In state rivalry AT M State, coming off a bye week, given an extra week to prepare for D Rob. Lets be honost, in order for Michigan to have a chance Robinson needs to show he can PASS, lol and its to bad he cant. 57% against.... uhm nobody. lol Michigan state will have him on lockdown and force him to throw. They are losing this one at home.
Thoughts are appreciated, lets do it
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Michigan State -2
In state rivalry AT M State, coming off a bye week, given an extra week to prepare for D Rob. Lets be honost, in order for Michigan to have a chance Robinson needs to show he can PASS, lol and its to bad he cant. 57% against.... uhm nobody. lol Michigan state will have him on lockdown and force him to throw. They are losing this one at home.
In state rivalry AT M State, coming off a bye week, given an extra week to prepare for D Rob. Lets be honost, in order for Michigan to have a chance Robinson needs to show he can PASS, lol and its to bad he cant. 57% against.... uhm nobody. lol Michigan state will have him on lockdown and force him to throw. They are losing this one at home.
Thoughts are appreciated, lets do it
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Quote Originally Posted by covin:
Michigan State -2
In state rivalry AT M State, coming off a bye week, given an extra week to prepare for D Rob. Lets be honost, in order for Michigan to have a chance Robinson needs to show he can PASS, lol and its to bad he cant. 57% against.... uhm nobody. lol Michigan state will have him on lockdown and force him to throw. They are losing this one at home.
He is my favorite QB in the Game, I just can't see how Michigan State doesn't turn them one dimensional and if they do, it'll be a long day him trying to pass. best of luck though man
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He is my favorite QB in the Game, I just can't see how Michigan State doesn't turn them one dimensional and if they do, it'll be a long day him trying to pass. best of luck though man
Also throwing this out there. last year Michigan had a 5-0 start and ran into a brick wall at home vs M State losing by 17 to start a 3 game losing streak.
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Also throwing this out there. last year Michigan had a 5-0 start and ran into a brick wall at home vs M State losing by 17 to start a 3 game losing streak.
I typically like MSu Defense but nothing exactly special this year, no one on any watch list for awards, giving up 34 to Notre Dame's luke warm offense with 1 playmaker who needs someone to get the ball in his hands whereas Michigans playmaker has it in his hands every snap. I really dont see MSU containing him, you need a beast of a D-line like LSu/Alabama type to ghet that push up the middle to really throw him off, he's an adequate enough passer when passing to his own team, I hope he got his INT's out of his system in that Northwestern game. Last year was D. Rob's first eyar as a starter and he really has command of his team, and as for TOP 5 in Pass and run D-? really maybe because they have played only 1 true offense in 5 games, get ready for those D- rankings to take a big hit like the economy.
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I typically like MSu Defense but nothing exactly special this year, no one on any watch list for awards, giving up 34 to Notre Dame's luke warm offense with 1 playmaker who needs someone to get the ball in his hands whereas Michigans playmaker has it in his hands every snap. I really dont see MSU containing him, you need a beast of a D-line like LSu/Alabama type to ghet that push up the middle to really throw him off, he's an adequate enough passer when passing to his own team, I hope he got his INT's out of his system in that Northwestern game. Last year was D. Rob's first eyar as a starter and he really has command of his team, and as for TOP 5 in Pass and run D-? really maybe because they have played only 1 true offense in 5 games, get ready for those D- rankings to take a big hit like the economy.
I typically like MSu Defense but nothing exactly special this year, no one on any watch list for awards, giving up 34 to Notre Dame's luke warm offense with 1 playmaker who needs someone to get the ball in his hands whereas Michigans playmaker has it in his hands every snap.
Be careful.. yes, 31pts against, but Irish only had 270 total yards of offense.. its lowest output by far this season..
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Quote Originally Posted by BigMouMan:
I typically like MSu Defense but nothing exactly special this year, no one on any watch list for awards, giving up 34 to Notre Dame's luke warm offense with 1 playmaker who needs someone to get the ball in his hands whereas Michigans playmaker has it in his hands every snap.
Be careful.. yes, 31pts against, but Irish only had 270 total yards of offense.. its lowest output by far this season..
I don't think you can rely on stats this early in college football, especially a defense that has played Youngstown State, Florida Atlantic, Central Michigan and Ohio State (who is horrid offensively). The one game I didn't mention is Notre Dame, who was very successful against that D.
