Your argument is based on two false choices. Why must bad guys have guns? How do they get them? Magically appear, or do they steal them, buy them from law abiding citizens, or even purchase them legally like this sick prick attempted to do last week before taking his mothers. If law abiding citizens didn't own them, or they weren't sold where do the bad guys get them?
And betcity...you're going to talk to me about forms of gov't from Croatia? Really? I didn't say we should collect them, please re read the post. And it isn't a pre-text. People die every day by gun fire. Some of us are sick of it and want it to end. I for one am willing to have the laws changed to help that end come about.
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Your argument is based on two false choices. Why must bad guys have guns? How do they get them? Magically appear, or do they steal them, buy them from law abiding citizens, or even purchase them legally like this sick prick attempted to do last week before taking his mothers. If law abiding citizens didn't own them, or they weren't sold where do the bad guys get them?
And betcity...you're going to talk to me about forms of gov't from Croatia? Really? I didn't say we should collect them, please re read the post. And it isn't a pre-text. People die every day by gun fire. Some of us are sick of it and want it to end. I for one am willing to have the laws changed to help that end come about.
Your argument is based on two false choices. Why must bad guys have guns? How do they get them? Magically appear, or do they steal them, buy them from law abiding citizens, or even purchase them legally like this sick prick attempted to do last week before taking his mothers. If law abiding citizens didn't own them, or they weren't sold where do the bad guys get them?
And betcity...you're going to talk to me about forms of gov't from Croatia? Really? I didn't say we should collect them, please re read the post. And it isn't a pre-text. People die every day by gun fire. Some of us are sick of it and want it to end. I for one am willing to have the laws changed to help that end come about.
Seriously? Okay, then where do all the drugs on our streets come from? They're not bought legally, but I can still find whatever I want on the streets. Are you that naive that a criminal won't be able to get their hands on one if needed?
Also, that's exactly what you are using this tragedy as. It's an isolated event simple as that. This is the only time you hear about people wanting to take guns away from citizens is when a tragedy has just occured. Where were you 6 months ago pushing your agenda?A year ago?5 years ago?
It just makes no god damn sense to take away the rights of the majority because of a few nutjobs. This is the very thing that our country was founded on. Now I will make a few concessions there really is no need for the common citizens to have militiary grade equipment, but to take away the rest you might as well piss on the constitution and ask the queen of England to accept us back.
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Quote Originally Posted by TheBaron:
Your argument is based on two false choices. Why must bad guys have guns? How do they get them? Magically appear, or do they steal them, buy them from law abiding citizens, or even purchase them legally like this sick prick attempted to do last week before taking his mothers. If law abiding citizens didn't own them, or they weren't sold where do the bad guys get them?
And betcity...you're going to talk to me about forms of gov't from Croatia? Really? I didn't say we should collect them, please re read the post. And it isn't a pre-text. People die every day by gun fire. Some of us are sick of it and want it to end. I for one am willing to have the laws changed to help that end come about.
Seriously? Okay, then where do all the drugs on our streets come from? They're not bought legally, but I can still find whatever I want on the streets. Are you that naive that a criminal won't be able to get their hands on one if needed?
Also, that's exactly what you are using this tragedy as. It's an isolated event simple as that. This is the only time you hear about people wanting to take guns away from citizens is when a tragedy has just occured. Where were you 6 months ago pushing your agenda?A year ago?5 years ago?
It just makes no god damn sense to take away the rights of the majority because of a few nutjobs. This is the very thing that our country was founded on. Now I will make a few concessions there really is no need for the common citizens to have militiary grade equipment, but to take away the rest you might as well piss on the constitution and ask the queen of England to accept us back.
inncocent people die in auto accidents every day.... so are we going to ban cars?
thousands of people died in the twin towers, so are we going to ban tall buildings?
What happened to those children is sickening, but calling for a ban on firearms is not going to stop these nut jobs from carrying out their sick, twisted plans... First off too many guns are readily available, but even if they couldn't get their hands on a gun, they would simply use some other form of a weapon, bomb, knives, swords, axes, hatchets, bow and arrows, baseball bats, etc... so what would we do then? ban all of those things as well...
Instead of looking at how many innocent people have died from firearms, look at how many lives have been saved due to firearms...
I am a firm believer in our 2nd ammendment, and I have a small arsenal of guns myself.... I have never as much as even pointed a gun at someone, but if there is ever a reason, I will be well prepared to protect my family, which is my duty as a husband and dad.
