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Posted: #76
Quote Originally Posted by Boom_Boom:


Before the season started and last year I kept telling you guys that Alabama and Clemson rules this world we know as college football. Nothing has changed people.....nothing.  

Yeaaahhhh...no. This is Clemson delusion at its finest. Clemson had ONE decent year, in which they were out played in FOUR games by BAD teams, yet managed to stumble into wins. And now they think they "rule" anything. Rofl. 

Clemson is an Oregon-esque blip in the radar that will fade back into obscurity posthaste. FSU has always ruled the ACC and looks like they will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Clemson will finish this year 9-3 and their garbage for brains fans will get back to their only meaningful position: arguing with Gamecocks all season about their match.
 
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You're lost dude....

So I guess it was Watson who pitched that shutout on Ohio st.... and held Oklahoma  to only 17 points in the playoffs 2years ago or 6 points they held them to before that....Or maybe it was Watson that had 11 sacks last week....or maybe it was Watson who has lead the country in sacks and tackles fro loss like 4 straight years..... I could go on and on...


You're trying to argue with the wrong dude in this forum,bro.... This Guy here knows his sh!t

Let's talk about the Pitt game then, huh? Lol fvcking loser squad.
 
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Posted: #78
Quote Originally Posted by Boom_Boom:


1. Clemson is not a top 5 defense... They're #1. I told someone in here before the season...maybe doubleup4life... that clemson would have not only the best DL in the country.... maybe the best we've seen in the modern area of college football... 


This is literally the dumbest thing I have ever heard. The DL is maybe Top 5, but the defense isn't Top 10. You have got some shitorange glasses on bro. 

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2. Stidham is and WILL be a 1st round draft pick when he decides to come out... He is very talented and can make any throw on the field.

Not even close. That Auburn team is TERRIBLE. Garbage. Defense is not Top 50.
 
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Everyone keeps commenting on how good Lamar is and how good the Clemson defense is... but seriously.... how bad is Louisville's defense this year?   In both of their opening games it looked like they might get beat by pretty mediocre teams.  The NC offense looked unstoppable when facing that Louisville defense.  Is the NC offense that much better than Clemson's offense?  Purdue ran over the top of the Louisville defense in week 1.   Louisville's defense was tough last year, but they have had a big drop off this year. 

Also, everyone seems to be looking at what happened last week, but remember Clemson faced a tough Auburn defense and Louisville faced a very soft North Carolina defense.  The situation will be completely opposite this week.  Louisville's defense is garbage and Clemson's defense is the toughest Louisville will have faced so far this year.  
 
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Louisville defense is terrible awful  whatever words you want to use..

Clemson is good enough to put up 31 on this defense.. 

on the flip side Louisville is good for about 23-24 tops on this Clemson defense..

You would think home opener would play a factor.. I dunno.. they came out smoking FSU last season..  different team i know
 
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Posted: #81
louisville defense was bad......
VERSUS THE PASS.....
but they held the run game in check pretty well.
What IM saying is, I dont believe that Kelly Bryant, In his first road start, Is going to be able to make the throws to beat Louisville.... How many passes has he thrown this season that went over 7-8 yards in the air? Like 2 or 3 tops?!
gonna need to throw past the sticks to beat Louisville.... Purdue and UNC were able to do that.... I dont believe Louisville can... If they can run all day and win.... Fine.... Thats what Boom thinks and if he's right , awesome call.... but i think Louisville will be ready to make Bryant beat them through the air....
we'll see
 
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Posted: #82
 Did anybody watch the Clemson offense @Clemson last week?


Its amusing that all of these Clemson backers passed Kelly Bryant as a success after the win at home VS Kent.


I am not saying he will not be a good QB - I have no idea how good he will be but he and that offense looked really bad against the first really good defense they played..


After they lose to LOU this week - Clemson fans will realize that a defense alone cannot win games vs good teams.

Right now they are still in awe over the Kent St game.



Also........For the record Louisville has played stronger offenses so far and has played better against the run on defense than Clemson....


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Quote Originally Posted by Clemsoning:


Yeaaahhhh...no. This is Clemson delusion at its finest. Clemson had ONE decent year, in which they were out played in FOUR games by BAD teams, yet managed to stumble into wins. And now they think they "rule" anything. Rofl. 

