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Leans
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hardy
bendo
cerrone
amir
dollaway
benav
cole

 
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quick thoughts
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-hardy better stand up ...will be a stand up war
-bendo is underrated 
-ceronne more experience better striking at this stage of his career
-hamman has an amazing chin.. but is not a better mma fighter than CB
-benav >>> urijah
-gut feeling with cole 
 
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I don't agree on most, but these are some close fights.

Hardy may have better stand up.  But it is vastly overrated and an urban legend.  He has a whopping 1 finish in his UFC career, yet is labeled this dangerous hard hitter?  When he stepped up in competition he got absolutely dominated 3 times.  I could see him winning a decision.  But I wouldn't bet Hardy...what has he ever proven in his career? 

I like Miller.  He is just a better fighter.  He has beat better competition and is on a complete roll.  He has better wrestling and better BJJ,  And its not like Bendo is some finisher on the feet. 

Cerrone fight is a tough one.  But I'd rather take the guy that can finish a fight over a guy that cannot.  Cerrone isn't going to sub Oliveria.  And he doesn't finish anyone standing.  Oliveria is dangerous everywhere.  Cerrone will have to survive 3 rounds of attacks.  Could go either way, but I like Oliveria...who is getting better each time out.

I like Amir to win comfortably, but not the greatest line on it.
 
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Cerrone is a notoriously slow starter too. I lean Oliveira too.
 
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changed my mind jim miller will LnP the chicago out of bendo ..if bocek can take down bendo with EASE then miller will follow suit.


 
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Jonny G, I agree with all you said. I'm a big lytle fan. I don't think he'll stand and trade. He'll submit him.
I feel real strong on miller in this contest. I like bendo but I think they're in a different class
I think cerrone us too experienced for Charles at this time. He should be smart enough to keep it on his feet
 
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Quote Originally Posted by sawman:

Jonny G, I agree with all you said. I'm a big lytle fan. I don't think he'll stand and trade. He'll submit him.
I feel real strong on miller in this contest. I like bendo but I think they're in a different class
I think cerrone us too experienced for Charles at this time. He should be smart enough to keep it on his feet


Lytle won't be looking for the takedown.  I was re-watching Lytle vs Serra 2 today, and Rogan pointed out that Lytle hasn't even attempted a takedown since UFC 89, and that his submissions almost always come from his opponent taking him down.

Also listened to an interview where Lytle said he and Hardy were put in the main event because both are going to be there to put on an entertaining (stand-up) fight.  He said that one of the only times he fought 'not to lose' - as in, look for takedowns and fight smart, was the first fight vs Serra on the TUF 4 finale, and he said that he hated it and you wouldn't ever see him doing that again.

Anyways, I know some guys SAY they're going to "go out there and bang" only to look for the TD, but you can tell Lytle means it.  He'll keep it standing.
 
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Charles Oliveira is a dangerous fighter, but hasn't had any significant wins in his young career. Also, he's still young and has time to learn and improve on his game. Whereas Donald Cerrone has fought for the WEC championship twice in his seasoned career, and now looking for his shot at the UFC belt I think he's going to cease the opportunity and come out with the W. Also, don't underestimate the fact that he's now part of Jackson's Academy. (Greg Jackson trains George St. Pierre, Rashad Evans (until recently), Jon Jones, Shane Carwin, Brian Stann) (Also note that when fighters make the change to Jackson's Camp they seem to reinvent themselves and revive their careers--> Carlos Conduit, Clay Guida, Melvin Guillard to name a few). By no means do I think Cerrone is going to roll over Oliveira, but I do think the +130 you get on Cerrone is definitely the best bet of the night for the cheese you are getting.
 
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Lytle can bang too. But if you bang with Hardy you play into his only strong area, and he has one punch KO power. Hardy is brutal on the ground, and if Lytle's smart he'll beat him there.

Cerrone as an underdog - I'm taking that

 
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final picks
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hardy
miller
cerrone
amir
CB
benav
noke
cole
castillo
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i know edwin will win if he keeps it on but he could get caught with his suspect ground game though ... i might not even play this on a parlay; not a fan of either

vemola has zero stand up technique and appears to have zero jitz skills; but he is hulk strong and has decent take down ability. i question his gas tank and fight experience . markes is an unknown . he beat an on the downslide philo.  and from what i seen of him on youtube has some decent striking technique and jitz.  not playing just watching learning and enjoying

bruce lee roy trains at a good gym and has some decent jitz, he can strike but has no power.  hettes has jits and that all i know.
not playing, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was an upset.

 
 
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BTW have u noticed the cerrone line shit is dropping like hot chicks panties... i think it opened at +135; there must be tons of money coming in on him

locked 2hundy on him at +116
 
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Quote Originally Posted by sawman:


I think cerrone us too experienced for Charles at this time. He should be smart enough to keep it on his feet


So what if Cerrone keeps it on the feet?   He isn't some great wrestler so he might not even be able too.  But Oliveria might be the better fighter standing.  He is at least the more dangerous fighter standing.  Cerrone has never finished anyone by KO/TKO in his MMA career.  Cerrone's only way of wining this is out-pointing Oliveria on teh feet for 3 full rounds.
 
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It's a tough call, jonny g. I lik them both. Oilveira is dynamic. greatly improved striking. a BJJ ace. But Cerrone is "been there done that". And maybe he will out point him.

I will only bet something small on this to keep it interesting. But I am leaning to Cowboy, as a underdog

 
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tons of bets here are two i love
straight up pick :cerrone 2u for 2.3u
parlay: cerrone,cole,joeyb,dollaway 3u for 10.8u

GL
 
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bol
 
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thanks broski
 
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go edwin go
 
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edwinedwinedwin
 
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go castillo alpha male
 
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cole yeah baby
 
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hettis a beast
 
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markes prepare to get vemolished
 
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vemolished ... zero technique zero cardio
 
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niice call hermann backers


 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Top_Dawg:

Charles Oliveira is a dangerous fighter, but hasn't had any significant wins in his young career. Also, he's still young and has time to learn and improve on his game. Whereas Donald Cerrone has fought for the WEC championship twice in his seasoned career, and now looking for his shot at the UFC belt I think he's going to cease the opportunity and come out with the W. Also, don't underestimate the fact that he's now part of Jackson's Academy. (Greg Jackson trains George St. Pierre, Rashad Evans (until recently), Jon Jones, Shane Carwin, Brian Stann) (Also note that when fighters make the change to Jackson's Camp they seem to reinvent themselves and revive their careers--> Carlos Conduit, Clay Guida, Melvin Guillard to name a few). By no means do I think Cerrone is going to roll over Oliveira, but I do think the +130 you get on Cerrone is definitely the best bet of the night for the cheese you are getting.


Word.  Coun't have said it better myself.  Go Cerrone!
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