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#151
Oh look kitty is back again...lol
The Lord is pursuing you kk. Does this mean you won't post on this thread anymore?
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Proof that there is no god.
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#153
Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:
Quote Posted by Hutch:
But the question remains, if something can NOT come from nothing, how was God created?
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God was not created, He always existed, He is eternal, He has no beginning or no end.
This is what baffles the non believers but once you can accept and understand this, then you will be on your way into believing in God Almighty the Creator. 
Eternal? How can anything be eternal? There has to be a start a a finish to everything.
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#154
My "quote" button isn't working, must be part of god's plan I guess...but to respond to post #150 (Kitty)...all I can say is: exactly.
Now god is "pursuing" us? WTF? Where does this craziness end? Everything we (the non-believers) rant about is all based on observable facts. Every-single-thing that Drake or whoever else posts is just some wacky commentary on a retarded blurb that some half demented maniac scribbled down somewhere.
"GOD must exist because when I was taking a shit at the bar the other day (I know, nobody takes dumps at bars) somebody had scratched 'HE is almighty' on the bathroom stall door...more proof for you sinners that HE is out there and HE will find you!"
So...there is a creepy old man with a flowing white beard who hides in the clouds, has NEVER revealed himself, doesn't answer prayers (at least he didn't for the millions starving to death in concentration camps), plays mind games by hinting that he exists in the complexities of nature, but is also secretly pursuing me...do I have that all right? Why would anyone sign up for that silliness? So basically god is an egomanical bastard who gets his thrills by tricking you into believing in him or sending you to hell if you don't?
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#155
Question for the believers: If tomorrow, a homeless shit-covered bum walked up to you preaching that he was a prophet of god and Jesus, and handing you scribbles that he made on the back of a car wash flyer that he claims is the word of god....um, do you believe him? If you do, then you're completely crazy. And if you don't, then why not? How come his ranting isn't valid, yet the ranting of some bum from 417AD is? How come you get to pick and choose the validity of what various people througout history have rambled about?
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#156
Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:
You expect "skeptics" in the year 100 to be reading the Gospels? Where would they get a copy to read? DId they have bookstores back then?
Very early Christianity was very secretive, because you would be tortured and put to death if you were found out to be a Christian, or would lose your ROman Citizenship if you had it. The Romans were feeding Christians to the wild beasts in the Coloseum.
They didnt even have to read it....Society was changing rapidly. You could almost say that Christianity was polarizing society to an extent. People were changing their lives based on what happened. You didnt have to read the Gospels to see what was happening...
Dare i say, their would be some skeptics who would have to have investigated what was going on and logically If all what had happened was BS, then not only would this have been passed down verbally, but somewhere along the line, would have been documented to prevent furture generations from following this and in effect save future generations.
Yet, we see nothing. I personally find this very very strange considering how much what happened transformed sociey.
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#158
Quote Originally Posted by AgentCooper:
I know, SYSTEM, I think I'm done ranting, I can't keep it up anymore.
Usually people believing in whatever they want doesn't bother me. Hell, I have family members who are very religious and we just don't talk about it. But every now and then these believers just irritate the fuck out of you.
Before my kid was born this guy I work with was trying to tell me my wife shouldn't have the c-section she wanted and should let everything be natural because that's 'god's way.' What fuckin balls, really. THAT's the kind of stunt these people pull that get common sense thinkers like myself so annoyed. Just shut the fuck up and keep your superstitions to yourself.
Dont we live in a society of free speach? Isnt everyone allowed to have an opinion?
Are they physically harming you?
Tolerance......
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#159
Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
The argument has generally been that something can't be created from nothing (ie. the big bang theory). When applied to God, the argument generally goes, "well, that's part of the supernatural." Well, doesn't the supernatural have to be created from something? And isn't it possible that some supernatural cause created all of the universes?
The argument has generally been that something can't be created from nothing (ie. the big bang theory). When applied to God, the argument generally goes, "well, that's part of the supernatural." Well, doesn't the supernatural have to be created from something? And isn't it possible that some supernatural cause created all of the universes?
