I must admit, although I only started gambling a year ago, I get all nostalgic when I think about the opening line. I’m sure there was a day when guys would wait in anticipation for the sports-books to open (or for their bookie to wake up) so that they could get an edge by grabbing the opening line. But in today’s world of internet gambling going through the trouble of grabbing the opening line (especially in the NBA) is not only often unnecessary but actually puts us, the bettor, at a disadvantage. With all the ebbs and flows, highs and lows, of an NBA game there is rarely one where a bettor couldn’t have the line of his choosing (if he/she is patient enough). Just this past week I’ve seen 3 or 4 instances where people on this forum grabbed a team that a capper recommended for them to take but at a much better line then the capper himself got (with the Pistons/Bucks game being the most painful example I can think of, although I’m sure the Lakers/Kings game last night was probably just as painful for some). In those games the Pistons and Kings were available for less than -3, when the opening line was -6 and -7 respectively. Using this technique of tailing a really good capper but grabbing an even better line can really pay off in the long run.
Think about it, if you picked a team to win a game and now they are down by 5 or 6 points and you are being offered a better line, what’s changed? Nothing, except the fact that you, as a bettor, might be a lot more skittish betting on a team that is behind. But this is basketball, a game of runs and lead changes and the algorithms that are used to set lines during in game betting do not take into account human psychology and/or motivation, and that’s where the edge lies. Wire to wire wins (like the Knicks game last night) are few and far between. Additionally, there are many teams out there with the reputation for coughing up big leads (Timberwolves, for instance). Betting against such teams when they have leads can also be profitable. The biggest obstacle to in game betting (besides a family, if you have one, and time) is human psychology. Discipline and self control are key. The other thing to remember is to never pay more for a line that you could have gotten for less at opening (with rare exceptions, of course). In other words, buy low and sell high. Anyway, there is a lot more to say/add but I just wanted to get this thread started for now.
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I must admit, although I only started gambling a year ago, I get all nostalgic when I think about the opening line. I’m sure there was a day when guys would wait in anticipation for the sports-books to open (or for their bookie to wake up) so that they could get an edge by grabbing the opening line. But in today’s world of internet gambling going through the trouble of grabbing the opening line (especially in the NBA) is not only often unnecessary but actually puts us, the bettor, at a disadvantage. With all the ebbs and flows, highs and lows, of an NBA game there is rarely one where a bettor couldn’t have the line of his choosing (if he/she is patient enough). Just this past week I’ve seen 3 or 4 instances where people on this forum grabbed a team that a capper recommended for them to take but at a much better line then the capper himself got (with the Pistons/Bucks game being the most painful example I can think of, although I’m sure the Lakers/Kings game last night was probably just as painful for some). In those games the Pistons and Kings were available for less than -3, when the opening line was -6 and -7 respectively. Using this technique of tailing a really good capper but grabbing an even better line can really pay off in the long run.
Think about it, if you picked a team to win a game and now they are down by 5 or 6 points and you are being offered a better line, what’s changed? Nothing, except the fact that you, as a bettor, might be a lot more skittish betting on a team that is behind. But this is basketball, a game of runs and lead changes and the algorithms that are used to set lines during in game betting do not take into account human psychology and/or motivation, and that’s where the edge lies. Wire to wire wins (like the Knicks game last night) are few and far between. Additionally, there are many teams out there with the reputation for coughing up big leads (Timberwolves, for instance). Betting against such teams when they have leads can also be profitable. The biggest obstacle to in game betting (besides a family, if you have one, and time) is human psychology. Discipline and self control are key. The other thing to remember is to never pay more for a line that you could have gotten for less at opening (with rare exceptions, of course). In other words, buy low and sell high. Anyway, there is a lot more to say/add but I just wanted to get this thread started for now.
Speaking of opening lines beginnerboy, can you give me the lowdown on betonline regarding payouts and such? Are they as speedy of cashouts as 5dimes? Some of these opening lines they offer are atrocious, I might have to sign up to take advantage of them
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Speaking of opening lines beginnerboy, can you give me the lowdown on betonline regarding payouts and such? Are they as speedy of cashouts as 5dimes? Some of these opening lines they offer are atrocious, I might have to sign up to take advantage of them
LC, usually it is 275 or so to win 250 but I've also been able to bet anywhere from 300 to 550 (so I'm not sure how they determine the limits). Also, let's say you really love a line and you get it at -1 and a minute later it goes to -1.5 you can now bet another 275 at -1.5. Sometimes those lines keep moving up, so that even -1.5 is a good get. As far as payouts I used their wire transfer for a large sum and it took a week. It was very smooth.
