LOL at Jimmer not being able to create his own shot, that's practically all he does. Reddick had the benefit of playing at Duke with other great players who set him up for open looks. Jimmer has to create everything himself. He also has one of the best crossovers in CBB. If he was black nobody would doubt his ability. He's also legitimately 6'2 as well. He's not a midget and he finishes well at the basket. He takes contact and still finishes.
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LOL at Jimmer not being able to create his own shot, that's practically all he does. Reddick had the benefit of playing at Duke with other great players who set him up for open looks. Jimmer has to create everything himself. He also has one of the best crossovers in CBB. If he was black nobody would doubt his ability. He's also legitimately 6'2 as well. He's not a midget and he finishes well at the basket. He takes contact and still finishes.
The fact that this post started with ...he will have problems creating his own shots... is just plain silly! The guy shoots it from beyond NBA 3 range no matter who is covering him!
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The fact that this post started with ...he will have problems creating his own shots... is just plain silly! The guy shoots it from beyond NBA 3 range no matter who is covering him!
Richard Hamilton does not "put the ball on the floor" and score. He comes off screens and has a quick pull-up. His height has nothing to do with it; he has incredible stamina and ran through multiple screens to get open shots.
Jimmer is capable of the same concept. I'm not a Jimmer fan (SEE: "CBS Announcers Love Them Some Jimmer"), but even I can understand his quick release will be an asset to an NBA team.
Rip Hamilton puts the ball on the floor and scores. Classic.
Reading is fundamental: Excerpt from my direct quote
"Rip will go down as one of the best off the ball offensive scorer the
past 20 years. Rip was actually a bust in the NBA until he was placed in
a system that fit his skill. Reddick stretches the floor for his team
with his shooting. He has the ability to put the ball on the floor and
has size for his position. "
Where in my quote do I go against my assessment of Rip being one of the best "off" the ball scorers of our time? For me to say he could put the ball on the floor goes against the very fundamental of my assessment above There is a full stop after my assessment of him where I transition into my assesment of JJ Redick. I go on to say Redick stretches the floor for his team...after that I go on to say he (being JJ Redick) can put the ball on the floor. No where do I say Rip Hamilton puts the ball on the floor (which in truth he does when he comes off the screen, rolling to the cup). But again I did not say that. Again reading is a very fundamental thing that CANNOT be overlooked.
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Quote Originally Posted by SarahJPhilli:
I have to double laugh at this.
Richard Hamilton does not "put the ball on the floor" and score. He comes off screens and has a quick pull-up. His height has nothing to do with it; he has incredible stamina and ran through multiple screens to get open shots.
Jimmer is capable of the same concept. I'm not a Jimmer fan (SEE: "CBS Announcers Love Them Some Jimmer"), but even I can understand his quick release will be an asset to an NBA team.
Rip Hamilton puts the ball on the floor and scores. Classic.
Reading is fundamental: Excerpt from my direct quote
"Rip will go down as one of the best off the ball offensive scorer the
past 20 years. Rip was actually a bust in the NBA until he was placed in
a system that fit his skill. Reddick stretches the floor for his team
with his shooting. He has the ability to put the ball on the floor and
has size for his position. "
Where in my quote do I go against my assessment of Rip being one of the best "off" the ball scorers of our time? For me to say he could put the ball on the floor goes against the very fundamental of my assessment above There is a full stop after my assessment of him where I transition into my assesment of JJ Redick. I go on to say Redick stretches the floor for his team...after that I go on to say he (being JJ Redick) can put the ball on the floor. No where do I say Rip Hamilton puts the ball on the floor (which in truth he does when he comes off the screen, rolling to the cup). But again I did not say that. Again reading is a very fundamental thing that CANNOT be overlooked.
Why does he have to be just compared to other white players, seems to me he was beating black and white competition.. Same haters on here with the racial undertones. Look past the skin color and see the skill. He may or may not be a good or great NBA player but that will be decided in the future. Right now he and Kemba Walker are dominate forces in the College world, Regardless of their COLOR... Stop Hating and appreciate the talent.
