They better hope they stack up this year because IMO they are going to have recruiting sanctions for the next 3-5 years, limiting their schollys and trust me when I tell you it hurts....I think anyone thinking the NCAA is gonna go easy on them is crazy.. Obviously USC had lost institutional control, that is why this has taken so long, and the NCAA is going to hammer USC pretty hard IMO...
losing institutionally control wont be a major penalty. Trust that.
You;re really hung up about this? Just because there's a meeting set in Feb doesnt mean sanctions are coming. Could they? Sure. But you seem to think its a slam dunk.
I think they lose wins for the season Bush was there, bowl victory and maybe some scholarships. Thats about it.
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Quote Originally Posted by koko11:
They better hope they stack up this year because IMO they are going to have recruiting sanctions for the next 3-5 years, limiting their schollys and trust me when I tell you it hurts....I think anyone thinking the NCAA is gonna go easy on them is crazy.. Obviously USC had lost institutional control, that is why this has taken so long, and the NCAA is going to hammer USC pretty hard IMO...
losing institutionally control wont be a major penalty. Trust that.
You;re really hung up about this? Just because there's a meeting set in Feb doesnt mean sanctions are coming. Could they? Sure. But you seem to think its a slam dunk.
I think they lose wins for the season Bush was there, bowl victory and maybe some scholarships. Thats about it.
losing institutionally control wont be a major penalty. Trust that.
You;re really hung up about this? Just because there's a meeting set in Feb doesnt mean sanctions are coming. Could they? Sure. But you seem to think its a slam dunk.
I think they lose wins for the season Bush was there, bowl victory and maybe some scholarships. Thats about it.
Loosing institutional control is a big issue.. If USC knowingly let players get paid under the table like is being reported USC will get the hammer.... That is IMO though.. Bama had something similar and they got hammered bad because of "Loosing Institutional Control".. May be differnt with the media darling USC though..
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Quote Originally Posted by westcoastTrojan:
losing institutionally control wont be a major penalty. Trust that.
You;re really hung up about this? Just because there's a meeting set in Feb doesnt mean sanctions are coming. Could they? Sure. But you seem to think its a slam dunk.
I think they lose wins for the season Bush was there, bowl victory and maybe some scholarships. Thats about it.
Loosing institutional control is a big issue.. If USC knowingly let players get paid under the table like is being reported USC will get the hammer.... That is IMO though.. Bama had something similar and they got hammered bad because of "Loosing Institutional Control".. May be differnt with the media darling USC though..
Loosing institutional control is a big issue.. If USC knowingly let players get paid under the table like is being reported USC will get the hammer.... That is IMO though.. Bama had something similar and they got hammered bad because of "Loosing Institutional Control".. May be differnt with the media darling USC though..
how can anyone prove USC was involved? Thats impossible, in this situation.
Bama did way worst than what USC is being accussed of right now.
what players got paid under the table? Bush? How was USC involved with that? Thats an over eager agent who wanted to make a big splash who gave him stuff.
Mayo? You think USC was involved? You actually think they would have the head coach meet with Mayo's guy to give $1000 every once in a while? Come on, that sounds janky. That was all Floyd. I can understand if $200k just showed up in Mayo's account, than yeah, USC would have to be involved. If USC knew Floyd was meeting with someone to give $1000 buck envelopes, they would have told him to stop and had someone besides the head coach give the money.
I'm not dillusional here. I'm fully aware USC pays players. Everyone does. if you dont think Bama is doing it, you're hiding under a rock. But based on the allegations being brought, it just doesnt look like USC was directly involved.
Did you just stumble across these allegations? Its old news.
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Quote Originally Posted by koko11:
Loosing institutional control is a big issue.. If USC knowingly let players get paid under the table like is being reported USC will get the hammer.... That is IMO though.. Bama had something similar and they got hammered bad because of "Loosing Institutional Control".. May be differnt with the media darling USC though..
how can anyone prove USC was involved? Thats impossible, in this situation.
Bama did way worst than what USC is being accussed of right now.
what players got paid under the table? Bush? How was USC involved with that? Thats an over eager agent who wanted to make a big splash who gave him stuff.
Mayo? You think USC was involved? You actually think they would have the head coach meet with Mayo's guy to give $1000 every once in a while? Come on, that sounds janky. That was all Floyd. I can understand if $200k just showed up in Mayo's account, than yeah, USC would have to be involved. If USC knew Floyd was meeting with someone to give $1000 buck envelopes, they would have told him to stop and had someone besides the head coach give the money.
