With videos like this (and many much, much worse) coming out almost every day it’s not difficult to see why a growing number of states are trying to make it illegal to film the police.
More and more cops in this country are starting to remind me of Denzel Washington in Training Day.
“We can’t do that.”
“We the po-lice, we can do whatever the fuck we want.”
With videos like this (and many much, much worse) coming out almost every day it’s not difficult to see why a growing number of states are trying to make it illegal to film the police.
More and more cops in this country are starting to remind me of Denzel Washington in Training Day.
“We can’t do that.”
“We the po-lice, we can do whatever the fuck we want.”
While the cop could have ignored her presence, the incident is a total non issue if she simply followed the cops request that she go back in her house. His reasoning for her to do so was lame, that the cops "felt threatened with her standing behind them" … but the fact of the matter is not one of us, not even StraightShooter, Covers resident cop-hater, would appreciate it if we were at work and some stranger followed us around with a camera.
It is so easy to judge others, isn't it? Look at it this way … if any of us had strangers popping up at our jobs filming us for the sole purpose of trying to catch us doing something wrong, whether we had ever done something wrong or not, we would not react to it with a smile and offer the person filming a jello-pop. As a matter of fact, I would imagine most of us would react in an aggressive manner if the person didn't stop filming after we asked them to.
As innocent as some of you will argue that this lady is, being filmed as the cops were, is in itself an act of aggression.
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While the cop could have ignored her presence, the incident is a total non issue if she simply followed the cops request that she go back in her house. His reasoning for her to do so was lame, that the cops "felt threatened with her standing behind them" … but the fact of the matter is not one of us, not even StraightShooter, Covers resident cop-hater, would appreciate it if we were at work and some stranger followed us around with a camera.
It is so easy to judge others, isn't it? Look at it this way … if any of us had strangers popping up at our jobs filming us for the sole purpose of trying to catch us doing something wrong, whether we had ever done something wrong or not, we would not react to it with a smile and offer the person filming a jello-pop. As a matter of fact, I would imagine most of us would react in an aggressive manner if the person didn't stop filming after we asked them to.
As innocent as some of you will argue that this lady is, being filmed as the cops were, is in itself an act of aggression.
While the cop could have ignored her presence, the incident is a total non issue if she simply followed the cops request that she go back in her house. His reasoning for her to do so was lame, that the cops "felt threatened with her standing behind them" … but the fact of the matter is not one of us, not even StraightShooter, Covers resident cop-hater, would appreciate it if we were at work and some stranger followed us around with a camera.
It is so easy to judge others, isn't it? Look at it this way … if any of us had strangers popping up at our jobs filming us for the sole purpose of trying to catch us doing something wrong, whether we had ever done something wrong or not, we would not react to it with a smile and offer the person filming a jello-pop. As a matter of fact, I would imagine most of us would react in an aggressive manner if the person didn't stop filming after we asked them to.
As innocent as some of you will argue that this lady is, being filmed as the cops were, is in itself an act of aggression.
I believe she was on her own property filming the cops. She did not go to any private property or police headquarter filming.
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Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:
While the cop could have ignored her presence, the incident is a total non issue if she simply followed the cops request that she go back in her house. His reasoning for her to do so was lame, that the cops "felt threatened with her standing behind them" … but the fact of the matter is not one of us, not even StraightShooter, Covers resident cop-hater, would appreciate it if we were at work and some stranger followed us around with a camera.
It is so easy to judge others, isn't it? Look at it this way … if any of us had strangers popping up at our jobs filming us for the sole purpose of trying to catch us doing something wrong, whether we had ever done something wrong or not, we would not react to it with a smile and offer the person filming a jello-pop. As a matter of fact, I would imagine most of us would react in an aggressive manner if the person didn't stop filming after we asked them to.
As innocent as some of you will argue that this lady is, being filmed as the cops were, is in itself an act of aggression.
I believe she was on her own property filming the cops. She did not go to any private property or police headquarter filming.
