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    Posted: Mar. 24, 2008 - 9:16 PM ET #1

     With the rally Monday the markets stand:

    DJIA
    +187.32
     FTSE 1005495.20-50.40
     S&P 5001349.88+20.37
     HSI21108.220.00
     NASDAQ2326.75+68.64
     NIKKEI12630.87+150.78
     S&P 100628.39+8.01
     ^SPC1349.88+20.37


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     With the rally Monday the markets stand:

    DJIA
    +187.32
     FTSE 1005495.20-50.40
     S&P 5001349.88+20.37
     HSI21108.220.00
     NASDAQ2326.75+68.64
     NIKKEI12630.87+150.78
     S&P 100628.39+8.01
     ^SPC1349.88+20.37


     
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    Posted: Mar. 24, 2008 - 9:18 PM ET #2

     Damn how did I screw that up...Dow at 12,548.64 + 187.32 on the day.

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     Damn how did I screw that up...Dow at 12,548.64 + 187.32 on the day.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 24, 2008 - 10:22 PM ET #3

    Sounds good, we can make this Part II and the first part of April unless we go crazy posting by the end of the month.
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    Sounds good, we can make this Part II and the first part of April unless we go crazy posting by the end of the month.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2008 - 9:48 AM ET #4

    General commentary but one worth keeping in mind (to me at least).

    The root of today's problems in the financial markets and in the economy as a whole is the household sector.  The point needs no elaboration, but its significance cannot be minimized.  The shrinkage in the personal savings rate is not the result of consumer profligacy, as other commentators persist in describing it. Rather, the savings rate has been suppressed by a slowdown in the growth of household incomes. The shortfall between income and outlay has been met by borrowing, and in particular by borrowing against the family real estate. Now the opportunity to borrow has shrunk dramatically, an outcome that will profoundly change the household's spending power and spending patterns.  But the impact is not just on the household. A slowdown in the growth of consumer spending has ominous implications for the entire global economy - and, along the way, the U. S. federal deficit, soon to be overburdened by spiraling benefit obligations. This predicament is not a short-run matter, unless home prices abruptly reverse themselves and head back into the stratosphere - which is hardly likely.
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    General commentary but one worth keeping in mind (to me at least).

    The root of today's problems in the financial markets and in the economy as a whole is the household sector.  The point needs no elaboration, but its significance cannot be minimized.  The shrinkage in the personal savings rate is not the result of consumer profligacy, as other commentators persist in describing it. Rather, the savings rate has been suppressed by a slowdown in the growth of household incomes. The shortfall between income and outlay has been met by borrowing, and in particular by borrowing against the family real estate. Now the opportunity to borrow has shrunk dramatically, an outcome that will profoundly change the household's spending power and spending patterns.  But the impact is not just on the household. A slowdown in the growth of consumer spending has ominous implications for the entire global economy - and, along the way, the U. S. federal deficit, soon to be overburdened by spiraling benefit obligations. This predicament is not a short-run matter, unless home prices abruptly reverse themselves and head back into the stratosphere - which is hardly likely.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2008 - 10:54 AM ET #5

    I think I read that KOAJ took out some ACUS.....I see where it's .32, is it worth getting some?
     
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    I think I read that KOAJ took out some ACUS.....I see where it's .32, is it worth getting some?
     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2008 - 3:25 PM ET #6

    hat - no pennies for me

    all large cap, dividends, some commodities

    T, V, RJA, PX

    looking at CHK, RAI, steel companies

    AKS (ak steel) was able to raise prices this week...others will follow. steel is strong enough in a recession where they can push prices. thats very bullish IMO
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    hat - no pennies for me

    all large cap, dividends, some commodities

    T, V, RJA, PX

    looking at CHK, RAI, steel companies

    AKS (ak steel) was able to raise prices this week...others will follow. steel is strong enough in a recession where they can push prices. thats very bullish IMO
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2008 - 4:04 PM ET #7

    CRDC is approaching a couple crucial technical areas.  Looks like it can break a downtrend line at around $7.85 or so.  Then the 50 day MA is sitting around $8.36. 

    If it could reach the 50 Day, maybe we will see some more buying 

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    CRDC is approaching a couple crucial technical areas.  Looks like it can break a downtrend line at around $7.85 or so.  Then the 50 day MA is sitting around $8.36. 