I'm not dillusional here. I'm fully aware USC pays players. Everyone does. if you dont think Bama is doing it, you're hiding under a rock. But based on the allegations being brought, it just doesnt look like USC was directly involved.
Did you just stumble across these allegations? Its old news.
how can anyone prove USC was involved? Thats impossible, in this situation.
Bama did way worst than what USC is being accussed of right now.
what players got paid under the table? Bush? How was USC involved with that? Thats an over eager agent who wanted to make a big splash who gave him stuff.
Mayo? You think USC was involved? You actually think they would have the head coach meet with Mayo's guy to give $1000 every once in a while? Come on, that sounds janky. That was all Floyd. I can understand if $200k just showed up in Mayo's account, than yeah, USC would have to be involved. If USC knew Floyd was meeting with someone to give $1000 buck envelopes, they would have told him to stop and had someone besides the head coach give the money.
I'm not dillusional here. I'm fully aware USC pays players. Everyone does. if you dont think Bama is doing it, you're hiding under a rock. But based on the allegations being brought, it just doesnt look like USC was directly involved.
Did you just stumble across these allegations? Its old news.
It will come down to what the NCAA wants to do.. They answer to no one.... What they say goes, and I am just assuming by the way things have been unfolding ever since 05....We heard nothing until here recently in the last few months... Bush gets subpoenaed to testify about the money he and his family got, the NCAA thing comes up again, rumors start flying around late last week about Pete leaving, Monday Pete signs with Seattle, shortly after the NCAA comes out and says they have everything they need to make a decision... The timeline just adds up to Pete knowing they are going to get hammered, seen an out, and took it... I mean who really would want to leave a place like USC to go get fired in Seattle in a few years?? Besides a few more mil a year and a new gig there is no reason to leave USC, IMO he knew USC was going to get sanctions that was going to make it hard to win there for a few years... I am not saying they are going to ban USC from post season play but 5 schollys a year for 3-5 years is going to hurt more than you know....Then again they may not do anything but take away their BCS Championship, vacate all the wins of when Bush was there and be done with it... I am just speculating about what it looks like from someone that does not have an intrest in what happens either way..
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Quote Originally Posted by westcoastTrojan:
how can anyone prove USC was involved? Thats impossible, in this situation.
Bama did way worst than what USC is being accussed of right now.
what players got paid under the table? Bush? How was USC involved with that? Thats an over eager agent who wanted to make a big splash who gave him stuff.
Mayo? You think USC was involved? You actually think they would have the head coach meet with Mayo's guy to give $1000 every once in a while? Come on, that sounds janky. That was all Floyd. I can understand if $200k just showed up in Mayo's account, than yeah, USC would have to be involved. If USC knew Floyd was meeting with someone to give $1000 buck envelopes, they would have told him to stop and had someone besides the head coach give the money.
I'm not dillusional here. I'm fully aware USC pays players. Everyone does. if you dont think Bama is doing it, you're hiding under a rock. But based on the allegations being brought, it just doesnt look like USC was directly involved.
Did you just stumble across these allegations? Its old news.
It will come down to what the NCAA wants to do.. They answer to no one.... What they say goes, and I am just assuming by the way things have been unfolding ever since 05....We heard nothing until here recently in the last few months... Bush gets subpoenaed to testify about the money he and his family got, the NCAA thing comes up again, rumors start flying around late last week about Pete leaving, Monday Pete signs with Seattle, shortly after the NCAA comes out and says they have everything they need to make a decision... The timeline just adds up to Pete knowing they are going to get hammered, seen an out, and took it... I mean who really would want to leave a place like USC to go get fired in Seattle in a few years?? Besides a few more mil a year and a new gig there is no reason to leave USC, IMO he knew USC was going to get sanctions that was going to make it hard to win there for a few years... I am not saying they are going to ban USC from post season play but 5 schollys a year for 3-5 years is going to hurt more than you know....Then again they may not do anything but take away their BCS Championship, vacate all the wins of when Bush was there and be done with it... I am just speculating about what it looks like from someone that does not have an intrest in what happens either way..
It will come down to what the NCAA wants to do.. They answer to no one.... What they say goes, and I am just assuming by the way things have been unfolding ever since 05....We heard nothing until here recently in the last few months... Bush gets subpoenaed to testify about the money he and his family got, the NCAA thing comes up again, rumors start flying around late last week about Pete leaving, Monday Pete signs with Seattle, shortly after the NCAA comes out and says they have everything they need to make a decision... The timeline just adds up to Pete knowing they are going to get hammered, seen an out, and took it... I mean who really would want to leave a place like USC to go get fired in Seattle in a few years?? Besides a few more mil a year and a new gig there is no reason to leave USC, IMO he knew USC was going to get sanctions that was going to make it hard to win there for a few years... I am not saying they are going to ban USC from post season play but 5 schollys a year for 3-5 years is going to hurt more than you know....Then again they may not do anything but take away their BCS Championship, vacate all the wins of when Bush was there and be done with it... I am just speculating about what it looks like from someone that does not have an intrest in what happens either way..
