FSU is 0-3 ats on the road this year (with two of their away games in their home state), Va Tech is 4-0 su at home. In their only road game outside of Florida they lost 17-16 at NC St. Tonight they will be playing in Virginia where the crowd will be raucous as their home team will get a chance to beat a top 10 squad and move a step closer to becoming bowl eligible.
In a loss to Miami, Va Tech out gained them and lost a close game on a blocked punt as well as a long kickoff return. Tough special teams play. In another close loss against Clemson, again Va Tech out gained their opponent; but this time they lost by turning the ball over too many times. Both of these were road games, and I look for Va Tech to be more disciplined at home. Also, for anyone that was impressed with Bowling Green's performance last night, Va Tech beat them 37-0 this year.
I am aware that FSU clearly has more talent, but they have been shaky on the road like I mentioned. Additionally, I believe Va Tech's defense is underrated and will show up tonight in a big way. Lean under also as I look for both teams to try to establish the running game early in the cold weather.
Best of luck to everyone that decides to play Virginia Tech.
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FSU is 0-3 ats on the road this year (with two of their away games in their home state), Va Tech is 4-0 su at home. In their only road game outside of Florida they lost 17-16 at NC St. Tonight they will be playing in Virginia where the crowd will be raucous as their home team will get a chance to beat a top 10 squad and move a step closer to becoming bowl eligible.
In a loss to Miami, Va Tech out gained them and lost a close game on a blocked punt as well as a long kickoff return. Tough special teams play. In another close loss against Clemson, again Va Tech out gained their opponent; but this time they lost by turning the ball over too many times. Both of these were road games, and I look for Va Tech to be more disciplined at home. Also, for anyone that was impressed with Bowling Green's performance last night, Va Tech beat them 37-0 this year.
I am aware that FSU clearly has more talent, but they have been shaky on the road like I mentioned. Additionally, I believe Va Tech's defense is underrated and will show up tonight in a big way. Lean under also as I look for both teams to try to establish the running game early in the cold weather.
Best of luck to everyone that decides to play Virginia Tech.
Your aguement could bode well for FSU. Because V-tech lost ATS to clemson and UM, in "close" games against so/so defenses. So what happens when they have a bad game not as close against a superior defense. FSU is the beat defense in the ACC. Tread lightly.
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Your aguement could bode well for FSU. Because V-tech lost ATS to clemson and UM, in "close" games against so/so defenses. So what happens when they have a bad game not as close against a superior defense. FSU is the beat defense in the ACC. Tread lightly.
Hokies are in complete turmoil. At a typical night game in Blacksburg I'd agree the crowd would be rowdy but this fan base has thrown in the towel this season.
As for the Hokies defense being underrated? Just the opposite, they are extremely vunerable.
I know this team very well, and im on the opposite side for a bet 8x my normal size. Good luck.
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Hokies are in complete turmoil. At a typical night game in Blacksburg I'd agree the crowd would be rowdy but this fan base has thrown in the towel this season.
As for the Hokies defense being underrated? Just the opposite, they are extremely vunerable.
I know this team very well, and im on the opposite side for a bet 8x my normal size. Good luck.
Your aguement could bode well for FSU. Because V-tech lost ATS to clemson and UM, in "close" games against so/so defenses. So what happens when they have a bad game not as close against a superior defense. FSU is the beat defense in the ACC. Tread lightly.
As I mentioned, I expect Va Tech not to make the same mistakes at home. Against Miami, Va Tech held them to 1-12 on 3rd downs...they had a blocked punt happen and gave up an 81 yard kick off return setting up an easy score. I just don't see this tonight All this said, they still would have covered a 14 point spread.
Against Clemson, they ran some crap trick play that was returned for a defensive TD, and threw two ill-advised picks in crucial spots.I don't expect these mistakes at home in such a big game, especially with the INTs as I expect a conservative game plan and for Va Tech to try to get the running game going. Again, they still would have covered 14.
Point taken though, I was aware of FSU's stifling defense when I made the pick.
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Quote Originally Posted by skillahmang:
Your aguement could bode well for FSU. Because V-tech lost ATS to clemson and UM, in "close" games against so/so defenses. So what happens when they have a bad game not as close against a superior defense. FSU is the beat defense in the ACC. Tread lightly.
As I mentioned, I expect Va Tech not to make the same mistakes at home. Against Miami, Va Tech held them to 1-12 on 3rd downs...they had a blocked punt happen and gave up an 81 yard kick off return setting up an easy score. I just don't see this tonight All this said, they still would have covered a 14 point spread.
Against Clemson, they ran some crap trick play that was returned for a defensive TD, and threw two ill-advised picks in crucial spots.I don't expect these mistakes at home in such a big game, especially with the INTs as I expect a conservative game plan and for Va Tech to try to get the running game going. Again, they still would have covered 14.
Point taken though, I was aware of FSU's stifling defense when I made the pick.