Clemson is an Oregon-esque blip in the radar that will fade back into obscurity posthaste. FSU has always ruled the ACC and looks like they will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Clemson will finish this year 9-3 and their garbage for brains fans will get back to their only meaningful position: arguing with Gamecocks all season about their match.


Fuckk off troll. This is an embarrassing post for you. Do you even watch college football?

 
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Win one Natty and u think u have the greatest program ever.REALITY WILL HIT SOON.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by mbialowas:


Fuckk off troll. This is an embarrassing post for you. Do you even watch college football?

im assuming he does, but why would they wasted their energy against weakest opponents especially when them tigers sitting in top 2? 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Clemsoning:

Clemson had ONE decent year, in which they were out played in FOUR games by BAD teams, yet managed to stumble into wins.


That didn't happen once.  You're out of you rmind. 
 
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After they lose to LOU this week - Clemson fans will realize that a defense alone cannot win games vs good teams.

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Auburn is a top-10 team.  That doesn't qualify as "good" in your book?  You've shown your irrational Clemson hatred repeatedly in the last few months.  Just get over it already.
 
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Auburn is a top-10 team.  That doesn't qualify as "good" in your book?  You've shown your irrational Clemson hatred repeatedly in the last few months.  Just get over it already.



Whoa......I have no hate for any team......I dont have any biases....I cannot remember the last time I picked against Clemson.....You might have me mixed up with someone else.........I just think they will need a good offense to be a contender again this season.......So far they have only been tested once and they have not looked good on the offensive side of the ball.

I was just reacting to some quotes that I have seen that indicated that Clemson will pick up right where they left off without one of the best college QBS ever in Watson.


I think LOU wins Saturday because they will struggle to move the ball


I didnt mean to offend anyone.
 
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They obviously beat Auburn because they are so good on defense.


But like I posted earlier......Out of Clemsons 15 wins last season 8 of them were by 7 or less......Thats a lot of close games - They needed QB Deshaun Watson and all of his production........If Clemson gets the job done with Kelly at LOU. I will be the first guy to admit I was wrong.




 
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Quote Originally Posted by MikeMed:




You might have me mixed up with someone else.........

I was just reacting to some quotes that I have seen that indicated that Clemson will pick up right where they left off without one of the best college QBS ever in Watson.



Maybe I do have you mixed up with someone else, which is good because you seemed to have some good insight on a couple of games.

And no I am not sold on Kelly Bryant or the offense yet.  That's why they play the games.  And I will not be betting on this one.
 
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But like I posted earlier......Out of Clemsons 15 wins last season 8 of them were by 7 or less......Thats a lot of close games - They needed QB Deshaun Watson and all of his production........


It was 7 of 14, not 8 of 15.  And three of those "one-score" games were games where the losing team scored last.

Did they need Watson?  Clemson was 13-2 in one-score games in 2011-2015, including 4-1 in 2015.

That makes 11-2 for Watson, 2-1 for Stoudt, and 7-0 for Boyd in one-score games since the start of the 2011 season.
 
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die hard fans will be die hard fans, so die hard they kill each other over it.

can we get constructive unbiased analysis on who and why they will win instead? 

on that note from what i seen, the vill's defense is going to give up points because their pass defense doesnt look so good. from decades of gambling i come to realize no matter how good your defense is if they are going against a game breaker then they are going to give up points. trust me i thought bama was going to destroy johnny football but all you need is that 1 guy that can do it all (and he is just one example). with that said, if clem struggles to move the ball i have a feeling they will play catch up all night long. lamar will move the ball. in the past i have bet against players like him many times before thinking they will get shut down once they face a stout defense but it always burns my money.

i cringe every time i remember my team as them down at their own goal and with my teams bad behind defense i should get good field position. 2 plays later the game breaker connects for a 90 yarder. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by chuckyholmes69:

die hard fans will be die hard fans, so die hard they kill each other over it.

can we get constructive unbiased analysis on who and why they will win instead? 

