Kentucky won the first match-up vs UNC 103-100. So does Kentucky deserve to be underdogs? The assumption seems to be that UNC has more talent. However, according to NBAdraft.net, for instance, but also other expert-run mock draft websites, three Kentucky players are ranked higher than the first UNC player (thanks to Goat for the info)--Fox, Monk, Adebayo--all freshman, then the junior Jackson. I think Kentucky has the talent to beat UNC. While they are less experienced in number of years, they have been more battle-tested i this tournament so far, having encountered and defeated tougher competition. They grinded out a 65-62 win against Wichita State and beat UCLA 86-75, while UNC lost focus for much of the second round game and then scraped by Arkansas and then blew out Butler before letting them "close" the lead to 12. Kentucky's defense has vastly improved. They are ranked now 7th in defensive efficiency to UNC's 20th. The first time they played UCLA they gave up 97 in a loss. That's a 22 point improvement and a lopsided win the second time around. I think we see a similar kind of improvement in defense the second time around. I think the key in this matchup regarding defense is the perimeter. Kentucky is 12th in opposing 3 point %, while UNC is 108th. UNC has repeatedly been shredded on the perimeter. Even Butler was able to put up 28 threes, even though they had an off night from behind the arc. Their first two tournament opponents are not dangerous from behind the arc but then Duke in the conference tournament likewise had their way against UNC from behind the arc. The first time these two teams played, Monk went 8/12 from three and scored nearly 50 points. He likely won't put up as many points but he is just one player on his team who has the confidence and talent and will have the opportunity to light it up offensively. UNC does have the best rebounder on the floor in Meeks and UNC's dominance in the interior is a concern. But Kentucky is no slouch in the category either. They actually out-rebounded UNC the first time they played, outr-ebounded another very physical team in South Carolina when they played, forced Thomas Welsh to foul out in the match-up vs UCLA. In short, Kentucky can boast to a considerable degree of its accomplishments in the interior. I think the wrong team is favored here but we take the points. This game could be very well be a close one, but we side with the time that has more talent on offense, has the superior defense, while being able to sufficiently hold its own in the interior and has had the tougher road to get this deep in the tournament. UNC is just 2-6 ats in its last 8 games away from home against teams who rank in the top 50 in defensive efficiency. Take Kentucky +2.5
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Kentucky won the first match-up vs UNC 103-100. So does Kentucky deserve to be underdogs? The assumption seems to be that UNC has more talent. However, according to NBAdraft.net, for instance, but also other expert-run mock draft websites, three Kentucky players are ranked higher than the first UNC player (thanks to Goat for the info)--Fox, Monk, Adebayo--all freshman, then the junior Jackson. I think Kentucky has the talent to beat UNC. While they are less experienced in number of years, they have been more battle-tested i this tournament so far, having encountered and defeated tougher competition. They grinded out a 65-62 win against Wichita State and beat UCLA 86-75, while UNC lost focus for much of the second round game and then scraped by Arkansas and then blew out Butler before letting them "close" the lead to 12. Kentucky's defense has vastly improved. They are ranked now 7th in defensive efficiency to UNC's 20th. The first time they played UCLA they gave up 97 in a loss. That's a 22 point improvement and a lopsided win the second time around. I think we see a similar kind of improvement in defense the second time around. I think the key in this matchup regarding defense is the perimeter. Kentucky is 12th in opposing 3 point %, while UNC is 108th. UNC has repeatedly been shredded on the perimeter. Even Butler was able to put up 28 threes, even though they had an off night from behind the arc. Their first two tournament opponents are not dangerous from behind the arc but then Duke in the conference tournament likewise had their way against UNC from behind the arc. The first time these two teams played, Monk went 8/12 from three and scored nearly 50 points. He likely won't put up as many points but he is just one player on his team who has the confidence and talent and will have the opportunity to light it up offensively. UNC does have the best rebounder on the floor in Meeks and UNC's dominance in the interior is a concern. But Kentucky is no slouch in the category either. They actually out-rebounded UNC the first time they played, outr-ebounded another very physical team in South Carolina when they played, forced Thomas Welsh to foul out in the match-up vs UCLA. In short, Kentucky can boast to a considerable degree of its accomplishments in the interior. I think the wrong team is favored here but we take the points. This game could be very well be a close one, but we side with the time that has more talent on offense, has the superior defense, while being able to sufficiently hold its own in the interior and has had the tougher road to get this deep in the tournament. UNC is just 2-6 ats in its last 8 games away from home against teams who rank in the top 50 in defensive efficiency. Take Kentucky +2.5
NBA drafts players more on potential than current ability. While majority of this UNC team was losing the national championship game on a last second shot last year, the 3 freshmen stars on this years kentucky team were still playing high school ball and watching them on TV. I think this experience matters as the stress increases deeper in the tourney. Look at josh Jackson's poor showing for Kansas vs a more senior Oregon squad. And Jackson ranks higher than all the Kentucky stars in the NBA draft. That's not saying Kentucky freshmen will play as bad as Jackson, but it shows an example of superior potential/skill not panning out under the tourney pressure.