No reason to leave USC? $7 mil per season isnt a reason? A USC program thats looking a little empty next season? The fact that his opportunity to coach in the nfl is shrinking?
You have to realize, the NFL is Pete's first love. He's one of the biggest competitors around. He'll challenge you to a bubble gum chewing contest. His last stint left a bitter taste in his mouth. He wants to coach on the west coast team in the nfl, and it has to be around water (this is according to him). SD isnt looking for a coach, SF isnt either, and he wouldnt leave for the Raiders.
If you cant see this is the right time for him to leave, than I dont know what to say.
You really are hung up about the whole Bush subpoenae and the fact that the NCAA requested a meeting. its been 5 years since this came up. all that stuff doesnt mean anything. It was bound to happen.
Like you said, they wont lose champiosnhips, wins, and a heisman, and thats about it. Maybe a post season ban for one year? and some scholarships lost? Sure.
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Quote Originally Posted by koko11:
It will come down to what the NCAA wants to do.. They answer to no one.... What they say goes, and I am just assuming by the way things have been unfolding ever since 05....We heard nothing until here recently in the last few months... Bush gets subpoenaed to testify about the money he and his family got, the NCAA thing comes up again, rumors start flying around late last week about Pete leaving, Monday Pete signs with Seattle, shortly after the NCAA comes out and says they have everything they need to make a decision... The timeline just adds up to Pete knowing they are going to get hammered, seen an out, and took it... I mean who really would want to leave a place like USC to go get fired in Seattle in a few years?? Besides a few more mil a year and a new gig there is no reason to leave USC, IMO he knew USC was going to get sanctions that was going to make it hard to win there for a few years... I am not saying they are going to ban USC from post season play but 5 schollys a year for 3-5 years is going to hurt more than you know....Then again they may not do anything but take away their BCS Championship, vacate all the wins of when Bush was there and be done with it... I am just speculating about what it looks like from someone that does not have an intrest in what happens either way..
No reason to leave USC? $7 mil per season isnt a reason? A USC program thats looking a little empty next season? The fact that his opportunity to coach in the nfl is shrinking?
You have to realize, the NFL is Pete's first love. He's one of the biggest competitors around. He'll challenge you to a bubble gum chewing contest. His last stint left a bitter taste in his mouth. He wants to coach on the west coast team in the nfl, and it has to be around water (this is according to him). SD isnt looking for a coach, SF isnt either, and he wouldnt leave for the Raiders.
If you cant see this is the right time for him to leave, than I dont know what to say.
You really are hung up about the whole Bush subpoenae and the fact that the NCAA requested a meeting. its been 5 years since this came up. all that stuff doesnt mean anything. It was bound to happen.
Like you said, they wont lose champiosnhips, wins, and a heisman, and thats about it. Maybe a post season ban for one year? and some scholarships lost? Sure.
No reason to leave USC? $7 mil per season isnt a reason? A USC program thats looking a little empty next season? The fact that his opportunity to coach in the nfl is shrinking?
You have to realize, the NFL is Pete's first love. He's one of the biggest competitors around. He'll challenge you to a bubble gum chewing contest. His last stint left a bitter taste in his mouth. He wants to coach on the west coast team in the nfl, and it has to be around water (this is according to him). SD isnt looking for a coach, SF isnt either, and he wouldnt leave for the Raiders.
If you cant see this is the right time for him to leave, than I dont know what to say.
You really are hung up about the whole Bush subpoenae and the fact that the NCAA requested a meeting. its been 5 years since this came up. all that stuff doesnt mean anything. It was bound to happen.
Like you said, they wont lose champiosnhips, wins, and a heisman, and thats about it. Maybe a post season ban for one year? and some scholarships lost? Sure.
I said the only reasons to leave is money and a new gig, getting tired of the same ole same ole at USC...I see what you are saying and I am not saying what I am saying is right.. I am mearly speculating about some situations that could occur.. You are probably right to be honest, I am just thinking up scenarios...
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Quote Originally Posted by westcoastTrojan:
No reason to leave USC? $7 mil per season isnt a reason? A USC program thats looking a little empty next season? The fact that his opportunity to coach in the nfl is shrinking?
