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Posted: #176
Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

Still waiting for the prophecy question I asked above.

Sorry mate, what was it?

 
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Posted: #177
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

That answer gave me a great insight into why u believe what u do.

1. Everyone thought the earthe was flat, the bible clearly states that the earth is in the shape of a sphere

BTW - how about the following?  Sure could be seen to be saying the world is flat and on some kind of foundation:

Isiah 11:12

He will set up a banner for the nations, and will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Psalm 104:5

He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.

Revelation 7:1 

1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

My guess is you are going to source Isiah 40:22

He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth

I hate to tell you but a circle is not the same as a sphere.


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Posted: #178
Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

I have to stop right where I cut out above.

Please source those.  Like a bible chapter and verse.  I think I will be waiting a very long time.

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Posted: #179
Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

Sir -

I have read the bible cover to cover at least 5 times.  I have studied religion at the graduate level in college.

One thing you cant do is assume I havent read the bible.

A question for you:

God gave humans critical thinking.  But according to you, god demands that we make a choice.  Our critical thinking leads us to one choice, and "faith" leads us to the other.  Why did god give us something like critical thinking and then punish us for eternity for using it?



Sir...

God has given you a wonderful gift: a brain, thus, the ability to "critically think".  If it STILL is not apparent to you that someone or thing created this awe inspiring world along with a universe that is totally mind-boggling in it's vastness and splendor, and you choose to ignore all this and instead focus your energies instead on betting on soccer, that what can I say to you that hasn't already been said?

If  your critical thinking leads you to believe that God does not exist, then, so be it, if your critical thinking leads you to believe that God does exist, but instead, you choose to ignore this fact and live your life the way that YOU want to leaving God out of the equation, then, so be it too...I'm just telling you what you don't want to accept or hear...God is 100% real....believe what you want to about this fact, but if you choose wrongly, it might be a long eternity....but you are a gambling man and a tough-guy...so what a little eternity.if I'm wrong....you can to an eternity in hell standing on your head..right?


 
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Posted: #180
van, you're obviously not getting good enough weed,,,,,,

i think you like to do things well when you do them. Well fucking apply yourself a tad better at getting some medical grade dope, it's EVERYWHERE, yes even in Ocala or Oklawaha or wherever you're at.
 
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Posted: #181

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Sir...

God has given you a wonderful gift: a brain, thus, the ability to "critically think".  If it STILL is not apparent to you that someone or thing created this awe inspiring world along with a universe that is totally mind-boggling in it's vastness and splendor, and you choose to ignore all this and instead focus your energies instead on betting on soccer, that what can I say to you that hasn't already been said?

If  your critical thinking leads you to believe that God does not exist, then, so be it, if your critical thinking leads you to believe that God does exist, but instead, you choose to ignore this fact and live your life the way that YOU want to leaving God out of the equation, then, so be it too...I'm just telling you what you don't want to accept or hear...God is 100% real....believe what you want to about this fact, but if you choose wrongly, it might be a long eternity....but you are a gambling man and a tough-guy...so what a little eternity.if I'm wrong....you can to an eternity in hell standing on your head..right?


My critical thinking does not lead me to say there is no god.

It leads me to say that the odds of YOUR god being the RIGHT god are astronomical.

Big difference.  You have all of your eggs in one basket, and that basket is priced at about 5000 - 1.

 

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Posted: #182

Quote Originally Posted by RichardA:



Sir...

God has given you a wonderful gift: a brain, thus, the ability to "critically think".  If it STILL is not apparent to you that someone or thing created this awe inspiring world along with a universe that is totally mind-boggling in it's vastness and splendor, and you choose to ignore all this and instead focus your energies instead on betting on soccer, that what can I say to you that hasn't already been said?

If  your critical thinking leads you to believe that God does not exist, then, so be it, if your critical thinking leads you to believe that God does exist, but instead, you choose to ignore this fact and live your life the way that YOU want to leaving God out of the equation, then, so be it too...I'm just telling you what you don't want to accept or hear...God is 100% real....believe what you want to about this fact, but if you choose wrongly, it might be a long eternity....but you are a gambling man and a tough-guy...so what a little eternity.if I'm wrong....you can to an eternity in hell standing on your head..right?


