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Away:  Miami [1-0 ATS]
Home:  Ohio State [1-0 ATS]

Game Time: 3:40 PM
Stadium: Ohio Stadium

Recent Meetings:
01/03/03 - OHIST 31 vs. MIAMI 24
08/29/99 - MIAMI 23 vs. OHIST 12

Team Leaders:

Miami:
Passing: Jacory Harris (210)
Rushing: Lamar Miller (65)
Receiving: Leonard Hankerson (115)

Ohio State:
Passing: Terrelle Pryor (247)
Rushing: Brandon Saine (103)
Receiving: Dane Sanzenbacher (113)

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Surprised there has been no discussion on this game yet, it is one of the 4 best match-ups of the weekend (UGA/SC at noon, FSU/OU and Miami/OSU at 3:30, and PSU/Bama at night.....I will have to wear the clicker out on the 2 3:30 games.  What a lineup!)  Really want to see some opinions from "balanced" posters because I have no emotional ties to this game and just cannot make my mind up.  I think either could win, so I guess I am leaning to the points,  but could use some input.
 
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Posting briefly for now. I see this as a win for the Buckeyes regardless of my affiliation, but this 9 pt spread has me surprised. I thought it would be about a TD. Not that OSU couldn't take this by 10+ in the shoe, just surprised the line didn't come out 9 and get bid up to 7.5, 8 or so.

The QB's are similar in that they are dangerous with the clear edge to Pryor, but I remember how well Miami played against Fla State last yr. I'm going conservative and including the Bucks in a ML parlay and a teaser or two, but hope it's not that close. If OSU forces turnovers they could win handily, but I'm not counting on that.

 
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Meant to say I was surprised this line didn't come out 7 and get bid up some. Coming out at 9 is sending a clear statement and it very well could be correct. Make no mistake, the Buckeyes will prevail in the gladiator horseshoe, for that I am willing to lay major .
 
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harris and pryor with go back and forth all day, close game either way, miami will cover the 9 pts ,
 
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Clear edge to Pryor?  Harris was a monster early last year before getting dinged up.  Pryor is a head case.
 
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I'm a Miami diehard so I'll try to be as unbiased as possible.  I'm praying for a Canes victory, and my hopes reside with the following.  

1.  Miami is better at every position than they were last year except TE...  It's obvious as to why with regard to QB and WR.  As for RB and OL, our starters seized their roles before last year ended.  My single position concern on O is RT, but it was last year too.  On D, our line has finally returned to the 10 headed monster it used to be.  Tons of injuries there last year.  We're good and experienced, but only 3 or 4 deep at LB.  If one of them goes down, take notice.  In the secondary, we return an All-American Brandon at one corner, a 3 year starter opposite him, and have a star in the making with safety Vaughn Telemaque.  Our other safety Ray Ray Armstrong worries me a little.  He's a 5 star Soph who played a lot last year, will be great eventually, but may not be ready.

2.  Miami is healthy.  So many injuries last year it was ridiculous, and at key positions.  We had d-lineman and o-lineman playing out of position, lost 2 Sophs who were Frosh All-Americans by midseason, and of course Jacory hurt the thumb on his throwing hand.  Some said the surgery to repair ligaments hadn't healed properly and that he would have to alter his throwing motion, but after watching him throw vs FAMU, he's 100%.  And so is everyone else.  

3.  Miami is grown up.  The JRs were the #1 recruiting class, the SRs were Shannon's 1st class, and all of them have been playing since they were pups.  Very few underclassmen will play a part for Miami, and that hasn't been the case for a long time.  Guys like WR Leonard Hankerson and DE Allen Bailey would've jumped to the draft in other years, but this crew knows they could do something special.  

4.  Continuity and upgrade in the staff.  This is the 1st year Shannon retains both his OC and DC.  When you think about our offense performing so well in it's first season in the system, imagine what it can do in it's second.  They showed a little bit of a no huddle, quick strike offense they'll employ if the line has trouble protecting Jacory.     

5.  Special Teams.  Our k/p Matt Bosher is Groza material.  Ohio State's specialists haven't been in this sort of game yet.  

6.  Lamar Miller.  Maybe I'm being overzealous about this kid, he's just a RS Frosh, but I haven't seen wheels as fast as his since Devin Hester.  He'll return kicks, but he's also a skilled RB who will line up in the slot often and get multiple designed touches coming off the bench.  All the other Canes are amazed at the next gear he possesses.  Miller could be the best kept secret in the country.
 
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This will be interesting. If the weather stays clear, I think we could have a shoot out. I might take the Canes & the points. 1st thoughts.

