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    Nurse who let a woman die rather than defy job rules

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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2013 - 6:23 PM ET #1

    This story disgusts me... I cannot believe it.

    911 tape shows how a NURSE at a retirement home let a woman die because she would not perform cpr on a dying patient.  Her company policy forbids them from performing cpr for anybody.

    WTF???????????????????

    Well she may have performed to company policy, but she failed at being a human being.
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    This story disgusts me... I cannot believe it.

    911 tape shows how a NURSE at a retirement home let a woman die because she would not perform cpr on a dying patient.  Her company policy forbids them from performing cpr for anybody.

    WTF???????????????????

    Well she may have performed to company policy, but she failed at being a human being.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2013 - 6:51 PM ET #2

    It's not illegal to be a bad human being. It could theoretically open up a nursing home to liability if one of their employees negligently performs CPR.

    Thank plaintiffs' lawyers for these types of policies.
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    It's not illegal to be a bad human being. It could theoretically open up a nursing home to liability if one of their employees negligently performs CPR.

    Thank plaintiffs' lawyers for these types of policies.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2013 - 6:58 PM ET #3

    The 911 operator was basically begging her to help the lady and she refused.  Sick.
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    The 911 operator was basically begging her to help the lady and she refused.  Sick.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2013 - 7:14 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    It's not illegal to be a bad human being. It could theoretically open up a nursing home to liability if one of their employees negligently performs CPR.

    Thank plaintiffs' lawyers for these types of policies.

    Wow really?  At the end of the trail of course trial lawyers and out court system is to blame for this disgusting behavior.

    But cmon... are you telling me that you would not save a life despite any "rules"

    You cannot point the finger at something so ambiguous as the courts system... I always choose to do the right thing - despite any rules.  I have never regretted any decisions.

    That disgusting excuse of a woman will live in horrendous nightmares the rest of her life.  FAIL
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    It's not illegal to be a bad human being. It could theoretically open up a nursing home to liability if one of their employees negligently performs CPR.

    Thank plaintiffs' lawyers for these types of policies.

    Wow really?  At the end of the trail of course trial lawyers and out court system is to blame for this disgusting behavior.

    But cmon... are you telling me that you would not save a life despite any "rules"

    You cannot point the finger at something so ambiguous as the courts system... I always choose to do the right thing - despite any rules.  I have never regretted any decisions.

    That disgusting excuse of a woman will live in horrendous nightmares the rest of her life.  FAIL
     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2013 - 8:08 PM ET #5


    This after the retirement home probably devoured the entire life savings of the patient on her way out the eternal door.  I'm dealing with this exact same garbage now with my Mom in a retirement home.

    Don't get me started on these fukkers.
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    This after the retirement home probably devoured the entire life savings of the patient on her way out the eternal door.  I'm dealing with this exact same garbage now with my Mom in a retirement home.

    Don't get me started on these fukkers.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2013 - 8:16 PM ET #6

    I have never worked in a retirement home...

    but I have worked in residential facilities, group homes, psych wards, etc...

    and they all require basic first aid and cpr training to work there... and I worked there before I had any formal medical training...

    It is hard for me to think that the nurse did not know what to do... but perhaps she is instructed by her employer not to, but where is the line?

    if someone is choking... so they turn a blind eye and let them choke to death rather then applying the Heimlich? 


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    I have never worked in a retirement home...

    but I have worked in residential facilities, group homes, psych wards, etc...

    and they all require basic first aid and cpr training to work there... and I worked there before I had any formal medical training...

    It is hard for me to think that the nurse did not know what to do... but perhaps she is instructed by her employer not to, but where is the line?

    if someone is choking... so they turn a blind eye and let them choke to death rather then applying the Heimlich? 


     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2013 - 8:36 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    It's not illegal to be a bad human being. It could theoretically open up a nursing home to liability if one of their employees negligently performs CPR.

    Thank plaintiffs' lawyers for these types of policies.

