were 8oz gloves).

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZOUK:


    whereas the second the second statement is fact after a long time and very large survey.]




    ...not just a survey, but actual numbers from now closed sportsbooks and undocumented statements from current sources in top world sportsbooks.

    GL everyone on the next round of fights... or at this point.... POSTS! LOL
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    whereas the second the second statement is fact after a long time and very large survey.]




    ...not just a survey, but actual numbers from now closed sportsbooks and undocumented statements from current sources in top world sportsbooks.

    GL everyone on the next round of fights... or at this point.... POSTS! LOL
     
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    Posted: May. 13, 2012 - 2:41 PM ET #63

    Quote Originally Posted by jpero:



    Soulpurpose claiming Manny only trains for 16 weeks a year. Manny has his own compound in the Philippines with his own army. He has his own gym and training facility in his compound. Manny is very dedicated to his boxing career along with his political and philanthropical career.

    I could guarantee Manny trains even when not having a fight scheduled because he wants to be the best and remain the best. He has an internal drive that FLOYD does not have. Floyd is all about the flashiness and money. I am not saying Floyd does not train hard but Floyd comes from America and fights for himself and his pockets. Manny comes from a country that struggles and he fights for pride and his entire country of people who view him as a god and live through his fights.

    Manny will never give up even if getting embarrassed in the ring. I can't say the same about Floyd as I believe he is more concerned with his paycheck then his pride.

    Also can everyone quit the misconception that Floyd is the larger draw. Floyd is by far the largest draw in the western hemisphere but Manny is the larger draw worldwide. It really isn't even close. All of Asia will back Manny over Floyd and a lot of Europe will too.

    Manny is the most revered figure in the philiphines and i'm sure his schedule is worked out. But the one and only soulpurpose is much better then that. This guy and his boxing tapes are just the epitome of boxing greatness. They gonna have a canadian holiday for him....Lost in Your own shit day...

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    Soulpurpose claiming Manny only trains for 16 weeks a year. Manny has his own compound in the Philippines with his own army. He has his own gym and training facility in his compound. Manny is very dedicated to his boxing career along with his political and philanthropical career.

    I could guarantee Manny trains even when not having a fight scheduled because he wants to be the best and remain the best. He has an internal drive that FLOYD does not have. Floyd is all about the flashiness and money. I am not saying Floyd does not train hard but Floyd comes from America and fights for himself and his pockets. Manny comes from a country that struggles and he fights for pride and his entire country of people who view him as a god and live through his fights.

    Manny will never give up even if getting embarrassed in the ring. I can't say the same about Floyd as I believe he is more concerned with his paycheck then his pride.

    Also can everyone quit the misconception that Floyd is the larger draw. Floyd is by far the largest draw in the western hemisphere but Manny is the larger draw worldwide. It really isn't even close. All of Asia will back Manny over Floyd and a lot of Europe will too.

    Manny is the most revered figure in the philiphines and i'm sure his schedule is worked out. But the one and only soulpurpose is much better then that. This guy and his boxing tapes are just the epitome of boxing greatness. They gonna have a canadian holiday for him....Lost in Your own shit day...

     
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    I was going to predict that you would show up, BIGPAPA21, juat as you do everytime I am having a heated debate with someone else, go away old man
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    I was going to predict that you would show up, BIGPAPA21, juat as you do everytime I am having a heated debate with someone else, go away old man
     
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    Posted: May. 13, 2012 - 2:58 PM ET #65

    Quote Originally Posted by jpero:



    Soulpurpose claiming Manny only trains for 16 weeks a year. Manny has his own compound in the Philippines with his own army. He has his own gym and training facility in his compound. Manny is very dedicated to his boxing career along with his political and philanthropical career.

    I could guarantee Manny trains even when not having a fight scheduled because he wants to be the best and remain the best. He has an internal drive that FLOYD does not have. Floyd is all about the flashiness and money. I am not saying Floyd does not train hard but Floyd comes from America and fights for himself and his pockets. Manny comes from a country that struggles and he fights for pride and his entire country of people who view him as a god and live through his fights.

    Manny will never give up even if getting embarrassed in the ring. I can't say the same about Floyd as I believe he is more concerned with his paycheck then his pride.