 
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i like the canes with the points,also
 
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going to be a great game but if i had to pick i like ohio to win by field goal.miami should cover.im not puttin money on a winner here though.im takin the over both offenses explosive and very good.pryor n harris in shootout is rite buddy.take the over bet ur house on it lol

 
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im leaning towards playin the canes on this one...i got'em locked in at +10 but im afraid to bet high on this one cuz of how bad they screwed me last year when i bet the farm playin Vtech and got it elbow deep. little help here please? i see it as a 3pt win either way but does everyone else agree miami is a good bet?
 
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Ohio St will run this overrated Canes team out of the horseshoe.  Big play on the buckeyes here.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by rjmccool:

I'm a Miami diehard so I'll try to be as unbiased as possible.  I'm praying for a Canes victory, and my hopes reside with the following.  

1.  Miami is better at every position than they were last year except TE...  It's obvious as to why with regard to QB and WR.  As for RB and OL, our starters seized their roles before last year ended.  My single position concern on O is RT, but it was last year too.  On D, our line has finally returned to the 10 headed monster it used to be.  Tons of injuries there last year.  We're good and experienced, but only 3 or 4 deep at LB.  If one of them goes down, take notice.  In the secondary, we return an All-American Brandon at one corner, a 3 year starter opposite him, and have a star in the making with safety Vaughn Telemaque.  Our other safety Ray Ray Armstrong worries me a little.  He's a 5 star Soph who played a lot last year, will be great eventually, but may not be ready.

2.  Miami is healthy.  So many injuries last year it was ridiculous, and at key positions.  We had d-lineman and o-lineman playing out of position, lost 2 Sophs who were Frosh All-Americans by midseason, and of course Jacory hurt the thumb on his throwing hand.  Some said the surgery to repair ligaments hadn't healed properly and that he would have to alter his throwing motion, but after watching him throw vs FAMU, he's 100%.  And so is everyone else.  

3.  Miami is grown up.  The JRs were the #1 recruiting class, the SRs were Shannon's 1st class, and all of them have been playing since they were pups.  Very few underclassmen will play a part for Miami, and that hasn't been the case for a long time.  Guys like WR Leonard Hankerson and DE Allen Bailey would've jumped to the draft in other years, but this crew knows they could do something special.  

4.  Continuity and upgrade in the staff.  This is the 1st year Shannon retains both his OC and DC.  When you think about our offense performing so well in it's first season in the system, imagine what it can do in it's second.  They showed a little bit of a no huddle, quick strike offense they'll employ if the line has trouble protecting Jacory.     

5.  Special Teams.  Our k/p Matt Bosher is Groza material.  Ohio State's specialists haven't been in this sort of game yet.  

6.  Lamar Miller.  Maybe I'm being overzealous about this kid, he's just a RS Frosh, but I haven't seen wheels as fast as his since Devin Hester.  He'll return kicks, but he's also a skilled RB who will line up in the slot often and get multiple designed touches coming off the bench.  All the other Canes are amazed at the next gear he possesses.  Miller could be the best kept secret in the country.


Dude, you were nothing but biased. All you did was talk about how much better Miami is from last year. And what do you mean "OUR", are you on the coaching staff?? Get over yourself and "YOUR" canes. Buckeyes will win this game, covering the 9 is another question.
 
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The Buckeyes are playing at home where early on the have had trouble beating the likes of Navy. The last two years they have lost to both Texas and USC @ home. I expected this line to be closer to 5-7 points in favor of the Buckeyes, however, the line opened at 10 and everyone and their brother jumped on it and the line is down to 8.

What I have learned over the last several years of gambling college football is that the line makers never give us gifts, but they do need a few weeks before the start adjusting lines and making it more difficult to pick a winner. IMO the Buckeyes will come out hard and fast and surprise everyone with a double digit win. I would wait a day or two and see if the line keeps coming down. Even though I like the Bucks to win by 10-13...I'd like to grab the line at 6.5 or 7.

Ill post my final play Saturday morning. Best of luck!
 
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Miami has athletes all over the field.  + 9 is a slap in the face.  I was figuring OSU -6 or -7 at the most.  This line will certainly come down before kickoff.

Remember that the # 2 spot in the polls has been perilous over the past few years .  I'm thinking OSU wins a close game, but a Hurricane upset would not surprise me at all.  I'm taking the + 9, and if I lose then I guess Ohio State is that damned good.
 
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All I know is recently the Buckeyes cannot match with the speed that the ACC and SEC have.  IMO Pryor is over rated, Purdue, of all defense superior (cough, cough lol) frustrated Pryor once they shutdown the running game.  Of course, I am basing on history, but I do not seen any increase speed.  Speed Kills.  Going Miami, may even play the Miami moneyline.  If Miami ups out early, it could be a long day Pryor...........Big Game early for the Buckeyes, like bvpicks mentioned the Texas and USC, OSU needs to make a statement early.  I do not see this happenning.