Hokies are in complete turmoil. At a typical night game in Blacksburg I'd agree the crowd would be rowdy but this fan base has thrown in the towel this season.
As for the Hokies defense being underrated? Just the opposite, they are extremely vunerable.
I know this team very well, and im on the opposite side for a bet 8x my normal size. Good luck.
I know the Warriors better than any team in any sport, and if I try to bet on them I get crushed. I don't really subscribe to the 'I know this team really well' angle. I'd have to think you'd be weary of putting 8x (which I assume is near a max wager) on this team laying 2 touchdowns on the road in conference? No worries about their road struggles?
As far Va Tech's defense, get Taj Boyd, Stephen Morris, or Sean Renfree on the phone, and ask them if Va Tech's defense is overrated.
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Quote Originally Posted by paymebookie:
Hokies are in complete turmoil. At a typical night game in Blacksburg I'd agree the crowd would be rowdy but this fan base has thrown in the towel this season.
As for the Hokies defense being underrated? Just the opposite, they are extremely vunerable.
I know this team very well, and im on the opposite side for a bet 8x my normal size. Good luck.
I know the Warriors better than any team in any sport, and if I try to bet on them I get crushed. I don't really subscribe to the 'I know this team really well' angle. I'd have to think you'd be weary of putting 8x (which I assume is near a max wager) on this team laying 2 touchdowns on the road in conference? No worries about their road struggles?
As far Va Tech's defense, get Taj Boyd, Stephen Morris, or Sean Renfree on the phone, and ask them if Va Tech's defense is overrated.
Hokies are in complete turmoil. At a typical night game in Blacksburg I'd agree the crowd would be rowdy but this fan base has thrown in the towel this season.
If they win this game, they have a great shot of being bowl eligible at season's end.
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Quote Originally Posted by paymebookie:
Hokies are in complete turmoil. At a typical night game in Blacksburg I'd agree the crowd would be rowdy but this fan base has thrown in the towel this season.
If they win this game, they have a great shot of being bowl eligible at season's end.
I wouldn't take this route i honestly believe this defense is gonna put the pressure on th v tech Qb and for more turnovers. prediction virginia tech will play their hearts out first qrt the fade away. the line is a little high for these shaky teams but i like seminoles there well rested for a road game perfect time to smash the trend. besides for trend betters for the past two days the dog has won can you see the psycology of the bookmakers.... which i cashed in on as well taking the green to the under... so i would reconsider. and just to sprinkle a truth florida has one of the highest 3rd down conversion percentage so much their 4th downs per game are scarce so i dont think special team will be doing to much work. i see one int by the flo defense that has over 15 defensive touchdowns a team that can score offensively and defensively??????/?/ florida -13 half if you can still find it. couse tonight is favorite night so well have to blend in with th public find your bets early
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I wouldn't take this route i honestly believe this defense is gonna put the pressure on th v tech Qb and for more turnovers. prediction virginia tech will play their hearts out first qrt the fade away. the line is a little high for these shaky teams but i like seminoles there well rested for a road game perfect time to smash the trend. besides for trend betters for the past two days the dog has won can you see the psycology of the bookmakers.... which i cashed in on as well taking the green to the under... so i would reconsider. and just to sprinkle a truth florida has one of the highest 3rd down conversion percentage so much their 4th downs per game are scarce so i dont think special team will be doing to much work. i see one int by the flo defense that has over 15 defensive touchdowns a team that can score offensively and defensively??????/?/ florida -13 half if you can still find it. couse tonight is favorite night so well have to blend in with th public find your bets early
I'm on the opposite tonight, but dogs have been doing great this week thus far (to the dismay of my wallet lol... all good I got tons of dog picks this weekend). I really like FSU here, but they did drop a huge goose egg against NC State earlier this year on the road. GL
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I'm on the opposite tonight, but dogs have been doing great this week thus far (to the dismay of my wallet lol... all good I got tons of dog picks this weekend). I really like FSU here, but they did drop a huge goose egg against NC State earlier this year on the road. GL
this has got " closer than the experts think " written all over it. Tech can really ease the pain of a miserable season with the upset, and they got the athletes to bang with the noles for 4 quarters. FSU 27 Vech 20
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this has got " closer than the experts think " written all over it. Tech can really ease the pain of a miserable season with the upset, and they got the athletes to bang with the noles for 4 quarters. FSU 27 Vech 20
I know the Warriors better than any team in any sport, and if I try to bet on them I get crushed. I don't really subscribe to the 'I know this team really well' angle. I'd have to think you'd be weary of putting 8x (which I assume is near a max wager) on this team laying 2 touchdowns on the road in conference? No worries about their road struggles?
As far Va Tech's defense, get Taj Boyd, Stephen Morris, or Sean Renfree on the phone, and ask them if Va Tech's defense is overrated.
If you think this Hokies D resembles anything close to what they have in the past then you are simply not doing your homework.