    Also can everyone quit the misconception that Floyd is the larger draw. Floyd is by far the largest draw in the western hemisphere but Manny is the larger draw worldwide. It really isn't even close. All of Asia will back Manny over Floyd and a lot of Europe will too.
    their is a big difference between training for a fight and just simply training to stay in shape, this is a fact, manny fights 2 per year meaning around 16 weeks of training camp, I was refferring to training camp for a fight, not just staying in shape.
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    Soulpurpose claiming Manny only trains for 16 weeks a year. Manny has his own compound in the Philippines with his own army. He has his own gym and training facility in his compound. Manny is very dedicated to his boxing career along with his political and philanthropical career.

    I could guarantee Manny trains even when not having a fight scheduled because he wants to be the best and remain the best. He has an internal drive that FLOYD does not have. Floyd is all about the flashiness and money. I am not saying Floyd does not train hard but Floyd comes from America and fights for himself and his pockets. Manny comes from a country that struggles and he fights for pride and his entire country of people who view him as a god and live through his fights.

    Manny will never give up even if getting embarrassed in the ring. I can't say the same about Floyd as I believe he is more concerned with his paycheck then his pride.

    Also can everyone quit the misconception that Floyd is the larger draw. Floyd is by far the largest draw in the western hemisphere but Manny is the larger draw worldwide. It really isn't even close. All of Asia will back Manny over Floyd and a lot of Europe will too.
    their is a big difference between training for a fight and just simply training to stay in shape, this is a fact, manny fights 2 per year meaning around 16 weeks of training camp, I was refferring to training camp for a fight, not just staying in shape.
     
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    Posted: May. 13, 2012 - 3:01 PM ET #66

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    Bert sugar believes Floyd would win but he thinks it would be Floyd’s toughest fight of his career because he also thinks Pacquiao is the greatest southpaw of all time also. Lee Wylie thinks Pacquiao's high volume and aggressive nature does not bode well for a defensive minded keep duckin may. On average, Floyd probably throws around 400 punches a fight. Manny Pacquiao throws around the 800 mark. That’s a 2 to 1 ratio. Damning numbers in a fight that could be the subject of judgement in the end.

    Manny Pacquiao, in the eyes of many, is the best offensive fighter in boxing. Pacquiao's best weapon is his ability to feint, then, using superb footwork, change the direction of his attack at the last second, then explode in with his combinations. His "in and out" style of boxing is the reason Pacquiao opponents all share the same notion, that Pacquiao throws his punches from such strange angles.

    The truth is, Pacquiao only ever throws straight punches, but it's because of the feints that freeze his opponents, and his footwork, that enables him to snake around his opponent's guard which allows him to land the combinations that they don't see coming. Floyd Mayweather has fought southpaws before, but Pacquiao is very different. Pacquiao is unconventional with his movement.

    Pacquiao likes to drift to his left which can be very confusing for an orthodox fighter, as the power left hand is now coming at a very central angle. If we look at Mayweather's defensive shell and imagine he is fighting an orthodox fighter, his right hand is protecting his chin and parrying his opponents' jab. Floyd's left shoulder is also protecting his chin and deflecting right hand power shots coming from the outside.

    Pacquiao's southpaw stance and unconventional movement appears to trump Mayweather's defense. Moving inside Mayweather's guard, Pacquiao's left hand would now be traveling INSIDE of Floyd's left shoulder, instead of AROUND.

    Compubox favours Pacquiao, not Mayweather. Look at the fighters who Floyd has been thought to have ducked. Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito, Margarito was actually considered a threat at one time and now Pacquiao. The commonality between those fighters and Pacquiao? Volume.

    The betting public sides with Floyd, which is why the line is set with Floyd as the chalk favorite. The betting public's perception can be as important as the actual comparison of the two teams or people. Oddsmakers don't try to predict the outcome of the game when setting lines.

    If a team or person is favored, that doesn't mean that the oddsmaker necessarily thinks it will win. The Oddsmaker's goal when setting the line is to keep an equal number of bets on both sides. Oddsmakers try to keep the action even on both sides.

    A bookie's worst fear is being "sided." This happens when many bets come in on one side. If that side turns out to be the winning side, the bookie will lose a lot of money. Ideally, half the bettors lose, and their money goes to pay off the other half, who won, with the bookie taking the vig.

    A sharp/wiseguy would know this shit already, you whiny pigeon amateur-square.

