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Posted: #401
Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

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If A then B. If B then C. Therefore, if A then C.


God created people. People created evil. Therefore, god created evil.

Where did I go wrong?
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Here is where you went wrong
 
God created people. People created evil. God punishes evil and so if God punishes evil, He did not create evil because people created evil.
 
 

LOL AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
I can't believe you didn't rip him first System LOL
 
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System, you still dont get it, nobody that believes in God can prove he exists, just like you cant prove he doesnt exist.

So go right ahead believing what some human scientist tells you to believe, thats your choice.

I guess you dont understand that God made the world without proof exists, so that each person would have to figure for themselves if they want to believe.  Remember if there was proof he existed, then you can bet your ass that every single person in the world would believe without a doubt, but God didnt want our world to be like that. This is why all the signs are out there, you just have to put them together to get your answer.

But if you believe everything formed from that 1 single cell, thats your choice.  Personally i dont believe that


This is one of the more intelligent posts from a believer and it encapsulates exactly why it is absolutely ridiculous to believe in god. I have highlighted the reasons.
 
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The bible is very clear that his God is the author of evil.

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No as I have said in my previous post God is not the author of evil. God punishes evil!

Are you having trouble comprehending what I post, I'm using simple plain english that even a 3rd grader could understand...lol

Now go back and take your time and read my previous post again...and maybe just maybe this time you will understand it and accept the explanation.


 
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sir john drake posted:

God is not the author of evil

John you are nailed on this one.....Isaiah 45:7 says your god "created evil" ...that makes him the author.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

System, you still dont get it, nobody that believes in God can prove he exists, just like you cant prove he doesnt exist.

So go right ahead believing what some human scientist tells you to believe, thats your choice.

I guess you dont understand that God made the world without proof exists, so that each person would have to figure for themselves if they want to believe.  Remember if there was proof he existed, then you can bet your ass that every single person in the world would believe without a doubt, but God didnt want our world to be like that. This is why all the signs are out there, you just have to put them together to get your answer.

But if you believe everything formed from that 1 single cell, thats your choice.  Personally i dont believe that


no, you still don't get it, or maybe you do...that's why you won't answer my question...do you need to prove that their isn't a little invisible man living on my shoulder???????

and I don't need to "BELIEVE" what scientist "tell" me, because they have a thing called evidence...
 
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LOL AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
I can't believe you didn't rip him first System LOL

he pretty much rips himself every time he doesn't cuts and pastes

god created people. people created evil. god punishes evil. so god doesn't like evil. so god didn't create evil because people created evil. can you understand 3rd grade english?
 
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Who gives a shit?

What's for lunch?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


he pretty much rips himself every time he doesn't cuts and pastes

god created people. people created evil. god punishes evil. so god doesn't like evil. so god didn't create evil because people created evil. can you understand 3rd grade english?

cut and paste 
 
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Quote Posted by cr:

The context of Isaiah 45:7 makes it clear that something other than "bringing moral evil into existence" is in mind. (here is a prime example of altering the text!)

The Bible is clear: God is not the author of evil

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Nobody is altering the text. It is just that we Christians are interpreting the text the right way and atheist like you seem to always misinterpret the text.

Misinterpretations happens alot when atheists like you haven't read or studied the entire Holy Bible to fully understand what our loving heavenly Father is really about.

And so misinterpretations come about very frequently. My suggestion to you is that if you're going to be a skeptic first read and study the whole entire Holy Bible.

 
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Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian

 

 
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
 
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
 
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
 
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
 
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
 
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
 
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering.  And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

 
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
 
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers.  You consider that to be evidence that prayer works.  And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
 
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

Quote Posted by cr:

The context of Isaiah 45:7 makes it clear that something other than "bringing moral evil into existence" is in mind. (here is a prime example of altering the text!)

The Bible is clear: God is not the author of evil

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Nobody is altering the text. It is just that we Christians are interpreting the text the right way and atheist like you seem to always misinterpret the text.

Misinterpretations happens alot when atheists like you haven't read or studied the entire Holy Bible to fully understand what our loving heavenly Father is really about.

And so misinterpretations come about very frequently. My suggestion to you is that if you're going to be a skeptic first read and study the whole entire Holy Bible.


reeeeally, and which christians are you talking about? and when did you become the authority on right or wrong interpretation of the bible? did you get a degree in it? please stop, I'm begging you...for your own sake
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:

Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian

 

 
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
 
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
 
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
 
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
 
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
 
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
 
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering.  And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

 
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
 
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers.  You consider that to be evidence that prayer works.  And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
 
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

 
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System, your the one who doesnt get it. No scientist in the world can prove God doesnt exist. It doesnt matter what they discover, the question will always be the same, theres no way they can prove what they discover wasnt created by God.

