Cena -900 versus The Rock Del Rio -280 versus Swagger Undertaker -1200 versus CM Punk The Shield -475 versus Orton, Sheamus, and Big Show Ryback -750 versus Mark Henry Team Hell No -180 versus Ziggler and Langston HHH -280 versus Lesnar
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Cena -900 versus The Rock Del Rio -280 versus Swagger Undertaker -1200 versus CM Punk The Shield -475 versus Orton, Sheamus, and Big Show Ryback -750 versus Mark Henry Team Hell No -180 versus Ziggler and Langston HHH -280 versus Lesnar
is there a prop on if HHH leaves on a stretcher? Lesnar was god awful in the ring with no regards to safety when he was wrestling full time. Coming back after time off is gonna be scary
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is there a prop on if HHH leaves on a stretcher? Lesnar was god awful in the ring with no regards to safety when he was wrestling full time. Coming back after time off is gonna be scary
is there a prop on if HHH leaves on a stretcher? Lesnar was god awful in the ring with no regards to safety when he was wrestling full time. Coming back after time off is gonna be scary
I believe he legit hurt Cena in his first match back. Wouldn't think to much into it because just like Cena...HHH is pro and would finish the match.
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Quote Originally Posted by Walter_Sobchak:
is there a prop on if HHH leaves on a stretcher? Lesnar was god awful in the ring with no regards to safety when he was wrestling full time. Coming back after time off is gonna be scary
I believe he legit hurt Cena in his first match back. Wouldn't think to much into it because just like Cena...HHH is pro and would finish the match.
Ziggler won't hold both titles and he's got to cash his case in eventually and that would be against ADR.
This is Ryback's push as well as The Shield's continued push (and possibly Orton's heel turn).
And Cena, HHH and Taker are givens.
The only question mark, imo, is I've heard that Hell No will break up soon after WM so a loss would make sense but I just can't see a reason to give Ziggler a title and the case.
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All lines make sense to me.
Ziggler won't hold both titles and he's got to cash his case in eventually and that would be against ADR.
This is Ryback's push as well as The Shield's continued push (and possibly Orton's heel turn).
And Cena, HHH and Taker are givens.
The only question mark, imo, is I've heard that Hell No will break up soon after WM so a loss would make sense but I just can't see a reason to give Ziggler a title and the case.
Ziggler won't hold both titles and he's got to cash his case in eventually and that would be against ADR.
This is Ryback's push as well as The Shield's continued push (and possibly Orton's heel turn).
And Cena, HHH and Taker are givens.
The only question mark, imo, is I've heard that Hell No will break up soon after WM so a loss would make sense but I just can't see a reason to give Ziggler a title and the case.
I thought Ziggler had to cash in at Wrestlemania..but heard a few weeks ago on Raw..it is Money in the Bank.
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
All lines make sense to me.
Ziggler won't hold both titles and he's got to cash his case in eventually and that would be against ADR.
This is Ryback's push as well as The Shield's continued push (and possibly Orton's heel turn).
And Cena, HHH and Taker are givens.
The only question mark, imo, is I've heard that Hell No will break up soon after WM so a loss would make sense but I just can't see a reason to give Ziggler a title and the case.
I thought Ziggler had to cash in at Wrestlemania..but heard a few weeks ago on Raw..it is Money in the Bank.
1. Cena is a lock, guaranteed winner, I'd lay up to -2000 with him. Throw him in every parlay you have. He will win. Write it down.
2. Del Rio is probably winning as well, although I could have seen WWE going with a Swagger victory before his DUI.
3. Punk at +1000 is worth a tiny shot. If Taker is going to lose, its this year to a guy like Punk.
4. For Sheamus/Orton/Show to be +800 is an absolute joke. They should be +220 or so at best. Massive value on those three. Shield eventually have to lose and why not at WM to this new "superteam"?
5. Ryback -1500 against Henry is a joke, massive amounts of value on Henry +700 as well. Henry is the vet and the backstage boys may want to give him some thank you wins for his long tenure. Ryback will be around for a while and doesn't need a win for his character to be taken seriously.
6. I'd play Hell No up to -200. Ziggler/Langston won't win the titles while Ziggler has the briefcase.
7. Lesnar at +800 is a complete effing joke as well. HHH will lose, his career will be over, and he will go to the backstage job.