Secondly, UM is a completely different team than the one that ran into MSU last year. Completely different scheme, but the coaches make all the difference, especially on in-game adjustments.
Third; Al Borgess allows DRob to throw those "jump balls" when he breaks down film and thinks his wide recievers have the ability to be more athletic in man-to-man situations. If you watch the Notre Dame game, they continually picked on #4, Gary. Over and over they threw the jump ball in his direction. Obviously they felt they had an advantage against him. Northwestern had a pair of young corners Michigan felt they had great opportunities against. However, during the Minnesota game, they resorted to a much shorter passing game, slants, screens, etc. In the end, it all comes down to what Borgess thinks Drob can do best against the scheme they will see, and his game plan will reflect as much.
Borgess has said that it usally takes a quarter (or two) before their offense gets going because every team they have faced this year shows something different than on film (due to trying to defend Drob). Thus, their game plan has to be tweaked in-game more than any other offense he has ever run. This is why Michigan always starts off slow, but then finds their stride at the mid-way point (this is not my opinion, but what is being said by the OC).
Lastly. Something to consider, and although I don't know the exact stat, but the team with the most rushing yards usually always wins this game. Personally I think the game comes down to who doesn't turn the ball over. I think both offenses can move the ball, and will account good rush yards, but turnovers will be the key factor. With that respect, Cousins is much more careful with the football, as Drob tends to not set his feet, therefore the ball sails on him a lot during scramble throws. This game is going to be VERY interesting to watch unfold. And I'm not sure I want my money on it..
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I don't think you can rely on stats this early in college football, especially a defense that has played Youngstown State, Florida Atlantic, Central Michigan and Ohio State (who is horrid offensively). The one game I didn't mention is Notre Dame, who was very successful against that D.
Secondly, UM is a completely different team than the one that ran into MSU last year. Completely different scheme, but the coaches make all the difference, especially on in-game adjustments.
Third; Al Borgess allows DRob to throw those "jump balls" when he breaks down film and thinks his wide recievers have the ability to be more athletic in man-to-man situations. If you watch the Notre Dame game, they continually picked on #4, Gary. Over and over they threw the jump ball in his direction. Obviously they felt they had an advantage against him. Northwestern had a pair of young corners Michigan felt they had great opportunities against. However, during the Minnesota game, they resorted to a much shorter passing game, slants, screens, etc. In the end, it all comes down to what Borgess thinks Drob can do best against the scheme they will see, and his game plan will reflect as much.
Borgess has said that it usally takes a quarter (or two) before their offense gets going because every team they have faced this year shows something different than on film (due to trying to defend Drob). Thus, their game plan has to be tweaked in-game more than any other offense he has ever run. This is why Michigan always starts off slow, but then finds their stride at the mid-way point (this is not my opinion, but what is being said by the OC).
Lastly. Something to consider, and although I don't know the exact stat, but the team with the most rushing yards usually always wins this game. Personally I think the game comes down to who doesn't turn the ball over. I think both offenses can move the ball, and will account good rush yards, but turnovers will be the key factor. With that respect, Cousins is much more careful with the football, as Drob tends to not set his feet, therefore the ball sails on him a lot during scramble throws. This game is going to be VERY interesting to watch unfold. And I'm not sure I want my money on it..
Too many people just see the highlights of Denard Robinson and assume he's amazing. His QB skills are awful. Yes, he is the most exciting runner in college football, but throwing the ball......there aren't many worse than him. MSU's DC (Narduzzi) had a perfect scheme last year for stopping him, hence the 20+ carries for 80 yards and he threw 3 picks. If MSU develops the running game, they roll Saturday. If they aren't able to run, and Cousins is forced into 3rd and longs all day, then this game will be close.
Also, MSU will be wearing their new "Nike Pro Combat" jerseys on Saturday, which feature a bronze color in them. This probably doesn't factor into the outcome, but I know Sparty is stoked to be coming out in these uniforms, just an added motivational factor for the home team.
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Too many people just see the highlights of Denard Robinson and assume he's amazing. His QB skills are awful. Yes, he is the most exciting runner in college football, but throwing the ball......there aren't many worse than him. MSU's DC (Narduzzi) had a perfect scheme last year for stopping him, hence the 20+ carries for 80 yards and he threw 3 picks. If MSU develops the running game, they roll Saturday. If they aren't able to run, and Cousins is forced into 3rd and longs all day, then this game will be close.
