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    NattyBumpo
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    Posted: Aug. 14, 2011 - 2:03 PM ET #1

    Bad defensive tms are generally gd to bet against when they are giving points. Dont want to suggest blindly betting any angle but knowing who these tms are on the card each wk is a step in the right direction.

    If anybody has a favorite tm or a team that they are very tuned into that they strongly believe would qualify and definitly perform as one of the "10 worst defenses" (where they rank is not worth a debate, its just important that the tm truly fits the billing) please list the tm or tm(s) u are sure will give it up defensively.
    Im pretty sure (for example) Denver and Houston will b somewhere on the list of "10 worst defenses" throughout the season.
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    Bad defensive tms are generally gd to bet against when they are giving points. Dont want to suggest blindly betting any angle but knowing who these tms are on the card each wk is a step in the right direction.

    If anybody has a favorite tm or a team that they are very tuned into that they strongly believe would qualify and definitly perform as one of the "10 worst defenses" (where they rank is not worth a debate, its just important that the tm truly fits the billing) please list the tm or tm(s) u are sure will give it up defensively.
    Im pretty sure (for example) Denver and Houston will b somewhere on the list of "10 worst defenses" throughout the season.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 14, 2011 - 4:59 PM ET #2

    Washington, Minnesota, Seattle are the first 3 come to my mind.  
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    Posted: Aug. 14, 2011 - 5:19 PM ET #3

    Houston is going to be great this yr with Wade Phillips running the 3-4 D. I see them winning the AFC South!!
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    Houston is going to be great this yr with Wade Phillips running the 3-4 D. I see them winning the AFC South!!
     
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    Posted: Aug. 14, 2011 - 7:20 PM ET #4

    Saints will be strong up front on the defensive line ....
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    Posted: Aug. 14, 2011 - 9:54 PM ET #5

    Thanks for input fellas. More would b nice.
    I think Im gonna agree with Sea and Minn will probably fit into this list. Not sure I can agree with Wash but they usually have to carry the load by being on the field an awful lot. Ill concede that it is possible they scratch the bottom ten. I like the Saints to improve defensively. Breese is determined and focused to get his off back on top and theres no doubt in my mind hes smart/talented/determined enough to do so. More off means defense has to work less and surely the Saints have addressed some of the defensive issues. Definitely envision a defense that wont make my list this yr. Houston is possibly in a similar position as NO but on a much more questionable result in both departments in my opinion. Ill take the believe it when I see it attitude but I will be very keen to observe and take special notes on poss improvement early on.
    What about Indy, Stl, Atl, Ari or Mia? Im not sure but these are a few that have possibilities of allowing a lot of points as well. Does anyone have a good feel for how any of these tms will fare defensively.

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    Thanks for input fellas. More would b nice.
    I think Im gonna agree with Sea and Minn will probably fit into this list. Not sure I can agree with Wash but they usually have to carry the load by being on the field an awful lot. Ill concede that it is possible they scratch the bottom ten. I like the Saints to improve defensively. Breese is determined and focused to get his off back on top and theres no doubt in my mind hes smart/talented/determined enough to do so. More off means defense has to work less and surely the Saints have addressed some of the defensive issues. Definitely envision a defense that wont make my list this yr. Houston is possibly in a similar position as NO but on a much more questionable result in both departments in my opinion. Ill take the believe it when I see it attitude but I will be very keen to observe and take special notes on poss improvement early on.
    What about Indy, Stl, Atl, Ari or Mia? Im not sure but these are a few that have possibilities of allowing a lot of points as well. Does anyone have a good feel for how any of these tms will fare defensively.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 14, 2011 - 10:31 PM ET #6

    As a team, the Jaguars were a great over the total bet last season, and I see no reason to think any differently this year. Several fantasy football sites have the Jacksonville defense rated dead last, and for good reason.

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    As a team, the Jaguars were a great over the total bet last season, and I see no reason to think any differently this year. Several fantasy football sites have the Jacksonville defense rated dead last, and for good reason.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 14, 2011 - 10:33 PM ET #7

    If I am not mistaken there has not been a single game played this year. That being said, how can I possibly know who the 10 worst teams are going to be on defense??  Maybe you should wait until at least 5 or 6 games have been played to determine who is who!!  Do not get it twisted using last years stats or pre-season games because it changes from year to year!!  Just my 3 cents.....    
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    If I am not mistaken there has not been a single game played this year. That being said, how can I possibly know who the 10 worst teams are going to be on defense??  Maybe you should wait until at least 5 or 6 games have been played to determine who is who!!  Do not get it twisted using last years stats or pre-season games because it changes from year to year!!  Just my 3 cents.....    
     