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Quote Originally Posted by LeagueCapper:
And the max bet for early lines? $250?
LC, usually it is 275 or so to win 250 but I've also been able to bet anywhere from 300 to 550 (so I'm not sure how they determine the limits). Also, let's say you really love a line and you get it at -1 and a minute later it goes to -1.5 you can now bet another 275 at -1.5. Sometimes those lines keep moving up, so that even -1.5 is a good get. As far as payouts I used their wire transfer for a large sum and it took a week. It was very smooth.
Opening lines are crucial and will always be the key indicator of determining what to select especially if you are a totals bettor.
Opening lines are even more important when you have the option for in-play wagers.
The key takeaway from your post is about discipline and self control. The rest is asinine.
Of course they are, no one is arguing that. What I'm arguing is whether one should grab the opening line or wait for an even a better line in-game. I don't see how this is asinine at all, since almost 90% of these games will, at some point, offer you a better line than the one you purchased. As far as totals go, that's another discussion.
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Quote Originally Posted by hustle_man:
Opening lines are crucial and will always be the key indicator of determining what to select especially if you are a totals bettor.
Opening lines are even more important when you have the option for in-play wagers.
The key takeaway from your post is about discipline and self control. The rest is asinine.
Of course they are, no one is arguing that. What I'm arguing is whether one should grab the opening line or wait for an even a better line in-game. I don't see how this is asinine at all, since almost 90% of these games will, at some point, offer you a better line than the one you purchased. As far as totals go, that's another discussion.
LC, usually it is 275 or so to win 250 but I've also been able to bet anywhere from 300 to 550 (so I'm not sure how they determine the limits). Also, let's say you really love a line and you get it at -1 and a minute later it goes to -1.5 you can now bet another 275 at -1.5. Sometimes those lines keep moving up, so that even -1.5 is a good get. As far as payouts I used their wire transfer for a large sum and it took a week. It was very smooth.
Thanks mate
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Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:
LC, usually it is 275 or so to win 250 but I've also been able to bet anywhere from 300 to 550 (so I'm not sure how they determine the limits). Also, let's say you really love a line and you get it at -1 and a minute later it goes to -1.5 you can now bet another 275 at -1.5. Sometimes those lines keep moving up, so that even -1.5 is a good get. As far as payouts I used their wire transfer for a large sum and it took a week. It was very smooth.
Opening lines are crucial and will always be the key indicator of determining what to select especially if you are a totals bettor.
Opening lines are even more important when you have the option for in-play wagers.
The key takeaway from your post is about discipline and self control. The rest is asinine.
I agree. Opening lines for sharps remains the same, they get on it early if the line is off. That will never change... Most of the time online books wait till they see what the early action is before releasing their line. I don't consider, let's say, bodog lines as opening lines because they release their lines pretty late. It may be an 'opening line' for them but the actual opening line was far far before theirs.
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Quote Originally Posted by hustle_man:
Opening lines are crucial and will always be the key indicator of determining what to select especially if you are a totals bettor.
Opening lines are even more important when you have the option for in-play wagers.
The key takeaway from your post is about discipline and self control. The rest is asinine.
I agree. Opening lines for sharps remains the same, they get on it early if the line is off. That will never change... Most of the time online books wait till they see what the early action is before releasing their line. I don't consider, let's say, bodog lines as opening lines because they release their lines pretty late. It may be an 'opening line' for them but the actual opening line was far far before theirs.
Of course they are, no one is arguing that. What I'm arguing is whether one should grab the opening line or wait for an even a better line in-game. I don't see how this is asinine at all, since almost 90% of these games will, at some point, offer you a better line than the one you purchased. As far as totals go, that's another discussion.
Yes because it gives you the opportunity to middle if you are good at gauging which way the line will move.
