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tillyo

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Posted: Dec. 13, 2010 - 9:29 PM ET #1501

I need you to explain how a northern approach is possible.

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swahili

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2010 - 1:05 AM ET #1502

smdio -- i'm trying to find you on facebook is your first name mohamoud or abdul?

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SurfApe

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2010 - 1:29 AM ET #1503

Pissed off muslims- planes- hijacking- crashes- lots of death and jet fuel burning = 911. This guy is a disgrace to Duke and our nation. Run your moronic steel not melting shit by the structural engineers in the research triangle and they will punch you in the throat if they don't die from laughter first. If your father really died on that day, you dishonor his memory with your conspiritorial claptrap. Either way, you have my sympathy- please shut up- you disgrace the heros and victims who died that day with your horseshit.

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SurfApe

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2010 - 1:34 AM ET #1504

Go tell a NYC FF who knows someone from a whole ladder company that died that day that our gov. killed them and see how many teeth you have left when you leave the local. All tragic, traumatic events have a conspiracy doppleganger.

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tillyo

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2010 - 1:45 AM ET #1505

Love it surfape btw smiddyo claims to have friended many of firefighters and police that worked that day.

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kaponofor3

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2010 - 9:15 AM ET #1506

BTW I like how smdio never answered my question about what happened to Flight 77 then? Unless he can provide a valid answer OTHER than "it crashed into the Pentagon", his theory is worthless. Even if you accept his theory that it came from a different approach, OK then -- so what? The import that he doesn't like to focus on is that something else damaged the Pentagon. Again, leading to the question of what happened to Flight 77?

Without a plausible, legitimate answer to that question -- because that's really the question that needs to be answered by these conspiracy theorists -- smdio's theory is worthless.

You know what else I like? That smdio refuses to use or accept as credible government findings or evidence because it comes from the party that is pushing a certain story/agenda in his mind. So what's the difference between the gov't and CIT? There is none -- both rely on eyewitness testimony to push their agenda and their version of the story. Oh, except that you can trust and rely on CIT and not the government, right smdio?

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tillyo

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2010 - 10:28 AM ET #1507

Kapo that link you provided cit in 11 minutes was pretty impressive. It explained what happened and why people confuse the northern southern approach it seemed to be logical and be a valid explanation. Smiddyo cant answer your question only thing he can do is try to pick the eye witness testimony that fits. You know as well as me two people can be standing next to each other and have a different accont of the events so it is not surprising to me that their are different accounts take the hard evidence and its easy 77 hit the pentagon.

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smdio

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2010 - 2:55 PM ET #1508

Quote Originally Posted by SurfApe:

Pissed off muslims- planes- hijacking- crashes- lots of death and jet fuel burning = 911. This guy is a disgrace to Duke and our nation. Run your moronic steel not melting shit by the structural engineers in the research triangle and they will punch you in the throat if they don't die from laughter first. If your father really died on that day, you dishonor his memory with your conspiritorial claptrap. Either way, you have my sympathy- please shut up- you disgrace the heros and victims who died that day with your horseshit.

In this thread, I have shown you possibilities based on the facts that we were given by our government in hopes that you make an educated decision for yourself as to what happened on 9/11/2001. My goal is to call for a new, unimpeded, adequately financed, and truly non-partisan independent investigation into the attacks of that fateful day. A real investigation this time.

Myself and my team hold the victims and those directly affected in this tragedy in the highest regard. As mentioned previously, I've also lost my father and essentially my mother on that day. May they rest in peace, and may Americans better understand the irrational surrendering of our freedoms in the name of "national security", as our fellow American soldiers, my friends and family included (and I'm sure yours too), fight overseas and put themselves in the position to make the ultimate sacrifice in the name of preserving those very same freedoms.

I have never disrespected any of the victims of the 9/11 tragedy, and instead my fight against this government is for the victims and their suffering families. If you cannot see that by the passion I have in the posts I make, then you are missing my entire point. This is not a game to me, and I feel offended that you've placed me in that type of category.

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Hugh_Jorgan

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2010 - 2:58 PM ET #1509

Quote Originally Posted by swahili:

smdio -- i'm trying to find you on facebook is your first name mohamoud or abdul?

bigreds daddy

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Hugh_Jorgan

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2010 - 3:01 PM ET #1510

smdio … perhaps if you spent less time here accomplishing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, you could be more productive in your attempt to prove that which never was.

bigreds daddy

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smdio

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2010 - 3:12 PM ET #1511

Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

BTW I like how smdio never answered my question about what happened to Flight 77 then? Unless he can provide a valid answer OTHER than "it crashed into the Pentagon", his theory is worthless. Even if you accept his theory that it came from a different approach, OK then -- so what? The import that he doesn't like to focus on is that something else damaged the Pentagon. Again, leading to the question of what happened to Flight 77?

