Best pitcher right now in the majors = Jair Jurrjens

That does cast a wrinkle to the equation; with said Series under his belt give me Halladay in said spot notwithstanding Jair 1st place position at present

"I think it’s safe to say that RIGHT NOW he is the best."

All caps and in bold and some people still miss it.

They played the World Series already this season? Hmm, I must have missed that one.

Oh I didn't know they all played the exact same opponents. Opponents have to do a big deal with ERA. Its to early. But if we r going to be doing this with small samples its Josh Collmenter!!

If you don't know who he is..... You better ask someboooooody!

1.49 ERA With an insane .69 WHIP..... One of the lowests WHIPS ive seen after 4 starts.

Its an Analogy......

How often do pitchers play the exact same opponents the exact same number of times?

All we have is the information available.

Besides, both JJ and Halladay pitch in the NL East. It’s not like one is pitching the AL East and the other is pitching in the NL West.

Josh Collmenter is not qualified.

 

Again: he’s not qualified.

No, it is not.

It was his attempt at belittling what Jurrjens has done so far this season by saying Halladay would be a better pitcher in game 7 of the WS even though that has nothing to do with this thread.

He is still pissed Jurrjens fucked his Red’s ML bet.

 

He has half the starts of Jurrjens.... Its not like hes that far behind.

Ok well jurrjens has 9 starts he has a ND in there I didnt see. Still 65 innings pitched (jurrjens) to 34 (collmenter) yes its a difference but not a horrible amount. All im saying is watch out for Collmenter. Hes really good and nobody knows about him. You can get value in all of his line so far. Taking nothing away from jair hes good.

This should end the discussion really.

Using your analogy, this should be true.

Why don't we just put it as he's one of the best to start the season. Why do we have to put a label on it

There is qualified and there is non-qualified.

Right now, he isn't qualified.

Without question, pitching the best in the league right now.

No, it’s not.

Saying “Jurrjens is the best pitcher in the majors RIGHT NOW” is NOT the same thing as saying “Matt Joyce is the best hitter in the league.”

 

still think doc is the man .... he pitches complete game which helps out the bullpen and has been lights out for over 8 years now hes a horseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee  also im from canada so alittle biased

Halladay's K numbers shit on Jurrjens even if you factor in two less starts and his WHIP and BAA are identical.  Jurjenss is money, but is not in the same stratosphere as Halladay.  He will regress.  These are Doc's normal numbers and he's right there.  This is an abnormal 9 game stretch.  He had a 4.64 ERA last year.  Halladay's was 2.4 and he has only been over 3.2 for a season once in the last ten years.  If you want to just say for this season, it is probably Kyle Lohse.  He has the same amount of wins as Jurjenns and better WHIP, BAA, K/9.  In fact, in 15 more innings, Lohse has given up only 3 more hits and the same amount of homeruns.   

So, is Kyle Lohse the best pitcher in baseball?  Fuck now.  Over a ten game stretch?  maybe, but so are a lot of pitchers. 

I have always liked Halladay but I don't think he's the end all be all for pitchers in this age. There are lots of good arms that are actually younger and just as effective. The Giants beat him last postseason with a subpar offense. Look at Cain and LIncecum and they completely shut down Philadelphia's more potent offense. Lots of options these days in the MLB for studs on the mound.

Yeah, fuck W/L records and ERA. What really matters is strikeouts.

IMO, he is overrated. He is great pitcher no doubt, but the way some people talk about him you’d think every time he stepped on the mound it was a guarantee he was throwing a complete game shutout.

W/L doesn't mean shit.  That is why Felix won a Cy Young last year at 13-12.  Johnson only had 11 wins last year in 28 starts in a dominant year.  Wins are out of pitcher's controls a lot of nights unless you are Halladay and go CG every other game

Why did you ignore Lohse's numbers?  He's having an even better year than Jair, but will also regress.  halladay doesn't regress.  He's been the best pitcher in baseball for ten years. 

Roy Halladay overrated?  You've lost all credibility.  He is the best pitcher in baseball over the past ten years. And what pitcher has ever been guaranteed to throw a CG shutout everytime out?  That's the dumbest measuring stick of all time.

Take your Braves glasses off and look at the numbers

Heres an unbiased opinion: https://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/5793/is-roy-halladay-this-centurys-best-pitcher

https://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/5793/is-roy-halladay-this-centurys-best-pitcher

And, the best measuring stick of a player in baseball is WAR.

Halladay is number 1 of pitchers in 2011 by a shitload and only behind Bautista for all players.  Jurjens is 28th
https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2011&month=0&season1=2011&ind=0

You can't argue these numbers.  Halladay better K/9, BB/9, HR/9, fip and xfip.  Roy is number 1 in most.

Xfip is a predictor of future ERA and Halladay, Hamels and Lee are in the top 4.

Also, if you look at BABIP.  Jurjens has been lucky.  His BABIP is .260.  Halladay's is really high at .315.  This is crazy considering the Braves have a bad defense and the phillies have a great defense (#1 in most categories).  Jurjens BABIP last year was .300 and Halladay's was .290.  Halladay has been unlucky and Jurjens has been lucky and their numbers are still comparable.

ERA and Wins/Losses over a 9 game stretch is ridiculous to look at.  It is the smallest sample size and too much luck plays into Wins and ERA over a 2 month baseball stretch.  I'll wager anything you want that Halladay ends up with a lower ERA

w / l doesnt really mean much man. strikeouts to walk ration is big. and doc's is pretty good.