My plays: Lesnar +800, 1 to win 8. Mark Henry +700, 1 to win 7 Sheamus/Orton/Show +800, 1 to win 8 Hell No -150, 1.5 to win 1
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Here we go again:
1. Cena is a lock, guaranteed winner, I'd lay up to -2000 with him. Throw him in every parlay you have. He will win. Write it down.
2. Del Rio is probably winning as well, although I could have seen WWE going with a Swagger victory before his DUI.
3. Punk at +1000 is worth a tiny shot. If Taker is going to lose, its this year to a guy like Punk.
4. For Sheamus/Orton/Show to be +800 is an absolute joke. They should be +220 or so at best. Massive value on those three. Shield eventually have to lose and why not at WM to this new "superteam"?
5. Ryback -1500 against Henry is a joke, massive amounts of value on Henry +700 as well. Henry is the vet and the backstage boys may want to give him some thank you wins for his long tenure. Ryback will be around for a while and doesn't need a win for his character to be taken seriously.
6. I'd play Hell No up to -200. Ziggler/Langston won't win the titles while Ziggler has the briefcase.
7. Lesnar at +800 is a complete effing joke as well. HHH will lose, his career will be over, and he will go to the backstage job.
My plays: Lesnar +800, 1 to win 8. Mark Henry +700, 1 to win 7 Sheamus/Orton/Show +800, 1 to win 8 Hell No -150, 1.5 to win 1
I see what you're saying with Ryback/Henry. Reminds me of Edge v ADR. ADR was going to get that big push...but not in his first big match at WM. However...I feel like, if they're going to give Henry that WM win, it would be in a babyface fashion. Plus a loss to Henry makes Ryback come off as soft with people thinking he can't beat the other powerhouses in a 1 v 1 match.
Maybe there's value in Orton/Sheamus/Big Show. But I feel it's a perfect time spot for The Shield to steal one and Orton ends up turning heel on Sheamus out of frustration. On the other hand...where does The Shield go after this? Do they turn into a faction with Punk? Could make sense. We've learned that The Shield storyline of beating up on faces will go on regardless of what happens. I still say Shield wins.
As for Triple H...he won't lose twice to Brock. And his career will always be opened ended.
And PLEASE don't take Punk. I know he's your guy but you keep getting burned on him lately when it's clear that he's gonna lose. A loss for Taker here makes no sense...ESPECIALLY with Punk holding the urn. Punk will get that "put-over" match at WM one day. Whether it's against Austin or not is something we'll see. But nobody will be put over against Taker at WM. There's zero value in that one.
And what's the split in faces/heel winners at WM? Usually something we have to take into account.
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I see what you're saying with Ryback/Henry. Reminds me of Edge v ADR. ADR was going to get that big push...but not in his first big match at WM. However...I feel like, if they're going to give Henry that WM win, it would be in a babyface fashion. Plus a loss to Henry makes Ryback come off as soft with people thinking he can't beat the other powerhouses in a 1 v 1 match.
Maybe there's value in Orton/Sheamus/Big Show. But I feel it's a perfect time spot for The Shield to steal one and Orton ends up turning heel on Sheamus out of frustration. On the other hand...where does The Shield go after this? Do they turn into a faction with Punk? Could make sense. We've learned that The Shield storyline of beating up on faces will go on regardless of what happens. I still say Shield wins.
As for Triple H...he won't lose twice to Brock. And his career will always be opened ended.
And PLEASE don't take Punk. I know he's your guy but you keep getting burned on him lately when it's clear that he's gonna lose. A loss for Taker here makes no sense...ESPECIALLY with Punk holding the urn. Punk will get that "put-over" match at WM one day. Whether it's against Austin or not is something we'll see. But nobody will be put over against Taker at WM. There's zero value in that one.
And what's the split in faces/heel winners at WM? Usually something we have to take into account.
The only bet that makes sense to me is Swagger +370. I think Swagger will win, and then Dolph will cash in on Swagger. I also belive Ziggler will walk out of Mania with Heavyweight Championship + Tag Titles.
