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most skilled rapper today?? how about pharoahe monch... hes still around and fucking rips it.. its an older song but if youve heard oh no with pharaohe, mos def, and nate dogg singing the hook 2 of the best rappers in their prime with the best at singing hooks.. you cant even get it on youtube anymore its been copywrited but you can find it elsewhere
 
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btw 50 cent sells a lot of records but he is not even close to being a good lyricist... 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Gee_Gee:

i dont care who you like but there's no way you can say illmatic wasn't one of the top 10 greatest rap albums of all time.... theres so many though... it was much, much better 10 years ago... give me mos def, atcq, wu-tang,gangstarr,big L, talib kweli over any new artist any day



Word.

And old 50 was a beast, before he got rich. It happens to most in the music industry. But pre-GRODT 50 was a monster.
 
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Jada
 
 
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Vanilla Ice
 
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Bob Dylan 
 
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looks like yuice is officially retired from this thread
dont worry i cause sitautions like this a lot
 
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GZA
Q-Tip
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Iw1nBets:

 

here u go exhibit A. Cham destroys Wayne on his own beat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSZc0OrcwiQ

 

lmao the song dont have life until 2:30 in when cham takes over. Lil Wayne sounds like a 9 yr old tryin to rap

Haven't listen to this one yet, just thought I'd point out that isn't Wayne's beat

 
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Quote Originally Posted by banans:

GZA
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Saw both over the last year, great shows. I dunno if you'd call Tip a great lyricist, though. It's more his style and voice that catches people.

Now GZA, dude is a BEAST on the mic.
 
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#1. Ghostface Killah
#2. B.I.G.
#3. Nas
#4. Tony Yayo
#5. Ice Cube
 
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retire to each his own but one of the worst lists ever

 
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Quote Originally Posted by TIMBER9:

Dude ive played guitar, bass, drums and piano since i was 8.   Been the front man in several bands.    Give me a break,  rap is trash.  Are some "rappers" better than others?  yes.   But as a whole it is not a special talent or skill.

 

fuck you nobody listens to those bullshit AM stations you play in your car....

 
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ICE ICE BABY!!!
 
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I think there are 3 in a class of their own
 Biggie, 2Pac and Eminem
 
Them 3 stand above all others.....then let the debate begin.....
 
 
and to the Chamillionaire arguement......I AGREE!!!
  keep in mind this guy doesn't rely on swear words too....
  sings all his own hooks and chorus'
he may not be THE BEST right now but ONE OF THE BEST without a doubt....
 
 
AGREED that Jay-z is trash
AGREED old 50 was a beast
AGREED as overrated NAS is, Illmatic was amazing
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by retire_early:

#1. Ghostface Killah
#2. B.I.G.
#3. Nas
#4. Tony Yayo
#5. Ice Cube


I love this list.  You got to add Pac though so I would rearrange like this:

(1) TuPac
(2) Ice Cube
(3) Biggy
(4) Emm
(5) Nas

I literally wore out three Ice Cube's Predator CDs.  One of the best albums ever!!!  I really miss Pac and Biggy.  I hate to say it but they were at their best when they were feuding (i.e. Now I am Gonna Wetta), however, if that is what ended in their deaths it was not worth it.

As for the person who said picking the best rapper is like picking the tallest midgit... seriously get a life.  I always felt that this is the most skilled form of musical expression and also the one that gets the worst rep.  Most of these guys put their souls into this music and to make it in this business is damn near impossible.  Further, to be able to sling these rhymes (often freestyle) that makes sense, is entertaining and articulate is amazing to me.  Before any haters start hating, yes rap music is articulate if you know what you are listening too.

Great topic.  I look forward to further discussion.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by TIMBER9:

Dude ive played guitar, bass, drums and piano since i was 8.   Been the front man in several bands.    Give me a break,  rap is trash.  Are some "rappers" better than others?  yes.   But as a whole it is not a special talent or skill.

Hahaha.  True Story.  It's really all about the catchy beat and catchy chorus.  It's funny watching these sub-urban kids trying to act tough.  Little do these kids know.

 
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So what makes YOUR music so much better? Get off your high horse.

As for the dude who laughed at the Nas comment, I don't care if he wanted to shine his boots or whatever. He's a better rapper. I like Pac, but LYRICALLY, he ain't messin' with Nas.

And I won't bother responding to the Wayne/Cham stuff, those dudes don't deserve to be in this conversation.


 The point is........... rap is not music...........how many great guitarists or keyboardists come to mind when you mention any rap group? Or vocalists for that matter?

   Rhyming words does not make you a musician........
 
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 The point is........... rap is not music...........how many great guitarists or keyboardists come to mind when you mention any rap group? Or vocalists for that matter?

   Rhyming words does not make you a musician........


You are right it does not make them musicians it makes them artists. Most good rap artists are more than rhyming words. They have concepts, story lines, double entendres, and some are like poetry.

I've never seen Mick Jagger play guitar, piano, drums and sing at the same time. He is strictly a singer/vocalist. That does not discredit his music or make him not considered an artist because he didn't play all the instruments.

A lot of rap artists get started in gospel singing. They are musicians whether you want to believe it or not.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:



 The point is........... rap is not music...........how many great guitarists or keyboardists come to mind when you mention any rap group? Or vocalists for that matter?

   Rhyming words does not make you a musician........


music can be anything
 
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tough to narrow it down
 
nas
jay-z
big l
kool g rap
masta ace [most underrated rapper without question]
big pun, possibly greatest lyricist. bad verse? never.
biggie best storyteller ever [kool g rap close 2nd]
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into good hip hop..whether that be underground or mainstream w.e. a good song is a good song
 
even though i might not be able to enjoy all types of music, i wont knock any. if you like it , you like it. There are lots of songs that I wouldnt listen to on my own time but i recognize as good songs.
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Gee_Gee:

most skilled rapper today?? how about pharoahe monch... hes still around and fucking rips it.. its an older song but if youve heard oh no with pharaohe, mos def, and nate dogg singing the hook 2 of the best rappers in their prime with the best at singing hooks.. you cant even get it on youtube anymore its been copywrited but you can find it elsewhere
IT'S BEEN SEVEN DAYS THE SAME CLOTHES
 
 
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for those not familiar ..SOME OF my favorite storytelling tracks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW8jRjvlLgE kool g rap at his best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qyt0tAwDAPc one of my fav all time tracks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0R7I7LjZ2A joe budden GREAT TRACK 9.5/10........joe budden is definitely dope if you took the time to get passed PUMP IT UP and christina milian features

nas - i gave you power [prob the best one, but i figured everyone has heard it. someone tell me that song isnt "music"...alot of talent there.

b.i.g. - i got a story to tell

Maybe one of you guys [doubt it] have heard of Vakill...if not he's pretty dope...but a nice track VAKILL - FALLEN feat. slug [hate that person but he does good on this feature]

 

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