You guys do realize that these type of incidents would even become more frequent, if a firearms ban was put in place.
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inncocent people die in auto accidents every day.... so are we going to ban cars?
thousands of people died in the twin towers, so are we going to ban tall buildings?
What happened to those children is sickening, but calling for a ban on firearms is not going to stop these nut jobs from carrying out their sick, twisted plans... First off too many guns are readily available, but even if they couldn't get their hands on a gun, they would simply use some other form of a weapon, bomb, knives, swords, axes, hatchets, bow and arrows, baseball bats, etc... so what would we do then? ban all of those things as well...
Instead of looking at how many innocent people have died from firearms, look at how many lives have been saved due to firearms...
I am a firm believer in our 2nd ammendment, and I have a small arsenal of guns myself.... I have never as much as even pointed a gun at someone, but if there is ever a reason, I will be well prepared to protect my family, which is my duty as a husband and dad.
You guys do realize that these type of incidents would even become more frequent, if a firearms ban was put in place.
I see both sides to the argument. I personally have zero interest in guns. I wouldn't care one bit if they were all banned. But sure, I would rather have a gun in my hand if someone broke into my house. (Although, come on people, stop acting like you're all Jason Bourne, most of you would try to protect your families but end up probably blowing your own nuts off instead)
It's a tough subject with lots of moving parts but my question is this: If you're a gun lover, you own 20 guns, you clean them, store them, handle them properly and would never even want to use them on a human being, but you send your child to school one day and then learn that half her head was blown off by some psycho with a gun...how can you love guns after that?
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I see both sides to the argument. I personally have zero interest in guns. I wouldn't care one bit if they were all banned. But sure, I would rather have a gun in my hand if someone broke into my house. (Although, come on people, stop acting like you're all Jason Bourne, most of you would try to protect your families but end up probably blowing your own nuts off instead)
It's a tough subject with lots of moving parts but my question is this: If you're a gun lover, you own 20 guns, you clean them, store them, handle them properly and would never even want to use them on a human being, but you send your child to school one day and then learn that half her head was blown off by some psycho with a gun...how can you love guns after that?
What does it matter where i live? Judge me from what i am, not where i come from. Actually, since i'm not from the US, it makes me more unbias since i don't have a dog in this fight.
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What does it matter where i live? Judge me from what i am, not where i come from. Actually, since i'm not from the US, it makes me more unbias since i don't have a dog in this fight.
Your argument is based on two false choices. Why must bad guys have guns? How do they get them? Magically appear, or do they steal them, buy them from law abiding citizens, or even purchase them legally like this sick prick attempted to do last week before taking his mothers. If law abiding citizens didn't own them, or they weren't sold where do the bad guys get them?
And betcity...you're going to talk to me about forms of gov't from Croatia? Really? I didn't say we should collect them, please re read the post. And it isn't a pre-text. People die every day by gun fire. Some of us are sick of it and want it to end. I for one am willing to have the laws changed to help that end come about.
Some criminals having guns is a “false choice”?
You’re asking me how people could get something if it’s illegal? Seriously? I really hope for your sake you’re joking.
Since you didn’t answer the question the first time, I’ll ask you again:
You said the government should ban guns. There are over 300 million guns in America.How exactly do you propose the government goes about implementing and enforcing that ban?
“People die every day by gun fire. Some of us are sick of it and want it to end.”
So in order to make the country safer we should make it so only criminals have guns and law-abiding citizens are defenseless.Brilliant.
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Quote Originally Posted by TheBaron:
Your argument is based on two false choices. Why must bad guys have guns? How do they get them? Magically appear, or do they steal them, buy them from law abiding citizens, or even purchase them legally like this sick prick attempted to do last week before taking his mothers. If law abiding citizens didn't own them, or they weren't sold where do the bad guys get them?
And betcity...you're going to talk to me about forms of gov't from Croatia? Really? I didn't say we should collect them, please re read the post. And it isn't a pre-text. People die every day by gun fire. Some of us are sick of it and want it to end. I for one am willing to have the laws changed to help that end come about.
Some criminals having guns is a “false choice”?
You’re asking me how people could get something if it’s illegal? Seriously? I really hope for your sake you’re joking.
Since you didn’t answer the question the first time, I’ll ask you again:
You said the government should ban guns. There are over 300 million guns in America.How exactly do you propose the government goes about implementing and enforcing that ban?
“People die every day by gun fire. Some of us are sick of it and want it to end.”