 

BOL to all wagers...............Miami and the point.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by thinicesports:

Miami has athletes all over the field.  + 9 is a slap in the face.  I was figuring OSU -6 or -7 at the most.  This line will certainly come down before kickoff.

Remember that the # 2 spot in the polls has been perilous over the past few years .  I'm thinking OSU wins a close game, but a Hurricane upset would not surprise me at all.  I'm taking the + 9, and if I lose then I guess Ohio State is that damned good.

This is one thing that always bothers me when people talk about OSU.  They refer to the other teams as having way more speed or athletes when in the last ten years OSU's WR and secondary have been drafted as high or higher than all the big name schools.  OSU does not lose to fast teams that often, they lose to teams that are faster than them on the defensive and offensive line.  (Miami will have no line advantage in this game as OSU advantage against Miami's offensive line and I call a push when Miami d line goes against Phill Steele's #3 offensive line in country.)

Buckeyes big here

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Insight:

This is one thing that always bothers me when people talk about OSU.  They refer to the other teams as having way more speed or athletes when in the last ten years OSU's WR and secondary have been drafted as high or higher than all the big name schools.  OSU does not lose to fast teams that often, they lose to teams that are faster than them on the defensive and offensive line.  (Miami will have no line advantage in this game as OSU advantage against Miami's offensive line and I call a push when Miami d line goes against Phill Steele's #3 offensive line in country.)

Buckeyes big here



My point isn't that OSU doesn't have athletes.  Of course they do.  My point is that Miami has a bunch also.  Nothing wrong with you taking the Buckeyes big.  But I hope that's a money line bet.  OSU ought to win, but this is going to be a close game.  I'm in at + 9, and I like my chances.
 
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Just too many points for OSU to give a quality, OOC team.  They may win a close one at home, but I don't see them covering this line.  Time for Shannon to win a few big ones too, he has done a nice job cleaning up a mess, but they fell back down the stretch last year.  2010 may the year for Miami to get back among the elite, Saturday's game may be bigger for them than OSU.  I expect a close contest regardless of who wins. 

Taking a medium (3X) position on Miami and the points.  Also favoring an Over on the O/U.  The 46 points looks low for these two offenses.

 
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Canes are better or even in a lot of the segment matchups.  The two that scare me a little are Coaching (Shannon still in over his head) and QB play.  WAY too much love for Jacory. He is a talent, but also a first class knucklehead, and will most assuredly throw a crucial pick in this game.
OSU will probably win this game but the Sweater vest is too conservative so the number scares me a little.  If I had to pick, I would take Miami plus 9.  I believe it will be 4 or 5 point diff.
 
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I leaning to the under, OSU  plays solid D for the most part, big game and I think both teams will be conservative early
 
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The Canes can come into the Shoe and play......no question about that.  OSU has struggled with big non-conference games over the last half decade or so.  Stacked Texas and USC teams however are not a Canes team that absolutely has to have J Harris play very well to be in the big games!!!  If he plays well and gets the ball downfield and doesn't turn it over, Miami certainly could come in and win this game.  They have speed out the ying yang and a defensive front that might be their best in the last 6-7 years.  But that QB has shit the bed in big games and cost them.  He has also played lights out in a few big games and brought home the win. 

I guess I like the points, but I will probably stay away from this one and just watch.  I like FSU and ND better for the 3:30 time slot!
 
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Good point Irish. 

OSU should have beat that loaded Texas team that won it all.  This Miami team is athletic and fast, but also soft and has a propensity to retreat once punched in the mouth.  They don't play well on the road or when they are down. 

They don't have many weasknesses defensively, but for some reason- maybe they overpursue or just are small- they are average against the run.  I listened to Charles Davis from CBS Sports on the Paul Finebaum show the other day.  He said it best.  He believes most of the country has no idea how good of a running attack OSU has and how much they will exploit Miami's defense. 

 
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Look for Ohio State to win this game in a big way.
 
 
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4 OR 5 POINT DIFF?  I think you meant 14 or 15, right?

Whatever yer smokin' , can I have some?

Buckeyes roll.....

Quote Originally Posted by Tatals17:

Canes are better or even in a lot of the segment matchups.  The two that scare me a little are Coaching (Shannon still in over his head) and QB play.  WAY too much love for Jacory. He is a talent, but also a first class knucklehead, and will most assuredly throw a crucial pick in this game.

OSU will probably win this game but the Sweater vest is too conservative so the number scares me a little.  If I had to pick, I would take Miami plus 9.  I believe it will be 4 or 5 point diff.
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