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    Why would anyone lay 2 TD with Boston tonight?

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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2008 - 12:29 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by clowninmyside:

    this hawks team has gained confidence over these 2 home games that is for sure.  it will be a different team then you saw in the first 2 games.  plus when doc rivers is your coach anythings possible.

     

    agreed...I think they have enough confidence to play WITH the Celtics tonight.....I'm not sure about the ML, but I can't resist the 14.5. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by clowninmyside:

    this hawks team has gained confidence over these 2 home games that is for sure.  it will be a different team then you saw in the first 2 games.  plus when doc rivers is your coach anythings possible.

     

    agreed...I think they have enough confidence to play WITH the Celtics tonight.....I'm not sure about the ML, but I can't resist the 14.5. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2008 - 12:31 PM ET #27

    agreed wasa - but if youve watched all 4 games, the hawks tried to play half court with boston in the first 2 and got shut down...games 3 and 4 (with nothing to lose) they used their athleticism to their advantage and took it to boston. i think they are still playing with house money tonight

    this is not the same hawks team from games 1 and 2. this one knows they can outrun and outhustle boston regardless of homefloor


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    agreed wasa - but if youve watched all 4 games, the hawks tried to play half court with boston in the first 2 and got shut down...games 3 and 4 (with nothing to lose) they used their athleticism to their advantage and took it to boston. i think they are still playing with house money tonight

    this is not the same hawks team from games 1 and 2. this one knows they can outrun and outhustle boston regardless of homefloor


     
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2008 - 12:48 PM ET #28

    koaj - I didn't say the crowd was the only reason for their wins in games 3 and 4, but hard to ignore home court after looking at the results of games 1 and 2 and then games 3 and 4.
     
    Just don't see them being able to counter a Celtics run without the Atlanta crowd ...
     
    I actually hope Atlanta wins this series, but just feeling a Celtic cover tonight
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    koaj - I didn't say the crowd was the only reason for their wins in games 3 and 4, but hard to ignore home court after looking at the results of games 1 and 2 and then games 3 and 4.
     
    Just don't see them being able to counter a Celtics run without the Atlanta crowd ...
     
    I actually hope Atlanta wins this series, but just feeling a Celtic cover tonight
     
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2008 - 12:53 PM ET #29

    good points KOAJ.... Atlanta's been like that all season, like Jekyll and Hyde.  If they get the running game goin' and Johnson gets off they feed off it and the young bigs start rollin' and good things happen all around. 

    They can play with anyone if they come out strong.  If not, you see Horford and Smith play with no energy (see games 1 and 2 in Boston).

    Gonna lay a small value on the ML for shits and giggles and watch to see how the first half plays out.


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    good points KOAJ.... Atlanta's been like that all season, like Jekyll and Hyde.  If they get the running game goin' and Johnson gets off they feed off it and the young bigs start rollin' and good things happen all around. 

    They can play with anyone if they come out strong.  If not, you see Horford and Smith play with no energy (see games 1 and 2 in Boston).

    Gonna lay a small value on the ML for shits and giggles and watch to see how the first half plays out.


     
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2008 - 12:58 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    letsdo/spaz - so the hawks wins in game 3 and 4 were based off the crowd only? thats what im reading from you

    what are your thoughts about tempo, style of play, rebounding advantage for the hawks in 3 of 4 games so far?

    No, BUT playing at home helped a whole f-ing lot (especially in game four when they were down double digits going into the fourth quarter). 

    To be honest, I do not have any thoughts about tempo, style of play, or rebounding in this series.  I know what has happened thus far in this series.  I know what went down in games three and four.  I know this series is tied 2 - 2.

    I asked myself this:  How can I take the Hawks for a fourth straight time ATS, when all of a sudden, bettors actually find the points attractive?

    I can't, and I won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    letsdo/spaz - so the hawks wins in game 3 and 4 were based off the crowd only? thats what im reading from you

    what are your thoughts about tempo, style of play, rebounding advantage for the hawks in 3 of 4 games so far?

    No, BUT playing at home helped a whole f-ing lot (especially in game four when they were down double digits going into the fourth quarter). 

    To be honest, I do not have any thoughts about tempo, style of play, or rebounding in this series.  I know what has happened thus far in this series.  I know what went down in games three and four.  I know this series is tied 2 - 2.