Dont you understand neither side can prove their belief.

Like i said in an earlier post, if there is a math problem on a test, for example 2 + 2.  The teacher can grade the answers to that question with 100 percent proof that the answer is 4

Sorry but scientists dont have super human powers.

I believe God exists, but i have zero way to prove it.

But whats funny is how you non believers think you have proof God doesnt exist, because another human told you that

Please show me all this man made proof and all the proof you show me, then show me proof God didnt create all the proof you are going to show me.

I expect to hear crickets from you

 
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Hutch,

I get mad about that very stuff you posted, everytime i see a crazy story like that.  I always say why.

But thru the years i have come to realize that there is 2 answers to that

1. God doesnt really exist and thats why the evil stuff isnt being stopped

or

2.God exists and doesnt want to interfere. He wants us humans to solve this. He wants us to become better humans on our own.  Because if he just controlled everything that happened on earth, what would be the purpose of even creating it, in the first place?

 

This is just my opinion thou.  Hopefully i endup being right, but if not, it wont be the first time i was wrong.

Like i have said, when i just look around at everything, including how our bodies work, like the heart, i gotta believe somebody somehow created it all.

look at how blood is used to solve crimes and how that substance is next to impossible to hide.

cd

 
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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

CD, your the one who doesnt get it. No scientist in the world can prove the little invisible man on my shoulder doesnt exist. It doesnt matter what they discover, the question will always be the same, theres no way they can prove what they discover wasnt created by the little invisible man on my shoulder.

Dont you understand neither side can prove their belief.

Like i said in an earlier post, if there is a math problem on a test, for example 2 + 2.  The teacher can grade the answers to that question with 100 percent proof that the answer is 4

Sorry but scientists dont have super human powers.

I believe the little invisible man on my shoulder exists, but i have zero way to prove it.

But whats funny is how you non believers think you have proof the little invisible man on my shoulder doesnt exist, because another human told you that

Please show me all this man made proof and all the proof you show me, then show me proof the little invisible man on my shoulder didnt create all the proof you are going to show me.

I expect to hear crickets from you


fixed it for you
 
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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

System, your the one who doesnt get it. No scientist in the world can prove God doesnt exist. It doesnt matter what they discover, the question will always be the same, theres no way they can prove what they discover wasnt created by God.

Dont you understand neither side can prove their belief.

Like i said in an earlier post, if there is a math problem on a test, for example 2 + 2.  The teacher can grade the answers to that question with 100 percent proof that the answer is 4

Sorry but scientists dont have super human powers.

I believe God exists, but i have zero way to prove it.

But whats funny is how you non believers think you have proof God doesnt exist, because another human told you that

Please show me all this man made proof and all the proof you show me, then show me proof God didnt create all the proof you are going to show me.

I expect to hear crickets from you



Sorry, can't you read? It's not up to non believers to prove your god exists. It's up to you. If I believe in Santa Claus and you say to me "prove he exists" - I can just say "No, you prove he doesn't exist!".
Understand this - you make a claim that god exsist. I am not denying you have these delusions - but I am not claiming anything so it's up to you to prove your god exists.

You wrote: "I guess you dont understand that God made the world without proof exists, so that each person would have to figure for themselves if they want to believe.  Remember if there was proof he existed, then you can bet your ass that every single person in the world would believe without a doubt, but God didnt want our world to be like that. This is why all the signs are out there, you just have to put them together to get your answer."

How do you know? God told you? Where does it say your god doesn't want our world to be like that? Why are Christians poisoning the world with their nonsense? Why are Christians telling people in Africa to stop using condoms? Knowing 70% of the AIDS infected come from that part of the world? Your god behind this too?

Why is it only 30% of the world's population who know you god? 5 billion people don't know or don't want to know about Jesus - why is that?
Oh, your god wants it like this.

I believe in Santa Claus - can you prove he doesn't exist?
I talk to him regularly - especially around X-mass.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

System, your the one who doesnt get it. No scientist in the world can prove God doesnt exist. It doesnt matter what they discover, the question will always be the same, theres no way they can prove what they discover wasnt created by God.

Dont you understand neither side can prove their belief.

Like i said in an earlier post, if there is a math problem on a test, for example 2 + 2.  The teacher can grade the answers to that question with 100 percent proof that the answer is 4

Sorry but scientists dont have super human powers.

I believe God exists, but i have zero way to prove it.