You have to realize, the NFL is Pete's first love. He's one of the biggest competitors around. He'll challenge you to a bubble gum chewing contest. His last stint left a bitter taste in his mouth. He wants to coach on the west coast team in the nfl, and it has to be around water (this is according to him). SD isnt looking for a coach, SF isnt either, and he wouldnt leave for the Raiders.
If you cant see this is the right time for him to leave, than I dont know what to say.
You really are hung up about the whole Bush subpoenae and the fact that the NCAA requested a meeting. its been 5 years since this came up. all that stuff doesnt mean anything. It was bound to happen.
Like you said, they wont lose champiosnhips, wins, and a heisman, and thats about it. Maybe a post season ban for one year? and some scholarships lost? Sure.
I said the only reasons to leave is money and a new gig, getting tired of the same ole same ole at USC...I see what you are saying and I am not saying what I am saying is right.. I am mearly speculating about some situations that could occur.. You are probably right to be honest, I am just thinking up scenarios...
when was the last cowboys superbowl? hell they just went howlong without a playoff win? the last time i checked usc lost the last nc game they played in..and have one one in the last how many years? unless you count the ap that one year..which was bullshit..im just saying man your comparing the fucking trojans to the pats and the yanks? thats a god damn joke
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when was the last cowboys superbowl? hell they just went howlong without a playoff win? the last time i checked usc lost the last nc game they played in..and have one one in the last how many years? unless you count the ap that one year..which was bullshit..im just saying man your comparing the fucking trojans to the pats and the yanks? thats a god damn joke
and had you played that auburn team in 04 instead of jokelahoma you might not have that one...thats what anyone in the south will tell you..i want to be friends man but you have to quit drinking that usc koolaide espn is feeding you guys...
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and had you played that auburn team in 04 instead of jokelahoma you might not have that one...thats what anyone in the south will tell you..i want to be friends man but you have to quit drinking that usc koolaide espn is feeding you guys...
everyone thinks about scenarios when it comes to usc. 90% of you guys want nothing more than to see USC crumble.
I get it. Its the same thing with the Yankees, the Patriots, the COwboys. People dont like to see winners.
You'll see, as a Bama fan. Win some more and you'll see.
I do not give 2 shits about USC.. I do not care if they get the death penalty or they win 10 Puss 10 championships in a row... Wow good job Pete, then you lose one and you run your scared ass out of LA...The fact is USC is the biggest story in college football right now and being the college football homer I am I love talking about whatever is going on in the sport..And you are comparing USC to the Yankee's,Patriots, and the Cowboys.. .As good as USC has been the past 10 years they have won 1 title... The way you are talking they have won 4 in 10 years since you are comparing them to the Patriots.As a Bama fan, Bama is hated by everyone in the SEC and the National Meida.... When Bama was searching for a coach I can not tell you how many talking heads was saying they were done for, no one wanted to coach here and so on...USC has it easy, they are a media darling, USC can do no wrong, and USC is always in a championship talk even when they clearly should not be.. No one hates USC, or no one that matters hates them..
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Quote Originally Posted by westcoastTrojan:
everyone thinks about scenarios when it comes to usc. 90% of you guys want nothing more than to see USC crumble.
I get it. Its the same thing with the Yankees, the Patriots, the COwboys. People dont like to see winners.
You'll see, as a Bama fan. Win some more and you'll see.
I do not give 2 shits about USC.. I do not care if they get the death penalty or they win 10 Puss 10 championships in a row... Wow good job Pete, then you lose one and you run your scared ass out of LA...The fact is USC is the biggest story in college football right now and being the college football homer I am I love talking about whatever is going on in the sport..And you are comparing USC to the Yankee's,Patriots, and the Cowboys.. .As good as USC has been the past 10 years they have won 1 title... The way you are talking they have won 4 in 10 years since you are comparing them to the Patriots.As a Bama fan, Bama is hated by everyone in the SEC and the National Meida.... When Bama was searching for a coach I can not tell you how many talking heads was saying they were done for, no one wanted to coach here and so on...USC has it easy, they are a media darling, USC can do no wrong, and USC is always in a championship talk even when they clearly should not be.. No one hates USC, or no one that matters hates them..
and had you played that auburn team in 04 instead of jokelahoma you might not have that one...thats what anyone in the south will tell you..i want to be friends man but you have to quit drinking that usc koolaide espn is feeding you guys...
please, we'll never be friends. You're a southern boy. Its in your dna to hate people from the west coast.
That same Auburn team USC went into the year before and dominated 23-0? That one? Yeah, USC would have been terrified.
