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The funny thing is that THIS IS WHAT WINS GAMES, AND IN THIS CASE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS.
 
Nobody will ever mention this.
 
You practice for months, you have millions of dollars resting on results - and NOBODY realizes that the reason you lost is clock management.  Nobody will mention it, TT wont realize WHY THEY HAD A CHANCE TO WIN, and the media will never know why Texas lost.
 
The reason texas lost, is because they chose not to give themselves the best chance to win.  Period.  And it happens over and over and over and over and over.
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I still disagree. I think you have to score 1st and worry about the time you leave on the clock 2nd
 
Sometimes you have to trust your defense which actually played well in the 2ndhalf
( i only saw the 2nd half after watching the Devils and the Fight)
 
 
 
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Texas gave the game away....
 
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Quote Originally Posted by NJDevils:

I still disagree. I think you have to score 1st and worry about the time you leave on the clock 2nd
 
Sometimes you have to trust your defense which actually played well in the 2ndhalf
( i only saw the 2nd half after watching the Devils and the Fight)
 
 

Dude - you have to think outside of the box here.  The "turn it over to your defense" cliche is exactly what gets coaches in trouble and what lost TX the game tonight.

They had 2 scenarios.  You have to assign a probability to both and do the one that gives you the best chance to win.

Tell me how you would think that scenario B above is better than scenario A?

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You cang just tell your running back to go down at the one. Way to many opportunities for a fumbled snap, defensive stand, penalty, etc. UT was running the clock down in anticipation but you cant just have a player go down.
 
You score and then rely on your defense (which wasnt executed as a safety dropped a wide open int)
 
UT coached it just fine. Their special teams and defense just didnt execute at the end
 
 
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Vanzack, you act like this is tecmo bowl and you're playing your sucker friend.  you punch it in when you can and let your defense man up.  there was under 1:30 on the clock.  that was a huge comeback by Texas and punching that TD in SHOULD have been enough motivation for the defense to man up and secure the victory.  take it easy on me. i'm a big fan of yours and your posts. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by whereismyhat:

Van...GREAT DAY TODAY!!

Thx hat - BIG DAY IF RICE HOLDS ON.

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Van...You were the man today!!
 
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it's clear that most of these coaches (particularly these two coaches) can't think in terms of probabilities and cost/benefit in normal circumstances, let alone under pressure.  
 
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Quote Originally Posted by BJ_Penn1:

You cang just tell your running back to go down at the one. Way to many opportunities for a fumbled snap, defensive stand, penalty, etc. UT was running the clock down in anticipation but you cant just have a player go down.
 
You score and then rely on your defense (which wasnt executed as a safety dropped a wide open int)
 
UT coached it just fine. Their special teams and defense just didnt execute at the end
 

I will ask you to assign probabilities to the following:

A.  TT scoring at least a FG with 1 timeout and 1.29 left.

B.  You NOT scoring from the 1 yd line on 2 plays.

 

Then, I will ask you to explain how TX coaches didnt at least instruct their QB to take the play clock under 15 on 7 successive plays.  Thats over 1.29 if you add it up.

Please think.

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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

The funny thing is that THIS IS WHAT WINS GAMES, AND IN THIS CASE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS.
 
Nobody will ever mention this.
 
You practice for months, you have millions of dollars resting on results - and NOBODY realizes that the reason you lost is clock management.  Nobody will mention it, TT wont realize WHY THEY HAD A CHANCE TO WIN, and the media will never know why Texas lost.
 
The reason texas lost, is because they chose not to give themselves the best chance to win.  Period.  And it happens over and over and over and over and over.

Was saying the same things...It's beyond me how these coaches get paid MILLIONS of dollars to make fucking decisions that could cost you the National Championship. The really sad thing, like you said, it will never be mentioned.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Molsen:

Vanzack, you act like this is tecmo bowl and you're playing your sucker friend.  you punch it in when you can and let your defense man up.  there was under 1:30 on the clock.  that was a huge comeback by Texas and punching that TD in SHOULD have been enough motivation for the defense to man up and secure the victory.  take it easy on me. i'm a big fan of yours and your posts. 