So in order to make the country safer we should make it so only criminals have guns and law-abiding citizens are defenseless.Brilliant.
I see both sides to the argument. I personally have zero interest in guns. I wouldn't care one bit if they were all banned. But sure, I would rather have a gun in my hand if someone broke into my house. (Although, come on people, stop acting like you're all Jason Bourne, most of you would try to protect your families but end up probably blowing your own nuts off instead)
It's a tough subject with lots of moving parts but my question is this: If you're a gun lover, you own 20 guns, you clean them, store them, handle them properly and would never even want to use them on a human being, but you send your child to school one day and then learn that half her head was blown off by some psycho with a gun...how can you love guns after that?
It cracks me up when anti-2A people claim that people who own guns think they are Dirty Harry or Jason Bourne.No, it’s just that we would actually like to have a fighting chance if someone with a gun means to do us or our families harm rather than lay in the fetal position while we wait 5+ minutes for the police to show up and save our families because we couldn’t do it ourselves.
“If you're a gun lover, you own 20 guns, you clean them, store them, handle them properly and would never even want to use them on a human being, but you send your child to school one day and then learn that half her head was blown off by some psycho with a gun...how can you love guns after that?”
So I should love or hate inanimate objects based on what a psycho does with them?
What about if a psycho ran over a little girl with his car?Should I then hate cars?
What about if a dumbass drank too much and caused the death of a little girl?Should I then hate beer?
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Quote Originally Posted by AgentCooper:
I see both sides to the argument. I personally have zero interest in guns. I wouldn't care one bit if they were all banned. But sure, I would rather have a gun in my hand if someone broke into my house. (Although, come on people, stop acting like you're all Jason Bourne, most of you would try to protect your families but end up probably blowing your own nuts off instead)
It's a tough subject with lots of moving parts but my question is this: If you're a gun lover, you own 20 guns, you clean them, store them, handle them properly and would never even want to use them on a human being, but you send your child to school one day and then learn that half her head was blown off by some psycho with a gun...how can you love guns after that?
It cracks me up when anti-2A people claim that people who own guns think they are Dirty Harry or Jason Bourne.No, it’s just that we would actually like to have a fighting chance if someone with a gun means to do us or our families harm rather than lay in the fetal position while we wait 5+ minutes for the police to show up and save our families because we couldn’t do it ourselves.
“If you're a gun lover, you own 20 guns, you clean them, store them, handle them properly and would never even want to use them on a human being, but you send your child to school one day and then learn that half her head was blown off by some psycho with a gun...how can you love guns after that?”
So I should love or hate inanimate objects based on what a psycho does with them?
What about if a psycho ran over a little girl with his car?Should I then hate cars?
What about if a dumbass drank too much and caused the death of a little girl?Should I then hate beer?
Your argument is based on two false choices. Why must bad guys have guns? How do they get them? Magically appear, or do they steal them, buy them from law abiding citizens, or even purchase them legally like this sick prick attempted to do last week before taking his mothers. If law abiding citizens didn't own them, or they weren't sold where do the bad guys get them?
And betcity...you're going to talk to me about forms of gov't from Croatia? Really? I didn't say we should collect them, please re read the post. And it isn't a pre-text. People die every day by gun fire. Some of us are sick of it and want it to end. I for one am willing to have the laws changed to help that end come about.
You should never post again. What you typed is either pure lunacy or the feeble attempt of a 5th grader......
May God have mercy on your soul.
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Quote Originally Posted by TheBaron:
Your argument is based on two false choices. Why must bad guys have guns? How do they get them? Magically appear, or do they steal them, buy them from law abiding citizens, or even purchase them legally like this sick prick attempted to do last week before taking his mothers. If law abiding citizens didn't own them, or they weren't sold where do the bad guys get them?
And betcity...you're going to talk to me about forms of gov't from Croatia? Really? I didn't say we should collect them, please re read the post. And it isn't a pre-text. People die every day by gun fire. Some of us are sick of it and want it to end. I for one am willing to have the laws changed to help that end come about.
You should never post again. What you typed is either pure lunacy or the feeble attempt of a 5th grader......
Sorry train, still going post. But thank you for the sincere religious blessing!
You know the second amendment was passed at a time when folks had a fear of the gov't taking over. Further they had musket type guns that were one shot and reload. That we're kept in the town armory, not in their home. Visit Williamsburg, there is a whole exhibit. Now if the govt wanted to take over, your gun will do absolutely nothing against the advanced weapons of our govt. good luck shooting the drone that is bombing your a$$. So, I guess I am not anti-2a, just would like it to be more like it was intended.
