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Posted: #51

Quote Originally Posted by bill702:

Ignorance like this makes me embarrassed to be an American half the time. 

No need to be embarrassed he is probably right i should like i said in one of my posts stay the hell out of American politics.  I guess what i was hoping to see was a change thinking as most people to that a change would be for the better or at least a new voice.  I will tell you one thing i only hope for the best for your country and a full recovery.

 
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it wasn't the people who voted Obama back in it was the establishment.  it is every time there.s an election the establishment decides who's going to be president. election fraud always takes over and will never really know if Romney had the electoral votes to get in because we don't choose who are president is. our right too vote is an illusion. people who don't get this need to wake up and smell the coffee. the establishment chose Obama because he's the biggest puppet out there.
 
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Of course the dynamics of the two major political parties have changed over 150 years.

That means nothing Slovak, not sure why you think it does. Does the platform of 100 years ago matter to the party today?

Apparently you think so.

 
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Posted: #54

Quote Originally Posted by Slovak:

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 
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Liberals support Womens rights to Abortion and Gay rights to marriage. Basic human freedoms that Conservatives want to take away.

If Conservatives want to win 2016. They have to nominate a Moderate.
 
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Posted: #56
Quote Originally Posted by elsewhere:

you are clearly clueless
 
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Quote Originally Posted by lookingtowin:

But why would you vote back in a President that has taken you a gazillion dollars into debt and virtually sold your country to the communist country of  China.  Just wondering.

As far as us being smart, electing Bush twice should have tipped you off.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:



You do need a detox.
First of all the housing market took off with Bush in office becaue of Clintons admin. Affordable housing for everyone is what I recall CLinton stating. He made the banks loosen the requirements to purchase a home. Lowering credit scores (for people who do not pay back any debts, hence the lower score) allowed people to buy homes in a rapid approach. Bush actually tried to tighten the requirements from the banks but was never allowed. WHy? Because everyone was making money selling homes so why stop a good thing? You have no clue about the housing market. You are another rat that likes to blame others.
The housing market has not showed SIGNIFICANT gains, you are crazy if you believe that. You can find foreclosed and short sales all over the place. You have dems out there stealing from these homes so people have even more money they need to put back into the homes to fix them. Until the forecloses are gone the market will not rebound.

This post is just about all wrong.

Everyone knows the housing market has shown significant gains. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Slovak:

I don't consider myself a Republican or Democrat, I judge a man by his character and background. i voted for Obama in 2008 and Romney this past Tuesday.

Now getting to the stupid American part, I feel the real issue is the fact that most of the younger Black generation is really clueless as to their history. All they know is their ancestors were done wrong by the white man and forced into slavery.

What these young blacks(and many young whites) don't realize is that the Democrats were the main slave owners and formed the Ku Klux Klan. I have talked to numerous people over the years that think the Republicans were behind slavery and that is why Minorities favor the Democratic race.

It is also shocking to find out that many people think that Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King Jr were Democrats.

I really haven't discussed politics much here until the recent election, but it has always seemed to me that the Democrats want to keep the minorities poor in order to keep them where they want them, much like they did during slavery, while the Republicans want the minorities to improve and better themselves.

Yet the younger Blacks came out in droves to vote for the Democrat Obama, who is only planning on keeping them right where they are.

I think Republicans are equally sneaky with some of their tactics as well, but not in a way to control a race.

Am I wrong in my thinking?

Yeah, you're wrong. 

Lincoln and King would be Dems today. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

People stop blaming Bush for everything. You claim Obama inhearated these 2 wars and that is the reason for the massive amount of US debt. Did you not notice the first war started in the early 2000s and the debt never skyrockets like it is currently. SO how is that Bushs fault? He entered the wars and kept debt in check. While it still rose it didn't rise like it is currently. In case you forgot Obama is the one who keeps raising the debt ceiling and keeps asking for more money to give to people who don't give back. Look up how many governemnt assistanc programs have been created since Obama took office. There are over 80 welfare programs that are running currently. You wonder where the debt is going? Are these the people we want to give our fortunes to? Are they going to repay that debt, or are they going to ask for more? Serisouly ask yourself that question.

The 2 biggest contributors to the debt is the Bush tax cuts and the 2 wars. 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by bill702:

So he is absolved for not doing anything to fix the problem or absolved for making it worse?
Yes why has he and he alone not fixed our problems.I mean after all the houses and their near single digit favorability ratings have really been a big help.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by michaelpaul1:

REJOICE WELFARE RECIEPENTS...