And I am not a tough guy as you state.

I believe in the power of love.

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Posted: #183

Quote Originally Posted by be easy:

van, you're obviously not getting good enough weed,,,,,,

i think you like to do things well when you do them. Well fucking apply yourself a tad better at getting some medical grade dope, it's EVERYWHERE, yes even in Ocala or Oklawaha or wherever you're at.

I havent smoked in 6 months.  I cant find it.  I know I am a dope, but I just cant come up with the stuff.  I am surrounded by upstanding citizens who dont smoke weed.

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Posted: #184
Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

Sir -

I have read the bible cover to cover at least 5 times.  I have studied religion at the graduate level in college.

One thing you cant do is assume I havent read the bible.

A question for you:

God gave humans critical thinking.  But according to you, god demands that we make a choice.  Our critical thinking leads us to one choice, and "faith" leads us to the other.  Why did god give us something like critical thinking and then punish us for eternity for using it?

Just like the NCAA tourny: Just because you're good doesnt mean you win the championship....you have to earn it. You should be able to hit free throws.....

You just dont get to go to heaven, you gotta earn it by making the correct choices in the face of temptation.

Religion at the graduate level? Why? Maybe you should read it a 6th time

 
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Posted: #185
Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

And I am not a tough guy as you state.

I believe in the power of love.



John:3:16

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Faith isn't so hard or too difficult, it sure beats an eternity in hell...

 
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For God so loved the world - Such a love as that which induced God to give his only begotten son to die for the world could not be described: Jesus Christ does not attempt it. He has put an eternity of meaning in the particle ???t?, so, and left a subject for everlasting contemplation, wonder, and praise, to angels and to men. The same evangelist uses a similar mode of expression, 1 John 3:1 : Behold, What Manner of love, p?tap?? a?ap??, the Father hath bestowed upon us.

From the subject before him, let the reader attend to the following particulars.

First, The world was in a ruinous, condemned state, about to perish everlastingly; and was utterly without power to rescue itself from destruction.

Secondly, That God, through the impulse of his eternal love, provided for its rescue and salvation, by giving his Son to die for it.

Thirdly, That the sacrifice of Jesus was the only mean by which the redemption of man could be effected, and that it is absolutely sufficient to accomplish this gracious design: for it would have been inconsistent with the wisdom of God, to have appointed a sacrifice greater in itself, or less in its merit, than what the urgent necessities of the case required.

Fourthly, That sin must be an indescribable evil, when it required no less a sacrifice, to make atonement for it, than God manifested in the flesh.

Fifthly, That no man is saved through this sacrifice, but he that believes, i.e. who credits what God has spoken concerning Christ, his sacrifice, the end for which it was offered, and the way in which it is to be applied in order to become effectual.

Sixthly, That those who believe receive a double benefit:

1. They are exempted from eternal perdition - that they may not perish.

2. They are brought to eternal glory - that they may have everlasting life. These two benefits point out tacitly the state of man: he is guilty, and therefore exposed to punishment: he is impure, and therefore unfit for glory.

They point out also the two grand operations of grace, by which the salvation of man is effected.

1. Justification, by which the guilt of sin is removed, and consequently the person is no longer obnoxious to perdition.

2. Sanctification, or the purification of his nature, by which he is properly fitted for the kingdom of glory.

 
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Posted: #187
3:16,17 For God so loved the world, etc. There is no sweeter verse in the Bible. It declares: (1) That God is love. (2) That he loved the world instead of hating it. (3) That he so loved that he gave his Son. The Son did not come to appease the Father's wrath, but the Father sent him because he loved so well. (4) That he came to keep men from perishing.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by RichardA:

3:16,17 For God so loved the world, etc. There is no sweeter verse in the Bible. It declares: (1) That God is love. (2) That he loved the world instead of hating it. (3) That he so loved that he gave his Son. The Son did not come to appease the Father's wrath, but the Father sent him because he loved so well. (4) That he came to keep men from perishing.

If god so loved the world, why not just fix it?  Why all of the drama like sending a son blah blah blah?  If god created the world, why is it imperfect?  If god can read your mind, why do you need to pray?  If god is perfect, why does he require worship?