    The only throne you own is a toilet bowl.
    CHECK MATE REMEMBER, I already won this one, It is clear that you want a rematch, but I am moving on to bigger and better things, if you want another shot you will have to work your way back up the rankings, that will be very hard for a has been like you,   But I wish you luck
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    Bert sugar believes Floyd would win but he thinks it would be Floyd’s toughest fight of his career because he also thinks Pacquiao is the greatest southpaw of all time also. Lee Wylie thinks Pacquiao's high volume and aggressive nature does not bode well for a defensive minded keep duckin may. On average, Floyd probably throws around 400 punches a fight. Manny Pacquiao throws around the 800 mark. That’s a 2 to 1 ratio. Damning numbers in a fight that could be the subject of judgement in the end.

    Manny Pacquiao, in the eyes of many, is the best offensive fighter in boxing. Pacquiao's best weapon is his ability to feint, then, using superb footwork, change the direction of his attack at the last second, then explode in with his combinations. His "in and out" style of boxing is the reason Pacquiao opponents all share the same notion, that Pacquiao throws his punches from such strange angles.

    The truth is, Pacquiao only ever throws straight punches, but it's because of the feints that freeze his opponents, and his footwork, that enables him to snake around his opponent's guard which allows him to land the combinations that they don't see coming. Floyd Mayweather has fought southpaws before, but Pacquiao is very different. Pacquiao is unconventional with his movement.

    Pacquiao likes to drift to his left which can be very confusing for an orthodox fighter, as the power left hand is now coming at a very central angle. If we look at Mayweather's defensive shell and imagine he is fighting an orthodox fighter, his right hand is protecting his chin and parrying his opponents' jab. Floyd's left shoulder is also protecting his chin and deflecting right hand power shots coming from the outside.

    Pacquiao's southpaw stance and unconventional movement appears to trump Mayweather's defense. Moving inside Mayweather's guard, Pacquiao's left hand would now be traveling INSIDE of Floyd's left shoulder, instead of AROUND.

    Compubox favours Pacquiao, not Mayweather. Look at the fighters who Floyd has been thought to have ducked. Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito, Margarito was actually considered a threat at one time and now Pacquiao. The commonality between those fighters and Pacquiao? Volume.

    The betting public sides with Floyd, which is why the line is set with Floyd as the chalk favorite. The betting public's perception can be as important as the actual comparison of the two teams or people. Oddsmakers don't try to predict the outcome of the game when setting lines.

    If a team or person is favored, that doesn't mean that the oddsmaker necessarily thinks it will win. The Oddsmaker's goal when setting the line is to keep an equal number of bets on both sides. Oddsmakers try to keep the action even on both sides.

    A bookie's worst fear is being "sided." This happens when many bets come in on one side. If that side turns out to be the winning side, the bookie will lose a lot of money. Ideally, half the bettors lose, and their money goes to pay off the other half, who won, with the bookie taking the vig.

    A sharp/wiseguy would know this shit already, you whiny pigeon amateur-square.

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    the degree in which someone is the favorite will entice betting on both sides, but when a fighter is the favorite  it means that he is perceived as the better fighter at this moment. example when wladimir klitschko fights thompson again, he will be a huge favorite (as he is perceived as the better fighter), most likely higher than 10 to 1 and when people see a huge underdog they often sprinkle a little money down on the dogs, in hope of a big payout, there for the books will get some action on both sides, but the determination of who is the favorite in a fight, is about who is perceived as the better fighter at that moment.
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    the degree in which someone is the favorite will entice betting on both sides, but when a fighter is the favorite  it means that he is perceived as the better fighter at this moment. example when wladimir klitschko fights thompson again, he will be a huge favorite (as he is perceived as the better fighter), most likely higher than 10 to 1 and when people see a huge underdog they often sprinkle a little money down on the dogs, in hope of a big payout, there for the books will get some action on both sides, but the determination of who is the favorite in a fight, is about who is perceived as the better fighter at that moment.
     
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    Tiger woods, yankees, lakers, red wings, fighting irish, duke, and the dallas cowboys are almost always betting favorites... not because they are the best at that time but because of public perception and public betting square pigeons like you.

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    Tiger woods, yankees, lakers, red wings, fighting irish, duke, and the dallas cowboys are almost always betting favorites... not because they are the best at that time but because of public perception and public betting square pigeons like you.

