***KENTUCKY DERBY THOUGHTS & PLAYS***

PTB ur d man...love all d stats and info...cant wait!!!

sir d u have that one chart that shows d winniest post position for d kentucky derby? i remember seeing it last year...thanks in advance

Birth place of winning derby horse:

Here is a link to the past performances of the 2012 Kentucky Derby horses, start studying guys............

PrimeTime,

thanks man

I'll have another's last workout at Hollywood Park shows Vet List. I looked into different forums and somebody reported that he is getting ESWT.  Extracorporeal shockwave therapy. I don't know much about it. Probably has something to do with his really long layoffs between races. Heck if I know what is going on out there with juice mcgee Oneil. I may be looking to far into this but now I have him and Alpha on the keep a close eye list. Alpha is almost as good as a toss for me however I doubt he even reaches the starting gate. Time will tell

  nice stuff   thanks for the info

thats what I like about this site-  everyone has a input/analysis

and no drama-  keep the good stuff coming

and what do you know... Steve Haskin reports at 12:10
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/69218/ill-have-another-has-shock-wave-therapy

I was wondering if anyone keeps their information from past derbies. I was hoping to find out the following information
How many horses have won the derby over the last 10 years with blinkers
How many horses have hit the board the last 10 years with blinkers.

This may be a totally bogus angle but I was thinking about it today. The derby has so much going on with the crowd and the field size and any horse with blinkers has obvious issues. Horses without blinkers can take it all in and see everything going on around them.
I was also thinking about Creative Cause and Bodemeister taking the blinkers off late in their 3yo preps. Thanks in advance if anyone has this information. Even if it is the last 5 years

If Bode gets a good post, imo, he will go off the favorite........& I feel he will come in 3rd...............Baffert is no joke but this horse is trying to defeat a huge trend against him..........with only 4 races under his belt & the only two races he won were wire to wire jobs..........the other 2 races where he tried to rate, he fell short...........

DRF has charts for the last 11 derbys, animal kingdom is the only horse to win with blinkers. also that article about ill have another, o neill isnt gonna work him over the CD track. that doesnt seem like a good move to me.

horses to hit the board with blinkers since 2001, ill post 4th place too for super purposes.

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i dug a little deeper going all the way back to 1991 horses to win with blinkers

im glad that angle was brought to our attention, any info helps when trying to narrow down the horse you think will win.

PT, where did you find the info about 18 of the last 20 winners having a work at CD before the derby? and do you know who the 2 who won without working there?

i see you already answered funny cide was one of them. the reason i ask is because im usually skeptical of west coast shippers in the derby and that angle has served me well since i started betting the derby in 2004. so for ill have another to ship and run without ever working on the CD track has me very skeptical of him, not to mention his unexperienced jockey. CC i cant really knock because hes consistent every race and already has a nice race at CD. and Bode well baffert already has him there and he worked well yesterday but i dont like no race as a 2 yr old trend and also he is a VA bred.

I read it somewhere & I cant remember but I did remember that Funny Cide never worked at CD because they were making a big issue about it going into the race........I cant find workouts earlier than 2000 tho so I cant confirm before then. Past 11 years, only 1 horse didnt work over CD & won, that was FC.

Thank you very much for those stats. I wasn't sure if the blinkers really had an effect but honestly they are just a temporary fix to a horses mental problems. If you are an athlete, like these horses, you want to see everything that is coming. You want to know what is around you and I just figured horses have to be very mentally sound to win the kentucky derby because it is a calvary charge.

About the Apollo trend. I am not the first person to say this... 5 years ago we would have tossed ANY horse that had not raced within the last 4 weeks of the derby. It was unheard of. What about the breeders cup juvenile winners never coming back and winning (Street sense changed that). Or what about Animal Kingdom winning last year never had run on the conventional dirt with 4 lifetime starts???

Bodemeister, although he didn't race, had 26 published workouts last year, starting in June and continuing through December, with some fireworks of his own, at five-eighths of a mile, on New Year's Eve. He wasn't lounging by the pool. He was working, training, learning, preparing, and his trainer, Bob Baffert, waited for him. "He was very immature," Baffert said about the April foal, "and took a little longer to come around. He never had any problems. And he has really grown these last couple of months."

Those who do not believe in the hex will want to compare Bodemeister to the 2000 Kentucky Derby winner, Fusaichi Pegasus. That colt made his debut on Dec. 11, finishing second before breaking his maiden on Jan. 2. The Neil Drysdale trainee would win four more consecutive races, including the Kentucky Derby.

Bodemeister hit the track for the first time on Jan. 16, finishing second just as Fusaichi Pegasus did in his debut. The colt then broke his maiden on Feb. 11 before running a game second to Creative Cause as the favorite in the San Felipe Stakes.

Is there reason to doubt this horse? Of course he beat a suspect field in Ark but there is no doubt that he is the fastest horse in this race and some may look at 5 or 6 to 1 as odds that are too low but I look at those odds as value for the fastest horse in the race. If you gave union rags bodemeisters beyers in 2012 you would have the shortest price favorite in the history of the kentucky derby. It's getting closer and closer

If Bode wins the derby, I wont be surprised & we know he will be hyped up in the next week, especially working out the way he did...........was Curlin a better horse than Bode? I just dont think Bode will win but I do think he will be in the triple............of course, we all would like to see the post positions first before solidifying our predictions.