-Cena is a LOCK. Pray he somehow turns heel finally. -CM Punk may be worth a small wager for value sake, but Taker's not losing. -Shield is a LOCK. -Ryback is a LOCK. Henry is on his way out. Actually spoke to Henry about it when I met him at MITB PPV. -Highly doubt Triple H last match will be losing to Brock Lesnar. Don't see him losing.
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Updated lines:
Rock +1250 Cena -2750
Del Rio -560 Swagger +370
Undertaker -4500 CM Punk +1500
Sheamus & Orton & Show +1250 Shield -2750
Ryback -1350 Henry +650
Hell No +250 Ziggler & Langston -350
Brock Lesnar +700 Triple H -1500
The only bet that makes sense to me is Swagger +370. I think Swagger will win, and then Dolph will cash in on Swagger. I also belive Ziggler will walk out of Mania with Heavyweight Championship + Tag Titles.
-Cena is a LOCK. Pray he somehow turns heel finally. -CM Punk may be worth a small wager for value sake, but Taker's not losing. -Shield is a LOCK. -Ryback is a LOCK. Henry is on his way out. Actually spoke to Henry about it when I met him at MITB PPV. -Highly doubt Triple H last match will be losing to Brock Lesnar. Don't see him losing.
Is go with Mark Henry. Ryback had his push. They need a black guy in the WWE to make it big again. Henry could win this simply becuase Henry needs a push Ryback already had it and has the fans all behind him regardless if he loses. Cena is a lock. Rock will lose and we wont see him again till next year.
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Is go with Mark Henry. Ryback had his push. They need a black guy in the WWE to make it big again. Henry could win this simply becuase Henry needs a push Ryback already had it and has the fans all behind him regardless if he loses. Cena is a lock. Rock will lose and we wont see him again till next year.
The ONLY way this feud can prolong and work is if Cena turns heel. The last three matches of the PPV will most likely be HHH beating Lesnar, then Taker beating Punk. I HIGHLY doubt they will end the show with three faces winning clean at Mania in NY. Lesnar and Punk are being built up as huge heels for this PPV. Cena has stated he will win because "HE HAS TO." In other words, he will do WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY to win the WWE Championship for a 10th time. They had Cena vs Rock last year to start the feud and needed the Rock to win to gain back credibility with the "WWE Universe." Now, Cena is in desperation mode as he CANNOT lose to the Rock in two straight Mania main events, especially as the Rock has the WWE Championship. They WILL NOT have the Rock lose clean to John Cena at Wrestlemania this year. He's too big of a wrestling name and movie star to do that to him. The only way this feud can continue is if Cena turns heel, wins the WWE Championship by cheating, and starts the next "Wrestling Year" as a heel champion. Either they will set a stipulation of NO DQ, a la WM 17, or Cena will find some way to antagonize his fans by doing something "evil" to win the Championship. The last reason why I believe he is turning is because the ONLY way Cena won't get booed out of the Stadium in NY is if he turns heel. The NY crowd will go absolutely nuts if he turns and when he does I will be there to see it. I never thought I would be excited to see these two wrestle again, but the thought that he is definitely turning heel makes me very excited to see history. This will be as monumental as Hogan turning heel at Bash at the Beach and Austin turning at WM 17. Only way to end this PPV.
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My theory for Cena vs Rock...
The ONLY way this feud can prolong and work is if Cena turns heel. The last three matches of the PPV will most likely be HHH beating Lesnar, then Taker beating Punk. I HIGHLY doubt they will end the show with three faces winning clean at Mania in NY. Lesnar and Punk are being built up as huge heels for this PPV. Cena has stated he will win because "HE HAS TO." In other words, he will do WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY to win the WWE Championship for a 10th time. They had Cena vs Rock last year to start the feud and needed the Rock to win to gain back credibility with the "WWE Universe." Now, Cena is in desperation mode as he CANNOT lose to the Rock in two straight Mania main events, especially as the Rock has the WWE Championship. They WILL NOT have the Rock lose clean to John Cena at Wrestlemania this year. He's too big of a wrestling name and movie star to do that to him. The only way this feud can continue is if Cena turns heel, wins the WWE Championship by cheating, and starts the next "Wrestling Year" as a heel champion. Either they will set a stipulation of NO DQ, a la WM 17, or Cena will find some way to antagonize his fans by doing something "evil" to win the Championship. The last reason why I believe he is turning is because the ONLY way Cena won't get booed out of the Stadium in NY is if he turns heel. The NY crowd will go absolutely nuts if he turns and when he does I will be there to see it. I never thought I would be excited to see these two wrestle again, but the thought that he is definitely turning heel makes me very excited to see history. This will be as monumental as Hogan turning heel at Bash at the Beach and Austin turning at WM 17. Only way to end this PPV.