    If it could reach the 50 Day, maybe we will see some more buying 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2008 - 4:12 PM ET #8

    Gunners,

    A nice quiet move on low volume. I have been pleased lately. Of course it sold off because if there is any selling pressure at all it gets nailed due to the low float.

    I bot more as you know and now that purchase is performing quite nicely.
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    Gunners,

    A nice quiet move on low volume. I have been pleased lately. Of course it sold off because if there is any selling pressure at all it gets nailed due to the low float.

    I bot more as you know and now that purchase is performing quite nicely.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2008 - 5:44 PM ET #9

    Goldman Sachs forecasts global credit losses stemming from the current market turmoil will reach $1.2 trillion, with Wall Street accounting for nearly 40 percent of the losses
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    Goldman Sachs forecasts global credit losses stemming from the current market turmoil will reach $1.2 trillion, with Wall Street accounting for nearly 40 percent of the losses
     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2008 - 8:05 PM ET #10

    I meant to include this from the article from reuters:

    Goldman estimated $120 billion in write-offs have been reported by these leveraged institutions since the credit crunch began last summer.

    "U.S. leveraged institutions have written off less than half of the losses associated with the bursting of the credit bubble," they said. "There is light at the end of the tunnel, but it is still rather dim."

    Of the cumulative losses expected by these leveraged players, bad residential home loans will represent about half, while poor-performing commercial mortgages will represent 15 percent to 20 percent.

    The rest of the losses will come from credit card loans, car loans, commercial and industrial lending and non-financial corporate bonds, Goldman economists said.

    Facing more credit losses, leveraged institutions have raised about $100 billion in new cap
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    I meant to include this from the article from reuters:

    Goldman estimated $120 billion in write-offs have been reported by these leveraged institutions since the credit crunch began last summer.

    "U.S. leveraged institutions have written off less than half of the losses associated with the bursting of the credit bubble," they said. "There is light at the end of the tunnel, but it is still rather dim."

    Of the cumulative losses expected by these leveraged players, bad residential home loans will represent about half, while poor-performing commercial mortgages will represent 15 percent to 20 percent.

    The rest of the losses will come from credit card loans, car loans, commercial and industrial lending and non-financial corporate bonds, Goldman economists said.

    Facing more credit losses, leveraged institutions have raised about $100 billion in new cap
     
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    Posted: Mar. 26, 2008 - 12:48 AM ET #11


     I have been thinking in macro terms more than usual the past few days.I believe the actions by the Fed, and other central banks, will only lessen the blows that remain.I think there are plenty more to come.Americans are famously impatient;this is going to be an agonizing year for people who think everything should be solved overnight.

     That being the case, I remain bullish gold, (used the pull back to accumulate more, and will again should it turn down again) and bearish the USD. It also occurred to me that I have typed these sentences for quite some time now here.Nothing,sadly, has changed my mind about the direction of this country.

      Unfortunately, as hard as I try to be optimistic about the US in general and the American market in particular, I have a raft of reasons to short both.

      For all the incessant cant about "change" (the tedium of that cliche is so overused that it became a punchlline for mindless posturing), anyone thinking that Washington DC will fundamentally change how it operates has not noticed how the races are being run.

      The same hacks are running the same campaigns, and the result is in Iowa you get "ethanol" as a "energy policy" strongly endorsed by...everyone, Republican or Democrat. We remain hostages to the same set of stooges that have gotten us where we are today in energy. And there we will remain.

    Thirty years ago I was naive enough to think the government and the people would devise a way out of energy idiocy. While I was waiting, I watched fools pile into SUVs, and ever huger, higher powered pickup trucks, on their way to building huge, energy inefficient McMansions by the thousands, guaranteeing another generation of waste(and war.)

     I can't see cashing in my chips to live in Singapore ala Jimmy Rogers. But one tires of expecting the federales to dilute the dollar, of pols promising yet more hopelessly absurd entitlements (frankly, and this is to all my fellow Americans, the sooner you stop feeling entitled to everything the more bearable you will become to the rest of the planet,)

      Thus endeth a rant. I feel relieved. But I am buying more gold, selling into any upswing, and remain firmly convinced no matter who wins any election, the country's obligations exceeds its means.
     