    Good Samaritan laws are laws enacted by individual states, in most cases, which protect a person who renders cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) or other medical aid, from frivolous lawsuits. The intent of Good Samaritan laws is to make it possible for those wary of lawsuits to help save a person without fear of legal recourse if the person is hurt by the treatment or dies.

    Often Good Samaritan laws may apply only to medical professionals or those who have completed Red Cross training or the equivalent in CPR. The helping person must act with the person’s consent, when possible, and this must be an entirely voluntary act. Good Samaritan laws do not apply to medical personnel working in a hospital, for example. Even when help is voluntary, these laws do not mean that a person cannot ever be sued for performing CPR that goes wrong.

    Most Good Samaritan laws call for the helping person to act in a prudential and responsible way. A medical professional who acts in an irresponsible way, or who can be shown to be inebriated while delivering care may still be subject to a lawsuit if the outcome of the help is not favorable. This can only occur when negligence can be proven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    It's not illegal to be a bad human being. It could theoretically open up a nursing home to liability if one of their employees negligently performs CPR.

    Thank plaintiffs' lawyers for these types of policies.

    Good Samaritan laws are laws enacted by individual states, in most cases, which protect a person who renders cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) or other medical aid, from frivolous lawsuits. The intent of Good Samaritan laws is to make it possible for those wary of lawsuits to help save a person without fear of legal recourse if the person is hurt by the treatment or dies.

    Often Good Samaritan laws may apply only to medical professionals or those who have completed Red Cross training or the equivalent in CPR. The helping person must act with the person’s consent, when possible, and this must be an entirely voluntary act. Good Samaritan laws do not apply to medical personnel working in a hospital, for example. Even when help is voluntary, these laws do not mean that a person cannot ever be sued for performing CPR that goes wrong.

    Most Good Samaritan laws call for the helping person to act in a prudential and responsible way. A medical professional who acts in an irresponsible way, or who can be shown to be inebriated while delivering care may still be subject to a lawsuit if the outcome of the help is not favorable. This can only occur when negligence can be proven.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2013 - 9:18 PM ET #8

     Had she tried the headline could've been " Nurse fired for performing CPR"...............especially if she was unsuccessful.

     I don't agree with her inaction either, but it seems we read about this kind of horseshiit every day...............sickening what our society has become.
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     Had she tried the headline could've been " Nurse fired for performing CPR"...............especially if she was unsuccessful.

     I don't agree with her inaction either, but it seems we read about this kind of horseshiit every day...............sickening what our society has become.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 4, 2013 - 9:40 PM ET #9

    Pretty sad, but most of you wouldnt have done it either. A person you dont know (really know), and you must actually go mouth to mouth? Not likely this day and age. Most hospital have guards or use an ambu bag.

    CPR usually doesnt help anyway, especially on the elderly that have many underlying issues to begin with. Now, a child or young adult with no other health problems? Different story (although not much when it comes to outcome)

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    Pretty sad, but most of you wouldnt have done it either. A person you dont know (really know), and you must actually go mouth to mouth? Not likely this day and age. Most hospital have guards or use an ambu bag.

    CPR usually doesnt help anyway, especially on the elderly that have many underlying issues to begin with. Now, a child or young adult with no other health problems? Different story (although not much when it comes to outcome)

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    It's not illegal to be a bad human being. It could theoretically open up a nursing home to liability if one of their employees negligently performs CPR.


    Thank plaintiffs' lawyers for these types of policies.
    Had a friend robbed he legally owned a gun and shot the robber in the knee.  Police came and took the intruder to hospital and jail. Later he got out sued my buddy and won 40k in damages. Made me sick to my stomach
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    It's not illegal to be a bad human being. It could theoretically open up a nursing home to liability if one of their employees negligently performs CPR.


