wade took over that series against pacers after he got his knee drained u could see he was back its just amazing how dumb people are if u wana compare lebron to some 1 jordan should never b mentioned u should compare him to the bigO put up big numbers but wins nothing
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Quote Originally Posted by KobezKing:
wade took over that series against pacers after he got his knee drained u could see he was back its just amazing how dumb people are if u wana compare lebron to some 1 jordan should never b mentioned u should compare him to the bigO put up big numbers but wins nothing
Lets take over this thread and change topic. I know you like the Spurs tomorrow but I like OKC. OKC played well for most of the game and their length gave the Spurs a lot of trouble. They blew the 4th Q forcing too many tough shots and I dont expect that to happen again. Yes I know the Spurs had a lot of turnovers in the 1st half but that was due to OKC and their length. Perkins got into foul trouble early in the game and the Spurs were able to capitalize when OKC were playing small.
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Lets take over this thread and change topic. I know you like the Spurs tomorrow but I like OKC. OKC played well for most of the game and their length gave the Spurs a lot of trouble. They blew the 4th Q forcing too many tough shots and I dont expect that to happen again. Yes I know the Spurs had a lot of turnovers in the 1st half but that was due to OKC and their length. Perkins got into foul trouble early in the game and the Spurs were able to capitalize when OKC were playing small.
Ok, since I'm up and bored, I will throw my 2 cents in. Lebron is a better ATHLETE than Jordan. He is the best athlete I have ever seen, in any sport. However, to say he is a better OVERALL PLAYER than Jordan is just Twilight Zone.
When talking about the best overall players, you must take into account not only athleticism and stats, but rings, along with a few intangibles such as the ability to make players around you better (which Lebron has to an extent) and the most important, clutchness.
First of all, rings(legacy). Jordan didn't win his first until age 28. He started off as pretty much a spectular scorer who didn't really make his teammates better. For the most part, they just stood around and watched him early on in his career. Check out a John Paxson quote from Jordan's infamous 63-point game in the playoffs at the Garden - he actually says this very thing, and it was a loss in double OT. The thing that separates Jordan from Lebron is that instead of calling up the best players and plotting to get on the same team together, he accepted that he had to do a better job of making his teammates better, and had the competitive drive to want to play AGAINST the best players. Bird and Magic (to name just a few greats) say this same thing. They would have never wanted to play with each other, because knowing they led their teams against the best competition successfully was part of what drove them. Lebron's solution? Get with arguaby the second best player (Wade) and another superstar (Bosh) to win a championship that he failed to deliver on by simply leading his own team. And don't tell me those Cleveland teams didn't have talent. They had the best regular season record at least twice when Lebron was there. And also do not compare it to the Boston's Big Three, who all had plenty of years leading their own teams prior to coming together in 2007. They were all 3 past 30 and wanted to win, and paid their dues IMO, but that's for a different discussion. Lebron, at age 26 (just entering his prime), decided to team up with 2 other superstar players, and after putting on a public spectacle about how many championships they were going to win together (I believe 7), was a complete and total no-show in the Finals when in matterered most, and let Dirk Nowitzki (who until that point had the "soft" label) totally take his heart.
This leads me to the second intangible of a superstar player, clutchness. In fairness, Lebron has had his clutch moments, but last year's Finals no-show looms largest. I have no doubt that he will get his ring(s), but in exercising his right to team up with the best players in the league rather than leading one on his own he has forever tarnished his legacy. Circumstances can of course change, as he is only 27, but as of right now this is how it stands.
My 2 cents.
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Quote Originally Posted by ocd:
its like saying
n'sync is better then the beatles...
Hilarious.
Ok, since I'm up and bored, I will throw my 2 cents in. Lebron is a better ATHLETE than Jordan. He is the best athlete I have ever seen, in any sport. However, to say he is a better OVERALL PLAYER than Jordan is just Twilight Zone.
When talking about the best overall players, you must take into account not only athleticism and stats, but rings, along with a few intangibles such as the ability to make players around you better (which Lebron has to an extent) and the most important, clutchness.