I like the under. As you mentioned, kentucky's defense has vastly improved since the first time they met. Both teams shot over 50% from 3 in that game and there were a lot of fouls/free throws. Kentucky's improved D has led to being under the total in 9 of their last 10 games. UNC has struggled a little against slow paced teams like Miami and Virginia. I expect Kentucky to slow the pace like they did against UCLA. The public is all on the over. I'll wait for the total to rise and try to get the under at its peak.
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NBA drafts players more on potential than current ability. While majority of this UNC team was losing the national championship game on a last second shot last year, the 3 freshmen stars on this years kentucky team were still playing high school ball and watching them on TV. I think this experience matters as the stress increases deeper in the tourney. Look at josh Jackson's poor showing for Kansas vs a more senior Oregon squad. And Jackson ranks higher than all the Kentucky stars in the NBA draft. That's not saying Kentucky freshmen will play as bad as Jackson, but it shows an example of superior potential/skill not panning out under the tourney pressure.
I like the under. As you mentioned, kentucky's defense has vastly improved since the first time they met. Both teams shot over 50% from 3 in that game and there were a lot of fouls/free throws. Kentucky's improved D has led to being under the total in 9 of their last 10 games. UNC has struggled a little against slow paced teams like Miami and Virginia. I expect Kentucky to slow the pace like they did against UCLA. The public is all on the over. I'll wait for the total to rise and try to get the under at its peak.
I don't think it was Jackson's youth that made like all of his open shots rim out. He had been having an amazing tourney and he just had a bad game, like Graham did. Still scored double digits and all in the second half. Remember Miami vs Michigan State? Talent can overcome experience and then some.
I like your 'under' play, it's also pretty ballsy. BOL
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I don't think it was Jackson's youth that made like all of his open shots rim out. He had been having an amazing tourney and he just had a bad game, like Graham did. Still scored double digits and all in the second half. Remember Miami vs Michigan State? Talent can overcome experience and then some.
I like your 'under' play, it's also pretty ballsy. BOL
What was the total for the first game 103-100 200 points..wow of course. This game is going over.....wrong ....look what happened yesterday...the Kansas game total was. What 157 or so ...lol I had the under and knew I won it the first 5 minutes....the same thing will happen today ..buttholes will be tight ..nerves will be tight ...they will play good defense ..both team will struggle to score at first and there'd goes the under again ...I am on the under personally.... Just my thought
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What was the total for the first game 103-100 200 points..wow of course. This game is going over.....wrong ....look what happened yesterday...the Kansas game total was. What 157 or so ...lol I had the under and knew I won it the first 5 minutes....the same thing will happen today ..buttholes will be tight ..nerves will be tight ...they will play good defense ..both team will struggle to score at first and there'd goes the under again ...I am on the under personally.... Just my thought
You guys make great points for the under. And yea K's defense has vastly improved, and they probably don't go crazy from behind the arc like in the last meeting while they have to deal with unc's tough interior.
I just worry about tempo and unc's vulnerability from three. But at all events the public bet this total now to 160.5, which is probably its peak so if anything totals-wise under it is.
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You guys make great points for the under. And yea K's defense has vastly improved, and they probably don't go crazy from behind the arc like in the last meeting while they have to deal with unc's tough interior.
I just worry about tempo and unc's vulnerability from three. But at all events the public bet this total now to 160.5, which is probably its peak so if anything totals-wise under it is.
Please tail at your own risk. Contrary to before, I'm posting everyday whether I love the pick or only like it. Think this is the play though. Seens like everyone else on covers likes unc tho
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Please tail at your own risk. Contrary to before, I'm posting everyday whether I love the pick or only like it. Think this is the play though. Seens like everyone else on covers likes unc tho
I'm sorry. You must have missed Kentucky's post game interviews then when all they talked about was how a big part of their focus midweek was getting payback for how UCLA beat them at their own place earlier in the season.
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Quote Originally Posted by Tippy48:
Revenge that's regular season talk,
This is the final 4 man get real
I'm sorry. You must have missed Kentucky's post game interviews then when all they talked about was how a big part of their focus midweek was getting payback for how UCLA beat them at their own place earlier in the season.
Besides.... I didn't say anywhere that UNC would be focusing on 'revenge' (though they could be for all I know), just that they'd in theory get revenge for the early season loss. Maybe you should try to get past a 4th grade reading level so you can comprehend what I'm writing.