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2011 - 12:14 AM ET #8

    Drifter.... U point is absolutely correct. Actually, the fact that these things change from year to year is what makes trying to formulate a picture of what these changes might b (in order to get a step ahead of public perception
    and the oddsmakers who do base a lot of thier stand on games based on last
    season and ,whether they admit it or not, the preseason) so important if u want to bet the first 3 or 4 wks.
    Theres no edge in waiting 5 wks for the same info everyone else gets.
    The rub, however, is u better b correct (or lucky if you are of the glass half school of philosophy) in the predicted assessment.
    So we try.
    I post this thread in hopes of getting insights outside my own and encourage
    everyone to take what they find of value and discard what they feel is rubbish.

    But, going back to Drifters comment on change.... I agree that the list will be different. A few will improve and climb out of the "ten worst defenses", a few will unexpectedly join the list, and some will remain.....we can sit back for 1/3 of the season and start capping with the same stats as every Tom Dick and Harry or.... Attempt to fill in the blanks with some collective insights around the nation.
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    Drifter.... U point is absolutely correct. Actually, the fact that these things change from year to year is what makes trying to formulate a picture of what these changes might b (in order to get a step ahead of public perception
    and the oddsmakers who do base a lot of thier stand on games based on last
    season and ,whether they admit it or not, the preseason) so important if u want to bet the first 3 or 4 wks.
    Theres no edge in waiting 5 wks for the same info everyone else gets.
    The rub, however, is u better b correct (or lucky if you are of the glass half school of philosophy) in the predicted assessment.
    So we try.
    I post this thread in hopes of getting insights outside my own and encourage
    everyone to take what they find of value and discard what they feel is rubbish.

    But, going back to Drifters comment on change.... I agree that the list will be different. A few will improve and climb out of the "ten worst defenses", a few will unexpectedly join the list, and some will remain.....we can sit back for 1/3 of the season and start capping with the same stats as every Tom Dick and Harry or.... Attempt to fill in the blanks with some collective insights around the nation.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2011 - 12:43 AM ET #9

    I have to respectfully disagree on Minnesota. They were 8th in total defense last year despite being on the field a bunch due to all their offensive struggles last year. No way are they a bottom ten defense, in fact they may be back in the top five this year if they get some help from McNabb and the offense.

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    I have to respectfully disagree on Minnesota. They were 8th in total defense last year despite being on the field a bunch due to all their offensive struggles last year. No way are they a bottom ten defense, in fact they may be back in the top five this year if they get some help from McNabb and the offense.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2011 - 12:53 AM ET #10

    The botton 10 last year as far as total defense goes were Denver, Wash, Houston, Ariz, Jax, Seattle, Tenn, Pats, Bills, and Dallas.  For most points allowed only the bottom 10 were Denver, Arizona, Dallas, Houston, Buff, Jax, Carolina, Seattle, Cincy, and Indy. 
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    The botton 10 last year as far as total defense goes were Denver, Wash, Houston, Ariz, Jax, Seattle, Tenn, Pats, Bills, and Dallas.  For most points allowed only the bottom 10 were Denver, Arizona, Dallas, Houston, Buff, Jax, Carolina, Seattle, Cincy, and Indy. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2011 - 1:03 AM ET #11

    It will be interesting to see which of these teams improves on defense the most. I would think Houston with Phillips as the new defensive coach would do so and Dallas should be helped by Ryan.
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    It will be interesting to see which of these teams improves on defense the most. I would think Houston with Phillips as the new defensive coach would do so and Dallas should be helped by Ryan.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2011 - 1:27 AM ET #12

    From a combination of yardage allowed & points scored against i'd say Buffalo, Arizona, Washington, Tennessee, Indy, Seattle, Denver, Cleveland, Atlanta & Jacksonville. Dishonorable mention to Detroit & Cincinnati.
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    From a combination of yardage allowed & points scored against i'd say Buffalo, Arizona, Washington, Tennessee, Indy, Seattle, Denver, Cleveland, Atlanta & Jacksonville. Dishonorable mention to Detroit & Cincinnati.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2011 - 2:59 AM ET #13

    Bills, Jags and Seahawks for sure.
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2011 - 3:16 AM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by NattyBumpo:

    Thanks for input fellas. More would b nice.
    I think Im gonna agree with Sea and Minn will probably fit into this list. Not sure I can agree with Wash but they usually have to carry the load by being on the field an awful lot. Ill concede that it is possible they scratch the bottom ten. I like the Saints to improve defensively. Breese is determined and focused to get his off back on top and theres no doubt in my mind hes smart/talented/determined enough to do so. More off means defense has to work less and surely the Saints have addressed some of the defensive issues. Definitely envision a defense that wont make my list this yr. Houston is possibly in a similar position as NO but on a much more questionable result in both departments in my opinion. Ill take the believe it when I see it attitude but I will be very keen to observe and take special notes on poss improvement early on.
    What about Indy, Stl, Atl, Ari or Mia? Im not sure but these are a few that have possibilities of allowing a lot of points as well. Does anyone have a good feel for how any of these tms will fare defensively.