Take michigan-Tennessee for example. If you got it when it opened at 1.5 then hit it again at 3/3.5 then you cashed twice.
Another example will be tonight when the spurs starters sit.
Line for OKC opened at 2.5 and then you'll be able to get the spurs at probably 8.5
Lines get even sharper come tourney and playoff time when the spread is in play the entire game down to the wire.
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Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:
Of course they are, no one is arguing that. What I'm arguing is whether one should grab the opening line or wait for an even a better line in-game. I don't see how this is asinine at all, since almost 90% of these games will, at some point, offer you a better line than the one you purchased. As far as totals go, that's another discussion.
Yes because it gives you the opportunity to middle if you are good at gauging which way the line will move.
Take michigan-Tennessee for example. If you got it when it opened at 1.5 then hit it again at 3/3.5 then you cashed twice.
Another example will be tonight when the spurs starters sit.
Line for OKC opened at 2.5 and then you'll be able to get the spurs at probably 8.5
Lines get even sharper come tourney and playoff time when the spread is in play the entire game down to the wire.
Found this old thread and wanted to bump it. It's an important point that didn't get much traction. Cavs were available last night at +2 in the 2nd quarter and they were 6 point faves. And on and on and on...
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Found this old thread and wanted to bump it. It's an important point that didn't get much traction. Cavs were available last night at +2 in the 2nd quarter and they were 6 point faves. And on and on and on...
I think the risk we face is never getting a better line once the game begins. For example, with tonight's game, what if the Spurs never go on a run and the line only climbs from where it is now. Of course your best decision there is simply to walk and play another day.
Don't get me wrong, I used this technique just this past weekend with the Cowboys. Didn't want to lay 7+ so decided to skip on the game. Once the Jags scored 10 I checked out the line and it had dropped to -5.5 so I took it. In this case it wouldn't have mattered but you can see the advantage.
Thanks for your contributions.
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Begginerboy,
I think the risk we face is never getting a better line once the game begins. For example, with tonight's game, what if the Spurs never go on a run and the line only climbs from where it is now. Of course your best decision there is simply to walk and play another day.
Don't get me wrong, I used this technique just this past weekend with the Cowboys. Didn't want to lay 7+ so decided to skip on the game. Once the Jags scored 10 I checked out the line and it had dropped to -5.5 so I took it. In this case it wouldn't have mattered but you can see the advantage.
I think the risk we face is never getting a better line once the game begins. For example, with tonight's game, what if the Spurs never go on a run and the line only climbs from where it is now. Of course your best decision there is simply to walk and play another day.
Don't get me wrong, I used this technique just this past weekend with the Cowboys. Didn't want to lay 7+ so decided to skip on the game. Once the Jags scored 10 I checked out the line and it had dropped to -5.5 so I took it. In this case it wouldn't have mattered but you can see the advantage.
Thanks for your contributions.
But this is basketball, a game of runs and lead changes and the algorithms that are used to set lines during in game betting do not take into account human psychology and/or motivation, and that’s where the edge lies. Wire to wire wins (like the Knicks game last night) are few and far between.
Wire to wire is rare in the NBA but it does happen. You can always tease it. For what it is worth, I think the Spurs will put up a fight tonight. Besides, -7 is just crazy.
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Quote Originally Posted by piruka111:
Begginerboy,
I think the risk we face is never getting a better line once the game begins. For example, with tonight's game, what if the Spurs never go on a run and the line only climbs from where it is now. Of course your best decision there is simply to walk and play another day.
Don't get me wrong, I used this technique just this past weekend with the Cowboys. Didn't want to lay 7+ so decided to skip on the game. Once the Jags scored 10 I checked out the line and it had dropped to -5.5 so I took it. In this case it wouldn't have mattered but you can see the advantage.
Thanks for your contributions.
But this is basketball, a game of runs and lead changes and the algorithms that are used to set lines during in game betting do not take into account human psychology and/or motivation, and that’s where the edge lies. Wire to wire wins (like the Knicks game last night) are few and far between.
Wire to wire is rare in the NBA but it does happen. You can always tease it. For what it is worth, I think the Spurs will put up a fight tonight. Besides, -7 is just crazy.