Take my challenge.  Assign probabilities to situation A and B.

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Yes....Rice needs to get with it and close this game out
 
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

Dude - you have to think outside of the box here.  The "turn it over to your defense" cliche is exactly what gets coaches in trouble and what lost TX the game tonight.

They had 2 scenarios.  You have to assign a probability to both and do the one that gives you the best chance to win.

Tell me how you would think that scenario B above is better than scenario A?

Because things happen like turnovers and goal line stands .

 

I think the "turn it over to your defense" cliche would apply if say they had a 1 point lead already and then got super conservative and then punted the ball away with 1:29 left .

But in this situation i think you just have to play.

 

 
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All these coaches don't even think. They just want to get a TD as fast as possible. There was 1:50 left and Texas came running out to get into their formation with 30 seconds left on their playclock. They snapped it with 20 seconds still on the clock and I immediately posted in the in game thread why did Texas snap it so early? Those 20 seconds could have made the difference but these stupid ass coaches NEVER manage the clock correctly.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Molsen:

Vanzack, you act like this is tecmo bowl and you're playing your sucker friend.  you punch it in when you can and let your defense man up.  there was under 1:30 on the clock.  that was a huge comeback by Texas and punching that TD in SHOULD have been enough motivation for the defense to man up and secure the victory.  take it easy on me. i'm a big fan of yours and your posts. 

You're joking, right?
 
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The part of this thread I agree with is that they ddid not take enough time off of the play clock for each play.
 
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Analyze this shit all you want boys.  My Red Raiders came out on top.  This game ran on emotions and gave us all some great Saturday night entertainment! I know we can look back and say bad tiem management, and what was Mack thinking?  But I don't give a shit b/c my boys won in the end.  Even with Leach not going for two which had me scratching my head like crazy...  Oh well hope ya'll enjoyed an amazing game, I know I did.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by NJDevils:

The part of this thread I agree with is that they ddid not take enough time off of the play clock for each play.


totally agree.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by NJDevils:

Because things happen like turnovers and goal line stands .

 

I think the "turn it over to your defense" cliche would apply if say they had a 1 point lead already and then got super conservative and then punted the ball away with 1:29 left .

But in this situation i think you just have to play.

 

Come on NJ Devil, I know you better than that.

Im INCLUDING goal line stands in to my probabillity.

Take scenario A and give me a percentage, and take scenario B and give me a percentage.

I gave mine above.  I doubt you can make an argument that B is higher than A.

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Rice Wins...Van if I could buy you a drink right now I would....great day man
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Mike C.:

All these coaches don't even think. They just want to get a TD as fast as possible. There was 1:50 left and Texas came running out to get into their formation with 30 seconds left on their playclock. They snapped it with 20 seconds still on the clock and I immediately posted in the in game thread why did Texas snap it so early? Those 20 seconds could have made the difference but these stupid ass coaches NEVER manage the clock correctly.

Very sharp.

At the VERY LEAST, Mack Brown should be fired for NOT instructing his offense to run the clock down every snap to 1.  He had 2 timeouts!  They were at the opponent 20 with 3.35 left!

But they ran up to the line and snapped the ball on MANY plays.

Stupid.

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Quote Originally Posted by Mike C.:

All these coaches don't even think. They just want to get a TD as fast as possible. There was 1:50 left and Texas came running out to get into their formation with 30 seconds left on their playclock. They snapped it with 20 seconds still on the clock and I immediately posted in the in game thread why did Texas snap it so early? Those 20 seconds could have made the difference but these stupid ass coaches NEVER manage the clock correctly.

And BTW - no big deal - IT WAS ONLY THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP AT STAKE!!

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Quote Originally Posted by whereismyhat:

Rice Wins...Van if I could buy you a drink right now I would....great day man

Im too in to this debate.  I think I won a ton today.

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