    The only thing you won was a reality check

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    real boxing guys know that floyd will shut down most of what manny will do, vegas knows this too, that is why he is the favorite, wladimir klitschko is going to destroy thompson in the rematch so he is the favorite, rigondeaux is going to counterpunch the hell out of kennedy so he will be the favorite, kessler will win every round vs allen green, he will be the favorite, nonito donaire will shut down anything that mijares will do and most likely stop him late, in this fight he will be the favorite, in boxing this is how it works, do you understand? or do you need more examples, kelly pavlick will be the favorite vs scott sigmond, why because he is percieved as the better fighter, bute will be the slight favorite vs froch as bute is in his prime and froch has lost half a step, bute is perceived as the better fighter right now,  are you too stupid to see how vegas handicaps BOXING, this is how it works, the degree in which someone is the favorite, will entice some people to sprinkle money around on some dogs, but in most cases these people are simply throwing their money and that is what vegas wants,   floyd is the betting favorite for the reasons mentioned,  does manny have a shot to win sure he does, the man is great, but floyds chances are slightly more,   so go away now has been, I gave you your rematch and won again, time to go back to the drawing board or maybe you should go and try to be an expert at something else.
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    real boxing guys know that floyd will shut down most of what manny will do, vegas knows this too, that is why he is the favorite, wladimir klitschko is going to destroy thompson in the rematch so he is the favorite, rigondeaux is going to counterpunch the hell out of kennedy so he will be the favorite, kessler will win every round vs allen green, he will be the favorite, nonito donaire will shut down anything that mijares will do and most likely stop him late, in this fight he will be the favorite, in boxing this is how it works, do you understand? or do you need more examples, kelly pavlick will be the favorite vs scott sigmond, why because he is percieved as the better fighter, bute will be the slight favorite vs froch as bute is in his prime and froch has lost half a step, bute is perceived as the better fighter right now,  are you too stupid to see how vegas handicaps BOXING, this is how it works, the degree in which someone is the favorite, will entice some people to sprinkle money around on some dogs, but in most cases these people are simply throwing their money and that is what vegas wants,   floyd is the betting favorite for the reasons mentioned,  does manny have a shot to win sure he does, the man is great, but floyds chances are slightly more,   so go away now has been, I gave you your rematch and won again, time to go back to the drawing board or maybe you should go and try to be an expert at something else.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesoulpurpose:

    real boxing guys know that floyd will shut down most of what manny will do, vegas knows this too, that is why he is the favorite, wladimir klitschko is going to destroy thompson in the rematch so he is the favorite, rigondeaux is going to counterpunch the hell out of kennedy so he will be the favorite, kessler will win every round vs allen green, he will be the favorite, nonito donaire will shut down anything that mijares will do and most likely stop him late, in this fight he will be the favorite, in boxing this is how it works, do you understand? or do you need more examples, kelly pavlick will be the favorite vs scott sigmond, why because he is percieved as the better fighter, bute will be the slight favorite vs froch as bute is in his prime and froch has lost half a step, bute is perceived as the better fighter right now,  are you too stupid to see how vegas handicaps BOXING, this is how it works, the degree in which someone is the favorite, will entice some people to sprinkle money around on some dogs, but in most cases these people are simply throwing their money and that is what vegas wants,   floyd is the betting favorite for the reasons mentioned,  does manny have a shot to win sure he does, the man is great, but floyds chances are slightly more,   so go away now has been, I gave you your rematch and won again, time to go back to the drawing board or maybe you should go and try to be an expert at something else.
    Every time keep duckin Floyd talks about Pacman, he sweats a ton. Keep duckin starts to swallow heavily, shake uncontrollably, stutter profusely, and exhibit bursts of nervous twitches.

    Throwing out the race card every time pacman's name is mentioned. Keep duckin Floyd ducked Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito and now the filipino lieutenant colonel Pacman.

    When you see a line, the bookie taking the action doesn't necessarily believe the chalk is better than the pup, but they do think the line will grab equal action on both sides.

    The line isn't designed to be a true representation of how much better one team/person is than another, but is designed to attract an equal action on both teams, so that the sportsbooks are guaranteed a profit.

    If a team or person is favored, that doesn't mean that the oddsmaker necessarily thinks it will cash. The Oddsmaker's goal when setting the line is to keep an equal action on both sides on ALL action. A bookie's worst fear is being sided dumbass.

    What sharks like to do is phony the game up and create air moves to get lines to move in their favor. A bookmakers job is to make sure when the betting lines close that both sides have even dead presidents in ALL action.

    You keep making a fool out of yourself. This is way too much fun for me pigeon.

    My advice to you pigeon… is if you want to double your money, take your money fold it over once, and put it in your pocket.