First of all, rings(legacy). Jordan didn't win his first until age 28. He started off as pretty much a spectular scorer who didn't really make his teammates better. For the most part, they just stood around and watched him early on in his career. Check out a John Paxson quote from Jordan's infamous 63-point game in the playoffs at the Garden - he actually says this very thing, and it was a loss in double OT. The thing that separates Jordan from Lebron is that instead of calling up the best players and plotting to get on the same team together, he accepted that he had to do a better job of making his teammates better, and had the competitive drive to want to play AGAINST the best players. Bird and Magic (to name just a few greats) say this same thing. They would have never wanted to play with each other, because knowing they led their teams against the best competition successfully was part of what drove them. Lebron's solution? Get with arguaby the second best player (Wade) and another superstar (Bosh) to win a championship that he failed to deliver on by simply leading his own team. And don't tell me those Cleveland teams didn't have talent. They had the best regular season record at least twice when Lebron was there. And also do not compare it to the Boston's Big Three, who all had plenty of years leading their own teams prior to coming together in 2007. They were all 3 past 30 and wanted to win, and paid their dues IMO, but that's for a different discussion. Lebron, at age 26 (just entering his prime), decided to team up with 2 other superstar players, and after putting on a public spectacle about how many championships they were going to win together (I believe 7), was a complete and total no-show in the Finals when in matterered most, and let Dirk Nowitzki (who until that point had the "soft" label) totally take his heart.
This leads me to the second intangible of a superstar player, clutchness. In fairness, Lebron has had his clutch moments, but last year's Finals no-show looms largest. I have no doubt that he will get his ring(s), but in exercising his right to team up with the best players in the league rather than leading one on his own he has forever tarnished his legacy. Circumstances can of course change, as he is only 27, but as of right now this is how it stands.
Ok, since I'm up and bored, I will throw my 2 cents in. Lebron is a better ATHLETE than Jordan. He is the best athlete I have ever seen, in any sport. However, to say he is a better OVERALL PLAYER than Jordan is just Twilight Zone.
When talking about the best overall players, you must take into account not only athleticism and stats, but rings, along with a few intangibles such as the ability to make players around you better (which Lebron has to an extent) and the most important, clutchness.
First of all, rings(legacy). Jordan didn't win his first until age 28. He started off as pretty much a spectular scorer who didn't really make his teammates better. For the most part, they just stood around and watched him early on in his career. Check out a John Paxson quote from Jordan's infamous 63-point game in the playoffs at the Garden - he actually says this very thing, and it was a loss in double OT. The thing that separates Jordan from Lebron is that instead of calling up the best players and plotting to get on the same team together, he accepted that he had to do a better job of making his teammates better, and had the competitive drive to want to play AGAINST the best players. Bird and Magic (to name just a few greats) say this same thing. They would have never wanted to play with each other, because knowing they led their teams against the best competition successfully was part of what drove them. Lebron's solution? Get with arguaby the second best player (Wade) and another superstar (Bosh) to win a championship that he failed to deliver on by simply leading his own team. And don't tell me those Cleveland teams didn't have talent. They had the best regular season record at least twice when Lebron was there. And also do not compare it to the Boston's Big Three, who all had plenty of years leading their own teams prior to coming together in 2007. They were all 3 past 30 and wanted to win, and paid their dues IMO, but that's for a different discussion. Lebron, at age 26 (just entering his prime), decided to team up with 2 other superstar players, and after putting on a public spectacle about how many championships they were going to win together (I believe 7), was a complete and total no-show in the Finals when in matterered most, and let Dirk Nowitzki (who until that point had the "soft" label) totally take his heart.
This leads me to the second intangible of a superstar player, clutchness. In fairness, Lebron has had his clutch moments, but last year's Finals no-show looms largest. I have no doubt that he will get his ring(s), but in exercising his right to team up with the best players in the league rather than leading one on his own he has forever tarnished his legacy. Circumstances can of course change, as he is only 27, but as of right now this is how it stands.
My 2 cents.