Filming the police is not an act of aggression by law. Anyone can film the police. The issue here is did the cop have the right to order the woman to leave her front yard & go back into her house. Was that a legal order?? In this case he probably does. The cop mentions twice that her feels threatened by here standing there (which is obviously bullshit-he just didn't want to be filmed). But the fact that he actually did say that & she twice ignored his orders for her to move farther back-gave him the right to arrest her. Had the cop have smashed her camera or told her to stop filming-then the cop is clearly wrong. The judge will probably throw out this case anyway.
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Filming the police is not an act of aggression by law. Anyone can film the police. The issue here is did the cop have the right to order the woman to leave her front yard & go back into her house. Was that a legal order?? In this case he probably does. The cop mentions twice that her feels threatened by here standing there (which is obviously bullshit-he just didn't want to be filmed). But the fact that he actually did say that & she twice ignored his orders for her to move farther back-gave him the right to arrest her. Had the cop have smashed her camera or told her to stop filming-then the cop is clearly wrong. The judge will probably throw out this case anyway.
I believe she was on her own property filming the cops. She did not go to any private property or police headquarter filming.
The police work on public property … does that mean it is less aggravating for them to be filmed than if it was done in an office?
If you worked for the highway dept, and were out fixing public roads all day, would you want a stranger standing behind you filming what you were doing for the sole purpose of trying to catch you doing something wrong?
Doesn't matter who you are, or what you do for a living, being filmed is invasive, and will very often lead to a confrontation. As I said previously, filming someone against their will is an act of aggression.
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Quote Originally Posted by PASA818:
I believe she was on her own property filming the cops. She did not go to any private property or police headquarter filming.
The police work on public property … does that mean it is less aggravating for them to be filmed than if it was done in an office?
If you worked for the highway dept, and were out fixing public roads all day, would you want a stranger standing behind you filming what you were doing for the sole purpose of trying to catch you doing something wrong?
Doesn't matter who you are, or what you do for a living, being filmed is invasive, and will very often lead to a confrontation. As I said previously, filming someone against their will is an act of aggression.
I did not watch this video but based on the responses I will play devils advocate here:
I am sure there have been plenty of cases where a cop is doing his thing and questioning / arresting someone and they all of a sudden they get approached / attacked from a person associated with that person. I would assume that they get quite a bit of training / warnings about being aware of their environment.
I used to work in a lab in Dallas and one of the guys that we used to do tests on was a cop and a couple of years ago he and his team were doing a drug bust on a guy they had been targeting for a while. His partner was at the door with some others serving the warrant and the others were all positioned around the perimeter. A lady in a house across the street shot the guy at the door serving the warrant in the head and killed him.
This is way extreme relative to the current story but I can also see how a cop wants to and needs to be in control of the surrounding environment.
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I did not watch this video but based on the responses I will play devils advocate here:
I am sure there have been plenty of cases where a cop is doing his thing and questioning / arresting someone and they all of a sudden they get approached / attacked from a person associated with that person. I would assume that they get quite a bit of training / warnings about being aware of their environment.
I used to work in a lab in Dallas and one of the guys that we used to do tests on was a cop and a couple of years ago he and his team were doing a drug bust on a guy they had been targeting for a while. His partner was at the door with some others serving the warrant and the others were all positioned around the perimeter. A lady in a house across the street shot the guy at the door serving the warrant in the head and killed him.
This is way extreme relative to the current story but I can also see how a cop wants to and needs to be in control of the surrounding environment.
I agree with the cop... As he stated many times he and the other officers do not feel safe with her standing behind them. Then he proceeds to tell her to go into her house...she refuses.
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I agree with the cop... As he stated many times he and the other officers do not feel safe with her standing behind them. Then he proceeds to tell her to go into her house...she refuses.
She wasn't arrested for filming them she was arrested for being too close to the scene and not backing up when asked. Her property overlapped the scene and the space the cops felt they needed to conduct the stop and search. For their safety and hers they asked her to back up and gave her the reason. She thought that by being on her property she could overrule their requests.
If I was driving down the road, came upon a traffic stop, parked and stood amongst them I would understandably be asked to back up.
They never asked her to stop filming they asked her to go inside. She could have continued filming from inside her house.
The cop said something about what she was saying before she started filming being anti police. I don't know if he was trying to cover his ass on tape or if she was pushing their buttons earlier.
I hate cops who abuse their power but I don't have a problem with this. She was trying to start shit and she got it.