    I asked myself this:  How can I take the Hawks for a fourth straight time ATS, when all of a sudden, bettors actually find the points attractive?

    I can't, and I won't.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2008 - 1:04 PM ET #31

    i dont think highly at all of the wizards. i dont think they play a lick of defense and have never trusted arenas to do anything of substance in a big spot (although he will ring up 40 on PHX in january and tell you all about it).





    Arenas could be the best player in the history of the league.  Just could be.  Also with "Tough Juice" and twan, this team is primed to make a run and win it all this year.  Wiz + the points please. 
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    i dont think highly at all of the wizards. i dont think they play a lick of defense and have never trusted arenas to do anything of substance in a big spot (although he will ring up 40 on PHX in january and tell you all about it).





    Arenas could be the best player in the history of the league.  Just could be.  Also with "Tough Juice" and twan, this team is primed to make a run and win it all this year.  Wiz + the points please. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2008 - 1:11 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    anyone remember Game 5 here?

    cavs were +10 i believe and the ML was +800

    i had both after watching cleveland mature in games 3 and 4 winning both at home against the best team in basketball

     

    KOAJ, that Game 5 upset by the Cavaliers in 2006 was big, but those Cavs won 50 games and went a respectable 19-22 on the road that season.  These Hawks went 37-45 including an awful 12-29 on the road.  I'll give anyone +2000 on the Hawks tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    anyone remember Game 5 here?

    cavs were +10 i believe and the ML was +800

    i had both after watching cleveland mature in games 3 and 4 winning both at home against the best team in basketball

     

    KOAJ, that Game 5 upset by the Cavaliers in 2006 was big, but those Cavs won 50 games and went a respectable 19-22 on the road that season.  These Hawks went 37-45 including an awful 12-29 on the road.  I'll give anyone +2000 on the Hawks tonight.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2008 - 1:15 PM ET #33

    Arenas could be the best player in the history of the game

    Wizards plus points tonight??????  Long rest for the CAVS on their way back to Cleveland...series could end tonight and the cavs can sit back and rest....Wizards give up way to many offensive rebounds...Cavs minus 5 is a bargain.
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    Arenas could be the best player in the history of the game

    Wizards plus points tonight??????  Long rest for the CAVS on their way back to Cleveland...series could end tonight and the cavs can sit back and rest....Wizards give up way to many offensive rebounds...Cavs minus 5 is a bargain.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2008 - 1:16 PM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by Macakron19:

    You cannot base 2 wins on home crowd alone....For Boston to be favored by 14 is crazy...they may very well be a great team...however a huge line like that for a playoff game makes a strong point to take the +14 since it is the PLAYOFFS and games swing at the drop of a hat....

    Cavs favored by 5 tonight...and it's Cleveland with crazy fans that love this team and hate Washington...so why wouldn't the cavs be favored by 8 or 9.  Same goes for Boston...they should absolutely be favored but I would think more along the lines of 8 or 9 1/2.

     

     

    Why is it crazy when Boston already easily covered lines of -15 in both its home games?  Now you think they should be favored by just 9 points?  Are you that swayed by what happened to the Celtics in Atlanta?  I see the Celtics having those 14 points covered by halftime, and it only gets worse for the Hawks after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macakron19:

    You cannot base 2 wins on home crowd alone....For Boston to be favored by 14 is crazy...they may very well be a great team...however a huge line like that for a playoff game makes a strong point to take the +14 since it is the PLAYOFFS and games swing at the drop of a hat....

    Cavs favored by 5 tonight...and it's Cleveland with crazy fans that love this team and hate Washington...so why wouldn't the cavs be favored by 8 or 9.  Same goes for Boston...they should absolutely be favored but I would think more along the lines of 8 or 9 1/2.

     

     

    Why is it crazy when Boston already easily covered lines of -15 in both its home games?  Now you think they should be favored by just 9 points?  Are you that swayed by what happened to the Celtics in Atlanta?  I see the Celtics having those 14 points covered by halftime, and it only gets worse for the Hawks after that.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2008 - 1:22 PM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by Macakron19:

    Arenas could be the best player in the history of the game

    Wizards plus points tonight??????  Long rest for the CAVS on their way back to Cleveland...series could end tonight and the cavs can sit back and rest....Wizards give up way to many offensive rebounds...Cavs minus 5 is a bargain.