No one is questioning his color, at least Im not. I'm questioning his game as it translates to the next level .The next level is based on ball handling and length. Everyone in the NBA can score in some fashion. But they're are guys in the league who cannot shoot a lick from 15 feet in beyond but have length to defend, can finish at the rim, and can ball handle which makes them priceless to their team. If the league was about shooting only then Trangdon Langdon would still be in the league. Hell Battier had to develop into a lock down defender to have a career in the NBA. He was arguably the best 3 point shooter Duke has ever produced. Jimmer can put the ball on the floor and score, I never said he could not. I said he needs to improve his ball handling in terms of passing and running an offense. Playing in the MWC is different than running around with 6'7 guys with 7 foot wing spans on you in the NBA. Even if Jimmer scores on them he has to come back on the other end and defend his position. A guy who scores 30 and gives up 30 is useless.
Kimba Walker is much better "player" not "shooter" than Jimmer. Kimba has single handily turned that Jeremy Lamb kid into a budding STAR. Meaning with all the attention Kimba garners every game Jeremy has relished into his role and has become a bonafide #2 scorer. Who does Jimmer make better on his team? I cant even name 1 other person on the team, let alone if any of the players have 25+ point games. How can they with Jimmer shooting 25+ shots a game.
Jimmer = Seth Curry....But Seth Curry had to transition to a PG. My question for Jimmer, is can he do the same?
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Quote Originally Posted by SykesSystem:
Why does he have to be just compared to other white players, seems to me he was beating black and white competition.. Same haters on here with the racial undertones. Look past the skin color and see the skill. He may or may not be a good or great NBA player but that will be decided in the future. Right now he and Kemba Walker are dominate forces in the College world, Regardless of their COLOR... Stop Hating and appreciate the talent.
No one is questioning his color, at least Im not. I'm questioning his game as it translates to the next level .The next level is based on ball handling and length. Everyone in the NBA can score in some fashion. But they're are guys in the league who cannot shoot a lick from 15 feet in beyond but have length to defend, can finish at the rim, and can ball handle which makes them priceless to their team. If the league was about shooting only then Trangdon Langdon would still be in the league. Hell Battier had to develop into a lock down defender to have a career in the NBA. He was arguably the best 3 point shooter Duke has ever produced. Jimmer can put the ball on the floor and score, I never said he could not. I said he needs to improve his ball handling in terms of passing and running an offense. Playing in the MWC is different than running around with 6'7 guys with 7 foot wing spans on you in the NBA. Even if Jimmer scores on them he has to come back on the other end and defend his position. A guy who scores 30 and gives up 30 is useless.
Kimba Walker is much better "player" not "shooter" than Jimmer. Kimba has single handily turned that Jeremy Lamb kid into a budding STAR. Meaning with all the attention Kimba garners every game Jeremy has relished into his role and has become a bonafide #2 scorer. Who does Jimmer make better on his team? I cant even name 1 other person on the team, let alone if any of the players have 25+ point games. How can they with Jimmer shooting 25+ shots a game.
Jimmer = Seth Curry....But Seth Curry had to transition to a PG. My question for Jimmer, is can he do the same?
Scouts Maintain Perspective As Jimmer-Mania Reaches Its Apex
Posted Mar 22 2011 9:41AM
The catchy name, the T-shirt slogans, the music, the games against
prison inmates, the prominent program, now the Sweet 16 and -- get this
-- the senior status. Playing four years? What is that? Jimmer
Fredette: Package from NCAA Marketing Heaven.
Now about the rest of his career....
The captivating Fredette back story and scoring pyrotechnics may have
turned him into a national sensation in the college game as BYU climbed
to No. 3 in the nation in February. But around NBA front offices, it's
hard to locate a team that rates him as more than a role player with a
chance for a career as a solid contributor. Some don't even allow for
that much star treatment heading into the Draft, saying his chance of
success in the pros will depend on the rest of the roster.
Fredette is projected for the middle of the first round -- maybe a
little lower if the physical goes particularly bad at the Chicago
pre-draft workouts -- and maybe a little higher if enough top prospects
stay in school or overseas. He could touch the end of the lottery of a
particularly weak Draft or he could last until the 20s, and nobody
could be surprised at either outcome.
"You just have to know what you're getting," one scout said. "He
has limited athleticism. He's not the greatest ball handler. He's just
an OK passer. But as far as flat out shooting, he's one of the best in
the country. And if you put him around good players, he'll be even
better."