This guy called me a know-nothing and says he just started gambling a year ago. Then he continues to post stupid questions and theories one after another. Unreal how dumb this guy is
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This guy called me a know-nothing and says he just started gambling a year ago. Then he continues to post stupid questions and theories one after another. Unreal how dumb this guy is
i've been nba gambling a while. this is a good discussion. one problem with in-game betting is the human emotional component. it's tough to stay rational in the heat of the battle. but cool cucumbers can benefit from this style of gambling. i'm one who starts hootin' and hollerin' when i get dealt good cards. go kings!
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i've been nba gambling a while. this is a good discussion. one problem with in-game betting is the human emotional component. it's tough to stay rational in the heat of the battle. but cool cucumbers can benefit from this style of gambling. i'm one who starts hootin' and hollerin' when i get dealt good cards. go kings!
This guy called me a know-nothing and says he just started gambling a year ago. Then he continues to post stupid questions and theories one after another. Unreal how dumb this guy is
Maybe you should learn how to read and then add, and after you've done that you can go f*** yourself or just go back to losing, which a troll like you should have no difficulty doing.
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Quote Originally Posted by Carpinteria:
This guy called me a know-nothing and says he just started gambling a year ago. Then he continues to post stupid questions and theories one after another. Unreal how dumb this guy is
Maybe you should learn how to read and then add, and after you've done that you can go f*** yourself or just go back to losing, which a troll like you should have no difficulty doing.
Gotta say that I have a small list of cappers that I tend to check in on and read their posts and over the last year you have worked yourself on to this list. It is clear to me that you work at this daily like myself and take pride in your research. I also appreciate your imagination in some of your angles (The jitted lover comes to mind). Win or lose, I see every week that the cogs are turning in that head of yours evidenced by threads like these.
NBA is my favourite sport to bet on and no matter how many times it's stated in this thread or others the fact that basketball is a "game of runs" still gets lost on a lot of people placing bets. You've already touched on the benefit of inflated full game lines, but I think it's also worth noting the added inflation you can get on halftime lines. If one team is already the dog and goes down dd in the 1st quarter you can often get a very inflated halftime line that will seem ridiculous come the end of the 2nd quarter. Same applies to over/under. Both teams come out flat for the first 4 or 5 minutes and the over will hang low. Look how substitutions might alter the game. Last year, I made a lot of money taking the warriors opponent on a halftime line just before the 2nd unit came in because this unit couldn't score unless Jordan Crawford is doing his thing. Knowing how certain team's line-ups produce can be incredibly profitable for live betting.
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BB,
Gotta say that I have a small list of cappers that I tend to check in on and read their posts and over the last year you have worked yourself on to this list. It is clear to me that you work at this daily like myself and take pride in your research. I also appreciate your imagination in some of your angles (The jitted lover comes to mind). Win or lose, I see every week that the cogs are turning in that head of yours evidenced by threads like these.
NBA is my favourite sport to bet on and no matter how many times it's stated in this thread or others the fact that basketball is a "game of runs" still gets lost on a lot of people placing bets. You've already touched on the benefit of inflated full game lines, but I think it's also worth noting the added inflation you can get on halftime lines. If one team is already the dog and goes down dd in the 1st quarter you can often get a very inflated halftime line that will seem ridiculous come the end of the 2nd quarter. Same applies to over/under. Both teams come out flat for the first 4 or 5 minutes and the over will hang low. Look how substitutions might alter the game. Last year, I made a lot of money taking the warriors opponent on a halftime line just before the 2nd unit came in because this unit couldn't score unless Jordan Crawford is doing his thing. Knowing how certain team's line-ups produce can be incredibly profitable for live betting.
Maybe you should learn how to read and then add, and after you've done that you can go f*** yourself or just go back to losing, which a troll like you should have no difficulty doing.
Oh, I forgot this:
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Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:
Maybe you should learn how to read and then add, and after you've done that you can go f*** yourself or just go back to losing, which a troll like you should have no difficulty doing.
Gotta say that I have a small list of cappers that I tend to check in on and read their posts and over the last year you have worked yourself on to this list. It is clear to me that you work at this daily like myself and take pride in your research. I also appreciate your imagination in some of your angles (The jitted lover comes to mind). Win or lose, I see every week that the cogs are turning in that head of yours evidenced by threads like these.