    The Dolphins were the 7th ranked defense in the NFL last year, 8th against the pass and 6th against the run.

    They have a bunch of young talent that people don't know anything about. Cameron Wake, Vontae Davis, Sean Smith, Paul Solia, with the likes of Jason Taylor and Karlos Dansby.

    The fins defense is on point, I expect them to be just as good as last year. Just my input, but they certainly have the pieces on D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NattyBumpo:

    Thanks for input fellas. More would b nice.
    I think Im gonna agree with Sea and Minn will probably fit into this list. Not sure I can agree with Wash but they usually have to carry the load by being on the field an awful lot. Ill concede that it is possible they scratch the bottom ten. I like the Saints to improve defensively. Breese is determined and focused to get his off back on top and theres no doubt in my mind hes smart/talented/determined enough to do so. More off means defense has to work less and surely the Saints have addressed some of the defensive issues. Definitely envision a defense that wont make my list this yr. Houston is possibly in a similar position as NO but on a much more questionable result in both departments in my opinion. Ill take the believe it when I see it attitude but I will be very keen to observe and take special notes on poss improvement early on.
    What about Indy, Stl, Atl, Ari or Mia? Im not sure but these are a few that have possibilities of allowing a lot of points as well. Does anyone have a good feel for how any of these tms will fare defensively.

    The Dolphins were the 7th ranked defense in the NFL last year, 8th against the pass and 6th against the run.

    They have a bunch of young talent that people don't know anything about. Cameron Wake, Vontae Davis, Sean Smith, Paul Solia, with the likes of Jason Taylor and Karlos Dansby.

    The fins defense is on point, I expect them to be just as good as last year. Just my input, but they certainly have the pieces on D.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2011 - 1:43 PM ET #15

    THE teams who defense will suck are those who lost thier defesive coordinaortors to another team 1st will be chargers

    2nd because of defesnive players is Cardinals

    Raiders will suck on defense also new coach lost best defesive player to Eagles !

    QB's suck also !

    Redskins no matter who thier QB is have no real spped and a bad O line fade them

     

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    THE teams who defense will suck are those who lost thier defesive coordinaortors to another team 1st will be chargers

    2nd because of defesnive players is Cardinals

    Raiders will suck on defense also new coach lost best defesive player to Eagles !

    QB's suck also !

    Redskins no matter who thier QB is have no real spped and a bad O line fade them

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2011 - 2:12 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by GunShard:

    Bills, Jags and Seahawks for sure.



    not so fast buddy bills have some big boys on that d-line and merriman and barnet as backers and a good secondary. dont count out my boys
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    Quote Originally Posted by GunShard:

    Bills, Jags and Seahawks for sure.



    not so fast buddy bills have some big boys on that d-line and merriman and barnet as backers and a good secondary. dont count out my boys
     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2011 - 2:45 PM ET #17

    Houston with JJ Watts and other additions should not be in the bottom 10 defensively to me.
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    Houston with JJ Watts and other additions should not be in the bottom 10 defensively to me.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2011 - 4:54 PM ET #18

    cinci will certainly be on the list and any other list that involves bad stats
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2011 - 5:06 PM ET #19

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    not so fast buddy bills have some big boys on that d-line and merriman and barnet as backers and a good secondary. dont count out my boys

    You're counting on Shawn Merriman to play a full season?  (cue maniacal laughter).  Bwahaha.  The Bills just cut their 2009 first rounder (11th overall) lost Donte Whitner (you'll say he wasn't that good - but his replacement will be ... worse...).  The Bills are a mediocre team on BOTH sides of the ball.  But you can keep telling us how they'll be very good this year.  Based on your betting history - if you tell me the Bills are going to be good - I'll take the under on their season W/L total.