Fredette is, in other words, viewed as a complementary player in the
NBA, not a budding star who will push to replicate a BYU career that
has reached the Round of 16 against Florida in the Southeast Region in
New Orleans.
He
is a 6-foot-2 point guard with a shooting guard game, and that's a
listed 6-foot-2. If he goes to the Chicago camp and the actual number
turns out to be more like 6-foot-1 or even 6-foot-and-1/2, as if often
the case with inflated college numbers, Fredette is even more
undersized for his role than previously thought.
He
can't run the point and can't check two guards with much size. The team
that drafts him will need to partner him with a big point guard who
defends, and taking him suddenly gets into the problems that are
created as much as the problems that his arrival solves.
Actually, it's unfair to single Fredette out for being unable to check shooting guards. That's not it.
He
doesn't defend anyone. It's not simply that he doesn't have the
ability, either. In the greater concern for potential NBA suitors,
Fredette doesn't seem to bother making much of an effort at that end.
"I
think he's almost invisible defensively," one personnel director told
David Aldridge of TNT and NBA.com. "I watched Jackson Emery (the other
BYU guard) out there and he's guarding like one and a half guys. I
don't think I've ever seen (Fredette) bend his knees at the defensive
end."
Everything points to an NBA
career as a situational player, perhaps as a third guard, definitely
needing to play alongside a bigger guard who can handle the ball,
preferably with a defensive presence. That, or with a team where he can
camp out on the perimeter and provide air cover that takes some of the
scoring load from the stars or from the interior.
Scouts Maintain Perspective As Jimmer-Mania Reaches Its Apex
Posted Mar 22 2011 9:41AM
The catchy name, the T-shirt slogans, the music, the games against
prison inmates, the prominent program, now the Sweet 16 and -- get this
-- the senior status. Playing four years? What is that? Jimmer
Fredette: Package from NCAA Marketing Heaven.
Now about the rest of his career....
The captivating Fredette back story and scoring pyrotechnics may have
turned him into a national sensation in the college game as BYU climbed
to No. 3 in the nation in February. But around NBA front offices, it's
hard to locate a team that rates him as more than a role player with a
chance for a career as a solid contributor. Some don't even allow for
that much star treatment heading into the Draft, saying his chance of
success in the pros will depend on the rest of the roster.
Fredette is projected for the middle of the first round -- maybe a
little lower if the physical goes particularly bad at the Chicago
pre-draft workouts -- and maybe a little higher if enough top prospects
stay in school or overseas. He could touch the end of the lottery of a
particularly weak Draft or he could last until the 20s, and nobody
could be surprised at either outcome.
"You just have to know what you're getting," one scout said. "He
has limited athleticism. He's not the greatest ball handler. He's just
an OK passer. But as far as flat out shooting, he's one of the best in
the country. And if you put him around good players, he'll be even
better."
Fredette is, in other words, viewed as a complementary player in the
NBA, not a budding star who will push to replicate a BYU career that
has reached the Round of 16 against Florida in the Southeast Region in
New Orleans.
He
is a 6-foot-2 point guard with a shooting guard game, and that's a
listed 6-foot-2. If he goes to the Chicago camp and the actual number
turns out to be more like 6-foot-1 or even 6-foot-and-1/2, as if often
the case with inflated college numbers, Fredette is even more
undersized for his role than previously thought.
He
can't run the point and can't check two guards with much size. The team
that drafts him will need to partner him with a big point guard who
defends, and taking him suddenly gets into the problems that are
created as much as the problems that his arrival solves.
Actually, it's unfair to single Fredette out for being unable to check shooting guards. That's not it.
He
doesn't defend anyone. It's not simply that he doesn't have the
ability, either. In the greater concern for potential NBA suitors,
Fredette doesn't seem to bother making much of an effort at that end.
"I
think he's almost invisible defensively," one personnel director told
David Aldridge of TNT and NBA.com. "I watched Jackson Emery (the other
BYU guard) out there and he's guarding like one and a half guys. I
don't think I've ever seen (Fredette) bend his knees at the defensive
end."
Everything points to an NBA
career as a situational player, perhaps as a third guard, definitely
needing to play alongside a bigger guard who can handle the ball,
preferably with a defensive presence. That, or with a team where he can
camp out on the perimeter and provide air cover that takes some of the
scoring load from the stars or from the interior.