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She wasn't arrested for filming them she was arrested for being too close to the scene and not backing up when asked. Her property overlapped the scene and the space the cops felt they needed to conduct the stop and search. For their safety and hers they asked her to back up and gave her the reason. She thought that by being on her property she could overrule their requests.
If I was driving down the road, came upon a traffic stop, parked and stood amongst them I would understandably be asked to back up.
They never asked her to stop filming they asked her to go inside. She could have continued filming from inside her house.
The cop said something about what she was saying before she started filming being anti police. I don't know if he was trying to cover his ass on tape or if she was pushing their buttons earlier.
I hate cops who abuse their power but I don't have a problem with this. She was trying to start shit and she got it.
I can't believe so many people are willing to just give up their rights. There is a difference between a highway worker and a law enforcement officer. Cops have the power to fuck you up for life. The vast majority of Police Officers are honest and hard working, but it just takes one with an agenda/grudge to frame an innocent civilian.
I can't believe so many people are willing to just give up their rights. There is a difference between a highway worker and a law enforcement officer. Cops have the power to fuck you up for life. The vast majority of Police Officers are honest and hard working, but it just takes one with an agenda/grudge to frame an innocent civilian.
I live about 10 minutes away from where this happened, the same lady got arrested previously from trying to stop police from foreclosing a home that the woman hadnt paid her mortgage on in 2 years!
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I live about 10 minutes away from where this happened, the same lady got arrested previously from trying to stop police from foreclosing a home that the woman hadnt paid her mortgage on in 2 years!
While the cop could have ignored her presence, the incident is a total non issue if she simply followed the cops request that she go back in her house. His reasoning for her to do so was lame, that the cops "felt threatened with her standing behind them" … but the fact of the matter is not one of us, not even StraightShooter, Covers resident cop-hater, would appreciate it if we were at work and some stranger followed us around with a camera.
It is so easy to judge others, isn't it? Look at it this way … if any of us had strangers popping up at our jobs filming us for the sole purpose of trying to catch us doing something wrong, whether we had ever done something wrong or not, we would not react to it with a smile and offer the person filming a jello-pop. As a matter of fact, I would imagine most of us would react in an aggressive manner if the person didn't stop filming after we asked them to.
As innocent as some of you will argue that this lady is, being filmed as the cops were, is in itself an act of aggression.
Wrong again. I am a corrupt cop hater. I have nothing against the ones that do their job without acting like they are above the law…which seems to be a shrinking number.
I don’t have a public job that is paid for by public tax dollars and that gives me the power to carry a gun pretty much wherever I want and arrest people for pretty much whatever reason I want.
A thread about people being able to film cops, many of whom are corrupt, and you say “it is so easy to judge others, isn’t it?”
Again, most of us don’t have jobs were we are given guns and the power to arrest people for pretty much whatever we want.
A woman standing on her own property and filming a traffic stop is an act of aggression?
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Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:
While the cop could have ignored her presence, the incident is a total non issue if she simply followed the cops request that she go back in her house. His reasoning for her to do so was lame, that the cops "felt threatened with her standing behind them" … but the fact of the matter is not one of us, not even StraightShooter, Covers resident cop-hater, would appreciate it if we were at work and some stranger followed us around with a camera.
It is so easy to judge others, isn't it? Look at it this way … if any of us had strangers popping up at our jobs filming us for the sole purpose of trying to catch us doing something wrong, whether we had ever done something wrong or not, we would not react to it with a smile and offer the person filming a jello-pop. As a matter of fact, I would imagine most of us would react in an aggressive manner if the person didn't stop filming after we asked them to.
As innocent as some of you will argue that this lady is, being filmed as the cops were, is in itself an act of aggression.
Wrong again. I am a corrupt cop hater. I have nothing against the ones that do their job without acting like they are above the law…which seems to be a shrinking number.
I don’t have a public job that is paid for by public tax dollars and that gives me the power to carry a gun pretty much wherever I want and arrest people for pretty much whatever reason I want.
A thread about people being able to film cops, many of whom are corrupt, and you say “it is so easy to judge others, isn’t it?”
Again, most of us don’t have jobs were we are given guns and the power to arrest people for pretty much whatever we want.