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Quote Originally Posted by Tippy48:
Revenge that's regular season talk,
This is the final 4 man get real
Besides.... I didn't say anywhere that UNC would be focusing on 'revenge' (though they could be for all I know), just that they'd in theory get revenge for the early season loss. Maybe you should try to get past a 4th grade reading level so you can comprehend what I'm writing.
Revenge most certainly has to be a variable in college basketball. Does it weigh heavily on the capping of a game? Nope. But it matters 100%. These are young adults, wet behind the ears. They have egos and they have memories. Watching a player put up 47 against you and lose by 3 definitely stays in a teams mind especially with the prize being a final four trip. Pair that with losing at the buzzer last year. UNC has all the fuel they need. Are you kidding me? Why wouldn't it? So you don't think UNC is gonna watch that tape and put more emphasis on playing better defense after monk went off? You don't think that UNC, a team full of veterans who stayed and didn't take the easy way out, isnt foaming at the mouth to return the favor to Kentucky and knock the one and dones out? Especially in a game with two powerhouses like UNC and Kentucky, revenge is on the minds of UNC for sure. Berry even stated this at the press conference. Again, I'm not sure it plays a huge factor in capping a game specifically becuase a lot of games have been played since but it matter for sure. Anybody that says it doesn't has never played sports. Even at the pro level, teams like the warriors this year; if they play the CAVS, you don't think revenge has been on their minds all year? We are human beings and human beings have egos and they use motivational tactics to achieve goals. Of all the things UNC has talked about the last 36 hours or so, I can bet you the word REVENGE has been communicated by both players and coaches. It's cresting thst edge in a darn near coin flip game. I haven't placed my bet yet but as a huge UNC fan since I was little, this is a very tough one for me. As a bettor, I'm trying not to factor in the revenge tactic even though it's a natural feeling in two teams that played already this year. Can't wait.
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Revenge most certainly has to be a variable in college basketball. Does it weigh heavily on the capping of a game? Nope. But it matters 100%. These are young adults, wet behind the ears. They have egos and they have memories. Watching a player put up 47 against you and lose by 3 definitely stays in a teams mind especially with the prize being a final four trip. Pair that with losing at the buzzer last year. UNC has all the fuel they need. Are you kidding me? Why wouldn't it? So you don't think UNC is gonna watch that tape and put more emphasis on playing better defense after monk went off? You don't think that UNC, a team full of veterans who stayed and didn't take the easy way out, isnt foaming at the mouth to return the favor to Kentucky and knock the one and dones out? Especially in a game with two powerhouses like UNC and Kentucky, revenge is on the minds of UNC for sure. Berry even stated this at the press conference. Again, I'm not sure it plays a huge factor in capping a game specifically becuase a lot of games have been played since but it matter for sure. Anybody that says it doesn't has never played sports. Even at the pro level, teams like the warriors this year; if they play the CAVS, you don't think revenge has been on their minds all year? We are human beings and human beings have egos and they use motivational tactics to achieve goals. Of all the things UNC has talked about the last 36 hours or so, I can bet you the word REVENGE has been communicated by both players and coaches. It's cresting thst edge in a darn near coin flip game. I haven't placed my bet yet but as a huge UNC fan since I was little, this is a very tough one for me. As a bettor, I'm trying not to factor in the revenge tactic even though it's a natural feeling in two teams that played already this year. Can't wait.
Pretty sure Kentucky's guys want to go to the final four. And this game was on neutral court, not @ Chapel Hill. Also think Kentucky's improved D was a major part to their beating UCLA. I think the better team is getting points. BOL on your plays, all reasonable points. Should be a close game.
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Pretty sure Kentucky's guys want to go to the final four. And this game was on neutral court, not @ Chapel Hill. Also think Kentucky's improved D was a major part to their beating UCLA. I think the better team is getting points. BOL on your plays, all reasonable points. Should be a close game.