And on and on and on.  It is all so silly.  Why would god have to send a son, who needs to die?  Why not something slightly less drama queen and more practical?

 

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Now I really am off to bed.

Good discussion guys.

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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

I havent smoked in 6 months.  I cant find it.  I know I am a dope, but I just cant come up with the stuff.  I am surrounded by upstanding citizens who dont smoke weed.



I fail to believe that you are that shitty of a networker. Every city i've ever been in i've been able to score bud without barely trying. You aren't even trying.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by RichardA:

For God so loved the world - Such a love as that which induced God to give his only begotten son to die for the world could not be described: Jesus Christ does not attempt it. He has put an eternity of meaning in the particle ???t?, so, and left a subject for everlasting contemplation, wonder, and praise, to angels and to men. The same evangelist uses a similar mode of expression, 1 John 3:1 : Behold, What Manner of love, p?tap?? a?ap??, the Father hath bestowed upon us.

From the subject before him, let the reader attend to the following particulars.

First, The world was in a ruinous, condemned state, about to perish everlastingly; and was utterly without power to rescue itself from destruction.

Secondly, That God, through the impulse of his eternal love, provided for its rescue and salvation, by giving his Son to die for it.

Thirdly, That the sacrifice of Jesus was the only mean by which the redemption of man could be effected, and that it is absolutely sufficient to accomplish this gracious design: for it would have been inconsistent with the wisdom of God, to have appointed a sacrifice greater in itself, or less in its merit, than what the urgent necessities of the case required.

Fourthly, That sin must be an indescribable evil, when it required no less a sacrifice, to make atonement for it, than God manifested in the flesh.

Fifthly, That no man is saved through this sacrifice, but he that believes, i.e. who credits what God has spoken concerning Christ, his sacrifice, the end for which it was offered, and the way in which it is to be applied in order to become effectual.

Sixthly, That those who believe receive a double benefit:

1. They are exempted from eternal perdition - that they may not perish.

2. They are brought to eternal glory - that they may have everlasting life. These two benefits point out tacitly the state of man: he is guilty, and therefore exposed to punishment: he is impure, and therefore unfit for glory.

They point out also the two grand operations of grace, by which the salvation of man is effected.

1. Justification, by which the guilt of sin is removed, and consequently the person is no longer obnoxious to perdition.

2. Sanctification, or the purification of his nature, by which he is properly fitted for the kingdom of glory.


Sacrifice? What kind of sacrifice is that! He rose from the DEAD!!!!!After three days!
 
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Posted: #193
Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

If god so loved the world, why not just fix it?  Why all of the drama like sending a son blah blah blah?  If god created the world, why is it imperfect?  If god can read your mind, why do you need to pray?  If god is perfect, why does he require worship?

And on and on and on.  It is all so silly.  Why would god have to send a son, who needs to die?  Why not something slightly less drama queen and more practical?

 


God doesn't have to justify to you what he does or doesn't do, Vanzack. 


When you accept this fact maybe you can begin to understand.  


Your vanity and ego are truly Satanic. 

 
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List three thinkers off the top of your head that are pro Socialism


1. Moi
 
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Posted: #195
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

at the end of the day,

If you dont believe in God, then you are limited to believing that SOMETHING CAN COME FROM NOTHING.

Atheists

Something coming from nothing



What did God come from?
 
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I truly have to bite my tongue.

I shall inherit this earth. I will be rich.

 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Frnke4Finger:



What did God come from?


created by the previous One...

I believe we're in Phase 17.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by be easy:



fly on down to Lancaster airport, i'll walk over, fold you up, put you back in your own pocket and then ship you back to your mom's basement. Then you can tell your little group of 'friends' about the time you flew first class,,,,

Be, that is one fuckin very funny post. I need to remember that one to use sometime.

Damn i might start smoking, if it will make me come up with some funny posts like that.

 

 

 
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Hey richard aka alex keaton, rumor has it you are soon going to be flying first class, lmfaoooooooooooooooooo

HAVE A NICE TRIP

 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by lbcake:



1. Moi


i can envision your definition of Socialism being different then mine. Do tell
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