Also, MSU will be wearing their new "Nike Pro Combat" jerseys on Saturday, which feature a bronze color in them. This probably doesn't factor into the outcome, but I know Sparty is stoked to be coming out in these uniforms, just an added motivational factor for the home team.
I don't think you can rely on stats this early in college football, especially a defense that has played Youngstown State, Florida Atlantic, Central Michigan and Ohio State (who is horrid offensively). The one game I didn't mention is Notre Dame, who was very successful against that D.
Secondly, UM is a completely different team than the one that ran into MSU last year. Completely different scheme, but the coaches make all the difference, especially on in-game adjustments.
Third; Al Borgess allows DRob to throw those "jump balls" when he breaks down film and thinks his wide recievers have the ability to be more athletic in man-to-man situations. If you watch the Notre Dame game, they continually picked on #4, Gary. Over and over they threw the jump ball in his direction. Obviously they felt they had an advantage against him. Northwestern had a pair of young corners Michigan felt they had great opportunities against. However, during the Minnesota game, they resorted to a much shorter passing game, slants, screens, etc. In the end, it all comes down to what Borgess thinks Drob can do best against the scheme they will see, and his game plan will reflect as much.
Borgess has said that it usally takes a quarter (or two) before their offense gets going because every team they have faced this year shows something different than on film (due to trying to defend Drob). Thus, their game plan has to be tweaked in-game more than any other offense he has ever run. This is why Michigan always starts off slow, but then finds their stride at the mid-way point (this is not my opinion, but what is being said by the OC).
Lastly. Something to consider, and although I don't know the exact stat, but the team with the most rushing yards usually always wins this game. Personally I think the game comes down to who doesn't turn the ball over. I think both offenses can move the ball, and will account good rush yards, but turnovers will be the key factor. With that respect, Cousins is much more careful with the football, as Drob tends to not set his feet, therefore the ball sails on him a lot during scramble throws. This game is going to be VERY interesting to watch unfold. And I'm not sure I want my money on it..
Well said. Feel the exact same as you. But the line is very fishy. Good game to watch, but I think I'm goin to stay away.
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Quote Originally Posted by rLp:
I don't think you can rely on stats this early in college football, especially a defense that has played Youngstown State, Florida Atlantic, Central Michigan and Ohio State (who is horrid offensively). The one game I didn't mention is Notre Dame, who was very successful against that D.
Secondly, UM is a completely different team than the one that ran into MSU last year. Completely different scheme, but the coaches make all the difference, especially on in-game adjustments.
Third; Al Borgess allows DRob to throw those "jump balls" when he breaks down film and thinks his wide recievers have the ability to be more athletic in man-to-man situations. If you watch the Notre Dame game, they continually picked on #4, Gary. Over and over they threw the jump ball in his direction. Obviously they felt they had an advantage against him. Northwestern had a pair of young corners Michigan felt they had great opportunities against. However, during the Minnesota game, they resorted to a much shorter passing game, slants, screens, etc. In the end, it all comes down to what Borgess thinks Drob can do best against the scheme they will see, and his game plan will reflect as much.
Borgess has said that it usally takes a quarter (or two) before their offense gets going because every team they have faced this year shows something different than on film (due to trying to defend Drob). Thus, their game plan has to be tweaked in-game more than any other offense he has ever run. This is why Michigan always starts off slow, but then finds their stride at the mid-way point (this is not my opinion, but what is being said by the OC).
Lastly. Something to consider, and although I don't know the exact stat, but the team with the most rushing yards usually always wins this game. Personally I think the game comes down to who doesn't turn the ball over. I think both offenses can move the ball, and will account good rush yards, but turnovers will be the key factor. With that respect, Cousins is much more careful with the football, as Drob tends to not set his feet, therefore the ball sails on him a lot during scramble throws. This game is going to be VERY interesting to watch unfold. And I'm not sure I want my money on it..
Well said. Feel the exact same as you. But the line is very fishy. Good game to watch, but I think I'm goin to stay away.