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    real boxing guys know that floyd will shut down most of what manny will do, vegas knows this too, that is why he is the favorite, wladimir klitschko is going to destroy thompson in the rematch so he is the favorite, rigondeaux is going to counterpunch the hell out of kennedy so he will be the favorite, kessler will win every round vs allen green, he will be the favorite, nonito donaire will shut down anything that mijares will do and most likely stop him late, in this fight he will be the favorite, in boxing this is how it works, do you understand? or do you need more examples, kelly pavlick will be the favorite vs scott sigmond, why because he is percieved as the better fighter, bute will be the slight favorite vs froch as bute is in his prime and froch has lost half a step, bute is perceived as the better fighter right now,  are you too stupid to see how vegas handicaps BOXING, this is how it works, the degree in which someone is the favorite, will entice some people to sprinkle money around on some dogs, but in most cases these people are simply throwing their money and that is what vegas wants,   floyd is the betting favorite for the reasons mentioned,  does manny have a shot to win sure he does, the man is great, but floyds chances are slightly more,   so go away now has been, I gave you your rematch and won again, time to go back to the drawing board or maybe you should go and try to be an expert at something else.
    Every time keep duckin Floyd talks about Pacman, he sweats a ton. Keep duckin starts to swallow heavily, shake uncontrollably, stutter profusely, and exhibit bursts of nervous twitches.

    Throwing out the race card every time pacman's name is mentioned. Keep duckin Floyd ducked Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito and now the filipino lieutenant colonel Pacman.

    When you see a line, the bookie taking the action doesn't necessarily believe the chalk is better than the pup, but they do think the line will grab equal action on both sides.

    The line isn't designed to be a true representation of how much better one team/person is than another, but is designed to attract an equal action on both teams, so that the sportsbooks are guaranteed a profit.

    If a team or person is favored, that doesn't mean that the oddsmaker necessarily thinks it will cash. The Oddsmaker's goal when setting the line is to keep an equal action on both sides on ALL action. A bookie's worst fear is being sided dumbass.

    What sharks like to do is phony the game up and create air moves to get lines to move in their favor. A bookmakers job is to make sure when the betting lines close that both sides have even dead presidents in ALL action.

    You keep making a fool out of yourself. This is way too much fun for me pigeon.

    My advice to you pigeon… is if you want to double your money, take your money fold it over once, and put it in your pocket.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesoulpurpose:

    real boxing guys know that floyd will shut down most of what manny will do, vegas knows this too, that is why he is the favorite, wladimir klitschko is going to destroy thompson in the rematch so he is the favorite, rigondeaux is going to counterpunch the hell out of kennedy so he will be the favorite, kessler will win every round vs allen green, he will be the favorite, nonito donaire will shut down anything that mijares will do and most likely stop him late, in this fight he will be the favorite, in boxing this is how it works, do you understand? or do you need more examples, kelly pavlick will be the favorite vs scott sigmond, why because he is percieved as the better fighter, bute will be the slight favorite vs froch as bute is in his prime and froch has lost half a step, bute is perceived as the better fighter right now,  are you too stupid to see how vegas handicaps BOXING, this is how it works, the degree in which someone is the favorite, will entice some people to sprinkle money around on some dogs, but in most cases these people are simply throwing their money and that is what vegas wants,   floyd is the betting favorite for the reasons mentioned,  does manny have a shot to win sure he does, the man is great, but floyds chances are slightly more,   so go away now has been, I gave you your rematch and won again, time to go back to the drawing board or maybe you should go and try to be an expert at something else.


    just to educate you, when the mayweather line originally opened, 3 years ago, or so,Pacman was the favorite ....I think he was -130 or 40 at Station Casinos... So, mayweather was getting + money...the line opened early in the year and the public bet it all the way to Mayweather -140...because the fight didn't go off, everyone money was refunded. Then this year, station casinos posted a pic line of -110 for both fighters..and the public once again jumped on mayweather driving the line up to -130..so, the odds-makers are NOT favoring mayweather in this fight, if it ever happens, it's the public who are favoring him.....
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    real boxing guys know that floyd will shut down most of what manny will do, vegas knows this too, that is why he is the favorite, wladimir klitschko is going to destroy thompson in the rematch so he is the favorite, rigondeaux is going to counterpunch the hell out of kennedy so he will be the favorite, kessler will win every round vs allen green, he will be the favorite, nonito donaire will shut down anything that mijares will do and most likely stop him late, in this fight he will be the favorite, in boxing this is how it works, do you understand? or do you need more examples, kelly pavlick will be the favorite vs scott sigmond, why because he is percieved as the better fighter, bute will be the slight favorite vs froch as bute is in his prime and froch has lost half a step, bute is perceived as the better fighter right now,  are you too stupid to see how vegas handicaps BOXING, this is how it works, the degree in which someone is the favorite, will entice some people to sprinkle money around on some dogs, but in most cases these people are simply throwing their money and that is what vegas wants,   floyd is the betting favorite for the reasons mentioned,  does manny have a shot to win sure he does, the man is great, but floyds chances are slightly more,   so go away now has been, I gave you your rematch and won again, time to go back to the drawing board or maybe you should go and try to be an expert at something else.