    The last three years before his injury this year he averaged at least 25 points, 6 assists, and 1.5 steals per game.  Peaking w/ his last two seasons at 28.5 points per game plus.  Lethal in the clutch.  Can score whenever he wants.  Best player ever pretty much. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macakron19:

    Arenas could be the best player in the history of the game

    Wizards plus points tonight??????  Long rest for the CAVS on their way back to Cleveland...series could end tonight and the cavs can sit back and rest....Wizards give up way to many offensive rebounds...Cavs minus 5 is a bargain.


    The last three years before his injury this year he averaged at least 25 points, 6 assists, and 1.5 steals per game.  Peaking w/ his last two seasons at 28.5 points per game plus.  Lethal in the clutch.  Can score whenever he wants.  Best player ever pretty much. 
     
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    Arenas could be the best player in the history of the league.  Just could be.  Also with "Tough Juice" and twan, this team is primed to make a run and win it all this year.  Wiz + the points please. 

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    can i have some of what you are smoking

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    Arenas could be the best player in the history of the league.  Just could be.  Also with "Tough Juice" and twan, this team is primed to make a run and win it all this year.  Wiz + the points please. 

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    can i have some of what you are smoking

     
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2008 - 1:31 PM ET #37

    ATL +14, take the points...  Now they know the C's are beatable, we will not see a repeat of game 1 and 2.
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    ATL +14, take the points...  Now they know the C's are beatable, we will not see a repeat of game 1 and 2.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2008 - 1:34 PM ET #38

    Gilbert = The Best ever



    - Gilbert after the Wizards win by 17 tonight.
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    Gilbert = The Best ever



    - Gilbert after the Wizards win by 17 tonight.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2008 - 1:36 PM ET #39

    C's shoulud cover the spread with ease because as bad as the Celtics looked in Atlanta the Hawks looked even worse in Boston in the first two games of the series.  Atlanta is a horrible road team.
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    C's shoulud cover the spread with ease because as bad as the Celtics looked in Atlanta the Hawks looked even worse in Boston in the first two games of the series.  Atlanta is a horrible road team.
     
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    Gilbert is hurting,dont see him doing much in the last game of series today. 
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    Gilbert is hurting,dont see him doing much in the last game of series today. 
     
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    DeShawn after LeBron goes for 35, 13 and 11 -
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2008 - 1:37 PM ET #42

    Gilbert goes for 78.  Crowd goes nuts and realizes how much better than LBJ he is. 
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    Gilbert goes for 78.  Crowd goes nuts and realizes how much better than LBJ he is. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBator:

     

    KOAJ, that Game 5 upset by the Cavaliers in 2006 was big, but those Cavs won 50 games and went a respectable 19-22 on the road that season.  These Hawks went 37-45 including an awful 12-29 on the road.  I'll give anyone +2000 on the Hawks tonight.



    obviously no LBJ in red tonight for the hawks which is big. with doc rivers, anything is possible.

    is it possible for a light switch to go on for a team intra-series?

    spaz - SI is showing 59/41 on boston laying the 2 touchdowns...so bettors arent finding the points that attractive...if you believe those stats

    i'm not trying to put myself out there as an nba expert...far from it...i just like to find when things change in real life yet perception remains close to the same

    something changed in game 3, then again in Q4 game 4. hawks got wiser and tougher and doc reverted back to being an idiot. does a change of scenery make doc less of an idiot? does it make the hawks into a scared 8 seed bitch? is the mentality of this hawks team different than it was in games 1 and 2?
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    KOAJ, that Game 5 upset by the Cavaliers in 2006 was big, but those Cavs won 50 games and went a respectable 19-22 on the road that season.  These Hawks went 37-45 including an awful 12-29 on the road.  I'll give anyone +2000 on the Hawks tonight.



    obviously no LBJ in red tonight for the hawks which is big. with doc rivers, anything is possible.

    is it possible for a light switch to go on for a team intra-series?