Not sure how to get at the gun ban. I guess you could collect from all registered hand gun and auscultation rifle owners, but then you are correct only criminals would have them. Even so, gun crime would go down. Take the latest example, he would not have been able to take his mothers guns, she wouldn't have had any.
Betcity, I apologize. I guess I just was like why do you even weigh in on this given it really is an American voter issue, you don't get a vote. And you guys just went through a civil was, where mass graves were discovered, an epidemic of rapes, and such no? It seemed strange that with issues at home you were weighing in on ours here.
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Sorry train, still going post. But thank you for the sincere religious blessing!
You know the second amendment was passed at a time when folks had a fear of the gov't taking over. Further they had musket type guns that were one shot and reload. That we're kept in the town armory, not in their home. Visit Williamsburg, there is a whole exhibit. Now if the govt wanted to take over, your gun will do absolutely nothing against the advanced weapons of our govt. good luck shooting the drone that is bombing your a$$. So, I guess I am not anti-2a, just would like it to be more like it was intended.
Not sure how to get at the gun ban. I guess you could collect from all registered hand gun and auscultation rifle owners, but then you are correct only criminals would have them. Even so, gun crime would go down. Take the latest example, he would not have been able to take his mothers guns, she wouldn't have had any.
Betcity, I apologize. I guess I just was like why do you even weigh in on this given it really is an American voter issue, you don't get a vote. And you guys just went through a civil was, where mass graves were discovered, an epidemic of rapes, and such no? It seemed strange that with issues at home you were weighing in on ours here.
PS. The drug smuggling example is not a good one in my opinion. Drugs are grown Guns are manufactured. Perhaps I am naive but I think that makes a difference.
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PS. The drug smuggling example is not a good one in my opinion. Drugs are grown Guns are manufactured. Perhaps I am naive but I think that makes a difference.
Sorry train, still going post. But thank you for the sincere religious blessing!
You know the second amendment was passed at a time when folks had a fear of the gov't taking over. Further they had musket type guns that were one shot and reload. That we're kept in the town armory, not in their home. Visit Williamsburg, there is a whole exhibit. Now if the govt wanted to take over, your gun will do absolutely nothing against the advanced weapons of our govt. good luck shooting the drone that is bombing your a$$. So, I guess I am not anti-2a, just would like it to be more like it was intended.
Not sure how to get at the gun ban. I guess you could collect from all registered hand gun and auscultation rifle owners, but then you are correct only criminals would have them. Even so, gun crime would go down. Take the latest example, he would not have been able to take his mothers guns, she wouldn't have had any.
Betcity, I apologize. I guess I just was like why do you even weigh in on this given it really is an American voter issue, you don't get a vote. And you guys just went through a civil was, where mass graves were discovered, an epidemic of rapes, and such no? It seemed strange that with issues at home you were weighing in on ours here.
I disagree... If the guns were taken out of the law abiding citizens hands... gun violence, and these senseless killings would be more frequent... Instead of focusing on how many innocent people have died due to guns, stop and think about how many lives have been saved....
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Quote Originally Posted by TheBaron:
Sorry train, still going post. But thank you for the sincere religious blessing!
You know the second amendment was passed at a time when folks had a fear of the gov't taking over. Further they had musket type guns that were one shot and reload. That we're kept in the town armory, not in their home. Visit Williamsburg, there is a whole exhibit. Now if the govt wanted to take over, your gun will do absolutely nothing against the advanced weapons of our govt. good luck shooting the drone that is bombing your a$$. So, I guess I am not anti-2a, just would like it to be more like it was intended.
Not sure how to get at the gun ban. I guess you could collect from all registered hand gun and auscultation rifle owners, but then you are correct only criminals would have them. Even so, gun crime would go down. Take the latest example, he would not have been able to take his mothers guns, she wouldn't have had any.
Betcity, I apologize. I guess I just was like why do you even weigh in on this given it really is an American voter issue, you don't get a vote. And you guys just went through a civil was, where mass graves were discovered, an epidemic of rapes, and such no? It seemed strange that with issues at home you were weighing in on ours here.
I disagree... If the guns were taken out of the law abiding citizens hands... gun violence, and these senseless killings would be more frequent... Instead of focusing on how many innocent people have died due to guns, stop and think about how many lives have been saved....
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