    Thank plaintiffs' lawyers for these types of policies.
    Had a friend robbed he legally owned a gun and shot the robber in the knee.  Police came and took the intruder to hospital and jail. Later he got out sued my buddy and won 40k in damages. Made me sick to my stomach
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Pretty sad, but most of you wouldnt have done it either. A person you dont know (really know), and you must actually go mouth to mouth? Not likely this day and age. Most hospital have guards or use an ambu bag.

    CPR usually doesnt help anyway, especially on the elderly that have many underlying issues to begin with. Now, a child or young adult with no other health problems? Different story (although not much when it comes to outcome)


    The new cpr does not involve doing mouth to mouth - it is hands only cpr these days so no issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Pretty sad, but most of you wouldnt have done it either. A person you dont know (really know), and you must actually go mouth to mouth? Not likely this day and age. Most hospital have guards or use an ambu bag.

    CPR usually doesnt help anyway, especially on the elderly that have many underlying issues to begin with. Now, a child or young adult with no other health problems? Different story (although not much when it comes to outcome)


    The new cpr does not involve doing mouth to mouth - it is hands only cpr these days so no issue.

     
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    Myth: Proper CPR technique should include frequent use of “mouth to mouth” in between compressions.

    In fact, the 2010 guidelines set out by the American Heart Association (AHA) do not recommend breathing for someone while performing CPR (and not for your health, as you might think, but for the person experiencing cardiac arrest’s chances of survival). If you’re a person who was trained in CPR a long time ago, you might be familiar with the once staple “15 chest compressions then 2 breaths”. If you followed the 2005 guidelines, then you’re familiar with the “30 compressions then 2 breaths” technique. In both cases, you should throw those out the window.


    Read more at https://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2012/06/cpr-does-not-require-mouth-to-mouth/#xsyK9Th3W4K8gkcy.99 
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    Myth: Proper CPR technique should include frequent use of “mouth to mouth” in between compressions.

    In fact, the 2010 guidelines set out by the American Heart Association (AHA) do not recommend breathing for someone while performing CPR (and not for your health, as you might think, but for the person experiencing cardiac arrest’s chances of survival). If you’re a person who was trained in CPR a long time ago, you might be familiar with the once staple “15 chest compressions then 2 breaths”. If you followed the 2005 guidelines, then you’re familiar with the “30 compressions then 2 breaths” technique. In both cases, you should throw those out the window.


    Read more at https://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2012/06/cpr-does-not-require-mouth-to-mouth/#xsyK9Th3W4K8gkcy.99 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allbutbroke:


    The new cpr does not involve doing mouth to mouth - it is hands only cpr these days so no issue.

    I'm well aware as I have to get recertified every 2 years. Its amazing they keep changing little things. Not sure why becuase its usually futile.

    New thought is to just keep blood flowing (no new breaths). They even have an automatic machine (we call it the geeser squeezer), but it never works (bring people back to life). Seen it used for the last few years and never once has the person survived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allbutbroke:


    The new cpr does not involve doing mouth to mouth - it is hands only cpr these days so no issue.

    I'm well aware as I have to get recertified every 2 years. Its amazing they keep changing little things. Not sure why becuase its usually futile.

    New thought is to just keep blood flowing (no new breaths). They even have an automatic machine (we call it the geeser squeezer), but it never works (bring people back to life). Seen it used for the last few years and never once has the person survived.

     
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    If everyone lives their lives afraid of these gdamn lawyers we'd all stay holed up in our homes and never step foot outside. 

    There's a professional reaction and then there is a human reaction. The human reaction to help was called for here regardless of potential lawsuits that could occur because CPR was administered incorrectly.

    Yes, you risk your job to save a life. You may even risk your own life to save a stranger's life in certain cases. That is what it means to be human.

    This is a human LIFE we are talking about here. It's not a gdamn plant you forget to water.

    If I lived by this nursing home, honest to god I'd get a protest in front of it to have every family member transferred out of there or until they changed their policy.