Thnx for sharing, but i simply do not agree. Michael is not better than Lebron, just because u have rings it doesnt make u a better player, and as u said he got his first ring in the late twenties, lebron has still got plenty of time...
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Quote Originally Posted by lwilliar:
Hilarious.
Ok, since I'm up and bored, I will throw my 2 cents in. Lebron is a better ATHLETE than Jordan. He is the best athlete I have ever seen, in any sport. However, to say he is a better OVERALL PLAYER than Jordan is just Twilight Zone.
When talking about the best overall players, you must take into account not only athleticism and stats, but rings, along with a few intangibles such as the ability to make players around you better (which Lebron has to an extent) and the most important, clutchness.
First of all, rings(legacy). Jordan didn't win his first until age 28. He started off as pretty much a spectular scorer who didn't really make his teammates better. For the most part, they just stood around and watched him early on in his career. Check out a John Paxson quote from Jordan's infamous 63-point game in the playoffs at the Garden - he actually says this very thing, and it was a loss in double OT. The thing that separates Jordan from Lebron is that instead of calling up the best players and plotting to get on the same team together, he accepted that he had to do a better job of making his teammates better, and had the competitive drive to want to play AGAINST the best players. Bird and Magic (to name just a few greats) say this same thing. They would have never wanted to play with each other, because knowing they led their teams against the best competition successfully was part of what drove them. Lebron's solution? Get with arguaby the second best player (Wade) and another superstar (Bosh) to win a championship that he failed to deliver on by simply leading his own team. And don't tell me those Cleveland teams didn't have talent. They had the best regular season record at least twice when Lebron was there. And also do not compare it to the Boston's Big Three, who all had plenty of years leading their own teams prior to coming together in 2007. They were all 3 past 30 and wanted to win, and paid their dues IMO, but that's for a different discussion. Lebron, at age 26 (just entering his prime), decided to team up with 2 other superstar players, and after putting on a public spectacle about how many championships they were going to win together (I believe 7), was a complete and total no-show in the Finals when in matterered most, and let Dirk Nowitzki (who until that point had the "soft" label) totally take his heart.
This leads me to the second intangible of a superstar player, clutchness. In fairness, Lebron has had his clutch moments, but last year's Finals no-show looms largest. I have no doubt that he will get his ring(s), but in exercising his right to team up with the best players in the league rather than leading one on his own he has forever tarnished his legacy. Circumstances can of course change, as he is only 27, but as of right now this is how it stands.
My 2 cents.
Thnx for sharing, but i simply do not agree. Michael is not better than Lebron, just because u have rings it doesnt make u a better player, and as u said he got his first ring in the late twenties, lebron has still got plenty of time...
Thnx for sharing, but i simply do not agree. Michael is not better than Lebron, just because u have rings it doesnt make u a better player, and as u said he got his first ring in the late twenties, lebron has still got plenty of time...
Youre not staying on topic damnit. Whos gonna cover the spread tomorrow? OKC or SA?
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Quote Originally Posted by BostonCelticFTW:
Thnx for sharing, but i simply do not agree. Michael is not better than Lebron, just because u have rings it doesnt make u a better player, and as u said he got his first ring in the late twenties, lebron has still got plenty of time...
Youre not staying on topic damnit. Whos gonna cover the spread tomorrow? OKC or SA?