Richard Hamilton does not "put the ball on the floor" and score. He comes off screens and has a quick pull-up. His height has nothing to do with it; he has incredible stamina and ran through multiple screens to get open shots.
Jimmer is capable of the same concept. I'm not a Jimmer fan (SEE: "CBS Announcers Love Them Some Jimmer"), but even I can understand his quick release will be an asset to an NBA team.
Rip Hamilton puts the ball on the floor and scores. Classic.
He won't have the luxury of shooting over 6'1'' or 6'2'' guards in the NBA. Plus, he'll be a white boy in the NBA with a baby face and a little bit of fat on him, those NBA guys will eat him up. Trust me on this one. I played on travelling basketball teams where I was the only white person on the court, and I was playing against big talent, one example being Brandan Wright.
Whenever I got the ball, those guys would get as close to me, slap as hard as they could, and take some really cheap shots. They'd guard me as close as illegally possible lol to make sure i didn't shoot. That's nothing compared to what'll happen to Jimmer in the NBA. he's going to get pushed and thrown around and he won't have the space to get his jumpers off. and even if he does, he'll be trying to shoot over someone who's 6'3'' or more and who can jump out of the stadium.
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Quote Originally Posted by SarahJPhilli:
I have to double laugh at this.
Richard Hamilton does not "put the ball on the floor" and score. He comes off screens and has a quick pull-up. His height has nothing to do with it; he has incredible stamina and ran through multiple screens to get open shots.
Jimmer is capable of the same concept. I'm not a Jimmer fan (SEE: "CBS Announcers Love Them Some Jimmer"), but even I can understand his quick release will be an asset to an NBA team.
Rip Hamilton puts the ball on the floor and scores. Classic.
He won't have the luxury of shooting over 6'1'' or 6'2'' guards in the NBA. Plus, he'll be a white boy in the NBA with a baby face and a little bit of fat on him, those NBA guys will eat him up. Trust me on this one. I played on travelling basketball teams where I was the only white person on the court, and I was playing against big talent, one example being Brandan Wright.
Whenever I got the ball, those guys would get as close to me, slap as hard as they could, and take some really cheap shots. They'd guard me as close as illegally possible lol to make sure i didn't shoot. That's nothing compared to what'll happen to Jimmer in the NBA. he's going to get pushed and thrown around and he won't have the space to get his jumpers off. and even if he does, he'll be trying to shoot over someone who's 6'3'' or more and who can jump out of the stadium.
He won't have the luxury of shooting over 6'1'' or 6'2'' guards in the NBA. Plus, he'll be a white boy in the NBA with a baby face and a little bit of fat on him, those NBA guys will eat him up. Trust me on this one. I played on travelling basketball teams where I was the only white person on the court, and I was playing against big talent, one example being Brandan Wright.
Whenever I got the ball, those guys would get as close to me, slap as hard as they could, and take some really cheap shots. They'd guard me as close as illegally possible lol to make sure i didn't shoot. That's nothing compared to what'll happen to Jimmer in the NBA. he's going to get pushed and thrown around and he won't have the space to get his jumpers off. and even if he does, he'll be trying to shoot over someone who's 6'3'' or more and who can jump out of the stadium.
This would probably be true if anyone in the NBA actually played some defense
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Quote Originally Posted by boomersooner13:
He won't have the luxury of shooting over 6'1'' or 6'2'' guards in the NBA. Plus, he'll be a white boy in the NBA with a baby face and a little bit of fat on him, those NBA guys will eat him up. Trust me on this one. I played on travelling basketball teams where I was the only white person on the court, and I was playing against big talent, one example being Brandan Wright.
Whenever I got the ball, those guys would get as close to me, slap as hard as they could, and take some really cheap shots. They'd guard me as close as illegally possible lol to make sure i didn't shoot. That's nothing compared to what'll happen to Jimmer in the NBA. he's going to get pushed and thrown around and he won't have the space to get his jumpers off. and even if he does, he'll be trying to shoot over someone who's 6'3'' or more and who can jump out of the stadium.
This would probably be true if anyone in the NBA actually played some defense
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Rip Hamilton puts the ball on the floor and scores. Classic.
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