Latest victim of the TSA: 95 year old woman dying of cancer (forced to remove underwear)

Wow.  Talk about having no respect for your freedoms.  I understand wanting to be thorough for people's safety, but to go that far?  You are MUCH more likely to get hurt by a drunk driver than you are getting blown up on a plane.  So, by this logic, are you willing to have pit stops on the road every 2 miles at all times of the day to ensure you aren't drinking and driving?

You gotta draw the line somewhere, and it has to be somewhere BEFORE the body cavity search.  If you're OK with some random dude sticking a finger up your virgin 16 year old daughter's butthole (or vagina) just to see if there is a bomb up there, then you have a serious problem.

I'm not saying they didn't go too far, but this is the world we live in.

https://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/heroin/tsa-depends-diaper-heroin-402976

 

Christmas day 2009 a Nigerian terrorist smuggled bomb material sewn into his underware on a plane headed for Michigan that would have blown a hole in the aircraft...Thankfully when he tried to detonate the bomb it just caused a small fire and not an explosion...The first question raised was how did this go undetected??

The people posting about Ben Franklin and kites and losing freedom are being completely misguided by their way of thinking..This isn't the gov't putting chips in our bodies or TSA doing full cavity searches at their will...It's about terrorism and the simple fact that these individuals have no morals whatsoever.  You can't let up even on the most obvious cases of an elderly woman in a wheelchair...You just can't. 

I don't like the way the world has changed as I grow older, but it is reality and people are sick.  I am all for common sense at times and letting things go, but it seems like everytime somebody slips or doesn't do their responsibilities 100%, they are being ridiculed all over the news...The media is to blame too, you can't have it both ways.  "Let's make a story when they do the right thing and twist it to make them look harsh, or lets ridicule every little mistep of a situation to find out how something happened when it goes wrong"  It's bullshit

Ok, so was this Nigerian guy in a diaper or wheelchair?  If not, then you should be contending that everyone should be checked out of their underwear for 100% effective scanning. 

You are right on that should not have gone undetected.  My thinking is that we have the technology for better scans and we should be using it.  I mean, we can't even see through a diaper?  Seriously?  Better screening methods would help avoid situations like this old lady as people would only be checked if there appears to be something suspicious (as supposed to not being able to see anything). 

The point I was trying to make is just that people are finding more creative ways to get things on planes whether it be in their shoes, water bottle, underwear, etc.. Your 100% right, better screening methods could eliminate some questionable searches.  I think they sometimes impliment things as they come across an incident somewhere in the country...Like almost everyone that flys, I have been in security lines for hours waiting and it ends up making everybody frantic and pissed off because they could miss their flights.  I don't know what the solution is really. 

It"s about terrorism.There are alot of people in the world who want to kill americans any way they can. Zero tollerance is out of control in the US , but air travel is one place we can't slack off. One slip up and 200+ people are dead. For the people who don't like it, take a bus, train, boat, car. bike.etc.

I don't mind being strict at the airport.  All my point was is we shouldn't be too strict to the point of body cavity searches, unless there is actually a cause for suspicion.  Someone posted earlier that they wouldn't mind someone checking up their butt...that's fine but like I said, there's no way anyone would should be OK with a random guy putting a finger up their virgin daughter's butt or vagina...unless there is an obvious reason to do so.  I'm not saying this would ever happen, but if we allow body cavity searches, some abuse like this is bound to happen, and is not acceptable. 

Who said anything about obstructing TSA? Standing up for a little old woman in a chair being scanned and removed from security is a fucking outrage.

People like you stand and watch, I can tell, just like the rest of the fucking herd. Long as you get to where you're going...who cares.

I've been in security lines all over the world bud - these security people collapse if have enough voices expressing proper treatment.

Tell me - where have you been and what have you seen?

 

How about this.

We use the pictures of the 9-11 terrorists as our only screening tool. I think USA Today had a nice two page spread we could laminate. If you even remotely resemble any of them, you can fly only under the following conditions:

You are stripped naked, subjected to every type of search we can come up with. We then question you for as long as we like. Finally, if you seem "flight-worthy", you are hog tied (still naked) and placed in the cargo area.

All other passengers are issued a .45 and plenty of ammo.

Laugh if you like. Every post 9-11 attempt would have been prevented using this plan.

We beat the "Red-Coats" partially due to how easy they were to identify. (Armed service training ... climb a tree, wait quietly, then shoot anyone that marches by in a bright red coat ....)