lebrons 1st finals appearance 22 ppg 7asst 7 reb on 35% shooting and 6 turnovers per game 1steal .5 blocks.... jordan 1st finals 32 ppg on 56% shootin 11ast 7 reb per game 2.8 steals an 1.5 b;ocks
2nd finals appearance Lebron 17.8 ppg 47% shootin 7 reb 7 ast 4 turnovers per game 1.6 st .5 blocks
Jordan 2nd finals appearance 35.8 ppg 0n 52.6% 6.5 asst 5 reb 2 turnovers per game 1.7 stls .4 blocks
and just so u know jordans 3rd finals appearance 41 ppg 8.5 reb 6.5 asst 51% shooting 1.7 stls .7 blocks 2.5 turnovers per game and they went 3 an 0 in finals by the way and lebron 0an2 so far
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lebrons 1st finals appearance 22 ppg 7asst 7 reb on 35% shooting and 6 turnovers per game 1steal .5 blocks.... jordan 1st finals 32 ppg on 56% shootin 11ast 7 reb per game 2.8 steals an 1.5 b;ocks
2nd finals appearance Lebron 17.8 ppg 47% shootin 7 reb 7 ast 4 turnovers per game 1.6 st .5 blocks
Jordan 2nd finals appearance 35.8 ppg 0n 52.6% 6.5 asst 5 reb 2 turnovers per game 1.7 stls .4 blocks
and just so u know jordans 3rd finals appearance 41 ppg 8.5 reb 6.5 asst 51% shooting 1.7 stls .7 blocks 2.5 turnovers per game and they went 3 an 0 in finals by the way and lebron 0an2 so far
and what does freak athlete have to do with anything, so by ur argument we will just say michael vick is greatest qb of all time 1000x better than montana cuz hes a freak athlete
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and what does freak athlete have to do with anything, so by ur argument we will just say michael vick is greatest qb of all time 1000x better than montana cuz hes a freak athlete
wait so michael vick isnt a freak athlete hes a quarterback that is probably the fastest guy on field and probably 1 of strongest arms league has ever seen
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wait so michael vick isnt a freak athlete hes a quarterback that is probably the fastest guy on field and probably 1 of strongest arms league has ever seen
ur right vicks not a freak athlete??? but u know wat is freaky lebrons nba finals statistics if thats the best this league has ever seen then that is pathetic
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ur right vicks not a freak athlete??? but u know wat is freaky lebrons nba finals statistics if thats the best this league has ever seen then that is pathetic
why are u even talking about michael vick the little dog killer, Michael vick is in no business, he is horrible, he is so poor and his technique is awful and the kid throws like day / night. Dont tell me thats what you call a freak athlethe, because then u havent seen lebron play
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why are u even talking about michael vick the little dog killer, Michael vick is in no business, he is horrible, he is so poor and his technique is awful and the kid throws like day / night. Dont tell me thats what you call a freak athlethe, because then u havent seen lebron play
vick is a piece of shit i agree but still freak athlete i have seen lebron play and i also seen jordan play and for u to say lebron is better than jordan is ridiculous. u have nothing to support ur argument
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vick is a piece of shit i agree but still freak athlete i have seen lebron play and i also seen jordan play and for u to say lebron is better than jordan is ridiculous. u have nothing to support ur argument
Remember when the first pair of J's came out!!!! I shined them bad boys up every night. Soooo sic! Changed the shoe game. Sorry LBJ. Your kicks suck donkey balls. That's all I got
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Remember when the first pair of J's came out!!!! I shined them bad boys up every night. Soooo sic! Changed the shoe game. Sorry LBJ. Your kicks suck donkey balls. That's all I got
Game on the line I would take Jordan anyday. He wants the ball in the end. Lebron goes and hides! Lebron is good but to say he is better than Jordan I don't see it.
Just my opinion!
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Game on the line I would take Jordan anyday. He wants the ball in the end. Lebron goes and hides! Lebron is good but to say he is better than Jordan I don't see it.
Whoever even brought up Vick is an idiot. LeBrons not just a freak athlete but is the best at everything on the court... everything
seriously?? Can someone go buy this guy the VHS tapes (he might not have a VCR) of all the bulls championship and let this KID see what Jordan done on the court. lol what a joke.
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Quote Originally Posted by osc239:
Whoever even brought up Vick is an idiot. LeBrons not just a freak athlete but is the best at everything on the court... everything
seriously?? Can someone go buy this guy the VHS tapes (he might not have a VCR) of all the bulls championship and let this KID see what Jordan done on the court. lol what a joke.
Don't forget that he went play baseball in the minor leagues and he would of went to the majors?? If that lockout in MLB didn't happened he wouldn't of went back to the NBA.
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Don't forget that he went play baseball in the minor leagues and he would of went to the majors?? If that lockout in MLB didn't happened he wouldn't of went back to the NBA.