A woman standing on her own property and filming a traffic stop is an act of aggression?
The police work on public property … does that mean it is less aggravating for them to be filmed than if it was done in an office?
If you worked for the highway dept, and were out fixing public roads all day, would you want a stranger standing behind you filming what you were doing for the sole purpose of trying to catch you doing something wrong?
Doesn't matter who you are, or what you do for a living, being filmed is invasive, and will very often lead to a confrontation. As I said previously, filming someone against their will is an act of aggression.
Again, most of us don’t have jobs were we are given guns and the power to arrest people for pretty much whatever reason we want.
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Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:
The police work on public property … does that mean it is less aggravating for them to be filmed than if it was done in an office?
If you worked for the highway dept, and were out fixing public roads all day, would you want a stranger standing behind you filming what you were doing for the sole purpose of trying to catch you doing something wrong?
Doesn't matter who you are, or what you do for a living, being filmed is invasive, and will very often lead to a confrontation. As I said previously, filming someone against their will is an act of aggression.
Again, most of us don’t have jobs were we are given guns and the power to arrest people for pretty much whatever reason we want.
With videos like this (and many much, much worse) coming out almost every day it’s not difficult to see why a growing number of states are trying to make it illegal to film the police.
More and more cops in this country are starting to remind me of Denzel Washington in Training Day.
“We can’t do that.”
“We the po-lice, we can do whatever the fuck we want.”
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Alonzo (played by Denzel Washington) was a thief, a murderer, and a dirty cop who was willing to sacrifice another cops life to get out of a gambling debt...
The officer in this video arrested a woman who was failing to follow police instructions after repeated warnings...
One reminding us of the other shows an alarmist combination of ignorance, naivety, and stupidity.
I'm no lawyer but I do know that (in many areas) the sidewalk is public property whether it's on your property or not... This woman chose to get involved with a police traffic stop and then repeatedly chose to be uncooperative with police requests/instructions... she was argumentative and created a new situation/disturbance in doing so... a whole host of charges could apply.
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Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:
With videos like this (and many much, much worse) coming out almost every day it’s not difficult to see why a growing number of states are trying to make it illegal to film the police.
More and more cops in this country are starting to remind me of Denzel Washington in Training Day.
“We can’t do that.”
“We the po-lice, we can do whatever the fuck we want.”
LINK
Alonzo (played by Denzel Washington) was a thief, a murderer, and a dirty cop who was willing to sacrifice another cops life to get out of a gambling debt...
The officer in this video arrested a woman who was failing to follow police instructions after repeated warnings...
One reminding us of the other shows an alarmist combination of ignorance, naivety, and stupidity.
I'm no lawyer but I do know that (in many areas) the sidewalk is public property whether it's on your property or not... This woman chose to get involved with a police traffic stop and then repeatedly chose to be uncooperative with police requests/instructions... she was argumentative and created a new situation/disturbance in doing so... a whole host of charges could apply.
The funny part is when she starts crying like a little bitch & the end & acting all surprised & questioning why she's being arrested.
If I was the cop, I would've said "Listen you dumb-bitch, I told you 4 times, nicely, to go back in your house let us do our jobs without being disrupted. You chose to be a wise-ass movie maker & now your stupid-ass is going to jail!!"
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The funny part is when she starts crying like a little bitch & the end & acting all surprised & questioning why she's being arrested.
If I was the cop, I would've said "Listen you dumb-bitch, I told you 4 times, nicely, to go back in your house let us do our jobs without being disrupted. You chose to be a wise-ass movie maker & now your stupid-ass is going to jail!!"
Alonzo (played by Denzel Washington) was a thief, a murderer, and a dirty cop who was willing to sacrifice another cops life to get out of a gambling debt...
The officer in this video arrested a woman who was failing to follow police instructions after repeated warnings...
One reminding us of the other shows an alarmist combination of ignorance, naivety, and stupidity.
I'm no lawyer but I do know that (in many areas) the sidewalk is public property whether it's on your property or not... This woman chose to get involved with a police traffic stop and then repeatedly chose to be uncooperative with police requests/instructions... she was argumentative and created a new situation/disturbance in doing so... a whole host of charges could apply.
