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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

 

yeah genius, people actually go deer hunting with shotguns.  I dont know what planet you live on, but it really does take place.

 

When i asked him if he was comparing firing 3 shots off while deer hunting, i was assuming he was using a shotgun. 



No need for insults over my comment so don't get your panties twisted jackass.
I am aware that it is possible to hunt deer with a shotgun, but on my planet the people I know used hi-powered rifles designed for the purpose.
I am pretty sure my knowledge of firearms is greater than yours
so chill out.
 
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Why would I compare shooting a slug through a shot gun to using a bolt action rifle? 
 
I'll ask again...you ever been deer hunting?  Ever feel what it's like when your heart practically bursts out of your chest because of how excited you are and how much the adrenaline is flowing?  I'm guessing a person in Oswalt's situation would be feeling something similar (and don't tell me it's not similar....I'm talking adrenaline rush to the point of shaking). 

People talk all the time about conspiracies, but they never explain the facts.  Not only that, you aren't interested in looking at the facts. 
 
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They run simulations with EXPERTS who, after taking into account Oswald's abilities with a rifle as well as the nature of the circumstances, ALL AGREE that the event was certainly possible. 
 
And the reasoning of the conspiracy theorists is, "I just don't believe it."  No alternatives at all SUPPORTED BY ANY FACTS. 
 
 
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Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength — and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."
 
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Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

Why would I compare shooting a slug through a shot gun to using a bolt action rifle? 
 
I'll ask again...you ever been deer hunting?  Ever feel what it's like when your heart practically bursts out of your chest because of how excited you are and how much the adrenaline is flowing?  I'm guessing a person in Oswalt's situation would be feeling something similar (and don't tell me it's not similar....I'm talking adrenaline rush to the point of shaking). 

People talk all the time about conspiracies, but they never explain the facts.  Not only that, you aren't interested in looking at the facts. 
 
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They run simulations with EXPERTS who, after taking into account Oswald's abilities with a rifle as well as the nature of the circumstances, ALL AGREE that the event was certainly possible. 
 
And the reasoning of the conspiracy theorists is, "I just don't believe it."  No alternatives at all SUPPORTED BY ANY FACTS. 
 

 

are you smokin crack?  comparing what you are feeling when you are about to shoot a deer compared to the president of the USA.  Your kidding right.  Like i said, we live in a free country and people have the right to believe whatever they want.  Am glad you are so trusting of our govt.  Just remember its the govt who keeps all this stuff secret.  They could stop all the conspiracies if they just showed clear facts, not little bits and pieces.

Like i said about the plane hitting the penatgon.  All they need to show is one clear video of a plane actually hitting the building and that would put an end to all the conspiracies out there.  So why dont they just do it? Because in my opinion that cant, because there was never no plane.

 

as far as the shotgun thing, i asked you because i thought thats what you were comparing the shots to.  You didnt say you were using a rifle in your first post. Wow can we drop that portion now?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by CountNo_Account:



No need for insults over my comment so don't get your panties twisted jackass.
I am aware that it is possible to hunt deer with a shotgun, but on my planet the people I know used hi-powered rifles designed for the purpose.
I am pretty sure my knowledge of firearms is greater than yours
so chill out.

 

your the one who posted the samrtass emoticon

 
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The simple solution to all arguing is, lets just agree to disagree.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by tuxman:


Were there thousands of gallons of jet fuel in those fires? Around 11,489 gal (43,490 l) in each plane.

When the second plane hit most of the Jet fuel exploded outside the building.  

There were explosions in the building.  IT is a fact  But for some reason nobody ever talks about it. 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by tuxman:

Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength — and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."

(not at free fall speeds!!!) and tower7 had no jet fuel in it and it fell at free fall speeds for me thats all i need

the end of Lose Change was sick the last 5min. were they talk about the video of O'sama confessing and how it truey didn't look like him, he had on a time-x watch and a ring(against islamic rule) and get this he is writting with his right hand

O'sama is left handed.........

ooops

and the JFK killings

the discovery channel has done stuff with this

the three shots is not likely but it is possible, but i dont think he did it, secreat service guards messed it up and got out of the way

 

 
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(not at free fall speeds!!!) and tower7 had no jet fuel in it and it fell at free fall speeds for me thats all i need

the end of Lose Change was sick the last 5min. were they talk about the video of O'sama confessing and how it truey didn't look like him, he had on a time-x watch and a ring(against islamic rule) and get this he is writting with his right hand

O'sama is left handed.........

ooops

and the JFK killings

the discovery channel has done stuff with this

the three shots is not likely but it is possible, but i dont think he did it, secreat service guards messed it up and got out of the way

 

 

yup everybody forgots about tower 7 that had no plane in it.

also it would take alot longer for the structure to give out then what it did. 