And if God created the universe (or all universes), what is the purpose of all of the other planets. There is no life on them. No human will ever see Pluto.
But the question remains, if something can NOT come from nothing, how was God created?
The question of who created God cannot be asked, simply because if you do so, it means that you are applying causality laws that we see and understand in our naturalistic realm ALSO apply to that outside it...You dont have a basis to make that assumption, therefore, the question cannot be asked....
Picture a human being that has never been in the ocean/water before....
What you are trying to say is...the laws of buoyancy and viscosity that we know and experience out of the water, are the same in the water.....
Well, once you go into the water, you will find out that its not the same...
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#160
Quote Originally Posted by AgentCooper:
Lol...wow, now I just think you're insane dude.
And the only thing that "baffles" me is how you'd cling to an outdated and foolish fairy tale that was invented by men, written by men, and passed down thru history by men.
Does that mean that every single person that lived on the planet prior to Jesus is now burning in hell with a pitchfork up their ass? That hardly seems fair...
How do you know that when you die you won't be greeted by Ra, the Egyptian sun god? That religion was around far far longer than Christi-insanity.
From someone who said "Something can come from nothing".
How is Christianity outdated? Dont murder, steal , lie or rape? Yep, they are outdated.......
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#161
Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:
system, this sounds a lot like another internet religion that was started here on covers. we don't even have our tax exempt status approval and we already have copycat religions. i told you this AgentKlondor guy was trouble.
system, this sounds a lot like another internet religion that was started here on covers. we don't even have our tax exempt status approval and we already have copycat religions. i told you this AgentKlondor guy was trouble.
Why are charities around the world allowed to have tax exemptions YET, the catholic church whose MAJOR function is charitable works shouldnt be allowed that status?
Why the bias and hatred?
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#162
Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
Eternal? How can anything be eternal? There has to be a start a a finish to everything.
Again, here you go again trying to apply laws of our naturalistic realm to that outside it...
Why dont you ask, "how can God go without food and water for so long? no being can survive that long without food and water"...You keep equivocating...
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#163
Quote Originally Posted by AgentCooper:
Question for the believers: If tomorrow, a homeless shit-covered bum walked up to you preaching that he was a prophet of god and Jesus, and handing you scribbles that he made on the back of a car wash flyer that he claims is the word of god....um, do you believe him? If you do, then you're completely crazy. And if you don't, then why not? How come his ranting isn't valid, yet the ranting of some bum from 417AD is? How come you get to pick and choose the validity of what various people througout history have rambled about?
Question for the believers: If tomorrow, a homeless shit-covered bum walked up to you preaching that he was a prophet of god and Jesus, and handing you scribbles that he made on the back of a car wash flyer that he claims is the word of god....um, do you believe him? If you do, then you're completely crazy. And if you don't, then why not? How come his ranting isn't valid, yet the ranting of some bum from 417AD is? How come you get to pick and choose the validity of what various people througout history have rambled about?
What the ? Dude, you are just embarressing yourself...seriously, big time...your posts make no sense at all, completely irrational, full of ad hominems, emotional hatred...
Nothing you have said is any argument against God's existence..
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#164
Good point Rostos...I guess if a harmless old woman walked up to me and advised me to boil my daughter in acid I should be tolerant and give serious consideration to her suggestion...
And that whole "things were changing rapidly at that time" argument is bogus. It's the same reason that nonsense like Scientology comes into being. Hopeless people looking desperately for some answer to life's mysteries take the easy way out and assume it's just too complex, it has to have a creator. I completely agree that Christianity had like a wildfire effect, it spread fast and quick and everywhere, but so what? That doesn't mean it's true. You're only looking at a tiny tiny fraction of time for human beings. Give it another 2,000 years and it will have morphed into something else. And that is because humans will always tweak and manipulate religion to suit them at that given time.
Christ I can't wait for artificial intelligence to just dominate this planet already. I'd rather have SkyNet wipe us all out and replace wacky religions with cold, efficient, logical binary code.
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#165
Here is a question for non believers...
A central part of our Christian belief is the fall. Ie, mans rejection of God. Since this, humans and their gene code have been corrupted, ie, our gene code is not perfect, hence diseases etc etc.