Tubberville vs. Pete Carroll
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Quote Originally Posted by HeyRube:
and had you played that auburn team in 04 instead of jokelahoma you might not have that one...thats what anyone in the south will tell you..i want to be friends man but you have to quit drinking that usc koolaide espn is feeding you guys...
please, we'll never be friends. You're a southern boy. Its in your dna to hate people from the west coast.
That same Auburn team USC went into the year before and dominated 23-0? That one? Yeah, USC would have been terrified.
first, i'm not comparing USC to pro teams. What I'm trying to say is people hate teams at the top of their respective sports because they are winners.
Thats society. Nobody likes winners. We're a bunch of jealous assholes.
Fair enough.... GL with USC, maybe they will not get hit to hard...In all fairness to the AU argument, I think the 04 USC team would have destroyed anyone they played, there were that good, but so was Auburn... I think it would have been a good game but I think USC wins it pretty easy in the end...Both teams filled players in the 1st round of the NFL draft with stars...
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Quote Originally Posted by westcoastTrojan:
first, i'm not comparing USC to pro teams. What I'm trying to say is people hate teams at the top of their respective sports because they are winners.
Thats society. Nobody likes winners. We're a bunch of jealous assholes.
Fair enough.... GL with USC, maybe they will not get hit to hard...In all fairness to the AU argument, I think the 04 USC team would have destroyed anyone they played, there were that good, but so was Auburn... I think it would have been a good game but I think USC wins it pretty easy in the end...Both teams filled players in the 1st round of the NFL draft with stars...
Maybe Pete got tired of all the "California girls" and wanted to try a different breed. Seven million dollars is surely an incentive. I don't blame these coaches that make the best moves for themselves, the schools certainly do what the think is best for them. It is a big business, the coaches need to get what they can when they can. The schools fire coaches, coaches quit schools. That's life.
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Maybe Pete got tired of all the "California girls" and wanted to try a different breed. Seven million dollars is surely an incentive. I don't blame these coaches that make the best moves for themselves, the schools certainly do what the think is best for them. It is a big business, the coaches need to get what they can when they can. The schools fire coaches, coaches quit schools. That's life.
you didnt beat the same auburn team ...you beat the team that had just graduated williams and ronnie brown and jason cambell and aout 5 other pros...and i dont hate the west coast..quite fond of it..hav been to la berkely palm springs and about 10 other citys...and 1969...you cant be comparing our schedules? i know you think paying the pac 10 is a real juggernaut ...especially when you have to play notre dame... beating OSU is something every team in the sec has done with ease...and we in the south...know that sc would do good to finish 2nd or 3rd in the sec on a yearly basis
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you didnt beat the same auburn team ...you beat the team that had just graduated williams and ronnie brown and jason cambell and aout 5 other pros...and i dont hate the west coast..quite fond of it..hav been to la berkely palm springs and about 10 other citys...and 1969...you cant be comparing our schedules? i know you think paying the pac 10 is a real juggernaut ...especially when you have to play notre dame... beating OSU is something every team in the sec has done with ease...and we in the south...know that sc would do good to finish 2nd or 3rd in the sec on a yearly basis
you didnt beat the same auburn team ...you beat the team that had just graduated williams and ronnie brown and jason cambell and aout 5 other pros...and i dont hate the west coast..quite fond of it..hav been to la berkely palm springs and about 10 other citys...and 1969...you cant be comparing our schedules? i know you think paying the pac 10 is a real juggernaut ...especially when you have to play notre dame... beating OSU is something every team in the sec has done with ease...and we in the south...know that sc would do good to finish 2nd or 3rd in the sec on a yearly basis
get your facts straight. Cadillac and Ronnie Brown both played against USC. They had 46 yards and 35 carries combined. Jason Campbell was the QB as well. They were ranked #1 going into the season (?).
But i wouldnt expect you to know that because all you follow is Tennessee. Nice try though.
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Quote Originally Posted by HeyRube:
you didnt beat the same auburn team ...you beat the team that had just graduated williams and ronnie brown and jason cambell and aout 5 other pros...and i dont hate the west coast..quite fond of it..hav been to la berkely palm springs and about 10 other citys...and 1969...you cant be comparing our schedules? i know you think paying the pac 10 is a real juggernaut ...especially when you have to play notre dame... beating OSU is something every team in the sec has done with ease...and we in the south...know that sc would do good to finish 2nd or 3rd in the sec on a yearly basis
get your facts straight. Cadillac and Ronnie Brown both played against USC. They had 46 yards and 35 carries combined. Jason Campbell was the QB as well. They were ranked #1 going into the season (?).
But i wouldnt expect you to know that because all you follow is Tennessee. Nice try though.
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