    just to educate you, when the mayweather line originally opened, 3 years ago, or so,Pacman was the favorite ....I think he was -130 or 40 at Station Casinos... So, mayweather was getting + money...the line opened early in the year and the public bet it all the way to Mayweather -140...because the fight didn't go off, everyone money was refunded. Then this year, station casinos posted a pic line of -110 for both fighters..and the public once again jumped on mayweather driving the line up to -130..so, the odds-makers are NOT favoring mayweather in this fight, if it ever happens, it's the public who are favoring him.....
     
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    People blame Bob Arum for this fight not taking place yet. ALL because he would not accept the absurd mayweather 70-30 split AND all of the PPV money....Mayweather is NOT a bigger draw then pacman...so, the fight should be 50/50...Mayweather is DUCKING pacman.. coming up with excuses to avoid the fight. That's why the fight hasn't taken place....

    Even after he beat Cotto (which he got beat up), he was telling pacquiao to take the test ....this is NOT an issue anymore as pacman already said he'd take the test... then he just said last week that he wouldn't fight pacquiao because "he might get hurt" because of the alleged drugs that pacquiao was taking!! LMFAO!! What a box!!

    The same old story.....pussyweather is SCARED..End of story.

     Mayweather wants to protect his "0" and he knows that the only person who can potentially defacing his unblemished record is ..pacman of course. 

    So, he figures.....he can fight other fighters,and still make a lot of money. Why risk the record that is so precious to him?

    But, that's NOT what champions do. Real champions fight EVERYONE put in front of them..for free if necessary, just to prove to the world who is the best...not vain, pussyweather though..

    Let's face it...after the Cotto fight, he was exposed as an aging SLOW fighter.... He lost his lightning quickness...we all saw that.. and age has started to affect his lateral movement. And we all know too that he has had problems with lefties and volume punchers in the past.....

    While it is true that he beat Cotto who really gave him one hell of a fight ..and at best it was an 8-4 fight...surely NOT 118-110..AND we know that Cotto got brutalized when he fought Pacquiao. The fight was not even close with Cotto being knocked down twice.

    So why would mayweather risk his record against this guy? He knows deep down what pacquiao will do to him especially after all the insults and racial slurs he hurled against his  Filipino heritage....oh, and pacman said that he would fight mayweather WINNER TAKE ALL!! If mayweather was so sure that he will win, why didn't he hold him to that??? Why? CAUSE HE DOESN'T want to fight him, that's why.

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    People blame Bob Arum for this fight not taking place yet. ALL because he would not accept the absurd mayweather 70-30 split AND all of the PPV money....Mayweather is NOT a bigger draw then pacman...so, the fight should be 50/50...Mayweather is DUCKING pacman.. coming up with excuses to avoid the fight. That's why the fight hasn't taken place....

    Even after he beat Cotto (which he got beat up), he was telling pacquiao to take the test ....this is NOT an issue anymore as pacman already said he'd take the test... then he just said last week that he wouldn't fight pacquiao because "he might get hurt" because of the alleged drugs that pacquiao was taking!! LMFAO!! What a box!!

    The same old story.....pussyweather is SCARED..End of story.

     Mayweather wants to protect his "0" and he knows that the only person who can potentially defacing his unblemished record is ..pacman of course. 

    So, he figures.....he can fight other fighters,and still make a lot of money. Why risk the record that is so precious to him?

    But, that's NOT what champions do. Real champions fight EVERYONE put in front of them..for free if necessary, just to prove to the world who is the best...not vain, pussyweather though..

    Let's face it...after the Cotto fight, he was exposed as an aging SLOW fighter.... He lost his lightning quickness...we all saw that.. and age has started to affect his lateral movement. And we all know too that he has had problems with lefties and volume punchers in the past.....