Without a plausible, legitimate answer to that question -- because that's really the question that needs to be answered by these conspiracy theorists -- smdio's theory is worthless.

You know what else I like? That smdio refuses to use or accept as credible government findings or evidence because it comes from the party that is pushing a certain story/agenda in his mind. So what's the difference between the gov't and CIT? There is none -- both rely on eyewitness testimony to push their agenda and their version of the story. Oh, except that you can trust and rely on CIT and not the government, right smdio?

A theory is no longer a theory once it is collaborated by numerous eye-witness accounts. In this case, over 2 dozen people would have had to make the mistake of "did you see the plane on your right hand side, or your left hand side?". When every person says they saw the plane on their right hand side, they are all either mass-hallucinating, or they are telling the truth. I have no theories at all. I am simply telling you that whatever plane these witnesses saw on 9/11/2001 could not have hit the Pentagon because of the Northern path that it took. That is no longer a theory, it is fact.

I do not know what happened to Flight 77. It could have landed safely at Reagan Intl. It could have landed at another nearby airport. The answer to this question will not be found until the government comes clean with what they're currently lying to us about.

"You know what else I like? That smdio refuses to use or accept as credible government findings or evidence because it comes from the party that is pushing a certain story/agenda in his mind. So what's the difference between the gov't and CIT? There is none -- both rely on eyewitness testimony to push their agenda and their version of the story. Oh, except that you can trust and rely on CIT and not the government, right smdio?"

This is the most idiotic statement you've made so far in this thread, Kaponofor. You're now stooping to a level that makes you semi-retarded and even more ignorant to the facts than any conspiracy theorist that you'll ever come in contact with.

The information I have provided to you has mostly come directly from our own government and/or their agencies. I have given you Flight Data Records. Why don't you want to talk about them, Kap? I have given you eye witness testimony from firefighters at the WTC complex, from those less than 1/4 mile away from the impact point at the Pentagon, and from people who have seen an aircraft fly directly over the Pentagon after the explosion. Why don't you answer any of my questions in regards to those? I've answered all of your questions. You're becoming just like HutchEmAll now, Kap. It's embarrassing, really.

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Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

BTW I like how smdio never answered my question about what happened to Flight 77 then? Unless he can provide a valid answer OTHER than "it crashed into the Pentagon", his theory is worthless. Even if you accept his theory that it came from a different approach, OK then -- so what? The import that he doesn't like to focus on is that something else damaged the Pentagon. Again, leading to the question of what happened to Flight 77?

Without a plausible, legitimate answer to that question -- because that's really the question that needs to be answered by these conspiracy theorists -- smdio's theory is worthless.

You know what else I like? That smdio refuses to use or accept as credible government findings or evidence because it comes from the party that is pushing a certain story/agenda in his mind. So what's the difference between the gov't and CIT? There is none -- both rely on eyewitness testimony to push their agenda and their version of the story. Oh, except that you can trust and rely on CIT and not the government, right smdio?

A theory is no longer a theory once it is collaborated by numerous eye-witness accounts. In this case, over 2 dozen people would have had to make the mistake of "did you see the plane on your right hand side, or your left hand side?". When every person says they saw the plane on their right hand side, they are all either mass-hallucinating, or they are telling the truth. I have no theories at all. I am simply telling you that whatever plane these witnesses saw on 9/11/2001 could not have hit the Pentagon because of the Northern path that it took. That is no longer a theory, it is fact.

I do not know what happened to Flight 77. It could have landed safely at Reagan Intl. It could have landed at another nearby airport. The answer to this question will not be found until the government comes clean with what they're currently lying to us about.

"You know what else I like? That smdio refuses to use or accept as credible government findings or evidence because it comes from the party that is pushing a certain story/agenda in his mind. So what's the difference between the gov't and CIT? There is none -- both rely on eyewitness testimony to push their agenda and their version of the story. Oh, except that you can trust and rely on CIT and not the government, right smdio?"

This is the most idiotic statement you've made so far in this thread, Kaponofor. You're now stooping to a level that makes you semi-retarded and even more ignorant to the facts than any conspiracy theorist that you'll ever come in contact with.

The information I have provided to you has mostly come directly from our own government and/or their agencies. I have given you Flight Data Records. Why don't you want to talk about them, Kap? I have given you eye witness testimony from firefighters at the WTC complex, from those less than 1/4 mile away from the impact point at the Pentagon, and from people who have seen an aircraft fly directly over the Pentagon after the explosion. Why don't you answer any of my questions in regards to those? I've answered all of your questions. You're becoming just like HutchEmAll now, Kap. It's embarrassing, really.

smdio

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2010 - 3:14 PM ET #1512

Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:

smdio … perhaps if you spent less time here accomplishing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, you could be more productive in your attempt to prove that which never was.