Rock v Cena HAS Cena as the heel to everyone but kids. Rock clearly has the bigger fanbase so it's just like the heel is winning that match. But the difference between Hogan, Austin and Cena is that Vince will NEVER have Cena give up his character...sadly. They'll end the show by Rock and Cena shaking hands, Rock raising Cena's arm, and that is what will be done to, hopefully, get the crowd to cheer Cena.
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Rock v Cena HAS Cena as the heel to everyone but kids. Rock clearly has the bigger fanbase so it's just like the heel is winning that match. But the difference between Hogan, Austin and Cena is that Vince will NEVER have Cena give up his character...sadly. They'll end the show by Rock and Cena shaking hands, Rock raising Cena's arm, and that is what will be done to, hopefully, get the crowd to cheer Cena.
Rock v Cena HAS Cena as the heel to everyone but kids. Rock clearly has the bigger fanbase so it's just like the heel is winning that match. But the difference between Hogan, Austin and Cena is that Vince will NEVER have Cena give up his character...sadly. They'll end the show by Rock and Cena shaking hands, Rock raising Cena's arm, and that is what will be done to, hopefully, get the crowd to cheer Cena.
I'd bet my left nut it doesn't end like that.
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
Rock v Cena HAS Cena as the heel to everyone but kids. Rock clearly has the bigger fanbase so it's just like the heel is winning that match. But the difference between Hogan, Austin and Cena is that Vince will NEVER have Cena give up his character...sadly. They'll end the show by Rock and Cena shaking hands, Rock raising Cena's arm, and that is what will be done to, hopefully, get the crowd to cheer Cena.
Isn't that how Rock v Hogan ended? And considering that Rock v Brock is set for next WM...it makes perfect sense. I'd love for Cena to turn...but he won't.
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Quote Originally Posted by PapaShango:
I'd bet my left nut it doesn't end like that.
Isn't that how Rock v Hogan ended? And considering that Rock v Brock is set for next WM...it makes perfect sense. I'd love for Cena to turn...but he won't.
Isn't that how Rock v Hogan ended? And considering that Rock v Brock is set for next WM...it makes perfect sense. I'd love for Cena to turn...but he won't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmhUnLvI0z4
"I need to beat you Rock. I need it more than anything you can ever imagine." -Austin
This is eerily similar to WM 17.
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
Isn't that how Rock v Hogan ended? And considering that Rock v Brock is set for next WM...it makes perfect sense. I'd love for Cena to turn...but he won't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmhUnLvI0z4
"I need to beat you Rock. I need it more than anything you can ever imagine." -Austin
"I need to beat you Rock. I need it more than anything you can ever imagine." -Austin
This is eerily similar to WM 17.
Completely different eras. Do you know what a heel turn would do to all the children who look up to Cena? Plus...you can't have anyone take it seriously with all the make-a-wish stuff he does. He can't sell being a heel. Vince would never do it.
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Quote Originally Posted by PapaShango:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmhUnLvI0z4
"I need to beat you Rock. I need it more than anything you can ever imagine." -Austin
This is eerily similar to WM 17.
Completely different eras. Do you know what a heel turn would do to all the children who look up to Cena? Plus...you can't have anyone take it seriously with all the make-a-wish stuff he does. He can't sell being a heel. Vince would never do it.
Are they really going to just have Jericho get Fandango over in his debut at WM? Whether he wins by foul play or not...really? Jericho is supposed to turn heel after this anyway but I still don't think that should play into this.
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Lines Update
Cena -2750
ADR -600
Taker -4500
Shield -2600
Ryback -2000
Ziggler/Langston -180
Triple H -1200
New Line:
Jericho +250
Fandango -350
Are they really going to just have Jericho get Fandango over in his debut at WM? Whether he wins by foul play or not...really? Jericho is supposed to turn heel after this anyway but I still don't think that should play into this.
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