UM will be favored by Saturday morning from the looks of things. Not sure who if it is sharps or UM alum moving this line...but I do know they are laying BIG MONEY on this game. The handle on this game might be large for these books. I'll side with Vegas if push comes to shove. Its a little too late in the season for the oddsmakers to be 4 points off in a rivalry game
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UM will be favored by Saturday morning from the looks of things. Not sure who if it is sharps or UM alum moving this line...but I do know they are laying BIG MONEY on this game. The handle on this game might be large for these books. I'll side with Vegas if push comes to shove. Its a little too late in the season for the oddsmakers to be 4 points off in a rivalry game
I don't think you can rely on stats this early in college football, especially a defense that has played Youngstown State, Florida Atlantic, Central Michigan and Ohio State (who is horrid offensively). The one game I didn't mention is Notre Dame, who was very successful against that D.
OSU didn't seem to have any issues scoring the following week at Nebraska.. 27 points in 2.5 quarters before Miller got hurt..
And again, ND, yes 31 points against, but only 270 total yards against, the Irish's lowest output by far of the season.. 31 points came from kickoff return and couple TO's that set up Irish with short field
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Quote Originally Posted by rLp:
I don't think you can rely on stats this early in college football, especially a defense that has played Youngstown State, Florida Atlantic, Central Michigan and Ohio State (who is horrid offensively). The one game I didn't mention is Notre Dame, who was very successful against that D.
OSU didn't seem to have any issues scoring the following week at Nebraska.. 27 points in 2.5 quarters before Miller got hurt..
And again, ND, yes 31 points against, but only 270 total yards against, the Irish's lowest output by far of the season.. 31 points came from kickoff return and couple TO's that set up Irish with short field
FYI:I'm backing UM because I'm a supporter but I never wager on my own team. Having said that I watch alot of BIG10 games so this is my $0.02 on this great game.
I believe this game's result comes down UM's Rushing Game. Both QB's have thrown too many picks/TD made. (MSU 4/7 UM 9/11) Although MSU does have the edge in the passing game and depends alot on that part of their game.
FACT: UM has the #1 Rushing game in the BIG10 and MSU has the #1 Rushing D in the BIG10.
MSU wins: If MSU can stop the UM rushing game. UM will be forced to pass and turnovers will follow. Someone mentioned keeping UM one demensional and they are right. MSU wins if they do just that.
UM wins: If they establish a ground game that MSU has to respect, it will open up the pass game for Deno. This makes defending UM alot harder.
Final notes: This game will be more about how MSU can contain the explosive running game of DR and less about MSU. Dantonio is a great coach and I know he's been working on getting his guys ready to stop the UM run and generate passing turnovers. It's up to UM to take the game to MSU.
MSU's home field advantage is big here and Coach D will have a trick play up his sleeve for the home town crowd.
IMHO: If UM wins this game goes OVER 49. If MSU wins it will stay UNDER 49.
GO BLUE!!!
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FYI:I'm backing UM because I'm a supporter but I never wager on my own team. Having said that I watch alot of BIG10 games so this is my $0.02 on this great game.
I believe this game's result comes down UM's Rushing Game. Both QB's have thrown too many picks/TD made. (MSU 4/7 UM 9/11) Although MSU does have the edge in the passing game and depends alot on that part of their game.
FACT: UM has the #1 Rushing game in the BIG10 and MSU has the #1 Rushing D in the BIG10.
MSU wins: If MSU can stop the UM rushing game. UM will be forced to pass and turnovers will follow. Someone mentioned keeping UM one demensional and they are right. MSU wins if they do just that.
UM wins: If they establish a ground game that MSU has to respect, it will open up the pass game for Deno. This makes defending UM alot harder.
Final notes: This game will be more about how MSU can contain the explosive running game of DR and less about MSU. Dantonio is a great coach and I know he's been working on getting his guys ready to stop the UM run and generate passing turnovers. It's up to UM to take the game to MSU.
MSU's home field advantage is big here and Coach D will have a trick play up his sleeve for the home town crowd.
IMHO: If UM wins this game goes OVER 49. If MSU wins it will stay UNDER 49.
I don't think you can rely on stats this early in college football, especially a defense that has played Youngstown State, Florida Atlantic, Central Michigan and Ohio State (who is horrid offensively). The one game I didn't mention is Notre Dame, who was very successful against that D.
Secondly, UM is a completely different team than the one that ran into MSU last year. Completely different scheme, but the coaches make all the difference, especially on in-game adjustments.