What the hell are you blathering about? I never said the cop in the video was just like Alonzo. I said more and more cops in the country seem to have then mentality of “we the po-lice, we can do whatever the fuck we want.”
The fact that you think I was saying the cop in the video was just like Alonzo shows your “ignorance, naivety, and stupidity.”
The woman was on her front lawn.
So you have no problem with the police telling a law abiding citizen what they can and cannot do on their own private property and then arresting them for it? I feel sorry for you.
Its sad how not only are some citizens willing to give up their rights and blindly submit to authority, but they decry others who don’t.
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Quote Originally Posted by MrGlue:
Alonzo (played by Denzel Washington) was a thief, a murderer, and a dirty cop who was willing to sacrifice another cops life to get out of a gambling debt...
The officer in this video arrested a woman who was failing to follow police instructions after repeated warnings...
One reminding us of the other shows an alarmist combination of ignorance, naivety, and stupidity.
I'm no lawyer but I do know that (in many areas) the sidewalk is public property whether it's on your property or not... This woman chose to get involved with a police traffic stop and then repeatedly chose to be uncooperative with police requests/instructions... she was argumentative and created a new situation/disturbance in doing so... a whole host of charges could apply.
What the hell are you blathering about? I never said the cop in the video was just like Alonzo. I said more and more cops in the country seem to have then mentality of “we the po-lice, we can do whatever the fuck we want.”
The fact that you think I was saying the cop in the video was just like Alonzo shows your “ignorance, naivety, and stupidity.”
The woman was on her front lawn.
So you have no problem with the police telling a law abiding citizen what they can and cannot do on their own private property and then arresting them for it? I feel sorry for you.
Its sad how not only are some citizens willing to give up their rights and blindly submit to authority, but they decry others who don’t.
Filming the police is not an act of aggression by law. Anyone can film the police. The issue here is did the cop have the right to order the woman to leave her front yard & go back into her house. Was that a legal order?? In this case he probably does. The cop mentions twice that her feels threatened by here standing there (which is obviously bullshit-he just didn't want to be filmed). But the fact that he actually did say that & she twice ignored his orders for her to move farther back-gave him the right to arrest her. Had the cop have smashed her camera or told her to stop filming-then the cop is clearly wrong. The judge will probably throw out this case anyway.
WTF ever happened to our freedom of speech & what not? Also, she was on her own tax paying property. If she gets a good lawyer, I would have a lawsuit waiting for this clown.
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Quote Originally Posted by gold6185:
Filming the police is not an act of aggression by law. Anyone can film the police. The issue here is did the cop have the right to order the woman to leave her front yard & go back into her house. Was that a legal order?? In this case he probably does. The cop mentions twice that her feels threatened by here standing there (which is obviously bullshit-he just didn't want to be filmed). But the fact that he actually did say that & she twice ignored his orders for her to move farther back-gave him the right to arrest her. Had the cop have smashed her camera or told her to stop filming-then the cop is clearly wrong. The judge will probably throw out this case anyway.
WTF ever happened to our freedom of speech & what not? Also, she was on her own tax paying property. If she gets a good lawyer, I would have a lawsuit waiting for this clown.
The funny part is when she starts crying like a little bitch & the end & acting all surprised & questioning why she's being arrested.
If I was the cop, I would've said "Listen you dumb-bitch, I told you 4 times, nicely, to go back in your house let us do our jobs without being disrupted. You chose to be a wise-ass movie maker & now your stupid-ass is going to jail!!"
If I was the woman I would wait until my lawsuit money came in, buy a new car, and then drive by the officer that arrested me and say “hey you dumb cocksucker, thanks for choosing to violate my civil rights and now your stupid-ass is responsible for your department having to shell out yet another lawsuit payout!!”
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Quote Originally Posted by captaincredit:
The funny part is when she starts crying like a little bitch & the end & acting all surprised & questioning why she's being arrested.
If I was the cop, I would've said "Listen you dumb-bitch, I told you 4 times, nicely, to go back in your house let us do our jobs without being disrupted. You chose to be a wise-ass movie maker & now your stupid-ass is going to jail!!"