    Disgusting story...
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    If everyone lives their lives afraid of these gdamn lawyers we'd all stay holed up in our homes and never step foot outside. 

    There's a professional reaction and then there is a human reaction. The human reaction to help was called for here regardless of potential lawsuits that could occur because CPR was administered incorrectly.

    Yes, you risk your job to save a life. You may even risk your own life to save a stranger's life in certain cases. That is what it means to be human.

    This is a human LIFE we are talking about here. It's not a gdamn plant you forget to water.

    If I lived by this nursing home, honest to god I'd get a protest in front of it to have every family member transferred out of there or until they changed their policy.

    Disgusting story...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:


    This after the retirement home probably devoured the entire life savings of the patient on her way out the eternal door.  I'm dealing with this exact same garbage now with my Mom in a retirement home.

    Don't get me started on these fukkers.
    100% true
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:


    This after the retirement home probably devoured the entire life savings of the patient on her way out the eternal door.  I'm dealing with this exact same garbage now with my Mom in a retirement home.

    Don't get me started on these fukkers.
    100% true
     
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    Posted: Mar. 5, 2013 - 5:27 PM ET #16

    Shouldn't we really be questioning whoever created and implemented this policy for the retirement home?  The nurse really was in a tough position if she had it drilled in her for years that she is not to perform CPR.  This really should have been addressed before the emergency arose.
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    Shouldn't we really be questioning whoever created and implemented this policy for the retirement home?  The nurse really was in a tough position if she had it drilled in her for years that she is not to perform CPR.  This really should have been addressed before the emergency arose.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 5, 2013 - 5:41 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:

    Shouldn't we really be questioning whoever created and implemented this policy for the retirement home?  The nurse really was in a tough position if she had it drilled in her for years that she is not to perform CPR.  This really should have been addressed before the emergency arose.

    The nurse is not in a tough position. She watched someone die at her feet. I wonder if she went home and had a Salisbury steak with A-1 sauce while watching Two and half men that night to get that annoying death off her mind.

    Here's me. 

    "Yes I helped." 

    "We're getting sued and you want to let me go because I broke policy?" 

    "Ok. I'm going straight to CNN, ABC, NBC and every Internet news site to let them know how you handled someone saving a life while 'breaking' your policy. Dress well and floss because you'll be doing some interviews in the morning. Seeya."
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    Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:

    Shouldn't we really be questioning whoever created and implemented this policy for the retirement home?  The nurse really was in a tough position if she had it drilled in her for years that she is not to perform CPR.  This really should have been addressed before the emergency arose.

    The nurse is not in a tough position. She watched someone die at her feet. I wonder if she went home and had a Salisbury steak with A-1 sauce while watching Two and half men that night to get that annoying death off her mind.

    Here's me. 

    "Yes I helped." 

    "We're getting sued and you want to let me go because I broke policy?" 

    "Ok. I'm going straight to CNN, ABC, NBC and every Internet news site to let them know how you handled someone saving a life while 'breaking' your policy. Dress well and floss because you'll be doing some interviews in the morning. Seeya."
     
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    Posted: Mar. 5, 2013 - 5:49 PM ET #18

    the eighty seven year old had signed a do not resucitate order, so the woman was actually carrying out her wishes,,,,

    otoh, what exactly would all those of you crying about this like to have seen done? at some point, you get old and then you die. youve been brainwashed to think that a preferable alternative would be to live out another few breaths in a state of torture, hooked up to machines, dying with no dignity a slow, drawn out death

    wtf
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    the eighty seven year old had signed a do not resucitate order, so the woman was actually carrying out her wishes,,,,

    otoh, what exactly would all those of you crying about this like to have seen done? at some point, you get old and then you die. youve been brainwashed to think that a preferable alternative would be to live out another few breaths in a state of torture, hooked up to machines, dying with no dignity a slow, drawn out death

    wtf
     
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    Posted: Mar. 5, 2013 - 5:58 PM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by be easy:

    the eighty seven year old had signed a do not resucitate order, so the woman was actually carrying out her wishes,,,,

    otoh, what exactly would all those of you crying about this like to have seen done? at some point, you get old and then you die. youve been brainwashed to think that a preferable alternative would be to live out another few breaths in a state of torture, hooked up to machines, dying with no dignity a slow, drawn out death

    wtf

    Your first sentence is relevant if the nurse was aware of such a thing. If true, based on this new information, why is the hospital defending her actions based on its policy to not adminster CPR? Probably because she acted on the policy order, not the do not resuscitate order.