Whoever even brought up Vick is an idiot. LeBrons not just a freak athlete but is the best at everything on the court... everything
No youre the idiot. Vick was a freak athlete. He may not have been considered the best QB in the league but at some point he was def up there. Guy was fast as hell and almost impossible to set up a defensive game plan against him. His accuracy wasnt great but damn he could throw the long ball. Dude was taking his team to the playoffs with Algae Crumpler as his go to guy.
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Quote Originally Posted by osc239:
Whoever even brought up Vick is an idiot. LeBrons not just a freak athlete but is the best at everything on the court... everything
No youre the idiot. Vick was a freak athlete. He may not have been considered the best QB in the league but at some point he was def up there. Guy was fast as hell and almost impossible to set up a defensive game plan against him. His accuracy wasnt great but damn he could throw the long ball. Dude was taking his team to the playoffs with Algae Crumpler as his go to guy.
I will be laughing at all the haters when Lebron has 9 rings in 10 years, what will your excuse be at that time? You haters will probably be saying "but he doesnt have 10"!!! He is horrible!"
In order to get "9 rings in 10 years"......YOU HAVE TO WIN 1 FIRST!!!! Funny................
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Quote Originally Posted by BostonCelticFTW:
I will be laughing at all the haters when Lebron has 9 rings in 10 years, what will your excuse be at that time? You haters will probably be saying "but he doesnt have 10"!!! He is horrible!"
In order to get "9 rings in 10 years"......YOU HAVE TO WIN 1 FIRST!!!! Funny................
Lmfao at all these 12 year olds digging Michael jordan because of some highlights on youtube, they obviously havent watched basketball. If you know about basketball, you would know that Lebron is 1000x better than this little kid, he would outschool him everyday, look at Lebrons tools, he has NOTHING, and when michael jordan played it was horrible players besides him, they didnt even play defense back then LOL. Tell me, what kinda team do LeBron have? He has; Dwyayne "i cant step up" wade, and he has an injured Chris bosh, and the most horrible bench without any depth, yet the manages pulls through like a real leader should, even his coach is calling horrible calls, and Miamis defense is horrible without LeBron.
There is no-way in your incoherent rambling you can ever be serious stating MJ is better than LeBron, you are so pathetic if you compare these 2, LeBron is OUTSTANDING, and he is on a totally different level than MJ is. LeBron is probably the best athlete to ever have lived when you look overall in all sports. Lmfao at these kids, MJ looks like he doesnt know what a basketball is when you compare him to king lebron.
The only chance for us (Boston Celtics) to win the finals is if Lebron gets injured or if LeBron has to do the job on his own, because Miami has a horrible horrible team besides LeBron. Tbh, without LeBron James the Miami Heat is the worst team in NBA history if wade doesnt show up.
LeBron > MJ - BY FAR
shut up
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Quote Originally Posted by BostonCelticFTW:
Lmfao at all these 12 year olds digging Michael jordan because of some highlights on youtube, they obviously havent watched basketball. If you know about basketball, you would know that Lebron is 1000x better than this little kid, he would outschool him everyday, look at Lebrons tools, he has NOTHING, and when michael jordan played it was horrible players besides him, they didnt even play defense back then LOL. Tell me, what kinda team do LeBron have? He has; Dwyayne "i cant step up" wade, and he has an injured Chris bosh, and the most horrible bench without any depth, yet the manages pulls through like a real leader should, even his coach is calling horrible calls, and Miamis defense is horrible without LeBron.
There is no-way in your incoherent rambling you can ever be serious stating MJ is better than LeBron, you are so pathetic if you compare these 2, LeBron is OUTSTANDING, and he is on a totally different level than MJ is. LeBron is probably the best athlete to ever have lived when you look overall in all sports. Lmfao at these kids, MJ looks like he doesnt know what a basketball is when you compare him to king lebron.
The only chance for us (Boston Celtics) to win the finals is if Lebron gets injured or if LeBron has to do the job on his own, because Miami has a horrible horrible team besides LeBron. Tbh, without LeBron James the Miami Heat is the worst team in NBA history if wade doesnt show up.
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