..... and seniors....middle class....students.....women....vets.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Slovak:

Well, the Democrats kept(and wanted) to keep the slaves poor 150 years ago and apparently they want to continue to do that even here in the year 2012 by giving them just enough to keep them happy, but they are holding them back from improving their lives. It just doesn't seem quite right.

This is just how it appears to me. I know many guys here label me as this huge racist/bigot because of my stance on criminals, but I am being quite honest, there is nothing that makes me happier than see than a young black man/woman who makes something of themselves in this country.

You say the Dems kept the slaves poor 150 years ago as if the Repubs were taking care of them ... 

And why are you comparing the way they treat blacks today to 150 years ago? 

Holding them back from improving their lives ... ??

Nothing makes you happier ... 
 
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This country dumbs down the public with Paris Hilton shows, alcohol, and pharmaceuticals to the point where many people don't know which end is up. Ask an American what the NDAA is. Ask him if we live in a republic or a democracy. Ask him who signed the Constitution of the United States of America. Nobody knows these things, and most of the time, they don't care. And this is exactly what the government wants. They don't want people to be critical thinkers.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:


The 2 biggest contributors to the debt is the Bush tax cuts and the 2 wars. 



Really? Prove it. Show me where social programs and welfare cost less then National defense. It will be impossible to find exact figures of social programs because THERE ARE TOO MANY and they keep adding more. You pay a military man and they pay the government back. You pay welfare and they take and keep and do not pay back. How many people get off welfare and better their lives? How many people stay on welfare and just want more?

Even if you were to tax the rich more, you wouldn't come close to putting a dent in the national debt. Just because you hear a tax cut doesn't mean the nation is losing money. That money is being cycled into ways for the government to collect and others to gain from.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:



Really? Prove it. Show me where social programs and welfare cost less then National defense. It will be impossible to find exact figures of social programs because THERE ARE TOO MANY and they keep adding more. You pay a military man and they pay the government back. You pay welfare and they take and keep and do not pay back. How many people get off welfare and better their lives? How many people stay on welfare and just want more?

Even if you were to tax the rich more, you wouldn't come close to putting a dent in the national debt. Just because you hear a tax cut doesn't mean the nation is losing money. That money is being cycled into ways for the government to collect and others to gain from.
Your post is quite confusing. People on welfare and "entitlements' dont put that money away, never to be seen again.They buy goods and pay taxes with that money. Do you know what the average welfare check amount is? Or to whom most of those checks are sent to? I'm with you that there are many many cheats of the system, but i believe there are many many many more good honest people on these programs that need help to get their lives in order.I'll leave the bean counting to those who are proficient at it.
 
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The BIGGEST contributor, bar none, to the national debt is corporate welfare.

"Why is it if you take advantage of a tax break as a corporation you're a smart businessman, but if you take advantage of a tax break as a person you're a moocher?"
~~~~~Jon Stewart

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This shit runs in cycles.

We take the times we live in way too serious.

Bush was Prez during 9/11 and Obama is the first black Prez...If it weren't for those two facts. those dudes would barely make the footnotes of history.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:



The BIGGEST contributor, bar none, to the national debt is corporate welfare.

"Why is it if you take advantage of a tax break as a corporation you're a smart businessman, but if you take advantage of a tax break as a person you're a moocher?"
~~~~~Jon Stewart



one is successful and smart, the other not so much..

but no one calls anyone a moocher for taking advantage of a tax break, unless you consider being so unsuccessful as to not pay taxes in the first place a 'tax break'
 
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Quote Originally Posted by williamwallace:



one is successful and smart, the other not so much..

but no one calls anyone a moocher for taking advantage of a tax break, unless you consider being so unsuccessful as to not pay taxes in the first place a 'tax break'
There has to be indians in order for there to be chiefs.
 
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If the OP was serious about the title of this thread...he is clearly an idiot.
 
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The Democrats have created a class of "useful idiots" that will ensure that they can get at least 50% of the vote.
 
 
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u guys know nada about the motive for obama, it came down to a few factors.

one being would the muppets, frontline and nova being canceled. obama danced around while mittens wanted illegals and muppets canceled along with babies being born n not aborted.

funny how the final tally was mitt 47%
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