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    not so fast buddy bills have some big boys on that d-line and merriman and barnet as backers and a good secondary. dont count out my boys

    You're counting on Shawn Merriman to play a full season?  (cue maniacal laughter).  Bwahaha.  The Bills just cut their 2009 first rounder (11th overall) lost Donte Whitner (you'll say he wasn't that good - but his replacement will be ... worse...).  The Bills are a mediocre team on BOTH sides of the ball.  But you can keep telling us how they'll be very good this year.  Based on your betting history - if you tell me the Bills are going to be good - I'll take the under on their season W/L total.


     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2011 - 5:28 PM ET #20

    OAK,ARI,and TENN should be the worst of the worst!!!
    DEN prob will suck
    SEA will suck
    WAS will suck
    CIN and CAR will suck


    MIA has a good D
    MINN will b ok
    BUF has only pass D their run D eats cok. but they added some umph. so they mayb decent
    and
    JAC beefed up a little 

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    OAK,ARI,and TENN should be the worst of the worst!!!
    DEN prob will suck
    SEA will suck
    WAS will suck
    CIN and CAR will suck


    MIA has a good D
    MINN will b ok
    BUF has only pass D their run D eats cok. but they added some umph. so they mayb decent
    and
    JAC beefed up a little 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2011 - 6:17 PM ET #21

    Denver is in trouble on both sides of the ball
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2011 - 10:16 PM ET #22

    I watched the first few series of the Jets/Texans gm very closely to try and see how Texans defense is progressing.
    Although its silly to try and draw conclusions from preseason gms (esp the first game) I thought I saw some positives that could signal hope for improvement.
    Hou secondary did a gd job of coverage down the field. Forcing a lot of checkdowns for short passes. However the Jets did expose the possibility of success against Hou w/the dink and dunk passing attack. The Texans also did a nice job getting to the QB in long yardage passing situations w/blitzs where the Jets appeared lost and confused at trying to (or not trying to) pick them up. Most of the sacks by Hou were mainly uncontested. I expect tms will b a little more savy at picking up the blitzs come reg season but it will give the opposition more to worry about.
    So for what its worth I guess Ill say theres some upside concerning Houstons new defense. Mainly in the secondary. Some concern about a possible soft underbelly but overall a positive first outing in my opinion.
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    I watched the first few series of the Jets/Texans gm very closely to try and see how Texans defense is progressing.
    Although its silly to try and draw conclusions from preseason gms (esp the first game) I thought I saw some positives that could signal hope for improvement.
    Hou secondary did a gd job of coverage down the field. Forcing a lot of checkdowns for short passes. However the Jets did expose the possibility of success against Hou w/the dink and dunk passing attack. The Texans also did a nice job getting to the QB in long yardage passing situations w/blitzs where the Jets appeared lost and confused at trying to (or not trying to) pick them up. Most of the sacks by Hou were mainly uncontested. I expect tms will b a little more savy at picking up the blitzs come reg season but it will give the opposition more to worry about.
    So for what its worth I guess Ill say theres some upside concerning Houstons new defense. Mainly in the secondary. Some concern about a possible soft underbelly but overall a positive first outing in my opinion.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2011 - 10:22 PM ET #23

    Eightypercent....I must concede that I have no real basis to believe Mia might b a bottom feeder on defense. I threw those tms out there hoping for feedback w/out really investigating. Im glad u responded with some gd/informative feedback. Thats the stuff Im looking for!
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    Eightypercent....I must concede that I have no real basis to believe Mia might b a bottom feeder on defense. I threw those tms out there hoping for feedback w/out really investigating. Im glad u responded with some gd/informative feedback. Thats the stuff Im looking for!
     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2011 - 11:02 PM ET #24

    So far we have a 100% consensus that Denver will b terrible on defense. Nobody disagreeing (so far) that sea will suck. Most feel that Jax will continue to b a defensive sieve.
    Some strong arguments for Buff, Hou and Minny to pull out of the bottom 10.
    Who will b the tms to replace them? Who are the tms that were very or moderately successful on defense that will fill the vacancies in the "10 worst defenses in the NFL".
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    So far we have a 100% consensus that Denver will b terrible on defense. Nobody disagreeing (so far) that sea will suck. Most feel that Jax will continue to b a defensive sieve.
    Some strong arguments for Buff, Hou and Minny to pull out of the bottom 10.
    Who will b the tms to replace them? Who are the tms that were very or moderately successful on defense that will fill the vacancies in the "10 worst defenses in the NFL".
     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 16, 2011 - 11:22 PM ET #25

    These 5 FOR SURE will be bottom 10..

     

    Denver

    AZ

    SEA

    BUFF(vs run)

    JAX

     

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