Third; Al Borgess allows DRob to throw those "jump balls" when he breaks down film and thinks his wide recievers have the ability to be more athletic in man-to-man situations. If you watch the Notre Dame game, they continually picked on #4, Gary. Over and over they threw the jump ball in his direction. Obviously they felt they had an advantage against him. Northwestern had a pair of young corners Michigan felt they had great opportunities against. However, during the Minnesota game, they resorted to a much shorter passing game, slants, screens, etc. In the end, it all comes down to what Borgess thinks Drob can do best against the scheme they will see, and his game plan will reflect as much.
Borgess has said that it usally takes a quarter (or two) before their offense gets going because every team they have faced this year shows something different than on film (due to trying to defend Drob). Thus, their game plan has to be tweaked in-game more than any other offense he has ever run. This is why Michigan always starts off slow, but then finds their stride at the mid-way point (this is not my opinion, but what is being said by the OC).
Lastly. Something to consider, and although I don't know the exact stat, but the team with the most rushing yards usually always wins this game. Personally I think the game comes down to who doesn't turn the ball over. I think both offenses can move the ball, and will account good rush yards, but turnovers will be the key factor. With that respect, Cousins is much more careful with the football, as Drob tends to not set his feet, therefore the ball sails on him a lot during scramble throws. This game is going to be VERY interesting to watch unfold. And I'm not sure I want my money on it..
I think SatNightFever's point was those "jump balls", whether he's instructed to throw those or not, have been a huge part of Michigan's offense. But I wouldn't "bank" on those being completed all season long. Michigan still has to play MSU, Illinois, Iowa, Nebraska, and Ohio State, all 5 of those teams have better defenses than anyone Michigan has faced this season. Michigan's WR's are average Big Ten WR's, some would even argue below average, they're not gonna be able to consistently win "jump balls" v.s. better defenses.
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Quote Originally Posted by rLp:
I don't think you can rely on stats this early in college football, especially a defense that has played Youngstown State, Florida Atlantic, Central Michigan and Ohio State (who is horrid offensively). The one game I didn't mention is Notre Dame, who was very successful against that D.
Secondly, UM is a completely different team than the one that ran into MSU last year. Completely different scheme, but the coaches make all the difference, especially on in-game adjustments.
Third; Al Borgess allows DRob to throw those "jump balls" when he breaks down film and thinks his wide recievers have the ability to be more athletic in man-to-man situations. If you watch the Notre Dame game, they continually picked on #4, Gary. Over and over they threw the jump ball in his direction. Obviously they felt they had an advantage against him. Northwestern had a pair of young corners Michigan felt they had great opportunities against. However, during the Minnesota game, they resorted to a much shorter passing game, slants, screens, etc. In the end, it all comes down to what Borgess thinks Drob can do best against the scheme they will see, and his game plan will reflect as much.
Borgess has said that it usally takes a quarter (or two) before their offense gets going because every team they have faced this year shows something different than on film (due to trying to defend Drob). Thus, their game plan has to be tweaked in-game more than any other offense he has ever run. This is why Michigan always starts off slow, but then finds their stride at the mid-way point (this is not my opinion, but what is being said by the OC).
Lastly. Something to consider, and although I don't know the exact stat, but the team with the most rushing yards usually always wins this game. Personally I think the game comes down to who doesn't turn the ball over. I think both offenses can move the ball, and will account good rush yards, but turnovers will be the key factor. With that respect, Cousins is much more careful with the football, as Drob tends to not set his feet, therefore the ball sails on him a lot during scramble throws. This game is going to be VERY interesting to watch unfold. And I'm not sure I want my money on it..
I think SatNightFever's point was those "jump balls", whether he's instructed to throw those or not, have been a huge part of Michigan's offense. But I wouldn't "bank" on those being completed all season long. Michigan still has to play MSU, Illinois, Iowa, Nebraska, and Ohio State, all 5 of those teams have better defenses than anyone Michigan has faced this season. Michigan's WR's are average Big Ten WR's, some would even argue below average, they're not gonna be able to consistently win "jump balls" v.s. better defenses.
I hear what you're saying, point taken. They have been a big part of the offense, but at the same time, I think you chuck it if you think you can win the battle for the ball. If you don't think you can, then you don't.. and at that point, you find more creative ways to move the ball, something I feel they have done in some other games this year. And, I do agree with you, their WR's are average at best, but can still get open, catch the ball and run after.. They don't have Braylon Edwards or Plaxico Buress, but they are serviceable. Ask Notre Dame.