     
     

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     I have been thinking in macro terms more than usual the past few days.I believe the actions by the Fed, and other central banks, will only lessen the blows that remain.I think there are plenty more to come.Americans are famously impatient;this is going to be an agonizing year for people who think everything should be solved overnight.

     That being the case, I remain bullish gold, (used the pull back to accumulate more, and will again should it turn down again) and bearish the USD. It also occurred to me that I have typed these sentences for quite some time now here.Nothing,sadly, has changed my mind about the direction of this country.

      Unfortunately, as hard as I try to be optimistic about the US in general and the American market in particular, I have a raft of reasons to short both.

      For all the incessant cant about "change" (the tedium of that cliche is so overused that it became a punchlline for mindless posturing), anyone thinking that Washington DC will fundamentally change how it operates has not noticed how the races are being run.

      The same hacks are running the same campaigns, and the result is in Iowa you get "ethanol" as a "energy policy" strongly endorsed by...everyone, Republican or Democrat. We remain hostages to the same set of stooges that have gotten us where we are today in energy. And there we will remain.

    Thirty years ago I was naive enough to think the government and the people would devise a way out of energy idiocy. While I was waiting, I watched fools pile into SUVs, and ever huger, higher powered pickup trucks, on their way to building huge, energy inefficient McMansions by the thousands, guaranteeing another generation of waste(and war.)

     I can't see cashing in my chips to live in Singapore ala Jimmy Rogers. But one tires of expecting the federales to dilute the dollar, of pols promising yet more hopelessly absurd entitlements (frankly, and this is to all my fellow Americans, the sooner you stop feeling entitled to everything the more bearable you will become to the rest of the planet,)

      Thus endeth a rant. I feel relieved. But I am buying more gold, selling into any upswing, and remain firmly convinced no matter who wins any election, the country's obligations exceeds its means.
     
     
     

     
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    Posted: Mar. 26, 2008 - 1:35 AM ET #12

    why not buy silver too? IRRATIONAL EXUBERANCE is good way to describe the market now.
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    why not buy silver too? IRRATIONAL EXUBERANCE is good way to describe the market now.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 26, 2008 - 1:36 AM ET #13

    The rallies and recent gains are only due the recent emergency rate cuts by the Fed and the bail out of Bear Stearns. The market is only being prop up with smoke and mirrors. You need to quit watching the main street media because it's nothing but lies. The DJIA will be below 10000 by years end.
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    The rallies and recent gains are only due the recent emergency rate cuts by the Fed and the bail out of Bear Stearns. The market is only being prop up with smoke and mirrors. You need to quit watching the main street media because it's nothing but lies. The DJIA will be below 10000 by years end.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 26, 2008 - 9:06 AM ET #14

    top pick: SRS
     
    SRS is down 17% on the year, based on last night's close.  The index that it is the inverse of, URE is up 5%.  Do you really think that Commercial Real Estate in this country should be up 5% for the year right now???
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    SRS is down 17% on the year, based on last night's close.  The index that it is the inverse of, URE is up 5%.  Do you really think that Commercial Real Estate in this country should be up 5% for the year right now???
     
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     Good question. I think the commercial real estate problems are just beginning.

     And by the way, I suppose I should just say precious metals instead of gold, as I do buy silver and lesser amounts of platinum and palladium.

     The list of  policies I consider utterly imbecilic and completely unlikely to change over the next decades, whether Republican or Democratic stooge in WH:Note how long these policies have been entrenched, most going on 40 to 50 years, no end in sight.


       Energy. Same policies in existence since the first oil embargo, still dependent on imported oil as never before, from the same creeps misruling Saudi Arabia.And no this policy cannot and will not change when the doltish Bush family finally exits stage right.

      Cuba (it will change but not due to our domestic politics, due to the deaths of the Castros) Idiotic policy has lasted since the earlty

      War on Drugs (trillions lost due to enforcement costs, penal system costs, and lost potential tax revenue)

      Occupation of Korea, Japan, et al Militarization of the entire US economy, and bases placed throughout the world, 75% of which are unnecessary provocations. (Now including new ones in Eastern European tyrannies). Eisenhower knew a little bit about the military industrial complex, didn't he?

      Impossible Social Security funding.Absurd healthcare costs.

     Pathetic public school performance. Gross disparities in school systems both intra and interstate.