on that note from what i seen, the vill's defense is going to give up points because their pass defense doesnt look so good. from decades of gambling i come to realize no matter how good your defense is if they are going against a game breaker then they are going to give up points. trust me i thought bama was going to destroy johnny football but all you need is that 1 guy that can do it all (and he is just one example). with that said, if clem struggles to move the ball i have a feeling they will play catch up all night long. lamar will move the ball. in the past i have bet against players like him many times before thinking they will get shut down once they face a stout defense but it always burns my money.

i cringe every time i remember my team sas them down at their own goal and with my teams top national defense i should get good field position. 2 plays later the game breaker connects for a 90 yarder. 

sorry i thought i could use bad words, but to fix some corrections to make it more understandable
 
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I like Clemson to cover the 3 @ the ville 




enjoy ladies and gentlemen 



may each of you have a prosperous Saturday 




 
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are you playing clemson then? 
 
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wassup BOOM.............................

WTF is going on in this thread........................
   

I can hardly stand reading some of this emotional crap....
   * never have we seen the ol' confirmation bias raise it's UGLY head to this degree.........

LAY THE 3.........or BET LOUISVILLE ML and STFU...........



All this match-up talk...........dumb..

 ***  study the Clemson D....what they can do.....then find a team that Louisville has played with similar ability....then AX yourself what happened?....that would be LSU.....Louisville / LJ got beat to hell.....didn't make the length of his tallywacker.......

$  that is.....be a physical presence up front (penetrate / bring heat).....AND have the speed to contain / blanket his receivers.....and chase his azz down when he breaks containment

The typical ACC D's they played ......are maybe tough sure but don't have the (SEC like) talent that Clemson has (bulk / speed)
  * Fla St / Clemson last year?.....close sure but neither playing well at that time.....and IMO Cards/LJ were on a huge roll then.....I don't think DC's knew what to do with him then......

Others like Wake or BC are too slow .....but note even average D's like Virginia.... Duke....and Kentucky were able to cause problems

NCST is close as well......but note they were off a terrible road OT  loss to Clemson....an excuse yes but IMO valid
  * when PRESSURE was on.....note a fast / physical and BEAT UP Houston D whipped their azz pretty good....11 sacks / LJ 20-43 ...211 


A few points.........

ARGUABLE sure.....but on a neutral field Auburn would be a small favorite over Louisville

From last year's team....they lose their top (key) RB....their 3 best WR's.....and 3 OL
  * off life / death struggles with PURDUE (about the nations 75th best team or so).....and N Carolina (#50 or so)

Many of the teams UL faced last year maybe had solid D's....but BAD O's......couldn't move the chains > keep their D off the field
  * BC #124.....WF #109...Duke #77....NCSt # 55 but fairly average 

Here's a good one ha....
   Cards are a dumb team.....and their OL stinks...........
  * only 3-4 teams gave away the ball more (32X / #125)
  * only a few had more penalties (101)....
       note:  already have 17 in 2 games wtf
  * few fumbled more (ball on ground 30X)
  *  OL allowed 47 sacks...ranked #115 in sack % (9.7%)
  * last 3 games allowed a sack almost 1/5 attempts....18.8%
  * they allow too much penetration (#95 TFL allowed)....stuff rate #120
       $$ all this does not bode well vs the Clemson D

As Boom stated....not a great spot for Clemson.....esp with an in-experienced QB.....but based on what WE KNOW....looks like to me it's gotta be Clemson or nothing...
   * but no shock at all if LJ makes enough big plays to come away with a W here you bet................  


I had this one at Clemson -6 or so.....so I layed the 3.....smart thing to do in these BIG games.....esp early in the season?.....maybe just PASS and watch / enjoy the damm game
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Really surprised you would make this pick based on situational error. Did Louisville even want to play in that Citrus Bowl last year after losing to Kentucky and getting clobbered by Houston?? They had packed it in long before, while LSU with their new coach was treating it as Super Bowl 2016. Was Alabama horrible when Stoops and Oklahoma destroyed them in the Sugar a few years ago, or was a clear lack of motivation the major factor?

I'm sure Petrino has been scheming for this one all off-season. At night against a newbie QB, it's Louisville all the way to the cash window, bud.