    spaz - SI is showing 59/41 on boston laying the 2 touchdowns...so bettors arent finding the points that attractive...if you believe those stats

    i'm not trying to put myself out there as an nba expert...far from it...i just like to find when things change in real life yet perception remains close to the same

    something changed in game 3, then again in Q4 game 4. hawks got wiser and tougher and doc reverted back to being an idiot. does a change of scenery make doc less of an idiot? does it make the hawks into a scared 8 seed bitch? is the mentality of this hawks team different than it was in games 1 and 2?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2008 - 1:39 PM ET #44

    Quote Originally Posted by DannyChoi:

    Gilbert goes for 78.  Crowd goes nuts and realizes how much better than LBJ he is. 


    i like hibachi but not in cleveland danny
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    Gilbert goes for 78.  Crowd goes nuts and realizes how much better than LBJ he is. 


    i like hibachi but not in cleveland danny
     
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2008 - 1:47 PM ET #45

    No jk about the Gilbert stuff, I love him, but hes flawed.


    KOAJ- Im seriously about to DUMP on the Hawks.  I just think getting 14 points here could be the steal of the century.  I love this play.  I cannot talk myself out of it.  Hawks have confidence, and could win out-right.........At least back door cover.  14 is way too many this should be like 8 or 9, so a gift of 5 points in my opinion. 
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    KOAJ- Im seriously about to DUMP on the Hawks.  I just think getting 14 points here could be the steal of the century.  I love this play.  I cannot talk myself out of it.  Hawks have confidence, and could win out-right.........At least back door cover.  14 is way too many this should be like 8 or 9, so a gift of 5 points in my opinion. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2008 - 1:53 PM ET #46

    Atlanta sucks on the road... they have been all year

    you guys are crazy if you want to put your money on them tonight in a 2-2 series
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    you guys are crazy if you want to put your money on them tonight in a 2-2 series
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by swolesbee:



    Do you watch the wizards? or the nba for that matter. There is no way to put this nicely...ur an idiot. Gilbert is over-rated, and this year his team would be better if he didnt play.


    Get a clue man.  I like Gilbert a lot, but obviously Im joking.  When I make statements like "Gilbert puts up 78 tonight" a smart person would probably understand that Im not completely serious.  But since you're obviously dumb, it ok, you get a pass. 
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    Do you watch the wizards? or the nba for that matter. There is no way to put this nicely...ur an idiot. Gilbert is over-rated, and this year his team would be better if he didnt play.


    Get a clue man.  I like Gilbert a lot, but obviously Im joking.  When I make statements like "Gilbert puts up 78 tonight" a smart person would probably understand that Im not completely serious.  But since you're obviously dumb, it ok, you get a pass. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by swolesbee:

    nevermind, just saw ur thread saying u were kidding...i will remove the idiot title i bestowed upon you.

    ok just saw your thread where you realized I was kidding.  So i remove the "dumb" title I bestowed upon you.  We're even.  Fair enough. 
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    nevermind, just saw ur thread saying u were kidding...i will remove the idiot title i bestowed upon you.

    ok just saw your thread where you realized I was kidding.  So i remove the "dumb" title I bestowed upon you.  We're even.  Fair enough. 
     
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    14pts. is it football season?
     
    There are some good points in this thread but the most important statement to me as a bettor is;  "doc deviated from what he did in 1 and 2 and what he did all season" from KOAJ's post.  If Doc does not get back to what got him here I could see the Hawks get very close to winning this.  I do give credit to the home court as I was at Phillips Arena in Game 3 and the energy in that place rivaled a football game.  Teams do feed off of that when they are having success but if the wheels start coming off and Atlanta takes a lead late that crowd becomes a mob. 
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    There are some good points in this thread but the most important statement to me as a bettor is;  "doc deviated from what he did in 1 and 2 and what he did all season" from KOAJ's post.  If Doc does not get back to what got him here I could see the Hawks get very close to winning this.  I do give credit to the home court as I was at Phillips Arena in Game 3 and the energy in that place rivaled a football game.  Teams do feed off of that when they are having success but if the wheels start coming off and Atlanta takes a lead late that crowd becomes a mob. 
     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2008 - 2:14 PM ET #50

    i would sooner lay 14 points with dave wannestedt than i would doc rivers
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