      Completely porous borders. Did we learn anything from the first world trade center bombing? Nope. Have we from the second, more emphatic defeat? No. We will be hit and hit hard again, period, but on a much much greater scale than September 11.

      Military and political ineptitude on display by yet another defeat in the field (coming soon to Iraq and Afghanistan, and proving bin Laden correct in estimate of US as a "paper tiger."

      So much for the political side of the sheet. The economic consequences from this side are easily deduced.



     

     

     

     

     

     
     

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     Good question. I think the commercial real estate problems are just beginning.

     And by the way, I suppose I should just say precious metals instead of gold, as I do buy silver and lesser amounts of platinum and palladium.

     The list of  policies I consider utterly imbecilic and completely unlikely to change over the next decades, whether Republican or Democratic stooge in WH:Note how long these policies have been entrenched, most going on 40 to 50 years, no end in sight.


       Energy. Same policies in existence since the first oil embargo, still dependent on imported oil as never before, from the same creeps misruling Saudi Arabia.And no this policy cannot and will not change when the doltish Bush family finally exits stage right.

      Cuba (it will change but not due to our domestic politics, due to the deaths of the Castros) Idiotic policy has lasted since the earlty

      War on Drugs (trillions lost due to enforcement costs, penal system costs, and lost potential tax revenue)

      Occupation of Korea, Japan, et al Militarization of the entire US economy, and bases placed throughout the world, 75% of which are unnecessary provocations. (Now including new ones in Eastern European tyrannies). Eisenhower knew a little bit about the military industrial complex, didn't he?

      Impossible Social Security funding.Absurd healthcare costs.

     Pathetic public school performance. Gross disparities in school systems both intra and interstate.

      Completely porous borders. Did we learn anything from the first world trade center bombing? Nope. Have we from the second, more emphatic defeat? No. We will be hit and hit hard again, period, but on a much much greater scale than September 11.

      Military and political ineptitude on display by yet another defeat in the field (coming soon to Iraq and Afghanistan, and proving bin Laden correct in estimate of US as a "paper tiger."

      So much for the political side of the sheet. The economic consequences from this side are easily deduced.



     

     

     

     

     

     
     

     
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    Posted: Mar. 26, 2008 - 12:12 PM ET #16

    the housing prices should actually be correcting itself after the lucrative growth during the housing bubble
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    Posted: Mar. 26, 2008 - 5:08 PM ET #17

    RMBS


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    Posted: Mar. 26, 2008 - 9:13 PM ET #18

    so what are your thoughts on what's going on with Sirius Satellite Radio Inc. (NASDAQ:SIRI)?



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    Posted: Mar. 27, 2008 - 3:22 PM ET #19

    LEH rumors are swirling..getting hit pretty good.


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    LEH puts are like an ATM machine.  I re-upped my LEH puts earlier this week.  I hold the July $40 puts @ $4.80.
     
    LEH is worth $2 a share.  And by $2, I mean $10
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    LEH is worth $2 a share.  And by $2, I mean $10
     
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    Posted: Mar. 27, 2008 - 4:41 PM ET #21

    hey, i didn't even notice that i'm a veteran
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    Posted: Mar. 27, 2008 - 4:47 PM ET #22

    Good job Gunners!

    LEH isnt worth 2 a share..no way. They have access to the ATM window, they wont follow Bear down the same path.

    JMHO
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    LEH isnt worth 2 a share..no way. They have access to the ATM window, they wont follow Bear down the same path.

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    Cayne sold 5.66 million shares for exactly $10.84 a share for $61.3 million. However, it was not known if those shares were dumped into the open market or if Cayne sold them to another party.
    Wonder if Joseph Lewis is going to follow his path?
    whats going to happen to BSC today
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    Cayne sold 5.66 million shares for exactly $10.84 a share for $61.3 million. However, it was not known if those shares were dumped into the open market or if Cayne sold them to another party.
    Wonder if Joseph Lewis is going to follow his path?
    whats going to happen to BSC today
     
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    Posted: Mar. 28, 2008 - 7:45 AM ET #24

    I know Wall, i was just joking.  They just got stupidly upgraded by Citi.  who is Citi to upgrade people?  Citi is about to fall apart too, according to rumors
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    Added to my IMB and DRYS position today...
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