    While it is true that he beat Cotto who really gave him one hell of a fight ..and at best it was an 8-4 fight...surely NOT 118-110..AND we know that Cotto got brutalized when he fought Pacquiao. The fight was not even close with Cotto being knocked down twice.

    So why would mayweather risk his record against this guy? He knows deep down what pacquiao will do to him especially after all the insults and racial slurs he hurled against his  Filipino heritage....oh, and pacman said that he would fight mayweather WINNER TAKE ALL!! If mayweather was so sure that he will win, why didn't he hold him to that??? Why? CAUSE HE DOESN'T want to fight him, that's why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    Every time keep duckin Floyd talks about Pacman, he sweats a ton. Keep duckin starts to swallow heavily, shake uncontrollably, stutter profusely, and exhibit bursts of nervous twitches.

    Throwing out the race card every time pacman's name is mentioned. Keep duckin Floyd ducked Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito and now the filipino lieutenant colonel Pacman.

    When you see a line, the bookie taking the action doesn't necessarily believe the chalk is better than the pup, but they do think the line will grab equal action on both sides.

    The line isn't designed to be a true representation of how much better one team/person is than another, but is designed to attract an equal action on both teams, so that the sportsbooks are guaranteed a profit.

    If a team or person is favored, that doesn't mean that the oddsmaker necessarily thinks it will cash. The Oddsmaker's goal when setting the line is to keep an equal action on both sides on ALL action. A bookie's worst fear is being sided dumbass.

    What sharks like to do is phony the game up and create air moves to get lines to move in their favor. A bookmakers job is to make sure when the betting lines close that both sides have even dead presidents in ALL action.

    You keep making a fool out of yourself. This is way too much fun for me pigeon.

    My advice to you pigeon… is if you want to double your money, take your money fold it over once, and put it in your pocket.

    so what are you saying that klitschko is the favorite against thompson because thompson it better?  no he is the favorite because he is perceived as the better fighter, the fighter that is perceived as the better fighter at that moment will ALWAYS, ALWAYS ,ALWAYS open as the favorite, you stupid mother fucker, you are actually trying to argue this point, were are talking boxing here not other sports, where their are many more things involved, road vs home, what team needs the game more ect.   
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    Every time keep duckin Floyd talks about Pacman, he sweats a ton. Keep duckin starts to swallow heavily, shake uncontrollably, stutter profusely, and exhibit bursts of nervous twitches.

    Throwing out the race card every time pacman's name is mentioned. Keep duckin Floyd ducked Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito and now the filipino lieutenant colonel Pacman.

    When you see a line, the bookie taking the action doesn't necessarily believe the chalk is better than the pup, but they do think the line will grab equal action on both sides.

    The line isn't designed to be a true representation of how much better one team/person is than another, but is designed to attract an equal action on both teams, so that the sportsbooks are guaranteed a profit.

    If a team or person is favored, that doesn't mean that the oddsmaker necessarily thinks it will cash. The Oddsmaker's goal when setting the line is to keep an equal action on both sides on ALL action. A bookie's worst fear is being sided dumbass.

    What sharks like to do is phony the game up and create air moves to get lines to move in their favor. A bookmakers job is to make sure when the betting lines close that both sides have even dead presidents in ALL action.

    You keep making a fool out of yourself. This is way too much fun for me pigeon.

    My advice to you pigeon… is if you want to double your money, take your money fold it over once, and put it in your pocket.

    so what are you saying that klitschko is the favorite against thompson because thompson it better?  no he is the favorite because he is perceived as the better fighter, the fighter that is perceived as the better fighter at that moment will ALWAYS, ALWAYS ,ALWAYS open as the favorite, you stupid mother fucker, you are actually trying to argue this point, were are talking boxing here not other sports, where their are many more things involved, road vs home, what team needs the game more ect.   
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sowhat83:

    People blame Bob Arum for this fight not taking place yet. ALL because he would not accept the absurd mayweather 70-30 split AND all of the PPV money....Mayweather is NOT a bigger draw then pacman...so, the fight should be 50/50...Mayweather is DUCKING pacman.. coming up with excuses to avoid the fight. That's why the fight hasn't taken place....

    Even after he beat Cotto (which he got beat up), he was telling pacquiao to take the test ....this is NOT an issue anymore as pacman already said he'd take the test... then he just said last week that he wouldn't fight pacquiao because "he might get hurt" because of the alleged drugs that pacquiao was taking!! LMFAO!! What a box!!