But whats funny is how you non believers think you have proof God doesnt exist, because another human told you that

Please show me all this man made proof and all the proof you show me, then show me proof God didnt create all the proof you are going to show me.

I expect to hear crickets from you


They do not have to disprove anything. The natural belief is that everything that exists was created within the laws of physics. If you wanna make an absurd claim that a being exists that created everything, then you must prove that claim. WE DO NOT HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING.
 
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Quote Posted by cd:

System, your the one who doesnt get it. No scientist in the world can prove God doesnt exist. It doesnt matter what they discover, the question will always be the same, theres no way they can prove what they discover wasnt created by God.

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He gets it...it's just that he's being his usual self..being silly and acting childish but then again maybe he doesn't get it because he's an ignorant, silly, child...

relax...sometimes you just got to have some fun...lol

 
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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

Hutch,

I get mad about that very stuff you posted, everytime i see a crazy story like that.  I always say why.

But thru the years i have come to realize that there is 2 answers to that

1. God doesnt really exist and thats why the evil stuff isnt being stopped

or

2.God exists and doesnt want to interfere. He wants us humans to solve this. He wants us to become better humans on our own.  Because if he just controlled everything that happened on earth, what would be the purpose of even creating it, in the first place?

 

This is just my opinion thou.  Hopefully i endup being right, but if not, it wont be the first time i was wrong.

Like i have said, when i just look around at everything, including how our bodies work, like the heart, i gotta believe somebody somehow created it all.

look at how blood is used to solve crimes and how that substance is next to impossible to hide.

cd


this is what gets me. man has this idea of god and believe it has human characteristics, as if one day this god said to itself (because it was soooo bored) I am going to create this universe and create people to see how they will deal with life and if they will believe in me so they can know me forever...but if they don't, I will punish and torture them for eternity  
does this sound like something that would be important to a "god" or to humans?
and people can't understand why I don't believe.  too funny to me...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

Quote Posted by cd:

System, your the one who doesnt get it. No scientist in the world can prove God doesnt exist. It doesnt matter what they discover, the question will always be the same, theres no way they can prove what they discover wasnt created by God.

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He gets it...it's just that he's being his usual self..being silly and acting childish but then again maybe he doesn't get it because he's an ignorant, silly, child...

relax...sometimes you just got to have some fun...lol


what's the matter sjd? getting mad? 

 
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Nobody is altering the text. It is just that we Christians are interpreting the text the right way and atheist like you seem to always misinterpret the text.
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If I was a fervent believer in God, I'd want SJD off my side.  
 
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Nobody is altering the text. It is just that we Christians are interpreting the text the right way and atheist like you seem to always misinterpret the text.
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If I was a fervent believer in God, I'd want SJD off my side.  

he is the poster child for not believing  
 
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Which is why I do credit Rostos for at least trying lol
 
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Quote Posted by hutch:

Can create heaven and earth, but can't prevent a father from killing his 3 girls?  Why can't He?

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Because He has given everyone of us free will to choose between doing righteousness or evil...sadly some people choose to do evil.

But if they keep it up and go through their entire  lives without repenting, not asking for forgiveness and not accepting Jesus Christ as their Lord Savior they will be judged, then punished by God for all eternity in hell as written in the scriptures.

Lastly what do you want Him to do...string us along like puppets? Or zap us everytime we think of doing something evil... or give us a lolipop everytime we think of doing something that is righteous?...lol

that won't be a fun way of living our short lives here on earth...now would it?

 

 

 
 
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Hey RJ, why dont you read all my posts or maybe learn how to read them.

I have stated over and over again that i dont have proof God exists and that my beliefs are just my opinion of how i see the world. I believe somebody created all of this and am not trying to get you or anybody else to have my beliefs, thats up to you.

But dont blow smoke up my ass with this bullshit God doesnt exist because theres no proof, because you cant prove he doesnt exist and i dont give a shit how many scientists tell you God doesnt exist, that still isnt proof.

Its amazing how you non believers just cant accept the fact that no human on this planet can prove if God exists or doesnt exist.

Now go and keep getting your info from steven hawkins, whos really just made at God because hes in a damn wheel chair.

 

Also stop confusing religion and what the churches are telling people with God existing.  I think all the religions are a scam to make money and have power, but i still believe somebody created this earth.  So really drop the religion and aids shit, because thats 2 differnt subjects.

I dont have the answers, but its pretty damn arrogant of you to think, you are right and iam so wrong.

Like i have said all along, each person, including those 5 billion you talk about can have what ever beliefs you want, but we still dont know whos right.

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