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wassup BOOM.............................WTF is going on in this thread........................   I can hardly stand reading some of this emotional crap....   * never have we seen the ol' confirmation bias raise it's UGLY head to this degree.........LAY THE 3.........or BET LOUISVILLE ML and STFU...........All this match-up talk...........dumb.. ***  study the Clemson D....what they can do.....then find a team that Louisville has played with similar ability....then AX yourself what happened?....that would be LSU.....Louisville / LJ got beat to hell.....didn't make the length of his tallywacker.......$  that is.....be a physical presence up front (penetrate / bring heat).....AND have the speed to contain / blanket his receivers.....and chase his azz down when he breaks containmentThe typical ACC D's they played ......are maybe tough sure but don't have the (SEC like) talent that Clemson has (bulk / speed)  * Fla St / Clemson last year?.....close sure but neither playing well at that time.....and IMO Cards/LJ were on a huge roll then.....I don't think DC's knew what to do with him then......Others like Wake or BC are too slow .....but note even average D's like Virginia.... Duke....and Kentucky were able to cause problems NCST is close as well......but note they were off a terrible road OT  loss to Clemson....an excuse yes but IMO valid  * when PRESSURE was on.....note a fast / physical and BEAT UP Houston D whipped their azz pretty good....11 sacks / LJ 20-43 ...211 A few points.........ARGUABLE sure.....but on a neutral field Auburn would be a small favorite over LouisvilleFrom last year's team....they lose their top (key) RB....their 3 best WR's.....and 3 OL  * off life / death struggles with PURDUE (about the nations 75th best team or so).....and N Carolina (#50 or so)Many of the teams UL faced last year maybe had solid D's....but BAD O's......couldn't move the chains > keep their D off the field   * BC #124.....WF #109...Duke #77....NCSt # 55 but fairly average Here's a good one ha....   Cards are a dumb team.....and their OL stinks...........  * only 3-4 teams gave away the ball more (32X / #125)  * only a few had more penalties (101)....       note:  already have 17 in 2 games wtf  * few fumbled more (ball on ground 30X)  *  OL allowed 47 sacks...ranked #115 in sack % (9.7%)   * last 3 games allowed a sack almost 1/5 attempts....18.8%   * they allow too much penetration (#95 TFL allowed)....stuff rate #120        $$ all this does not bode well vs the Clemson DAs Boom stated....not a great spot for Clemson.....esp with an in-experienced QB.....but based on what WE KNOW....looks like to me it's gotta be Clemson or nothing...   * but no shock at all if LJ makes enough big plays to come away with a W here you bet................  I had this one at Clemson -6 or so.....so I layed the 3.....smart thing to do in these BIG games.....esp early in the season?.....maybe just PASS and watch / enjoy the damm game

 
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Nick Petrino thought about it for a second and sighed.

Louisville’s quarterbacks coach on Tuesday sifted through memories of his team’s emotions in the wake of U of L’s 42-36 defeat at Clemson last fall. It was the third consecutive time Louisville lost to its ACC nemesis in a one-possession game that went down to the wire.

“It was sad,” said Petrino, who is the son of head coach Bobby Petrino. “They put everything they had into that game.”

It was a thrilling matchup on national television, a high-scoring, back-andforth contest between two top-five teams that wasn’t decided until the final minute. It was only Oct. 1, the fifth week of the college football season, but the game made a lasting impact.

From there, Clemson won nine of its final 10 games, including the national championship against Alabama.

And Louisville’s Lamar Jackson, fueled by his 457 total yards of offense and three touchdowns in that game, became his

program’s first Heisman Trophy winner.

Now Louisville (2-0) has the chance to chart a new path this season, with another highly anticipated matchup against the Tigers looming with similar stakes. The 14th-ranked Cards host No. 2 Clemson at 8 p.m. Saturday at Papa John’s Cardinal Stadium.

 
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Here's the bottom line......................

Clemson is an ELITE program................PERIOD
  * there is no argument

Louisville?....is simply not that good.....their QB (a combination of Usain Bolt / John Elway ha)....has the ability to keep them in any game sure

Seems risky to me when they face a team that can take advantage of their weaknesses to bet on them....but sure who TF knows it might work................
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Quote Originally Posted by BIGDTITLE:

Jackson has been their entire team these first 2 games and essentially escaped with victories over Purdue and the Heels......2 teams that don't even come close to Clemson and we only have to cover -3?  Give me that all day long.  

"we only have to cover"  don't bet like a homer...lol


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