    The same old story.....pussyweather is SCARED..End of story.

     Mayweather wants to protect his "0" and he knows that the only person who can potentially defacing his unblemished record is ..pacman of course. 

    So, he figures.....he can fight other fighters,and still make a lot of money. Why risk the record that is so precious to him?

    But, that's NOT what champions do. Real champions fight EVERYONE put in front of them..for free if necessary, just to prove to the world who is the best...not vain, pussyweather though..

    Let's face it...after the Cotto fight, he was exposed as an aging SLOW fighter.... He lost his lightning quickness...we all saw that.. and age has started to affect his lateral movement. And we all know too that he has had problems with lefties and volume punchers in the past.....

    While it is true that he beat Cotto who really gave him one hell of a fight ..and at best it was an 8-4 fight...surely NOT 118-110..AND we know that Cotto got brutalized when he fought Pacquiao. The fight was not even close with Cotto being knocked down twice.

    So why would mayweather risk his record against this guy? He knows deep down what pacquiao will do to him especially after all the insults and racial slurs he hurled against his  Filipino heritage....oh, and pacman said that he would fight mayweather WINNER TAKE ALL!! If mayweather was so sure that he will win, why didn't he hold him to that??? Why? CAUSE HE DOESN'T want to fight him, that's why.

    pussyweather
    and look what floyd did to marquez vs pacquiao who in realty went even up with him, styles make fights and floyds style is a good one vs manny, manny is great when a guy comes straight to him, but just look at the trouble he had with marquez's boxing skills, floyd is a better boxer, he is bigger, faster, stronger, smarter and has much much better defence, floyd will box this mans ears off and when pacquiao gets inside he will tie him up, that is if he can get inside, this is a good style matchup for floyd, if pacquiao gets past bradley which certainly is not a given this fight will happen and when it does floyd will win by dec.  
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    People blame Bob Arum for this fight not taking place yet. ALL because he would not accept the absurd mayweather 70-30 split AND all of the PPV money....Mayweather is NOT a bigger draw then pacman...so, the fight should be 50/50...Mayweather is DUCKING pacman.. coming up with excuses to avoid the fight. That's why the fight hasn't taken place....

    Even after he beat Cotto (which he got beat up), he was telling pacquiao to take the test ....this is NOT an issue anymore as pacman already said he'd take the test... then he just said last week that he wouldn't fight pacquiao because "he might get hurt" because of the alleged drugs that pacquiao was taking!! LMFAO!! What a box!!

    The same old story.....pussyweather is SCARED..End of story.

     Mayweather wants to protect his "0" and he knows that the only person who can potentially defacing his unblemished record is ..pacman of course. 

    So, he figures.....he can fight other fighters,and still make a lot of money. Why risk the record that is so precious to him?

    But, that's NOT what champions do. Real champions fight EVERYONE put in front of them..for free if necessary, just to prove to the world who is the best...not vain, pussyweather though..

    Let's face it...after the Cotto fight, he was exposed as an aging SLOW fighter.... He lost his lightning quickness...we all saw that.. and age has started to affect his lateral movement. And we all know too that he has had problems with lefties and volume punchers in the past.....

    While it is true that he beat Cotto who really gave him one hell of a fight ..and at best it was an 8-4 fight...surely NOT 118-110..AND we know that Cotto got brutalized when he fought Pacquiao. The fight was not even close with Cotto being knocked down twice.

    So why would mayweather risk his record against this guy? He knows deep down what pacquiao will do to him especially after all the insults and racial slurs he hurled against his  Filipino heritage....oh, and pacman said that he would fight mayweather WINNER TAKE ALL!! If mayweather was so sure that he will win, why didn't he hold him to that??? Why? CAUSE HE DOESN'T want to fight him, that's why.

    pussyweather
    and look what floyd did to marquez vs pacquiao who in realty went even up with him, styles make fights and floyds style is a good one vs manny, manny is great when a guy comes straight to him, but just look at the trouble he had with marquez's boxing skills, floyd is a better boxer, he is bigger, faster, stronger, smarter and has much much better defence, floyd will box this mans ears off and when pacquiao gets inside he will tie him up, that is if he can get inside, this is a good style matchup for floyd, if pacquiao gets past bradley which certainly is not a given this fight will happen and when it does floyd will win by dec.  
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