NBA is my favourite sport to bet on and no matter how many times it's stated in this thread or others the fact that basketball is a "game of runs" still gets lost on a lot of people placing bets. You've already touched on the benefit of inflated full game lines, but I think it's also worth noting the added inflation you can get on halftime lines. If one team is already the dog and goes down dd in the 1st quarter you can often get a very inflated halftime line that will seem ridiculous come the end of the 2nd quarter. Same applies to over/under. Both teams come out flat for the first 4 or 5 minutes and the over will hang low. Look how substitutions might alter the game. Last year, I made a lot of money taking the warriors opponent on a halftime line just before the 2nd unit came in because this unit couldn't score unless Jordan Crawford is doing his thing. Knowing how certain team's line-ups produce can be incredibly profitable for live betting.
Great post and you are spot on about the Warriors 2nd unit last year. I'm glad you profited. I don't do over/unders or much live betting (because it take a certain personality type to do that, live betting that is) but I will do it on occasion (like tonight's game perhaps). Although I don't do a lot of live betting, I do pay attention to it. And you can almost get any number you want, on any side you want (with exceptions of course), during live betting.
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Quote Originally Posted by HardCheddah:
BB,
Gotta say that I have a small list of cappers that I tend to check in on and read their posts and over the last year you have worked yourself on to this list. It is clear to me that you work at this daily like myself and take pride in your research. I also appreciate your imagination in some of your angles (The jitted lover comes to mind). Win or lose, I see every week that the cogs are turning in that head of yours evidenced by threads like these.
NBA is my favourite sport to bet on and no matter how many times it's stated in this thread or others the fact that basketball is a "game of runs" still gets lost on a lot of people placing bets. You've already touched on the benefit of inflated full game lines, but I think it's also worth noting the added inflation you can get on halftime lines. If one team is already the dog and goes down dd in the 1st quarter you can often get a very inflated halftime line that will seem ridiculous come the end of the 2nd quarter. Same applies to over/under. Both teams come out flat for the first 4 or 5 minutes and the over will hang low. Look how substitutions might alter the game. Last year, I made a lot of money taking the warriors opponent on a halftime line just before the 2nd unit came in because this unit couldn't score unless Jordan Crawford is doing his thing. Knowing how certain team's line-ups produce can be incredibly profitable for live betting.
Great post and you are spot on about the Warriors 2nd unit last year. I'm glad you profited. I don't do over/unders or much live betting (because it take a certain personality type to do that, live betting that is) but I will do it on occasion (like tonight's game perhaps). Although I don't do a lot of live betting, I do pay attention to it. And you can almost get any number you want, on any side you want (with exceptions of course), during live betting.
To go back to opening lines for a second, I saw in a post you made a little while ago that you were talking about betonline opening lines and the initial moves of these lines. Is this something you track daily? I never looked at these lines before but I noticed they opened the Pelicans as somewhere around 10 point dogs yesterday. I don't remember the exact line but it definitely covered.
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To go back to opening lines for a second, I saw in a post you made a little while ago that you were talking about betonline opening lines and the initial moves of these lines. Is this something you track daily? I never looked at these lines before but I noticed they opened the Pelicans as somewhere around 10 point dogs yesterday. I don't remember the exact line but it definitely covered.
To go back to opening lines for a second, I saw in a post you made a little while ago that you were talking about betonline opening lines and the initial moves of these lines. Is this something you track daily? I never looked at these lines before but I noticed they opened the Pelicans as somewhere around 10 point dogs yesterday. I don't remember the exact line but it definitely covered.
Usually the line moves are money. Dubs opened at -4.5 and the line moved to -7.5 in minutes. I just don't have the time or patience to track them but I do consider them when making my bets.
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Quote Originally Posted by HardCheddah:
To go back to opening lines for a second, I saw in a post you made a little while ago that you were talking about betonline opening lines and the initial moves of these lines. Is this something you track daily? I never looked at these lines before but I noticed they opened the Pelicans as somewhere around 10 point dogs yesterday. I don't remember the exact line but it definitely covered.
Usually the line moves are money. Dubs opened at -4.5 and the line moved to -7.5 in minutes. I just don't have the time or patience to track them but I do consider them when making my bets.
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