 
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BAAAAAAAAA...to all the sheep out there....open your fucking eyes.
 
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are you smokin crack?  comparing what you are feeling when you are about to shoot a deer compared to the president of the USA.  Your kidding right.  Like i said, we live in a free country and people have the right to believe whatever they want.  Am glad you are so trusting of our govt.  Just remember its the govt who keeps all this stuff secret.  They could stop all the conspiracies if they just showed clear facts, not little bits and pieces.

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You've just chosen to ignore the facts in the JFK case.  I notice you don't provide a SINGLE ONE in all your arguments.  All you say is, "you believe what you want and I'll believe what I want." 

Now I'm convinced. 

Please tell me what FACTS in the JFK assassination have led you to believe in a conspiracy.  I'm all ears. 

 
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Roger Craig was a deputy Sheriff in Dallas at the time of the assassination of President Kennedy. Interesting read from a guy who lived through this ordeal. 
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by tuxman:


Were there thousands of gallons of jet fuel in those fires? Around 11,489 gal (43,490 l) in each plane.

It didn't seem too hot for the guy hanging out of the hole that the plane made while waving his jacket.

Or the fireman that got up to that floor and said that the fire could be contained.

Perhaps it was a little warm from what was believed to be thermite oozing out from that area.....Or maybe it was jet fuel that caused the beams to be severed on an angle.

 

 
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Are there really in here that think 9/11 was a conspiracy? If so please make you way off the 30 ft cliff . . .Thanks

 
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I guess you can answer all the questions that people have about 911 then right ?
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by coldsnap55:

I guess you can answer all the questions that people have about 911 then right ?
 

What questions? Two (2) planes crashed into the towers! Why would anyone sacrifice that many American lives, cripple the U. S Economy and put fear in the U.S.A.? If your answer is going to be oil, please save your energy.

 

Come on!

 

I love when these Liberals come out and try to undermine this great country!

 

Let me guess, your voting for your savior? Obama?

 

 
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O and just a FYI . . . I am a 9/11 survivor . ..

 
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Let me guess....You are a Bush backer. 
 
 
Not really on the ball are you....I don't get to vote.
 
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 What questions.
 
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Woops, I overlooked that you are from Canada. God that makes this conspiracy theory talk all make sense.   

 

 Let me guess, your family was from the U.S.A but your father left the country to escape the Vietnam draft? Yep that’s it. .

 

I am not a fan of Bush. Bush is an oil Barron. With that said, to say that he had a direct part in the 9/11 attacks is foolish.

 
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That's OK....Just reading your replies I didn't expect any answers from you.  Your way of thinking won't allow it.
 
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What questions? I would love to see this check list of nonsense you came up with.

 

I hope to God that you are not over 25 years old. If you are, then please sir, think of what you’re doing with your life. You sir are a fool!

 

Speaking about flags, you have that big red Canadian leaf hanging from your house?

 

Canada should be the next country we crack down on. Your nonsense border polices are a joke. The amount of drugs, radicals and god knows what comes in this country due to your countries flaws.

 
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 This should be interesting.
 
1 If the buildings came down from fire....How could a guy be standing there waving his coat ?
 
2 Why did building 7 come down ?
 
3 How did a big plane fit in that little hole at the pentagon ?
 
4 Where is the wreckage at the pentagon and PA. ?
 
5 How did those beams get sheared of at an angle at the towers ?
 
6 How can a terrorist that could barely fly a 2 seater manouver a plane to crash into the pentagon when pilots with 30 years experiece say it is physically impossible ?
 
Try those for starters.
 
 
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When you're done....here's a few more for you.
 
There was about an hour between when they knew there was a sky-jacking and when a so-called plane hit the pentagon..And they couldn't find this plane ?
 
Was it a coincidence that the owner of the three buildings that went down got huge insurance days earlier based on if they were attacked by terrorists he gets paid 7 billion dollars ?
 
Why were none of the names of the terrorists that they say were on these planes found on the manifest ?
 
They showed the pictures of 19 terrorists that took over those planes....How are there 7 of them still alive ? 
 
 
Why did Dick Chaney put himself in charge of AIR DEFENCE early that morning before anything happened ?....First time in history for that to happen.
 
 
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he thinks this is about right wing left wing, how sad... he will not have any answers to any of the questions out there, he hasn't seen any of the videos

and i am under 25 years old what does that have to do with the fact your going off a gut feeling you have the opportunity to change peoples point of view, watch the videos and then tell me how the laws of gravity changed for one city on one day....I'm waiting

you think people want to think the government was behind it, they don't, it sucks,  but without knowledge theres ignorance

do some research and lets talk, I'm looking forward to it, so many post on here are about a guy shaving his nuts, or about how the NBA is a script its nice to have a topic like this
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