Im bored. No sports for me to bet on. How about a religion thread?

Ahhh, i was so waiting for this one.

In this physical universe, something CANNOT COME FROM NOTHING. If you have an example, i will conceed, good luck.

Remember, we are talking about this physical , natural universe.

Gods realm is in the supernatural world. What do we know about the properties or premises of the supernatural?

That is why asking who made God is an incoherent question.

But to say something cannot come from nothing is incoherent, furthermore, limiting the atheist to have no choice but to believe that something can come from nothing.

Job 26:7 regarding hanging the earth on nothing

Jeremiah 32-33 regarding the stars

Job 38:16 ref]garding the natural springs

Isiah 40-22 regarding the circle of the earth. You can interpret it however you like.

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Still doesn't prove your god of the bible. And how come you'll answer this question, but not Vanzacks questions 

I already answered his stupid questions.

Yes the corners of the earth refer to North South East West. In the bible the earth is refered to as a circle, how can you have corners on a circle?

Foundations , yes, it is a metaphor.

Circle, interpret circle how you want it to

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Still doesn't prove your god of the bible. And how come you'll answer this question, but not Vanzacks questions 

Everyone though the universe was static (eternal), always existed, never was created.

In the last last century, science has indeed concluded that the universe does have a birthdate, ie, was created.

The bible clearly states that God created the heavens and the earth.

So the bible states it was created by God, however the common thought was that the universe was eternal.

Cant you tell?

This is the biggest issue.

God teaches us to NOT kill.

God instructs the people in the bible to kill to kill evil.

Now, no one on this earth has the right to question God, he gives life and he takes it, NO ONE can question this.

He is under no obligation to do anything.

I dont understand what you are trying to prove..

What is it exactly?

Go back in time and look at the hopeless people God told his commanders to kill.  They often had no choice it was an us or them atmosphere.  Winning in battle is one of the blessings that comes from obedience to his commands.

  It's a good start. 

good read

costos rostos and og- i suggest you employ mr. be easy to do your debating for you, he's the only shot you guys got

rostos is the scalabrine of religion. he says the same thing over and over in every thread. something cant come from nothing, but yet totally believes that god was just always there, forever, even though no one created him, but thats ok because god is supernatural and he created physical universe just for us like a giant ant farm. he was one of those kids brainwashed in sunday school to think that everything in the bible is fact and the earth is 8000 years old, there is no such thing as dinosaurs, and god is waiting in heaven which just happens to be right outside our solar system, just out of reach. that way he can keep an eye on us like santa claus. riddle me this, according to the bible, we are here as a test to see if we are worthy of joining god in heaven, and god is supposedly omnipotent and knows everything past, present, future including what each one of us will do and what choices we will make. if that is true then why go through this bother of creating this universe for us and giving us physical life if he already knows which of us will serve him and go to heaven and which of us wont? a) either he is a sick bastard using us to amuse him, or b) he does not exist. 

man created god, not the other way around

Of course i am going keep repeating everything, cause no one here can debunk it.

"Something cannot come from nothing" in this natural world, physical universe. Give me an example where it can?

You asked who created God? How do we know what the properties of the supernatural world is? That is an incoherent question.

I will keep on repeating my sign posts, cause NO ONE HERE CAN DEBUNK THEM.

And if thinking that the dictionary is the result of an explosion at the print factory makes you sleep better at night, then good luck to you.

Come on nutjobs, lets hear some retorts on those bible quotes.

Heres a very simple question for you:

How can the bible have the inconsistency of having a commandment of "thou shall not kill" and then have dozens of bible versus outlining when to kill?

I want an answer to this.  God wrote the damn book, how can inconsistencies be there?  Is it ok to kill, or is it a commandment not to?

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...the KJV was translated in the early 17th century using an archaic form of modern english. in the last 400 yrs, english has changed significantly. unfortunately, the vast majority of those who read the KJV (both believers + unbelievers) are unqualified to know what the text means in many instances because of word meaning changes.

in attempting to demonstrate the contradiction of God's commands to israel and the sixth commandment, atheist often cite the KJV translation, "Thou shalt not kill."

however, like english, hebrew, the language in which most of the old testament was written, uses different words for intentional vs. unintentional killing. the verse translated "Thou shalt not kill" in the KJV translation, is translated "You shall not murder" in modern translations - because these translations represents the real meaning of the hebrew text. the bible in basic english translates the phrase, "Do not put anyone to death without cause." the hebrew word used here is ratsach, which nearly always refers to intentional killing without cause (unless indicated otherwise by context).

hebrew law recognized accidental killing as not punishable. specific cities were designated as "cities of refuge," so that an unintentional killer could flee to escape retribution. the hebrew word for "kill" in this instance is not ratsach, but nakah, which can refer to either premeditated or unintentional killing, depending upon context. other hebrew words also can refer to killing. the punishment for murder was the death sentence. however, to be convicted, there needed to be at least two eyewitnesses. the bible also prescribes that people have a right to defend themselves against attack and use deadly force if necessary.

america today houses states where killing is outlawed, yet the state itself enforces capital punishment. this isnt classed a contradiction to the very human rights it is protecting as a deterrent and punishment. it also is not viewed as a contradiction where a victim is forced to protect themself, family or assets by an intruder.

in the context of the bible, the commandments were made for man and not man for the commandments. so my advice would be for any individual to look at specific cases.

what sports do you bet on vanzack to kill the bordom?

oh costos rostos, don't be so sensitive, but seriously, i have told you many times that your arguments are equivalent to what comes out of the mouth of a 5th grader. When the educated start debating- look how much more interesting this thread gets.  Do what I do, just sit back and enjoy the read, in the long run, you will be helping your cause.  There is not ONE person that is going to read your nonsense and be like, "Yep- that wise man Costos Rostos has shown me the way," NOT ONE