I'm very productive Hugh

But keep in mind. It's just as important to inform people of this black-flag operation than it is to get in contact with our government officials along with move this thing to the supreme court

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tillyo

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Posted: Dec. 14, 2010 - 3:47 PM ET #1513

Dejavu for kapo a lot of words with no answers just how smiddyo is working and fighting for the truth while he makes up stuff is everybody aware that smiddyo stated the library of congress is a congressional committee that his witnesses testified before but not before taking the oath. Look it up post # 1083 that should testify to his credibility. Then he kept trying to convince me I even got him to post who leads this library of congress and he posted it the head librarian while still trying to convince me the library of congress is a congressional committee. Please post a link on how you get elected to this library of congress I want to run in 2012 hahahahahahahah.

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paul_scholes

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Posted: Dec. 15, 2010 - 1:18 AM ET #1514

Quote Originally Posted by swahili:

smdio -- i'm trying to find you on facebook is your first name mohamoud or abdul?

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paul_scholes

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Posted: Dec. 15, 2010 - 1:19 AM ET #1515

Whatever plate the Pentagon, and whichever flight path it took, it was crooked as fuck, I guarantee that!

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paul_scholes

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Posted: Dec. 15, 2010 - 1:22 AM ET #1516

Quote Originally Posted by paul_scholes:

Whatever plate the Pentagon, and whichever flight path it took, it was crooked as fuck, I guarantee that!

can't believe I wrote plate. frickin weed

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tillyo

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Posted: Dec. 16, 2010 - 12:48 PM ET #1517

Another dope smoking conspiracy theroist.

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Ponch

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Posted: Dec. 16, 2010 - 1:56 PM ET #1518

Anyone know anything about the Lucitania?

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tillyo

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Posted: Dec. 17, 2010 - 10:10 PM ET #1519

Uh huh you know what it is. Black and yellow black and yellow. Everything I do I do it big. So anyway smiddyo if the plane took a southern approach how do you explain people on both sides of the highway seeing it? Did you watch kapos link cit 11 minutes that was undisputable evidence that the plane had an approach that did not come from the west. Ta dow!!!!! Stay down its getting uncomfortable to keep seeing you get slammed.

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greedler

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Posted: Dec. 18, 2010 - 2:17 AM ET #1520

I see a lot of people on here still in denial about the offical 9/11 story. Its real easy folks not 1 but 2 passports came out of the terrorists clothes pass though a raging inferno fireball fly though the dust and destuction completely unscathed though millions of of papers and chaos and god knows what else and are magicaly found by the fbi the same exact day. If you believe that ive got some ocean front property on the moon id like to sell you.

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PC_Only

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Posted: Dec. 18, 2010 - 1:06 PM ET #1521

It was staged, it was the terrorists .. No one actually knows crap. If you believe the media, that's it for you then, if you don't - you can speculate all you want. And those of you who think they know what really happened - what are you going to and what can you do about it? Absolutely NOTHING. It's just blah blah blah blah.
I personally do not believe the news or the sources on the internet. I'm not paranoid or anything, it's just you can edit the crap out of anything these days. Muslim attacks? Here you go. Conspiracy? Follow this link. Space monkeys? Yep, click here.

And where are you going to look for information? Google? Isn't it just a huge f*cking corporation? I'm not saying they're evil or anything but they control everything you find. The bottom line is they can do whatever the f*ck they want. Well I believe they are warm and fuzzy just like all other big companies (and governments) out there. I'm an optimist.

It was a tragedy. People died. Believe what you want. Doesn't change a thing. Can't do anything about it. That's life.

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smdio

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Posted: Dec. 18, 2010 - 6:57 PM ET #1522

I've made my point. Anyone who wants to debate with me any specific event from 9/11/2001, I'd be more than willing to do so. Either here on covers, or any other forum you would like me to join.

I'll continue to check this thread every couple days for questions or debate challenges that you may have. But for now, it's clear that I've raised enough questions that some of you now doubt many, many parts of the official government story.

Soon enough, you'll be seeing a lawsuit on the national news stations. When you do, think of me

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smdio

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Posted: Dec. 18, 2010 - 6:58 PM ET #1523

Someone should archive this thread btw

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slikstiks99

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Posted: Dec. 18, 2010 - 10:15 PM ET #1524

Just saw Jesse Ventura's new episode on the Pentagon.

It is quite coincidental that Rumsfeld reports 2.3 trillion dollars unaccounted for by the Pentagon and then that wing accounting for it gets hit the next day.

Also, they did some more tests at proving the pilots were not skilled enough to pull off the maneuver and it may have been impossible all together.

The lack of video evidence of the incident and purposeful neglect to show any speaks for itself.

There was also something about a phone call that never took place to some statesmen.

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tillyo

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Posted: Dec. 20, 2010 - 10:54 AM ET #1525

Stay down smiddyo!!!!!!!!

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