Humans since have come out with all sorts of deformities since ...
Science has also made many cures to these diseases....
Hypothetically, if a part of the gene that was repsonsible for believing in God was found, and you (non believers) found that yours was corrupted (as any other gene code could), and science found a drug to cure this, resulting in you believing...would you take it? 
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#166
Quote Originally Posted by AgentCooper:
Good point Rostos...I guess if a harmless old woman walked up to me and advised me to boil my daughter in acid I should be tolerant and give serious consideration to her suggestion...
Dude, seriously, what is wrong with you? What does this have to do with anything?
And that whole "things were changing rapidly at that time" argument is bogus. It's the same reason that nonsense like Scientology comes into being. Hopeless people looking desperately for some answer to life's mysteries take the easy way out and assume it's just too complex, it has to have a creator. I completely agree that Christianity had like a wildfire effect, it spread fast and quick and everywhere, but so what? That doesn't mean it's true. You're only looking at a tiny tiny fraction of time for human beings. Give it another 2,000 years and it will have morphed into something else. And that is because humans will always tweak and manipulate religion to suit them at that given time.
So, you deny the explosion of churches? Persecution of Gospel and Christ followers, polarization of society? Dude, do some homework first. 2000 years time? Just like many people said the bible wouldnt last this long, they are wrong..
Christ I can't wait for artificial intelligence to just dominate this planet already. I'd rather have SkyNet wipe us all out and replace wacky religions with cold, efficient, logical binary code.
How is that something from nothing example coming along?
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Posted:
#167
Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:
Here is a question for non believers...
A central part of our Christians belief is the fall. Ie, mans rejection of God. Since this, humans and their gene code have been corrupted, ie, our gene code is not perfect, hence diseases etc etc.
Humans since have come out with all sorts of deformities since ...
Science has also made many cures to these diseases....
Hypothetically, if a part of the gene that was repsonsible for believing in God was found, and you (non believers) found that yours was corrupted (as any other gene code could), and science found a drug to cure this, resulting in you believing...would you take it?
Agreed.
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#168
wtf are you talking about bro? For real, I have no idea what you're trying to say. Do you mean that if a scientist found that part of the cure for cancer is believing in Santa Claus, would I then turn to believing in Santa Claus to ward off cancer? Yes, I would...but that bitch better bring me some dope presents then.
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#170
Quote Originally Posted by AgentCooper:
wtf are you talking about bro? For real, I have no idea what you're trying to say. Do you mean that if a scientist found that part of the cure for cancer is believing in Santa Claus, would I then turn to believing in Santa Claus to ward off cancer? Yes, I would...but that bitch better bring me some dope presents then.
wtf are you talking about bro? For real, I have no idea what you're trying to say. Do you mean that if a scientist found that part of the cure for cancer is believing in Santa Claus, would I then turn to believing in Santa Claus to ward off cancer? Yes, I would...but that bitch better bring me some dope presents then.
You have some real issues bud, real issues....
I feel sorry for you....
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#171
If science discovered that the fact that nonbelievers don't believe in god was a scientific problem; a corruption of an otherwise healthy cell or gene or whatever; and then had a pill to fix that, thus establishing that i would believe in god, yes 100% id take it, because that would be scientific evidence that god exists.
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#172
Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:
If science discovered that the fact that nonbelievers don't believe in god was a scientific problem; a corruption of an otherwise healthy cell or gene or whatever; and then had a pill to fix that, thus establishing that i would believe in god, yes 100% id take it, because that would be scientific evidence that god exists.
If science discovered that the fact that nonbelievers don't believe in god was a scientific problem; a corruption of an otherwise healthy cell or gene or whatever; and then had a pill to fix that, thus establishing that i would believe in god, yes 100% id take it, because that would be scientific evidence that god exists.
Ok , so unless science says that God exists, you wont believe?
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#174
I have no real beef with god. He is in the same category as Santa Claus or whatever.
The beef is with people who think they have THE truth, who impose it on other people etc.
So why do people even discuss the existence of god?
I loathe the version of god which Rostos and Drake represent. That god is fear, ignorance and hatred.
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