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Sparky you also have been saying for the past 2 years Arrieta is the best starter in your opinion. I have continually told you that he has the best pure stuff but he lacks the control to be successful consistently. He will always have a dud game every now and then. He is somewhat like AJ Burnett except not a mental midget.

And Hunter is soon to be removed from the rotation when Britton returns. Should happen in about a month if his rehab continues to go well with no set backs. That will only make the rotation better and put Hunter in the pen as their long guy and spot starter.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Jaysvdubwhat:



I'm sure this thread will be dead long before then


And whats that say about your Jays since they are 1-5 against the "lowly, pathetic" Orioles.



And dont even try saying I talk bad about the Jays. I have said they have been run and made some of the best moves of any franchise over the past couple years (trades and drafting).
 
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His first full season and he was one of the 10 best pitchers in all of baseball in the last month and half of that season when he put everything together.

Get a clue about Matusz before mispeaking again.

The botched double play happened with 1 out so there was still 1 out when it happened. Thus why only 1 run was earned.

And just so you know Matusz has had defensive mishaps every single start. And 5 of his earned runs this year are because Gregg allowed 3 to score and O'day allowed 2. Once again keep looking at his stat sheet instead of having any actual knowledge of how he's pitched and the circumstance during his starts.

So he finished a FULL season as one of the top pitchers in baseball for a month and a half and still had just a 4.30 ERA? And there you go with that small sample size. Hammel is one of the best pitchers in baseball right now too. A month and a half worth of stats means nothing.
 
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And my mistake. I started getting active in this thread when they beat the Red Sox. Not that impressive of a feat either.
 
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Well they have 6-7 hitters barely hitting over 200

and have blown 7 saves already

I think being 3 games over 500 right now is quite lucky


yes, the O's have had their number so far won't last
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Jaysvdubwhat:



I'm sure this thread will be dead long before then

 
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Wait til Vladdy gets into the lineup
 
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Quote Originally Posted by jpero:

Sparky you also have been saying for the past 2 years Arrieta is the best starter in your opinion. I have continually told you that he has the best pure stuff but he lacks the control to be successful consistently. He will always have a dud game every now and then. He is somewhat like AJ Burnett except not a mental midget.

And Hunter is soon to be removed from the rotation when Britton returns. Should happen in about a month if his rehab continues to go well with no set backs. That will only make the rotation better and put Hunter in the pen as their long guy and spot starter.

I lose some cred here but I touted Tillman, not Arrieta.

And Britton was great...and then he started getting hammered. Then he got hurt...just like every other Oriole does after they start to slump. Never know whose good and whose not.
 
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Posted: #109
jays are such cheap asses 75 mil payroll

god damn o's payroll is higher
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:


So he finished a FULL season as one of the top pitchers in baseball for a month and a half and still had just a 4.30 ERA? And there you go with that small sample size. Hammel is one of the best pitchers in baseball right now too. A month and a half worth of stats means nothing.


Matusz had 11 starts during that stretch. Not 5 starts like Hammel has now. During those 11 starts he dropped his ERA from 5.46 to 4.30.  In 16 of his 32 starts in 2010 Matusz allowed 2 runs or less and 7 of those starts he allowed 3 runs. So in 23 of his 32 starts he allowed 3 runs or less.

You are right Matusz sucks. You are talking about small sample sizes but you use 9 bad starts to speak of his 4.30 ERA that year yet you say 11 starts at the end of the year prove nothing about him being well.

Seems a little like hypocrisy to me.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Jaysvdubwhat:

jays are such cheap asses 75 mil payroll

god damn o's payroll is higher


The O's have to pay $10 mm to a player who wont even play. I know this was said in jest.

Jays: 2012: $ 83,739,200
Orioles: 2012: $ 84,102,333


 
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where did u get that

im on a site 2012 payrolls says 75
 
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You do realize that you can bring up any stat from any player and any scenario from someone within your organization and, at the end of the day, it will be the same as it's been since you started arguing with me. You won't be in the playoffs at season's end and you'll be lucky to be competitive by the all-star break.
 
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Sparky i have to say it


for a 200 mil payroll u guys sure are overrated
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Jaysvdubwhat:

where did u get that

im on a site 2012 payrolls says 75


https://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/

Most accurate and best source for payroll information.


 
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:

You do realize that you can bring up any stat from any player and any scenario from someone within your organization and, at the end of the day, it will be the same as it's been since you started arguing with me. You won't be in the playoffs at season's end and you'll be lucky to be competitive by the all-star break.


What place will the Orioles be in at the AS break?
 
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Posted: #117
getting britton in there should provide a boost if he is back to his old stuff ... how has looked so far on his rehab starts?  i just saw something on an injury report that he was doing spring training starts and his velocity is up

there are also rumblings that pineiro may make his way up.  not much upside with him coming up but better to start a guy who will get you innings with his experience that waste the young guys time.
 
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What place will the Orioles be in at the AS break?


Probably 3rd maybe 4th
 
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https://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/

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thanks
 
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Posted: #120
Quote Originally Posted by Jaysvdubwhat:

Sparky i have to say it


for a 200 mil payroll u guys sure are overrated

We've been overrated from 2001-2011 with the exception of 2009. What can ya do?
 
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What place will the Orioles be in at the AS break?

Hell if I know. But they'll be falling by that time.
 
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I just looked over their schedule and they ahve 50 games until the AS break.

A very conservative record during that span I would say is 22-28 just for a come back down to last place sort of pace you expect them to play at.

That would give them a record of 44-40 at the AS break. That is 4 games over .500 and if that is the case then there is no way they are in last place and probably would be about 3rd place with that record.

But then who is in 4th and 5th place in that scenario. And you said earlier the half way point is where you evaluate teams. So is a team on pace for 84-85 wins a shit team? Even though, as I said during spring training, that no team in teh AL East will win more than 94 games.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:


We've been overrated from 2001-2011 with the exception of 2009. What can ya do?


lol,,,I wouldn't care if we were in oppo divisions
 
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Posted: #124
oh sparky .... are you ready for the series this week, hamel and chen mow down the bronx bombers and they fall in the standings? ... will we have more disbelief talks from our al east fans?  
 
 
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It's not really disbelief..when you suck ass for so many yrs it can only get better
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