    Anyhow, your second paragraph is complete joke. Who the hell are you calling the shots as to when an appropriate death age should be? Think before you type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by be easy:

    the eighty seven year old had signed a do not resucitate order, so the woman was actually carrying out her wishes,,,,

    otoh, what exactly would all those of you crying about this like to have seen done? at some point, you get old and then you die. youve been brainwashed to think that a preferable alternative would be to live out another few breaths in a state of torture, hooked up to machines, dying with no dignity a slow, drawn out death

    wtf

    Your first sentence is relevant if the nurse was aware of such a thing. If true, based on this new information, why is the hospital defending her actions based on its policy to not adminster CPR? Probably because she acted on the policy order, not the do not resuscitate order.

    Anyhow, your second paragraph is complete joke. Who the hell are you calling the shots as to when an appropriate death age should be? Think before you type.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 5, 2013 - 6:52 PM ET #20

    easy there scab, dont get your knickers all in a twist because you formed an opinion with incomplete information. obviously, the woman being discussed decided that it was her time to go, hence the dnr she decided to sign.

    youre not alone, people form opinions with incomplete information all the time
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    easy there scab, dont get your knickers all in a twist because you formed an opinion with incomplete information. obviously, the woman being discussed decided that it was her time to go, hence the dnr she decided to sign.

    youre not alone, people form opinions with incomplete information all the time
     
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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2013 - 2:40 AM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by be easy:

    easy there scab, dont get your knickers all in a twist because you formed an opinion with incomplete information. obviously, the woman being discussed decided that it was her time to go, hence the dnr she decided to sign.

    youre not alone, people form opinions with incomplete information all the time

    Uh you are playing the fool here because as of today, the woman did not have a DNR order signed according to Kget-tv and that is all over the web.

    In addition, if she did have a DNR signed, why did the nurse  call 911 and say she couldn't perform CPR but would walk someone through it?

    Again, the nursing home is defending their POLICY, not the DNR order you allege exists. Common sense tells you that their policy made this story otherwise it's a nonissue. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by be easy:

    easy there scab, dont get your knickers all in a twist because you formed an opinion with incomplete information. obviously, the woman being discussed decided that it was her time to go, hence the dnr she decided to sign.

    youre not alone, people form opinions with incomplete information all the time

    Uh you are playing the fool here because as of today, the woman did not have a DNR order signed according to Kget-tv and that is all over the web.

    In addition, if she did have a DNR signed, why did the nurse  call 911 and say she couldn't perform CPR but would walk someone through it?

    Again, the nursing home is defending their POLICY, not the DNR order you allege exists. Common sense tells you that their policy made this story otherwise it's a nonissue. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2013 - 8:28 AM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    If everyone lives their lives afraid of these gdamn lawyers we'd all stay holed up in our homes and never step foot outside. 

    There's a professional reaction and then there is a human reaction. The human reaction to help was called for here regardless of potential lawsuits that could occur because CPR was administered incorrectly.

    Yes, you risk your job to save a life. You may even risk your own life to save a stranger's life in certain cases. That is what it means to be human.

    This is a human LIFE we are talking about here. It's not a gdamn plant you forget to water.

    If I lived by this nursing home, honest to god I'd get a protest in front of it to have every family member transferred out of there or until they changed their policy.