We are currently in a conflict with an enemy that is nearly as easy to identify. Not only do we refuse to use this fact to our advantage, our leaders deny that it exists, make it illegal to utilize and have sadly convinced a shocking percentage of our citizens that fingering granny while muhaamaadd, faruqe and jugdish walk unmolested to their seats is making us safe.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT THIS THREAD SCARES THE HELL OUT OF ME THAT THERES SO MANY IGNORANT STUPID FUCKING AMERICANS THAT ACTUALLY CONDONE THIS SHIT. EITHER HALF THE PEOPLE ON THIS SITE ARE FAKE FED PERSONAS OR THIS COUNTRY IS FUCKED. THE POINT IS YOU CAN NEVER STOP ALL TERRORISM NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO SO YOU DONT GIVE UP RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS TRYING TO DO SO, PERIOD, POINT ,BLANK. THATS LIKE MAKING GASOLINE ILLEGAL BECAUSE SOME DUMBFUCK HUFFS IT. CAR CRASHES KILL THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO MAKE DRIVING ILLEGAL TO KEEP US SAVE? MORE PEOPLE DIE FROM BEE STINGS THAN TERRORISM. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TERRORISM AND ALL TO DO WITH GOVERNMENT SEARCHING YOUR ASSHOLE? WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE. GOD YOU FUCKING SCARED LITTLE PUSSIES THAT GO AND HIDE FROM EVERY LITTLE SHADOW GROW SOME BALLS AND QUIT ACTING LIKE A BUNCH OF BITCHES.

Or maybe he just enjoys having strangers stick things up his ass and assumes everyone does as well.

What, what in the butt.

This is a truly awful story and Im not in support or against the TSA but unfortunately this is where were at in society and the world nowadays.

The body scanners or whatever they are seem like a great idea but people are already complaining about "privacy" issues because you'll basically be able to see them naked. So people will be in an uproar about that. When granny gets searched too hard people are in an uproar about that. If people arent searched enough and something terrible happens people are in an uproar over that as well.

The biggest problem with the TSA people imo is the employees are all basically mcdonalds workers, people who are, as bad as it sounds, in the lower percentile of intelligence in this country so common sense is just lacking. But people will complain like hell if we have to spend the money to upgrade this problem as well. The terrorists have unfortunately changed our lives and the way we travel forever and human life, even if it saves one life, is worth putting anyone thru any kind of "inconvenience" to ensure safety. This was obv way more than an "inconvenience" dont get me wrong, I think its terrible, but I dont really know what a proper solution is other than the full body scanners.

The "no profiling" thing is completely ridiculous. People are so uptight and race issues are so dramatically overblown (enter scalabrine here) that I cant believe we are really worried about offending muslims by treating them differently, its such bullshit. Yes no 90 yr old white woman has ever blown up a plane but theres a first for everything and that doesnt mean it COULD happen. Now is making her take her diaper off necessary, no probably not, but its not all whats wrong with the world either. If she had a bomb and blew up your wife and kids you'd raise hell forever about it and condemn the TSA agent for not doing their jobs because they were worrying about "offending someone." Thats sounds like defending what they did but it isnt, its more just condemning the world we live in now and how these terrorist have changed everything.

Also, flying isnt a "right." Its not something youre born to be able to do like breathing so unfortunatelty were kind of at their mercy.

Another thing is Im sure hundreds of thousands of people a day get searched and 99.9% of them are done fine and without worry or complaint. The thing is with that much "volume" of searches going on theres always gonna a few cases here and there about awful happenings and thats unavoidable, theres just too many people involved and when theres people involved theres gonna be mistakes and issues happen.

Basically theres no solution thats gonna make everyone happy. No matter what the process is theres gonna be ahuge group of people complaining.

I watched some "TSA screening gone wrong" videos on youtube and some people go out of their way to make it seem a lot more awful than it really is (not referring to the granny underwear case). One woman had a female tsa agent touch her breast and the woman was crying and screaming "you molested me!!!!." Its like gimme a fukn break lady. So then they had to cause a huge fucking scene and then just planting in the minds of all the morons behind her thinking theyre gonna get molested and hey maybe they'll be in youtube now too!!!!

 

Its just a completely fucked situation and the terrorists have caused it. The traveling world will never be the same after 9/11 and Im not sure we'll ever have a "likeable" process in which to fly. But as long as no more planes go down Im not gonna totally condemn everything theyre doing. The goal is safety and for the most part it seems to be being accomplished, regardless of the 1 in 1,000,000 stories like this we hear.

 

I also can completely understand straightshooters outrage as well as this was a terrible experience for this elderly woman. But her "dying" really has zero impact on the story, thats only put in there to make the story juicier and in fact imo she's a MORE likely suspect to be holding a bomb BECAUSE shes dying than not. Dont get me wrong I dont think she's a suspect at all but if we wanna be real then lets be, a dying person has more incentive to bomb a plane than a person in good health but also yeah right like some 95 yr old woman has a bomb n her I hear that too.

The Ben Franklin quote just doesnt even apply in the year 2011. Back in those days people thought whiskey was good for you and that Jesus Christ is real so to use quotes from 1700 or whatever just doesnt apply, its apples and oranges. I totally respect your opinion straightshooter and Im not talking shit like some of the other guys at all, it was just SUCH a different world back then it doesnt apply

 

The thing that bugs me the most is how racial profiling is somehow offensive but then again most racial issues get under my skin because I feel 99% of them are just garbage ecxuses but thats a whole other topic lol

 

Its just a fucked up world we live in and I dont see how its gonna get anything but worse, regardless of how outraged we are. People can and will never be able to agree on something together to fight it, everyone has their own agends and beliefs and theres just too much bullshit in the way of EVERYTHING to get much accomplished about matters like this, it just fucking sucks