Kentucky won the first match-up vs UNC 103-100. So does Kentucky deserve to be underdogs? The assumption seems to be that UNC has more talent. However, according to NBAdraft.net, for instance, but also other expert-run mock draft websites, three Kentucky players are ranked higher than the first UNC player (thanks to Goat for the info)--Fox, Monk, Adebayo--all freshman, then the junior Jackson. I think Kentucky has the talent to beat UNC. While they are less experienced in number of years, they have been more battle-tested i this tournament so far, having encountered and defeated tougher competition. They grinded out a 65-62 win against Wichita State and beat UCLA 86-75, while UNC lost focus for much of the second round game and then scraped by Arkansas and then blew out Butler before letting them "close" the lead to 12. Kentucky's defense has vastly improved. They are ranked now 7th in defensive efficiency to UNC's 20th. The first time they played UCLA they gave up 97 in a loss. That's a 22 point improvement and a lopsided win the second time around. I think we see a similar kind of improvement in defense the second time around. I think the key in this matchup regarding defense is the perimeter. Kentucky is 12th in opposing 3 point %, while UNC is 108th. UNC has repeatedly been shredded on the perimeter. Even Butler was able to put up 28 threes, even though they had an off night from behind the arc. Their first two tournament opponents are not dangerous from behind the arc but then Duke in the conference tournament likewise had their way against UNC from behind the arc. The first time these two teams played, Monk went 8/12 from three and scored nearly 50 points. He likely won't put up as many points but he is just one player on his team who has the confidence and talent and will have the opportunity to light it up offensively. UNC does have the best rebounder on the floor in Meeks and UNC's dominance in the interior is a concern. But Kentucky is no slouch in the category either. They actually out-rebounded UNC the first time they played, outr-ebounded another very physical team in South Carolina when they played, forced Thomas Welsh to foul out in the match-up vs UCLA. In short, Kentucky can boast to a considerable degree of its accomplishments in the interior. I think the wrong team is favored here but we take the points. This game could be very well be a close one, but we side with the time that has more talent on offense, has the superior defense, while being able to sufficiently hold its own in the interior and has had the tougher road to get this deep in the tournament. UNC is just 2-6 ats in its last 8 games away from home against teams who rank in the top 50 in defensive efficiency. Take Kentucky +2.5
You make a lot of great points, and your post is very insightful. However, I disagree that Kentucky should be favored in this game. UNC is much more experienced as the nucleus of UNC all played a pivotal role in their run last year. Kentucky has the advantage at the guard position, but UNC has the advantage at the wing and down on the block. UK is pretty thin on the frontline and if Bam doesn't assert himself more than he did vs UCLA then UK will be in trouble. I do think Calipari is the better coach than Roy Williams and I expect him to slow down the tempo and grind out UNC. I think that if they slow them down then UNC will get rattled offensively and take some bad shots. Leaning UK in this one but UNC's offensive rebounding ability is definitely concerning.
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Quote Originally Posted by ProudJagsfan:
Kentucky won the first match-up vs UNC 103-100. So does Kentucky deserve to be underdogs? The assumption seems to be that UNC has more talent. However, according to NBAdraft.net, for instance, but also other expert-run mock draft websites, three Kentucky players are ranked higher than the first UNC player (thanks to Goat for the info)--Fox, Monk, Adebayo--all freshman, then the junior Jackson. I think Kentucky has the talent to beat UNC. While they are less experienced in number of years, they have been more battle-tested i this tournament so far, having encountered and defeated tougher competition. They grinded out a 65-62 win against Wichita State and beat UCLA 86-75, while UNC lost focus for much of the second round game and then scraped by Arkansas and then blew out Butler before letting them "close" the lead to 12. Kentucky's defense has vastly improved. They are ranked now 7th in defensive efficiency to UNC's 20th. The first time they played UCLA they gave up 97 in a loss. That's a 22 point improvement and a lopsided win the second time around. I think we see a similar kind of improvement in defense the second time around. I think the key in this matchup regarding defense is the perimeter. Kentucky is 12th in opposing 3 point %, while UNC is 108th. UNC has repeatedly been shredded on the perimeter. Even Butler was able to put up 28 threes, even though they had an off night from behind the arc. Their first two tournament opponents are not dangerous from behind the arc but then Duke in the conference tournament likewise had their way against UNC from behind the arc. The first time these two teams played, Monk went 8/12 from three and scored nearly 50 points. He likely won't put up as many points but he is just one player on his team who has the confidence and talent and will have the opportunity to light it up offensively. UNC does have the best rebounder on the floor in Meeks and UNC's dominance in the interior is a concern. But Kentucky is no slouch in the category either. They actually out-rebounded UNC the first time they played, outr-ebounded another very physical team in South Carolina when they played, forced Thomas Welsh to foul out in the match-up vs UCLA. In short, Kentucky can boast to a considerable degree of its accomplishments in the interior. I think the wrong team is favored here but we take the points. This game could be very well be a close one, but we side with the time that has more talent on offense, has the superior defense, while being able to sufficiently hold its own in the interior and has had the tougher road to get this deep in the tournament. UNC is just 2-6 ats in its last 8 games away from home against teams who rank in the top 50 in defensive efficiency. Take Kentucky +2.5
You make a lot of great points, and your post is very insightful. However, I disagree that Kentucky should be favored in this game. UNC is much more experienced as the nucleus of UNC all played a pivotal role in their run last year. Kentucky has the advantage at the guard position, but UNC has the advantage at the wing and down on the block. UK is pretty thin on the frontline and if Bam doesn't assert himself more than he did vs UCLA then UK will be in trouble. I do think Calipari is the better coach than Roy Williams and I expect him to slow down the tempo and grind out UNC. I think that if they slow them down then UNC will get rattled offensively and take some bad shots. Leaning UK in this one but UNC's offensive rebounding ability is definitely concerning.
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