    Disgusting story...
    My respect level for you just went up and it makes me think you really may mean well by some of your ridiculous post. Just value "Their" life more than your own and worry about getting sued later. I would rather live in peace knowing I can do all I can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    If everyone lives their lives afraid of these gdamn lawyers we'd all stay holed up in our homes and never step foot outside. 

    There's a professional reaction and then there is a human reaction. The human reaction to help was called for here regardless of potential lawsuits that could occur because CPR was administered incorrectly.

    Yes, you risk your job to save a life. You may even risk your own life to save a stranger's life in certain cases. That is what it means to be human.

    This is a human LIFE we are talking about here. It's not a gdamn plant you forget to water.

    If I lived by this nursing home, honest to god I'd get a protest in front of it to have every family member transferred out of there or until they changed their policy.

    Disgusting story...
    My respect level for you just went up and it makes me think you really may mean well by some of your ridiculous post. Just value "Their" life more than your own and worry about getting sued later. I would rather live in peace knowing I can do all I can.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2013 - 9:00 AM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by NoWorries21:

    My respect level for you just went up and it makes me think you really may mean well by some of your ridiculous post. Just value "Their" life more than your own and worry about getting sued later. I would rather live in peace knowing I can do all I can.

    No respect for adult human life anymore. And these are the same people who are adamant about being pro life! The real question is, "do you care about a life or death situation outside the womb?", especially when the only consequence involves potential litigation or the breaking of 'policy' when you can save a life.

    Couldn't imagine checking out of this world with a registered NURSE standing over me dialing 911 for help... It's like a scene out of Dumb and Dumber. No one would believe you if they didn't admit it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoWorries21:

    My respect level for you just went up and it makes me think you really may mean well by some of your ridiculous post. Just value "Their" life more than your own and worry about getting sued later. I would rather live in peace knowing I can do all I can.

    No respect for adult human life anymore. And these are the same people who are adamant about being pro life! The real question is, "do you care about a life or death situation outside the womb?", especially when the only consequence involves potential litigation or the breaking of 'policy' when you can save a life.

    Couldn't imagine checking out of this world with a registered NURSE standing over me dialing 911 for help... It's like a scene out of Dumb and Dumber. No one would believe you if they didn't admit it.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2013 - 10:49 AM ET #24

    the woman was eighty seven. she wanted to be left to die in peace with some dignity

    some people actually do value life, not just as some bs statistical metric to quantify it like longevity. when you are old, you die, she didnt want to be resucitated. rip
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    the woman was eighty seven. she wanted to be left to die in peace with some dignity

    some people actually do value life, not just as some bs statistical metric to quantify it like longevity. when you are old, you die, she didnt want to be resucitated. rip
     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2013 - 11:11 AM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by be easy:

    the woman was eighty seven. she wanted to be left to die in peace with some dignity

    some people actually do value life, not just as some bs statistical metric to quantify it like longevity. when you are old, you die, she didnt want to be resucitated. rip

    Damn. You think that's dignity? 

    Dignity while dying in modern terms is in a quiet room in a comfortable bed with loved ones at your side feeling little pain 

    NOT 

    on a cold tile floor or slumped in a wheelchair crapping yourself staring at halogen lights on ceiling feeing like someone ripped your heart out of your chest while hearing a NURSE say she can't do anything for you. You sound like the polcymaker of this place!
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    Quote Originally Posted by be easy:

    the woman was eighty seven. she wanted to be left to die in peace with some dignity

    some people actually do value life, not just as some bs statistical metric to quantify it like longevity. when you are old, you die, she didnt want to be resucitated. rip

    Damn. You think that's dignity? 

    Dignity while dying in modern terms is in a quiet room in a comfortable bed with loved ones at your side feeling little pain 

    NOT 

    on a cold tile floor or slumped in a wheelchair crapping yourself staring at halogen lights on ceiling feeing like someone ripped your heart out of your chest while hearing a NURSE say she can't do anything for you. You sound like the polcymaker of this place!
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