Oliver Stones Untold history of the United States

This look like a very interesting 10 piece documentary series, produced and narrated by Oliver Stone in coorporation with Showtime.

I am going to watch this fellas, always intrigued by good documentary

0n Showtime.....

Episode 1 Thursday Nov 15th @ 8:00 pm est

Episode 2 Monday Nov 19th @ 8:00 pm est

Don't forget the lube while soaking in that lefty spin

O. Stone is, or was, a talent. I hope he can give an unbiased depiction. Not generally his style to keep politics out of his work.  Gonna watch it and see.    GL,   Doc

Saw an interview with him and the historian (there is a book too) that he coorporated with. He said it was very much factbased, and it has been factchecked by Cbs and Showtime i believe.

Come on Tilt,   It seemed pretty even. I admit to being a little more left than you seem to be and was looking for his bias so I could bitch about him. Sounds like you and I and others who like history won't be to surprised by supposed things we don't know. 

Tilt,   If they play it smart and want people in chairs in homes watching then they do a presentation that everyone will watch.  Some of the stuff is designed for that. Easy listening. Some was like Mozart . Elevator music. 

how about that movie savages?  it looked like it might be good but got hammered in the reviews.  can you recommend it?

watched episode 1 and thought it was a good "Cliffs Notes" overview of WWII esp the war between Germany and the Soviet Union which really isn't covered that much in American history classes. too bad the late 70's "The Unknown War" series about "The Great Patriotic War", as the Russians call WWII, which was narrated by Burt Lancaster, has been lost to history. remember seeing it on PBS back then and it was excellent.

only compaint I have is the Mrs and I though Stone's narration was kind of weak BUT speaking has never really been his strong suit

I didn't feel like I learned anything new except the part on H. Wallace. Wasn't aware what a interesting guy he was. At least I got that out of it.   Otherwise, pretty mundane.      GL,   Doc

a few hot chicks, debauchery, what's not to like.  i saved it on netflix as well but i have a million things in front of it.  let us know if it's worth watching. 

Episode 2 about Henry Wallace, who was FDR's VP his first three terms, was interesting political history that I didn't know before. also all the "back door deals" the US and Britain did with Stalin which doomed the Eastern European countries to half a century of Soviet style dictatorship.

looking forward to Episode 3 "The Bomb" next week. I will bet you that Stone will argue that using the two atomic bombs on Japan was unnecessary to end the war

oh and the sketchy comparison of the relationship between Poland/USSR and Canada/Mexico with the US...

Next week should be even more fantastical...Hey they got me hooked anyway

have heard a lot of arguments that the real "straw that broke the Japs back" was the Soviet Union entering the war and NOT the two atomic bombs.

I personally don't give a DAMN what ended WWII without an invasion of Japan because it saved hundreds of thousands of American lives and probably a million or more Japanese. my father was a Naval Aviator back then and I had two uncles in the Army that probably would have been in the invasion force. no matter what "history re-writers" want to say, Truman using the bomb just maybe saved their lives 

Rat,  The deal about the Democratic convention was interesting and history making. Still not finding much I didn't know. He makes a good point that Truman might have worked with the Russians and not tried to be a tough guy. The stuff about Truman's mother and father sounds like bullshit pyscho-history. Come on? Unfair attack, and questionable. 

I thought the first show was quite interesting and probably quite true.

It is true that had Germany not split their forces and focused on Europe the outcome would have been different. It is also true that Germany lost because they fought into the winter which was a mistake.

It is also true that there were MANY more Russians killed than person and Americans..but the media focuses on certain groups for obvious reasons.

I thought the insight to our approach about the war prior to entering was quite interesting..and it ringed very true.

I learned a few things that I didnt know before and outside Stones obvious biases spending tons of time on a few areas I liked what was in the first show quite a bit.

It is also true that there were MANY more Russians killed than person and Americans..but the media focuses on certain groups for obvious reasons.

more Russians died just in the Siege of Leningrad (just over 1 million) than died from the United States and the United Kingdom in WWII  (970 thousand) combined

as I said before, it's too bad the late 70's "The Unknown War" series, which was narrated by Burt Lancaster, has been lost to history. it was a 20 part series that went into "The Great Patriotic War", as the Russians called WWII, with much more detail than any other  documentary like the British produced "World at War".

 

Rat, wallst., Tilt,   It's a good doc because we are talking about it. 

Yeah I think what was said regarding Truman's racist views is accurate..the source for the comments wasnt subjective, it came from stuff the guy said.

I do think Truman listened to the wrong people and we didnt need to use the A-bomb as we did, it was unnecessary and caused the death of how many innocent people?

It is interesting the perspective about GB and their imperialist objectives and how the abused many countries in slave like fashion.

Curious to think if Wallace had been president instead of Truman. Better or worse? I came out of this wondering that? Wallace? Hmmm?

I am pretty sure that IF Henry Wallace had been president and gotten his policies thru, the United States would probably be more like a European "Socialist" country with universal healthcare and other govenment social programs. also think ANY American President would have been "forced" to use the A-Bomb to end the war in the Pacific without an invasion of Japan.

and as for Truman's "racism", you have to remember the time he lived in.