If I was the woman I would wait until my lawsuit money came in, buy a new car, and then drive by the officer that arrested me and say “hey you dumb cocksucker, thanks for choosing to violate my civil rights and now your stupid-ass is responsible for your department having to shell out yet another lawsuit payout!!”
What the hell are you blathering about? I never said the cop in the video was just like Alonzo. I said more and more cops in the country seem to have then mentality of “we the po-lice, we can do whatever the fuck we want.”
The fact that you think I was saying the cop in the video was just like Alonzo shows your “ignorance, naivety, and stupidity.”
The woman was on her front lawn.
So you have no problem with the police telling a law abiding citizen what they can and cannot do on their own private property and then arresting them for it? I feel sorry for you.
Its sad how not only are some citizens willing to give up their rights and blindly submit to authority, but they decry others who don’t.
My bad... I assumed that your comments in the OP (cops reminding you of Training Day) were some how related to the video you posted in the OP that had cops in it.
It didn't occur to me that someone would make comments about "cops in this country" and then post a video link of a police traffic stop (by "cops in this country") without intending a correlation...
I apologize for being so stupid.
At one point the arresting officer mentions she is on the sidewalk... As I mentioned before, in many areas, the sidewalk is public property. If you do something that attracts police attention on public property, you can't just step back into your yard and be immune to police involvement.
What I do (or do not) have a problem with simply doesn't matter...
The police in the video felt that this woman was NOT abiding the law (interfering with police business, failure to follow police instructions, creating a disturbance, etc...) and they arrested her for it.
I'm not sure whether the police were "right" or "wrong"... a judge will decide that for us in accordance with our laws... IF we don't like what our laws have to say about it, then we can work to change them, but we shouldn't do it by arguing with the police.
If we did decide to do that, we might get arrested, and then start crying... because we realized how stupid we were to get involved in the first place.
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Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:
What the hell are you blathering about? I never said the cop in the video was just like Alonzo. I said more and more cops in the country seem to have then mentality of “we the po-lice, we can do whatever the fuck we want.”
The fact that you think I was saying the cop in the video was just like Alonzo shows your “ignorance, naivety, and stupidity.”
The woman was on her front lawn.
So you have no problem with the police telling a law abiding citizen what they can and cannot do on their own private property and then arresting them for it? I feel sorry for you.
Its sad how not only are some citizens willing to give up their rights and blindly submit to authority, but they decry others who don’t.
My bad... I assumed that your comments in the OP (cops reminding you of Training Day) were some how related to the video you posted in the OP that had cops in it.
It didn't occur to me that someone would make comments about "cops in this country" and then post a video link of a police traffic stop (by "cops in this country") without intending a correlation...
I apologize for being so stupid.
At one point the arresting officer mentions she is on the sidewalk... As I mentioned before, in many areas, the sidewalk is public property. If you do something that attracts police attention on public property, you can't just step back into your yard and be immune to police involvement.
What I do (or do not) have a problem with simply doesn't matter...
The police in the video felt that this woman was NOT abiding the law (interfering with police business, failure to follow police instructions, creating a disturbance, etc...) and they arrested her for it.
I'm not sure whether the police were "right" or "wrong"... a judge will decide that for us in accordance with our laws... IF we don't like what our laws have to say about it, then we can work to change them, but we shouldn't do it by arguing with the police.
If we did decide to do that, we might get arrested, and then start crying... because we realized how stupid we were to get involved in the first place.
I agree with the cop... As he stated many times he and the other officers do not feel safe with her standing behind them. Then he proceeds to tell her to go into her house...she refuses.
What kind of a threat exactly is she posing to them? She's going to sneak up from behind and bash all of them with her camera WWE style?
They've got the guns and outnumbered her. And she's on her own yard- private property. So what exactly did she do that warranted such? Refusing to obey an unlawful order is not a crime.
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Quote Originally Posted by chilitokid:
I agree with the cop... As he stated many times he and the other officers do not feel safe with her standing behind them. Then he proceeds to tell her to go into her house...she refuses.
What kind of a threat exactly is she posing to them? She's going to sneak up from behind and bash all of them with her camera WWE style?
They've got the guns and outnumbered her. And she's on her own yard- private property. So what exactly did she do that warranted such? Refusing to obey an unlawful order is not a crime.
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