Proof that there is no god.

Quote Posted by kitty:

No. Whenever someone makes a claim that defies the laws of the natural world, the burden is on that person. System and I are not making a claim that defies the laws of the natural world. Our belief can be true based on our natural laws. Yours cannot. Therefore, burden of proof is on you. Our position is not making a claim, it is the absence of a claim.

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De ja vu again...lol I know you said the same thing on those two other threads where the discussions were about religion...remember?

We have given many evidences but of course if those evidences are not sufficient enough for you so be it.

I mean what do you want? Do you want God to come visit you one night just before you go to bed to tuck you in and have chocolate chip cookies and milk and have Him tell you about old biblical stories of the past? Show you a few miracles?

Is that the kind of evidence you want?...such arrogance to think out of the hundreds of billions of people who ever lived on this earth, He would come to visit you to have chocolate chip cookies and milk....lol

Quote Posted by Hutch:

understand free will, but have you ever heard of a psychopath? They cannot be rehabilitated. They just aren't wired right and they will never change.

How can God be capable of "wiring the universe" right (as you said, something this spectacular (life...the earth...the planets) can't just be random. Yet he allows psychopaths to roam the earth and commit acts like this?

I know the easy answer.....God always has a plan for each of us. Really? The plan for these three girls was for them to systematically murdered by their own father? Seriously?

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Very tragic & sad story about those three young sisters murdered by their dad. My heart goes out to the mother and the rest of the relatives.

Let me try to say a few things to explain this evil that goes on and on. 

The world is as Jesus predicted. Jesus said, "In this world you will have trouble;" Evil was not created or caused by God.

The Bible is clear: God is not the author of evil. But he did create us as real human beings with the ability to love and follow him … or not. Unfortunately we chose the "not," and brought sin and evil into the picture.

The cause behind most suffering is human. While it doesn't remove the pain, it can be important to remind people who are tempted to shake their fists at God for the suffering in the world that the vast majority of human pain has been inflicted directly or indirectly by other humans.

We live in a fallen world. There is also suffering due to what some call "natural evil" – pain that results from events and disasters that are not caused by humans.

The Bible shows, however, that these are the result of the curse we live under due to human sin – see Genesis 3 and Romans 8.

God will finally judge evil. Some people criticize God (or those who believe in him), saying, "A good God would eradicate evil."

My question for those folks is, "Okay, are you ready to be eradicated, since you – like me – are to some degree evil?"

Seriously, I'm glad that, although God will judge and wipe out evil, he's chosen not to yet, out of patience for us and for our friends (2 Pet. 3:9).

God suffered too. It's easy to forget that the Holy God of the universe chose, out of love, to humble Himself, become one of us, and ultimately to suffer in ways none of us every will (or ever could imagine) in order to purchase our redemption (Phil. 2).

As a result, he can not only forgive our sins and freely give us salvation, but also sympathize with all we're going through (Heb. 4:14-16).

God can bring good out of bad. Though this truth is often bantered about in ways that are insensitive to the person who is suffering, it is still true that while bad things happen to God's people, he promises that he'll bring good – sooner or later – out of everything we experience (Rom. 8:28).

Quote Posted by CR:

(Isaiah 45:7, KJV) - "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

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Isaiah 45:7 in the King James Version does read, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

How does Isaiah 45:7 agree with the view that God did not create evil? There are two key facts that need to be considered. (1) The word translated "evil" is from a Hebrew word that means "adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, misery." Notice how the other major English Bible translations render the word: "disaster" (NIV, HCSB), "calamity" (NKJV, NAS, ESV), and "woe" (NRSV).

The Hebrew word can refer to moral evil, and often does have this meaning in the Hebrew Scriptures. However, due to the diversity of possible definitions, it is unwise to assume that "I create evil" in Isaiah 45:7 refers to God bringing moral evil into existence.

The context of Isaiah 45:7 makes it clear that something other than "bringing moral evil into existence" is in mind.

The context of Isaiah 45:7 is God rewarding Israel for obedience and punishing Israel for disobedience.

 God pours out salvation and blessings on those whom He favors. God brings judgment on those who continue to rebel against Him.

"Woe to him who quarrels with his Master" (Isaiah 45:9). That is the person to whom God brings "evil" and "disaster."

So, rather than saying that God created "moral evil,"Isaiah 45:7 is presenting a common theme of Scripture – that God brings disaster on those who continue in hard-hearted rebellion against Him.

In summary God is not the author of evil.