They rank in the 70's nationally against the run which is what in previous years they've hung their hat on. Yes, they contained Boyd, and Renner...but when you're able to run the ball down their throats then any coach with a brain would continue going with what works.
If you watch Hokie games, they don't have any talent at the WR position, and have shown time and time again that they cannot help Thomas out when the plays break down.
On to Special Teams, or "Beamer Ball", it has been a sore spot for them this year, another problem are given the fact Beamer spends 1/3rd of each practice on it.
I wish you luck in your play, and I am not bashing you. This is what makes this forum good, discussion. I am just telling you that Hokies have not given me 1 reason all year to say they can compete with this focused Seminoles team.
41-17 FSU
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Quote Originally Posted by Donnie_Baseball:
I know the Warriors better than any team in any sport, and if I try to bet on them I get crushed. I don't really subscribe to the 'I know this team really well' angle. I'd have to think you'd be weary of putting 8x (which I assume is near a max wager) on this team laying 2 touchdowns on the road in conference? No worries about their road struggles?
As far Va Tech's defense, get Taj Boyd, Stephen Morris, or Sean Renfree on the phone, and ask them if Va Tech's defense is overrated.
If you think this Hokies D resembles anything close to what they have in the past then you are simply not doing your homework.
They rank in the 70's nationally against the run which is what in previous years they've hung their hat on. Yes, they contained Boyd, and Renner...but when you're able to run the ball down their throats then any coach with a brain would continue going with what works.
If you watch Hokie games, they don't have any talent at the WR position, and have shown time and time again that they cannot help Thomas out when the plays break down.
On to Special Teams, or "Beamer Ball", it has been a sore spot for them this year, another problem are given the fact Beamer spends 1/3rd of each practice on it.
I wish you luck in your play, and I am not bashing you. This is what makes this forum good, discussion. I am just telling you that Hokies have not given me 1 reason all year to say they can compete with this focused Seminoles team.
Florida State is 0-2 off byes since Fisher took over and have fumbled 9 times in their last 2 games.
I guess I just don't see FSU running the ball down Va Tech's throat as you presume. And if they can't, Manuel has also looked pretty shaky on the road this year.
A couple of people are acting like Va Tech will need to play the best game of their live's to cover. I think all it will take is a very solid effort, nothing more than what they've shown in their home games all year long.
Not to compare these teams to FSU, but Va Tech has looked solid overall in home games vs Duke, Ga Tech, and Bowling Green (like I said, not in FSU's league but all bowl eligible this year). I think if they give the same effort it should be enough to cover 14 in their building against an FSU team that has looked somewhat average in games at South Florida, Miami, and North Carolina St.
Thanks to all that have chimed in with thoughts and/or info, I'm sure it helps out all of the people that want action on this game and are still undecided as to who they will take. Like paymebookie said above, that is what this forum is for.
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Florida State is 0-2 off byes since Fisher took over and have fumbled 9 times in their last 2 games.
I guess I just don't see FSU running the ball down Va Tech's throat as you presume. And if they can't, Manuel has also looked pretty shaky on the road this year.
A couple of people are acting like Va Tech will need to play the best game of their live's to cover. I think all it will take is a very solid effort, nothing more than what they've shown in their home games all year long.
Not to compare these teams to FSU, but Va Tech has looked solid overall in home games vs Duke, Ga Tech, and Bowling Green (like I said, not in FSU's league but all bowl eligible this year). I think if they give the same effort it should be enough to cover 14 in their building against an FSU team that has looked somewhat average in games at South Florida, Miami, and North Carolina St.
Thanks to all that have chimed in with thoughts and/or info, I'm sure it helps out all of the people that want action on this game and are still undecided as to who they will take. Like paymebookie said above, that is what this forum is for.
Not going to get into the game as I'm at VT alum and can't really not be biased. But just for reference, the at line +14 makes this the largest underdogs the Hokies have been at home in the last 22 years (let alone at home on a Thursday night as the feature game against an ACC team).
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Not going to get into the game as I'm at VT alum and can't really not be biased. But just for reference, the at line +14 makes this the largest underdogs the Hokies have been at home in the last 22 years (let alone at home on a Thursday night as the feature game against an ACC team).
I have not posted but a couple times, but had to say i agree. VT has been good at times and very bad at times. However take out all the turn overs (mia 3, clem 4, pitt 4, cinci 3) and we could be having a different conversation about this. i have watched tech for years and one thing about bud foster he will get the d ready. If the o don't turn the ball over i can see this being a 28-23 ball game.
gl to all
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I have not posted but a couple times, but had to say i agree. VT has been good at times and very bad at times. However take out all the turn overs (mia 3, clem 4, pitt 4, cinci 3) and we could be having a different conversation about this. i have watched tech for years and one thing about bud foster he will get the d ready. If the o don't turn the ball over i can see this being a 28-23 ball game.
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