As for Drob's throwing skills, no he isn't the best, but awful? And, "not many worse than him.." Have you seen Bauserman play? Or "T-Magic" or Bolden from PSU? (or wherever he is going to transfer).. In my opinion, he's better that... The kid isn't Dan Persa, Cousins or Russel Wilson, but when the kid sets his feet he can be accurrate. He has made some flat out terrific throws this year (many in cruitial situations).
Sat Night... I will say, OSU looked much better v Nebraska, but alot of their offense came down to Miller breaking contain/pocket and scrambling down field. I'm not saying MSU's defense isn't good, I think they are. I'm just pointing out that statistical categories are overrated at this point in College football because of the competition up to this point. MSU did a great job of containing Miller. Containing Drob is a completely different story. If they can do that (and have 9 sacks against him) then many props to them...
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I hear what you're saying, point taken. They have been a big part of the offense, but at the same time, I think you chuck it if you think you can win the battle for the ball. If you don't think you can, then you don't.. and at that point, you find more creative ways to move the ball, something I feel they have done in some other games this year. And, I do agree with you, their WR's are average at best, but can still get open, catch the ball and run after.. They don't have Braylon Edwards or Plaxico Buress, but they are serviceable. Ask Notre Dame.
As for Drob's throwing skills, no he isn't the best, but awful? And, "not many worse than him.." Have you seen Bauserman play? Or "T-Magic" or Bolden from PSU? (or wherever he is going to transfer).. In my opinion, he's better that... The kid isn't Dan Persa, Cousins or Russel Wilson, but when the kid sets his feet he can be accurrate. He has made some flat out terrific throws this year (many in cruitial situations).
Sat Night... I will say, OSU looked much better v Nebraska, but alot of their offense came down to Miller breaking contain/pocket and scrambling down field. I'm not saying MSU's defense isn't good, I think they are. I'm just pointing out that statistical categories are overrated at this point in College football because of the competition up to this point. MSU did a great job of containing Miller. Containing Drob is a completely different story. If they can do that (and have 9 sacks against him) then many props to them...
Sat Night... I will say, OSU looked much better v Nebraska, but alot of their offense came down to Miller breaking contain/pocket and scrambling down field. I'm not saying MSU's defense isn't good, I think they are. I'm just pointing out that statistical categories are overrated at this point in College football because of the competition up to this point. MSU did a great job of containing Miller. Containing Drob is a completely different story. If they can do that (and have 9 sacks against him) then many props to them...
Fair enough, but I will say that Miller was unable to break containment and scramble against MSU because the DL was getting so much pressure and in the backfield in just about every play
I don't think MSU will do anything different than they did last year.. Denard struggled running and throwing the ball against Sparty and, in my opinion, the offense for UM was better last year than it is this year..
Also, while Denard got away throwing those deep balls against ND and others, MSU secondary is better than anything UM has seen this year.. it'll be interesting to watch.. if the first couple aren't complete or are INT's, what does Denard do? any pass he throws over 5 yards has just as much chance to end up being caught by the defender as it does the WR..
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Quote Originally Posted by rLp:
Sat Night... I will say, OSU looked much better v Nebraska, but alot of their offense came down to Miller breaking contain/pocket and scrambling down field. I'm not saying MSU's defense isn't good, I think they are. I'm just pointing out that statistical categories are overrated at this point in College football because of the competition up to this point. MSU did a great job of containing Miller. Containing Drob is a completely different story. If they can do that (and have 9 sacks against him) then many props to them...
Fair enough, but I will say that Miller was unable to break containment and scramble against MSU because the DL was getting so much pressure and in the backfield in just about every play
I don't think MSU will do anything different than they did last year.. Denard struggled running and throwing the ball against Sparty and, in my opinion, the offense for UM was better last year than it is this year..
Also, while Denard got away throwing those deep balls against ND and others, MSU secondary is better than anything UM has seen this year.. it'll be interesting to watch.. if the first couple aren't complete or are INT's, what does Denard do? any pass he throws over 5 yards has just as much chance to end up being caught by the defender as it does the WR..
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With you bro MST defense will give Shoelace fits my friend all day. Top 5 in pass and rush DEFENSE!!
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